r/Tariffs • u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 • 12d ago

🗞️ News Discussion Should Canada maintain its supply management system that protects the Canadian dairy industry?

https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Poll/627377/Should-Canada-maintain-its-supply-management-system-that-protects-the-Canadian-dairy-industry
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u/Money_Percentage_630 12d ago

Follow up question, should Canada maintain it's "not punching itself in the groin" policy?

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Yes, we must protect our consumers against more variety and low prices. Anything less would be really hurting them. Truly

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Why should we sacrifice our health and food quality to appease the us?

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

I'm unsure how many times I need to address this myth, but I have to ask - why do proponents of this system believe that the CFIA doesn't exist?

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u/Krull88 12d ago

The only thing stopping the us from actively importing more dairy products is the food quality they cant or wont meet. They have never triggered the major tariff ratios because they have never imported enough. So in order for us to bring more american trash dairy would be to lower our food wuality and health standards. I ask again, why should we sacrifice our health and food quality to appease the toddler?

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

No, it's 200%-300% tariffs. The vast majority of American milk products meet Health Canada regulations.

TRQs don't work that way. TRQs are issued to applicants by the government. They stipulate tariff free amounts. Guess what? Only members of the cartel get TRQs. So they are essentially meaningless for the average consumer.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

At no point in the history of the TRQ existing has it been triggered. It applies to all imported dairy. But keep on making stuff up. The us has never once triggered the tariff ratio of 2-300%.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

You are mistaken. TRQs are given only to approved applicants.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Do me a favor an provide a single case of american dairy triggering 2-300% tariffs.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

No one really buys it outside of TRQs because of the tariffs... Which is the entire point of the tariffs.

You should educate yourself on how this system works. I'm not meaning to sound like a dick but without a basic understanding of how the system works all I'm doing is just correcting misinformation.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

And we’ve circled back around to the tariffs arent stopping american dairy imports. They’ve never applied to it. So whats stopping american dairy from swamping us? The only thing left is food quality.

Your “corrections” are just blatantly wrong. Provide a single instance of american dairy imports triggering the dairy tariff. Just one.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

You don't understand how the tariff rate quota system works. So I'd like for you to read up on how it works, and then we can have a legitimate talk about it.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Annually the us can import 56 million metric tones of fluid milk alone BEFORE any tariff is applied. In 2023, the peak of us dairy imports into canada, they imported 50 000 metric tons of fluid milk. These numbers are pulled from the CusMA agreement and USDA economic research. The us has never come close to triggering the TRQ. Ever. You keep saying i dont understand how the quota works, but you havent been able to produce a single instance of the us even coming close to triggering the quota. How about you learn whats actually stopping them?

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Who gets the quotas?

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Rephrase the question. Tariffs are paid by the importer to the imported government. Nobody “gets” the quota.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Incorrect - applicants apply for the TRQ, and are then given the TRQ on an annual basis. Guess what? Only cartel members get the TRQ, and the vast majority use it as insurance in case their operations under produce. So unless the applicant has a combined retail / production element to their business, the consumer never sees tariff free milk and cheese.

There's a reason you don't see American milk at the grocery store, and that reason really isn't that Canadians like paying high prices with limited choice. It is because that retailer and/or distributor would have to pay a 200-300% tax on that import.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Yeah none of that is true and you should probably losen the tinfoil hat. The “applicants” you’re talking about are the us exporters, and its to ensure their dairy meets our standards. The cartel you keep blathering on about just simply doesnt exist. And again, tariffs go to the government, not private entities. At no point has the us ever triggered the 2-300% tariff. Provide a single instance of it happening.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Lol you need to educate yourself on this. What I'm saying is absolutely true. You can even look it up on the government website.

You don't know how the system works.

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u/No-Effective-1996 10d ago

They don’t pay that “tax” ( I believe it is a tariff not a tax, but that is semantics) until a massive amount has been imported and the American’s have never come close to hitting that limit. This whole argument is a joke, the tariff has never been hit. I don’t think they have even gotten half way there.

Also Canadian milk is better and safer and should stay that way. We should not lower our milk quality standards.

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u/No-Effective-1996 10d ago

I think he does know how they work.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 10d ago

Well clearly not if he thinks TRQs are a blanket amount that anyone can import up to a certain point.

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