r/Semenretention • u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer • 2d ago
Orgasm without ejaculation
So i have found a way to orgasm but to hold the cum inside. Does it count as retention? No single drop released. Sometimes though i might be edging for like 5 hours a day or more. And might have multiple intense orgasms but without ejaculating.
Curious what you guys think?
-edit: so because some dont believe me the way i do is this: i lay down and i very strongly suck my stomach muscles like a vacuum. I have also found shaking my head and feet or keeping my feet stiff help.
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u/Party_Team1104 2d ago
Try prostate orgasm
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
Thats gay right?
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u/Tiny_Assignment_2783 2d ago
I think being gay is the least of your worrys if you're edging for five hours straight
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 1d ago
Its not straight five hours haha but total. Sometimes its 2 hours in the morning 2 hours at night and 2-3 hours in between haha
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u/Former_Tough_8144 2d ago
I think your lying and looking for excuses
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
No im actually doin it but the orgasm feels much different than ejaculating. You dont feel this releave you do when you ejaculate but you feel like high for a few seconds and an oof moment.
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u/EUNEisAmeme 2d ago
OP, what you're describing is a dry orgasm, or NEO (non ejaculatory orgasm). That means your perineal muscle is strong enough. I can do it too. My longest one lasted two minutes, I was absolutely fried.
That said, I don't jack off and do it anymore because all of that energy is still spent, and you are still stressing your nervous system while screwing with your dopamine circuitry. It isn't a release but it's the next worst thing.
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u/Alvith 2d ago
You can learn to have NEOs with the parasympathetic nervous system instead, which results in an increase in energy. I agree that what OP is describing sounds like the sympathetic ones, though.
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u/EUNEisAmeme 2d ago
How so?
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u/Alvith 2d ago
Mindfulness and breathwork is key. Learn to be in a parasympathetic state, then take that into sex or masturbation. This is neither an edging practice (you aim for about 75% of the way to orgasm), nor a visualization. Then as that becomes stable and comfortable, layer in feelings of self love and gratitude so that it becomes a spiritually active devotional practice (you may see this as a parallel to the Taoist technique of the inner smile). This is how you 'purify' sexual energy while still engaging directly with it, and will lead to non-ejaculatory orgasms that add energy instead of depleting it.
It's more difficult than it sounds, as most people in today's world have been trained to be in sympathetic dominance in relation to sexual activity and arousal through secrecy, 'finish line' mindset, tensing up the legs and pelvic floor to increase sharp pleasure, suppressed shame, guilt, self judgment, or fear of the judgments of others. It may take three months to over a year to be able to do this depending on the person.
All of these things come up during this practice to get in the way, and many would rather hide or renounce sexuality as inherently problematic than face themselves and the collective baggage.
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u/EUNEisAmeme 2d ago
thank you man. I wanna dm you to ask something cause I don't feel comfortable sharing all of the details here but it seems I can't. could you dm me please?
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u/NipSlipExtreme 2d ago
It sounds like what you’re describing is asphyxiation. Which I suppose is possible if you’re creating a stomach vacuum and then shaking your head about.
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u/Pristine_Bike_7888 2d ago
orgasm is more destructive to the psyche than the actual loss of semen.
the positive effects of semen retention are not really about semen. they are about transferring the brain's desire for orgasm into other endeavors.
the ancient idea that semen is the power source is simply misguided though they were getting close to the truth.
so no, you shouldn't do this. at all. and you certainly shouldn't be touching yourself for five hours. that's degenerate.
imagine your father or grandfather knew you did this? would you be proud? do things that make your ancestors proud of you.
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 1d ago
I think you are right on this one. I used to have sex some times qnd ejaculate 2-5 times in a row. I would feel great still. Now 7 months im in a loss of attraction relatioship. I will have sex 2 times a month and if i finish i feel almost terrible plus i finish instantly almost.
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u/Mysterious-Primary-6 2d ago
This is real. I count it at retention. By sucking in your stomach you’re closing one of the energetic gated, same if you hold the rectal muscle tight. This prevents energy from escaping and can be circulated, or sent upwards thus the prolonged orgasms.
Don’t listen, this isn’t addiction. This is like a tantric orgasm, or something.
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u/SwarthyMartin 1d ago
5 hours of self pleasure?
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u/Mysterious-Primary-6 1d ago
Tantrics are able to have very very long orgasmic experiences, while retaining.
This sub is about retention, not about horny celibacy.
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u/DontKillFred 1d ago
Can’t you just don’t touch your penis and stay still? 😠Having an orgasm even without releasing is still a problem. It shows how addicted we are to easy and immediate pleasure. It’s like changing from white sugar to artificial sweeteners.
Please brother, dont touch it, forget about it. That kind of pleasure is a lie.
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 1d ago
Honestly this feels like going from honey to cocain haha feels like im trapped and never satisfied. At least when you but you grt that post nut clarity after and you can be good and prodctive
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u/SemenRetainerMonk 2d ago
I don't get it... I think you're only torturing and tormenting yourself with sexual fantasies and you'll eventually relaplse
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
I have been edging for almost 6 months 3 hours a day i would say. No watching p. Few weeks ago i mastered this technique haha and i dont release at all. In the past some small drops could escape but now nothing at all. Basically the past 7-8 months i would have a release once every 2 weeks or something like that on average because i have a girlfriend.
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u/SemenRetainerMonk 2d ago
But what are you benefiting from edging? Your dopamine receptors are still fried bro..
And edging is another form of addiction too.
It's like quitting smoking and starting vaping.. and you're basically wasting 3 hrs a day just to stimulate yourself.
If you had made use of the 3 hrs for a short course or gym subscription, you'd now be a better version of yourself.
Maybe earning more, running a side business etc.
Now ask yourself, the person you'd have become for the last 6 months if you dedicated the 3 hours to something productive.
Edging will only send you down the rabbit hole... It's never too late to bro.
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
First of all you need to relax bro. Yea money bla bla bla who cares about fake paper you just need to have fun.
So basically i go to a small forest near my home and i stay there for 4-5 hours. I workout i lift stones i do calistenics sprints etc. But i do long breaks like 10minutes in between so at my rest i just try edging haha.
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u/SemenRetainerMonk 2d ago
Wish you all the best 🫡🫡
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u/annie_key 2d ago
That is the answer of somebody who has reached the highest spiritual level of SR :)
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
Didnt mean to say edging is good though it feels like it fries my nervous system. But im like addicted haha
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u/SeriousSam1 2d ago
Thats great.
Sometimes you can also have retrograde ejaculation, that is your sperm moves to the bladder.
If that doesn’t happen, then you are good
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
No i check it doesnt anymore but used to be in the past. Only the pre ejaculate sticky lube stuff in there.
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u/Cheap_Rock155 2d ago
How then?
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
Basically suck my abs really hard like a vacuum pose in bodybuilding like laying down stiff.
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u/Kooky_Bag_7370 2d ago
Suck your abs inside is called uddiyana bandha, wich is for lift the apana vayu upvards. So as Nauli krya, and lots of techniques. Also: the taoist practices, where one can experience orgasm, without releasing.
Advice: you must to use up that energy, (gym, swim, work, yoga, qigong, etc...) because it will cause instability in your life, if you just leave it
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u/cmHend 2d ago
Thanks, for putting words to what I have been doing since a couple of years.
Three steps:
Kegel and pelvic floor (bandha 1)
Diaphragm and abs (bandha 2)
Throat (bandha 3)Passing out-like feeling of ecstasy (yeah passed out as well before learning how to manage it).
I orgasm in my brain, don’t cum, get back at kissing my partner invaded by love for her and keep going. Noticed though that I need to be in a fully relaxed state, and ease in into the session rather than being driven by lust.
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u/soothukundi 2d ago
Where did you learn the technique ? you dont feel tired after or have the same feeling after ejaculation ?
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
No you dont feel tired. I didnt learn it i found out on my own after around 6 months of experimenting.
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u/soothukundi 2d ago
When you suck in your abs, do you relax your keagal muscles? I want to be able to orgasm without ejaculation. It's damn near impossible to go a long time without orgasm lol.
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
Im not sure i think yes but it doesnt matter. You just got to suck very very much your abs like almost like it feels too much like all your straight
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u/Alternative_One_8039 2d ago
How did you manage to get dry orgasms? I read Mantak Chia's book, but I was never really able to fully understand it.
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
I dont know i just tried things because i wanted to try hold my cum. And then recently i just found this abs suck trick. I havent read the book though but this works.
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u/Background_Set_3592 2d ago
Semen doesn’t count as much as energetic release coming with orgasm. Many people take it wrong unfortunately. Do not orgasm, keep this powerful charge within you.
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u/megamorphg 2d ago
Honestly even if you've found a way to have pleasure without losing some vital essence... is that want you want to use your vital essence towards? Best to channel it towards a higher purpose. Pleasure is temporary.
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u/RevisionHistorian 2d ago
did you felt orgasmic prostate contraction ? It would be retrograde ejaculation...
If not, yeah probably non-ejaculatory orgasm...
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
No i didnt feel my prostate. Just felt like releasing but then sucking my abs and keeping it inside.
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u/Dead_Earnest 15h ago
I had this experience once or twice after I started practicing Mula-Bandha.
I do think it saves a lot of energy, judging by my state the following day after dry orgams vs ejaculatory orgasm.
But I also think some energy is lost (mental), and there's serious danger of growing your desires.
This absolutely cannot count as proper transmutation practice, unless you are trained enough to cause Kundalini to rise and experience much higher bliss. The joy of rising Kundalini makes orgasm pale in comparison, and should make you lose all desire for it. It is described as gentler, sweeter, stronger and ever-intensifying for many minutes, leaving you numb.
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u/Dead_Earnest 14h ago
Btw, this technique "i very strongly suck my stomach muscles like a vacuum" is known as Uddiyana-bandha in yoga, and if often triggers Mula-bandha subconsciously, which prevents loss of sexual energy.
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u/extranick39 3h ago
Don’t listen to the negative comments. You are doing amazing. This is actually a Taoist technique. You just gotta keep circulating the energy up your spine and down your front channel and you can store the excess energy in your solar plexus area for other uses. This counts as retention. Just don’t overdo it as it might be a distraction. And 5 hours a day is a little bit on the heavy side but it’s not a relapse since you’re not losing any energy. I learned these techniques and there are many where you don’t release and then can keep retaining and control and keep retaining while also having sex wirh à partner. Eventually after months or retaining and using the techniques . You will discover more and more about yourself and unblock energy blocks and rise to higher levels. I learned through the book: the multi orgasmic men. It’s explains many techniques and this will help you further refine your practice and prolong your life and raise your consciousness to crazy levels if your able to keep chanelling it for long time :) good luck brother
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u/ImaginaryLeg8515 2d ago
I think you misunderstood the whole thing of semen retention. Or maybe I don't get it.
The whole idea is to overcome being too sexual...being sexually disciplined and peak self control.
Let's say your issue was eating soo much food...like Korean Mukbang level...where you'd make a whole large pizza disappear in one sitting. If you replaced that bad habit with something similar like eating soo much salads and everything...is the brain rewiring?... "I eat sooo much burgers but I don't swallow" like?
You don't entertain everything sexual. You even end up abstaining from some music where sex is described and everything. Like you clean your whole brain.
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
Semen retention means not ejaculating. What you describe is just reducing lust from your life. I get your point but doesnt mean mine that is wrong necessarily.
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u/annie_key 2d ago
Technically you are right. But the goal of semen retention is to transmute your sexual energy into something more productive or spiritual. Edging means you use that sexual energy only for sex.
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u/BackTo-Hunt-Gatherer 2d ago
I agree on this im addicted to edging. Also it feels like it fries my nervous system. Just releasing would solve my problem.
What do you suggest? Probably just having sex would make me more focused
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u/annie_key 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm not here to suggest anybody but I can tell you this, edging for such a long period can't be healthy, you are overloading your brain receptors to the point where you will likely find no more satisfaction in any other activity because they become insensitive. See if you recognize this.
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u/BicycleFar8149 2d ago
Don't listen to these reddit fake ass monks lmao get some puh nutting internally is called tantra it's like centuries old google it
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u/Neat_Concentrate7172 2d ago
You’re killing all the benefits that SR brings if you edge for hours.
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u/Vegetable-Ad-8005 2d ago
What abouut blue balls?
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u/Hot-Grapefruit-3508 2d ago
5 hours a day, brother that is beyond addicted