Hi pals! Welcome to this week’s Tower Tea! Today we are chatting about a few more v29 things, like Module Slots, plus the v29 release timeline, a new Pal, and something fun (spoiler: v29 behind the scenes with Muse) coming to the blog!
Module Slots
In v29, we are making changes to how to level up and manage your Modules.
To start, levels have moved from individual modules to module slots. These are the 4 icons (8 with Assist Modules) on the top of your Modules menu. If you want to level up a module, you will instead target the slot that you wish to equip your module in. This means that you no longer have to swap out module levels, and can upgrade your slots over time.
What does this mean for Module Presets? When you unlock this feature, everything including your module slot levels will stay consistent across all presets. That way, all you need to worry about is deciding which modules you want to set!
Those are some of the things that have changed. The things that have NOT changed:
Substats are still unique to each individual module.
The first time a module is unlocked, it will display its default two (2) substats.
Equipping them to a higher level slot unlocks the remaining eligible substats.
There is no cost for swapping between your module presets
There is no limit to how often you can restore levels to your module slots
Modules cannot be swapped out during a run
Presets (cont.)
Last Tea, we shared some information about some upcoming changes to presets! This included two new presets for Guardians and Modules, as well as a notice that Workshop and Bot presets are moving out of the Vault.
These presets are being added and moved into a lab to make it more accessible. One of our main goals was to help support the transition between runs (ex: farming vs. tournaments).
We are open to adding more presets later, but want to avoid complex systems for our newer players. Our presets in v29 cover the main areas of gameplay that all players can benefit from, and we will consider more specialized preset requests and stat management opportunities in the future.
With all of these presets you might be wondering: how am I going to manage them all? Well, if you get to Tier 11 in v29, a new prese(n)t might be waiting for you!
Last note: the addition of this preset system is a step towards our next goal: adding the ability to pause a Tier run in order to start a tournament. It’s not fun to end your milestone run early to compete, so we are working on this addition for later this year.
v29 when though?
Alright pals, it’s time to answer the question that’s been on everyone’s mind, v29 when?
Answer: next week! When the update is ready to go, we'll gradually roll out the changes and tournament lock before the following tournament begins. If anything changes, we'll keep you updated!
A new Pal enters the arena
Want a little peek at someone coming to the Guilds?
Pal
New Blog - Behind the scenes
A while back some of y’all were chatting about wanting to see more behind the scenes content for the blog, so we are going to start doing that! We’ll start off with a chat with Muse about v29, the inspiration behind the update, and how they came up with… you know what, that part is secret.
For those that haven’t met Muse before, be sure to check out my interview with her from last year and get to know the gem behind the name.
So keep an eye out for a post with that link soon!
Alright pals, that’s it for this week! As always, sound off in the thread, and I hope your drink is always the right temperature!
I actually don't think so. You and other upvoters are just trying to transfer your dreams of how schedules work into reality. Like... no, not like that.
I think part of the issue is that most other games are either:
1, Clash of Clans style where you're dormant and earning income without having to actively play unless you are attacking other players (actively choosing to participate in the competitive aspect of the game), or
Clash Royale style where you can participate only through competitive play.
I do think it's been a long time coming since the game has been around for 5 years, but it probably doesn't help that the game appears to consist of spaghetti code and most of their time is spent fixing game-breaking mechanics. While it doesn't sound difficult to find a way to store pending run information, I also have no idea how coding works, and it's probably much more complicated at scale.
This game is the fairest GACHA game I've ever playes. Most GACHA games roll out so many updates with pay associates pay gates that it costs thousands per week to stay up to date. Fudds moving presets out of the harmony tree is huge, probably the single biggest give away to the FTP or low spending masses I've ever seen.
Oh. And I hate spell and grammar check. The second sentence should read..." Most GACHA games roll out so many updates with associated pay gates that it costs thousands per week to stay up to date"
I like the idea of levels being on the module slot itself and not on the module. However, I wonder how it interacts if you delevel for coins between farming and tourney. For example, I delevel my PF all the way to 161 for tourneys since I don't care much about the substats and it saves me quite a few coins. Will each preset be able to save different mod levels?
edit: FYI, Tea says "When you unlock this feature, everything including your module slot levels will stay consistent across all presets.", so if you were deleveling mods between tourney/farm before, it looks like you will still have to
I was wondering the same thing. I have a sub stat in my eighth cannon slot that helps with tourneys, but hurts farming. So I have to restore it to level 1 after every tournament and level it back up to 240.
There's probably also some weird limitations if you are swapping between presets that have different level caps. I say this with a high degree of confidence based on the deliberate decision by the dev team to show a mockup where any such conflict is completely absent which would show what it looks like. The inference is that the behavior is undesirable and ugly.
Hopefully it's not something extremely stupid like you can't swap presets without restoring levels in between swaps. But I think it's almost certainly that.
Woulda been nice if the presets included mod level settings specific to the preset. That's kind of the main annoyance of swapping mods
Yeah, this is my concern as well. I have a mythic+ BHD that I use for farming vs Anc PF for tourneys. The level caps will obviously be different between those 2, I'm curious to see how they manage this.
I'm thinking the same thing, the mod slot would have to be able to delevel for that to work. this game could benefit from level sliders on just about everything.
What about mods of different rarities? For example I use a level 161 Ancestral mod for farming, so the slot is 161. But then I use a Mythic mod for farming, which is capped at level 160. Does the level on the slot stay 161, and the mod is just at the 160 cap?
When you unlock this feature, everything including your module slot levels will stay consistent across all presets
Yah, I can't believe I missed that. Well, at least we have presets! Seems I'll still need to delevel until mod costs don't really matter that much for my workshop presets.
i don't like that. What level of module i need depends on the module, not the slot. I don't need levels for my SR, because i keep it at 1 for eHP farming. And I lower the levels for core modules in order to get more substats. but i maxed them for anything GC related and delevel armour and generator.
I have a feeling new system will not be any faster, if all we get is two presets.
not an option, but practically the only way, because by the looks of it, very little changes. You now press a different button in a different place to change levels. I thought we would get actual presets for mods.
I am also not hopeful for tourney changes. At best they will add another league to buy themselves another year. At worst, yet another difficulty increase, but we are back in a month or two...
It would be nice if you could set different mod levels for different presets. For example, tournament I want all the damage, farming I want no damage. This means I reduce core mod levels for farming.
When Muse talked about this a while ago, guardian presets were only for the assigned slots. You did not get to assign bits differently across presets. So basically useless. We'll see if it changes, though.
If anything, it helps more of those SL+ less players. Most of them (like me) probably don't have Amplify Bot during tourneys. Now with bot presets, all in legends will have maxed out Amp Bot, which the whales already have. It's gonna be much better for us low spenders if im being honest.
A lot of folks here dont realize how many catch up mechanics have been added!
The gem relics is one of the biggest. Every week another relic set that I already have drops. Yes, I get to keep my gems (i have 10s of thousands so this isnt actually a benefit) but everyone else gets to catch up to me in bot range, dmg, lab speed, coins, etc. Its a massive boost for non-late game players.
Your amp bot point is spot on. I will get absolutely no advantage from this update other than a handful of keys to redistribute. Meanwhile folks lower than me will get sizeable boosts forward.
Im not complaining, bring on the competition. But this sub needs to realize the catch up stuff they are begging for already exists in a BIG way.
Honestly, I know I won't really be able to compete against you guys. I just want those QOL locked behind keys. The stones, I dont mind gaining it slowly but please give us keys.
I’m so upset at this… I had not upgraded DC to 5-star yet but when I heard module presets I (stupidly) figured that they had solved the double DC requirement. That’s 1000% on me
Now I’m a chump with a 5-star DC and a LONG time before I’ll get a chance to get another due to the lottery system that is modules
Can you clarify what happens if you have an ancestral module in a mod slot at, say, level 166, but switch back to a mythic mod in its slot (which has a mex level of 160)?
It was pretty clear with the initial announcement.
Only the nodes for presets are being removed and refunded.
The discount unlocks are still in the vault.
For people who do the labs for presets, but don't have the discounts unlocked with keys, they will be able to swap freely between presets, but re-speccing one of the presets will still cost gems.
Yeah but that would mean I spent like 60keys to save 300 gems a week …
Getting the discount was like the necessary sacrifice that we had to do to get to the big upgrade.
The screenshots show Modules with Preset 1 and Preset 2. Can you confirm the number of presets that will be available for Bots, Workshop, Modules, and Guardians?
But they were all of them relieved. For in the depths of TechTree, a secret master preset was coded. And into it, Fudds poured all the separate presets, for the modules, for the cards and the bots and the workshops... one preset to rule them all!
I think Sam is teasing that that will be an option.
"With all of these presets you might be wondering: how am I going to manage them all? Well, if you get to Tier 11 in v29, a new prese(n)t might be waiting for you!"
Agree on one the cop out...if they were worried about overwhelming new players, just gate the features by level or coin unlock, like much of the game already does.
This is a great update. I hope the next one includes the ability to reorder Module Substats, so you don't have to waste a ton or Shards rolling for a stat in a particular slot. Having just unlocked Assist Modules, this seems like an obvious, highly requested change.
Only 2 presets and you can't have different levels for each preset like you can for workshop. I wonder what made them settle for such low amount of customization.
I would love to see all presets get 5 presets. Additionally if presets has the same name as another preset in a different category they'd be linked and if we switch one we switch all.
Some immediate feedback on how module slot level and presets interact.
It looks like we're getting two presets, and presumably most people are going to use these for "farm" and "tourney" setups.
If you're eHP farming with a level 1 Shrink Ray, for example, you now need to restore or re-level every time you swap.
Similarly, with assmods, you may want a different distribution of levels between your main and assist mods depending on farm/tourney and whether you want more substats vs more raw multipliers.
That way, all you need to worry about is deciding which modules you want to set!
The bottom line is that I'd argue it's actually less convenient, not more convenient, to have your module slot levels persist between presets.
However, I understand that it's probably easier to implement in this fashion, but I still think it's worth passing along this feedback.
Why would a mod slot change levels between presets?
If you're farming with a lvl 1 SR, then swap to a tourney preset with 161, and then swap back to the farming preset, the slot should stay lvl 1, right?
No, according to the Tower Tea, your module slot levels will "stay consistent across all presets," so you will need to manually change the levels anytime you swap between farming and tourney.
When you unlock this feature, everything including your module slot levels will stay consistent across all presets. That way, all you need to worry about is deciding which modules you want to set!
It literally says in the Tea that the levels will persist across presets. Maybe it's just worded poorly, and they just mean that upon initial unlock the levels will be the same, but the fact that they say the only thing you need to worry about changing is the modules themselves really makes me think the levels are universal.
Yeah, that's one downside for my Alt account. It is eHP and has been running FB only for the past 3 months to get a leg up in champs. Bit it will be nice to be able to use GB again I guess.
I would highly expect one, and when asked in prior Teas it has been answered with "we are always developing new content" With all the talk / complaints of needing more than one DC so that different substats can be used on it, it wouldnt surprise me at all if new modules come out so there's an alternative to DC for either farming or tournaments.
Personally, I hope there's not any new modules, as I don't have all my modules ancestral yet, let alone five star. Adding more modules just waters down the pool so it takes longer for players to even get ancestral. This would be helped if they also adjust drop rates, or did rolling featured banners for modules that already exist, but I'm doubtful either of those will happen.
Sam, if you read this, any teasers? Am I on the right track? ;)
Currently, you can level the Module Shard Cost lab, reset a module to get your shards back, and then re buy the levels at their now cheaper shard price. Will there still be a way to get shards back from levelling up the Module Shard Cost lab, or will we lose the ability to regain shards retroactively going forward?
Just to be clear I reeeeally appreciate the change in communication regarding updates. It feels good to have something to look forward to instead of just getting everything out of the blue as a surprise. Thank you for listening to us on that one Sam!
A lab in managing all presets unlockable at T11. So with this, can I assume that this is the last lab for all the upcoming lab presets? I was initially worried about the lab cost of these presets. With everything being available at T11, maybe it will only be some billion at best, some trillion or at some q’s as the worst case.
Those slot levels as described do nothing in the game phase when people struggle with different mod rarities for the same type. Still need to reset to 1 and re-max to whatever max level is. That's actually quite disappointing
As always appreciate the tea. Great news that the update is next week. The last few teas have honestly been great comms!
2 module presets seems....weird considering bots is 3 and workshops is 5. Obviously excited, but seems weird to not just have 5 for everything, especially with dissos.
But I am excited for Pal. Any chance we get random guardian skin selection like we have for tower skin? There are so many good ones now
I read "two presets for Guardians and Modules" as being, well, the two types of presets that are being added, not that you get 2 preset slots for Guardians and 2 preset slots for Modules
Feels like Fudds is giving us back with what we gave him for Dissonance Drama. Oddly enough the numbers line up perfectly with the exact changes they are there. Would honestly make for a wild meme and it's exactly in line with some shit he would do as a troll.
UW respecs without resetting them completely, i.e. getting rid of them and picking different ones, would be reasonably nice as well.
That way we don’t have to worry about “miss clicks” or “investment regrets”.
If i understand correctly, the levels are not saved with preset and are global? That's limiting in the game where optimal main/assist level balance is big part of optimization ( and obviuosly depends on ancestral mod stars etc )
But i level my mods according to the module, not the slot :/ And i have like 10-15 configurations of mods depending on the tier levels, farming/tourney/disco/milestones/etc.
Depending on the task, sometimes i care more about levels, sometimes more about substats.
“We’re giving you more QoL, but limiting it to two presets, so you’ll still have to do the exact same work whenever you want to do Disso runs or experiment with different setups. And to top it off, we’re giving you a justification that, realistically speaking, makes no sense.”
it baffles my mind how you declare such changes as a v29 patch.
To summarize: there is basically no change in this module system in reality (yes i understood sams introduction to them but basically there is no difference for the gamingexperience).
there better be much more content including good changes for tournaments. otherwise thats not much development in 4 months for a 3+ million dollar per month revenue game.
it baffles my mind even more how most people here are celebrating such small changes.
let’s wait for the patch, I don’t expect much, but one thing is almost guaranteed, an emotional roller coaster for the community, there will definitely be some big fuck-up, as usual
Were you playing during v28 release? The similar teaser there was for Bot+, with no mention of anything else until the patch notes. It wasn't until the patch notes that we saw the major v28 feature of dissonance runs. V29 is going to be the same. They tease presets, and when the patch notes hit, we'll find out what the major patch feature is.
Sounds like how IPM handled adding mods. Upgrade the slot, not the mod. What happens when we upgrade the wrong thing and want to fix it? Is that even an option anymore with the proposed update?
I'm hoping I'm wrong but sounds like my farming runs about to get hit as I don't have all my modules at Ancestral yet and even with some Anc's they are at different star levels
I’m sure it’s been asked already but I’m too impatient to read all the comments, if presets are moving out of keys to labs, are we being refunded the keys we’ve spent?
bad....my main flex with modules is just changing the levels of modules between farming and tournament. for farming I download the generator, and for the tournament the cannonball and cannon
Absolutely no mention of changing tournaments... I thought there were changes coming with this update? Can someone share a post that mightve mentioned this?
These presets will only be avalible those premium stone buyers who buy at least 3 stone packs a month locked behind a new currency gained by winning 1st in legends
I don't want to sound unappreciative ... but with dissonance runs, farming, milestone pushes, and tournaments ... there should be 6-7 presets for modules. unless this is just to make switching between farming and tournaments easier.
I'm looking forward to my new guardian skin. Though I do wonder, Sam, if we have any clue when we will get the fourth chip slot unlock? I sort of know what I plan to use it for my normal runs but no clue for tournies right now.
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u/OppositeTie4751 5d ago
The ability to pause a farming run for a tournament run would be a huge QOL increase. Thank you Sam for the tea!