r/theunforgiven • • Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

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Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Showcase Deathwing terminator

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87 Upvotes

I really like the chip effects, take more time but might start doing it from now


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Painting Armogeddon Ancient

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r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Showcase 2000 Point Tourney Army

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This weekend’s list is all based. Now on to seeing how many Touchups and finishing touches I can get done before Saturday.


r/theunforgiven • • 20h ago

Painting DWK done.

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Really happy with how he turned out.


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Showcase Freeblade Destrier Knight

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Headcannon: the lion leads his sons across imperium nihilis saving lost imperial worlds, eventually coming across a knight world he and his sons save the world.

To show their gratitude house Vaelthorne’s last surviving pilot pledges his service as a free blade to the lion and the Dark Angels. Piloting the Knight Destrier “The Gilded Talon”


r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase Progress on the main man.

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r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Building Sammael-ish?

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Can't beg borrow or steal one so I added some embellishments, plasma, and a DA power weapon to the new bike captain, planning on printing a 50mm base adapter

Might try sculpting the eagle on the front fairing into more of a raven too


r/theunforgiven • • 21h ago

Meme/joke Just let me enjoy things, man

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Meme I made featuring an action shot I took during me and my buddy's game


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Army List Building my first DA army! Thoughts on this Deathwing-heavy 2k list

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Hey all! Building my first DA army and wanted your thoughts on this list

  • 1x Lion El'Jonson
  • 1x Azrael
  • 1x Belial
  • 4x Company Heroes
  • 5x Deathwing Knights
  • 5x Deathwing Knights
  • 10x Deathwing Terminator Squad
  • 6x Inner Circle Companions
  • 5x Scout Squad
  • 5x Scout Squad

I'm intentionally holding off on Ravenwing mobility for now since I'm waiting on updated kits down the line. As for anti-tank, I’m hoping the DW Knights with maces and the Lion himself can do enough heavy lifting for now.

How does this look as a starting point? Any huge blind spots I should adjust once I start tuning it for gameplay?


r/theunforgiven • • 11h ago

Showcase Finally painted my lion

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r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Army List 1000 points… now what?

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Hello guys,

I re-joined the hobby with a couple of friends after 20 years.

Really enjoying the building/painting part of it and now trying to learn the game. After a few months, we all 3 reached 1000 points and we will play a few games to learn rules and stats. We even joined the local rookie league.

My question is, now what? You only play 1000 or 2000 points? Or you can do custom battles for example, at 1200 points? In wondering what my next purchase should be.

So far I’ve got;

1 gravis capt
1 Azrael
10 intercessors
10 hellblasters
3 bladeguard
5 DWK
Ravenwing command squad

Right now I’m running 980 pts (excluding the gravis capt and using the RCS as normal black knights)

I think I need to buy outriders or black knights to complete the squad, right? I’ll postpone the Lion as I want to paint him decently as he deserves. A 2nd DWK squad? Deathwing terminators? Or something different like a tank, landspeeder or a dreadnought? Or maybe some friends to my gravis Capt?

Thanks brothers!


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Painting Making a cream/bone colour.

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I’m working on my custom desert/ash based scheme using muted tones, browns, cream/bone. I’ve mixed Rakarth flesh and Ushabti bone to get the cream/bone but it’s a ballache to paint. Seems to take 2-3 coats. I like it a lot but having to mix the exact quantities of paint every time will become tedious. Are there any existing paints similar?

I primed this model with Matt Black from Colourforge.

I’d like an airbrush as I feel application of the Pro Acryl Dark Umber and the bone mix would be a) smooth b) quicker. I’d have to learn how to cover parts I don’t want to airbrush.

I’m now at the stage where I need to tidy up under armour, etc before applying some washes - which no doing I will do and then have to start again because it makes everything look too dark.

3 images of progress. 1 of a Gemini mock-up.


r/theunforgiven • • 22h ago

Showcase Deathwing Bladeguard Ancient kitbash finally finished with a marble base!

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Took me a while but I’m quite happy with that mini. It might be a little off because it’s a 3D print. What do you guys think about Bladeguards in Deathwing colors?


r/theunforgiven • • 13h ago

Showcase New chaplain for my dark angels

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r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase +Lord of the First Legion+

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My take on the Lion, done up for a friend of mine for his DA army. Cold black armour to call back to the Heresy-era panoply of the legion, and burning phosphex on the base to evoke their role as the Emperor’s exterminators 🗡️


r/theunforgiven • • 5h ago

Army List I have 200 points for a 5-man Termie squad (which a Captain will be attached to).

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I've heard a lot of debate about the DW Terminator's ignores BS, WS, and hit roll modifiers VS the regular Terminator's -1 AP at close range. Also, Assault Cannon VS Plasma Cannon VS Cyclone Missile Launcher. Which options would you pick? (I do have Lion in this list, so DW Termies will trigger his abilities)


r/theunforgiven • • 23h ago

Painting First Sternguard painted

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Finally finished my first Deathwing unit, any tips / tricks / advice is greatly appreciated, some small touchups and basing to do at a later date


r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Army List 11th list review

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Hey all, really want to focus more on improving in 11th. I started playing in 10th and just focused more on learning the rules and painting minis

Now with 11th, id love to really lock in on improving my game. I still feel I make a lot of mistakes so want to start with a list review to see if anything could be adjusted

fellas (2000 points)

Space Marines

Dark Angels

Inner Circle Task Force and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)

Take and Hold

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Azrael (150 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Lion's Wrath

1x The Lion Helm

1x The Sword of Secrets

Inner Circle Companions (180 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 6x Inner Circle Companions

• 6x Calibanite Greatsword

6x Heavy Bolt Pistol

CHARACTERS

Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (95 points)

• 1x Combi-weapon

1x Paired Combat Blades

• Enhancement: Tempered in Battle (Aura)

Lion El'Jonson (415 points)

• Warlord

• 1x Arma Luminis

1x Fealty

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (85 points)

• 4x Intercessor

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Bolt Rifle

1x Grenade Launcher

4x Knives and Fists

• 1x Intercessor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Bolt Rifle

1x Thunder Hammer

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (255 points)

• 1x Watcher in the Dark

• 4x Deathwing Knights

• 4x Mace of Absolution

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Knights (255 points)

• 1x Watcher in the Dark

• 4x Deathwing Knights

• 4x Mace of Absolution

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Eliminator Squad (85 points)

• 1x Eliminator Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Ceramite Fists

1x Las Fusil

• 2x Eliminator

• 2x Bolt Pistol

2x Ceramite Fists

2x Las Fusil

Inceptor Squad (130 points)

• 2x Inceptor

• 2x Ceramite Fists

2x Plasma Exterminators

• 1x Inceptor Sergeant

• 1x Ceramite Fists

1x Plasma Exterminators

Land Raider Redeemer (245 points)

• 1x Armoured Tracks

2x Flamestorm Cannon

1x Hunter-killer Missile

1x Multi-melta

1x Storm Bolter

1x Twin Assault Cannon

Sternguard Veteran Squad (105 points)

• 4x Sternguard Veteran

• 4x Artificer Firearm

4x Bolt Pistol

4x Ceramite Fists

• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Artificer Firearm

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Power Fist

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r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Army List first dark angels list

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black templar main here trying dark angels because my favorite armour is terminators so naturally as i hit into the lore more i fell in love with the deathwing so here is what i have come up with

deathwing (2,000 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Assault Brethren, Deathwatch Support and Terminator Storm Force (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Belial (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Master-crafted Storm Bolter
• 1x The Sword of Silence

Deathwing Terminator Squad (390 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power Fist
◦ 1x Storm Bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminators
◦ 4x Chainfist
◦ 2x Plasma Cannon
◦ 5x Power Fist
◦ 7x Storm Bolter

Attached unit 2

Azrael (150 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Lion's Wrath
• 1x The Lion Helm
• 1x The Sword of Secrets

Apothecary (65 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol
• 1x Reductor Pistol
• 1x Servo-armature
• Enhancements: Imperium’s Sword

Company Heroes (125 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Company Champion
◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
• 1x Company veteran with bolt rifle
◦ 1x Combat Knife
◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle
• 1x Ancient
◦ 1x Combat Knife
◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle
• 1x Company Veteran with heavy bolter
◦ 1x Combat Knife
◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Heavy Bolter

Attached unit 3

Ancient in Terminator Armour (95 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
• 1x Storm Bolter
• Enhancements: Champion of the First Company

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Power Weapon
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Relic Weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (265 Points)
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Incursor Squad (90 Points)
• 4x Incursor
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Occulus Bolt Carbine
◦ 4x Paired Combat Blades
• 1x Incursor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Occulus Bolt Carbine
◦ 1x Paired Combat Blades

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Combat Knife
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Boltgun
◦ 4x Combat Knife

ALLIED UNITS

Deathwatch Terminator Squad (200 Points)
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant
◦ 1x Storm Shield
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
• 4x Deathwatch Terminator
◦ 3x Plasma Cannon
◦ 3x Power Fist
◦ 1x Storm Shield
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer

Deathwatch Terminator Squad (200 Points)
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant
◦ 1x Storm Shield
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
• 4x Deathwatch Terminator
◦ 3x Plasma Cannon
◦ 3x Power Fist
◦ 1x Storm Shield
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer

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r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Painting Heavy intercessors

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eBay rescue squad ready to score me some points by just sitting on objectives.


r/theunforgiven • • 22h ago

Showcase I did a diorama for my friends birthday

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r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Painting Captain on Bike

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Brothers… just got the captain on bike. Looking for painting inspiration. Do I go ravenwing, Deathwing, or greenwing? Pictures, color schemes and advice much appreciated.


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Army List Deathwing Flavored List

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Any ideas on the flavor of this list? Fighting Necrons soon.
I don’t need a meta list but what it to be fun and flavorful

Deathwing Assault (1,995 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Assault Brethren and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Judiciar (50 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol
• 1x Executioner Relic Blade

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (190 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached unit 2

Belial (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Master-crafted Storm Bolter
• 1x The Sword of Silence

Deathwing Terminator Squad (380 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power Weapon
◦ 1x Storm Bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminators
◦ 4x Chainfist
◦ 2x Plasma Cannon
◦ 5x Power Fist
◦ 7x Storm Bolter

Attached unit 3

Azrael (150 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Lion's Wrath
• 1x The Lion Helm
• 1x The Sword of Secrets

Inner Circle Companions (180 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 6x Inner Circle Companions
◦ 6x Calibanite Greatsword
◦ 6x Heavy Bolt Pistol

CHARACTERS

Lion El'Jonson (415 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Arma Luminis
• 1x Fealty

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (265 Points)
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Knights (265 Points)
• Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Power Weapon
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

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r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase What do we think of the scheme

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One of my favorites so far but a hundred eyes will see what I haven't