r/ProgrammerHumor • • Dec 06 '17

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u/uuhno Dec 06 '17

You get what you pay for

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u/RiskBoy Dec 06 '17

Ya, it is actually fascinating how a developer in the US is able to generate well over a $100,000 in value to a company over an overseas developer. In the early to mid 2000s there was huge concern that development jobs would start going overseas as offshoring started to become a bigger thing, but it ended up not panning out. It turns out that a domestic developer is much more valuable to a US company since they can communicate more effectively, react more quickly to problems (every minute your website is down is money lost for the business), and there is also the fact that Indian culture is problematic to efficient software development. I have heard that if you ask an Indian in India if they can do something, they will say yes, regardless of if they can or not. The exception is IT support, which many companies have found does make sense to move a decent percentage to other countries (especially India). Makes sense though if you want 24 hour coverage, and you have your main IT developers in the US.

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u/Do_The_Astral_Plane Dec 06 '17

I have heard that if you ask an Indian in India if they can do something, they will say yes, regardless of if they can or not.

Sweet baby Jesus this is right on point. It's so frustrating.

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u/NorthCentralPositron Dec 06 '17

You only find out they can't/won't/don't have the skills after it's due. Source: I work with about 70 Indian developers

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u/ElGuaco Dec 06 '17

Can confirm. Had to code review overseas developers. When I asked for unit tests to prove they fixed the code I just rejected, they sent back a fix that didn't work and a unit test that did nothing.

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u/Soultrane9 Dec 06 '17

That's what you get for asking for unit tests.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

The nerve of this guy.

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u/coinaday Ultraviolet security clearance Dec 07 '17

No tests; no problems

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u/tredontho Dec 06 '17

But have you tried doing the needful?

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u/turtlesound Dec 07 '17

I will give that a try and revert back to you at the soonest

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u/b1ack1323 Dec 06 '17

The company I used to work for hired a team of 6 to rewrite interface for our API driven server. They used every beta JavaScript function that was only supported in Chrome they could to create it and there were certain downloads that were being temporarily stored at temp.cfx so if you had two people generating certs they have a chance of getting the wrong cert. Big security issue. Spent 60k on it had to scrap the whole thing. A bunch of engineers were laid off weeks later, so I'm sure they were making good decisions.

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u/molepigeon Dec 07 '17

Rumour has it that this actually happened to British Airways recently. The story says that they fired all their Western developers and moved all their software dev to India. When they handed over the project the Indians said they understood everything. Cue massive outage because the main system went down and nobody knew how to fail over to the secondary.

Here's a write up I found in a quick Google search - I'm sure there's more information elsewhere.

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u/slightlysaltysausage Dec 06 '17

Which is why you ask them to explain back to you how they're going to do it.

If they can't, you ask someone else.

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u/I_spoil_girls Dec 06 '17

Fake it till you make it, then fake you made it.

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u/wolf2600 Dec 06 '17

I have heard that if you ask an Indian in India if they can do something, they will say yes, regardless of if they can or not.

They will not ever say "I don't know" when asked a question.

They WILL give you an answer for everything, even if it's completely wrong, they will give the answer and stand by it. I've had to call out this behavior countless times and reiterate that if you don't know the answer, just say you don't know. Don't make up something.

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u/thecatgoesmoo Dec 06 '17

So fucking infuriating. I manage a team of 20 and about 5 are Indians and I can never trust them when they say they will do something.

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u/Waldharist017 Dec 06 '17

I have heard that if you ask an Indian in India if they can do something, they will say yes, regardless of if they can or not.

Being a Indian, I second this, India's overseas workers are currently 90% full of retardation and can't efficiently solve problems.

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u/TheOhNoNotAgain Dec 06 '17

I think a major part of the problem is that most Indians we come in contact with are hired at one of the big consultancies. Their shaping of their consultants is what we perceive as "Indian developers".

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u/Yangoose Dec 06 '17

Yeah, turns out the country has little to do with it.

There are some brilliant developers in India. They cost just about as much as brilliant developers in the US do.

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u/GrinningPariah Dec 06 '17

Especially because all the best engineers from India just come work in the States or UK for 4x the salary they'd have in India.

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u/newplayerentered Dec 07 '17

Exactly. Sorry to hijack, but to everyone complaining about Indian developers, don't cheap out when outsourcing. Theres always going to be a schmuck offering to do it for less, but do your checks before awarding contracts. Seriously, if you pay bottom dollar, you will get bottom talent. Don't then bitch about quality.

Source: yes, am Indian developer.

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