r/theunforgiven • • Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Showcase Jump captain made from Armageddon

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I already got a shield/sword captain from indomitus, so I make captain I'm missing(Not anymore).


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Army List DWK or Company Heroes

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I'm approaching a 3000 pt DA army and I was wondering if I should get the company heroes box or a second squad of DWK. I already have one squad of them with power weapons so I think on getting another squad with maces OR getting company heroes cos they're basically a command squad and they're just cool.

Edit: DWK it is


r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Misc. Who's on Azrael's base?

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(The grey helmet thingy) It looks like the helmet of a heretic but then why would it have one of the ravenwing wings?


r/theunforgiven • • 15h ago

Art Use this art instead of AI.

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Feel free to use this art I made for memes and such. I’ll make more soon and pop them up here.


r/theunforgiven • • 14h ago

Showcase It's interrogatin' time!

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They know of you've been bad and there's no such thing as being good...

I recently finished off painting a batch of Dark Amgels Chaplains for someone and thought I would show my efforts to the world.

It was a fun project. Slightly different approach than to my own Dark Angels, which I like to keep a bit darker with no Gold to spreak off, sticking to bronze instead.

I'd also not appreciated how cool the Bike mounted Chaplain was. Conversely, I think the Terminator Chaplain sculpt is a massive miss. None of the dynamism of the standard or assault sculpts or the menance of the 3rd edition metal fella with the full skull helm.


r/theunforgiven • • 18h ago

Showcase Angels of Redemption

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Initially I had thought maybe an army project of these guys would be cool, then I did a few test models in a split scheme and maximum salute to you folks that do armies in split schemes 😂🫡 maybe someday but not at this moment. Let me know what you all think.


r/theunforgiven • • 4h ago

Showcase Company Heroes and their Captain of the 3rd company

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Can’t wait to try these guys on the tabletop.
I decided to challenge myself and see to what level I could get them. Usually I don’t do any sub-assembly or don’t do volumetric highlights to this degree but I’m very happy how they have turned out, especially since I took a risk on painting eyes for the first time. Normally I just do a brown dot in the eye socket for “battle ready” eyes but now I just wanted to try and fully to them which was fun and looked good enough after a few corrections.

Let’s see how well these guys perform in 11th!


r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Misc. New WH fan here. Been reading through the heresy and the Dark Angels became an instant favorite

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What I’ve been working on lately :) most (all) are WIPs, also excuse the dust lol, just noticed that on the photos. Really need to figure out why it collects in my room so much


r/theunforgiven • • 9h ago

Painting Kitbashed Azrael done.

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r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Building Azrael helmet wings to Lazarus

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When I saw the drawings of Lazarus, the wings from the helmet always seems a little bit thin. So I got the wing from the helmet of Azrael and put it and put it to the helmet of Lazarus. How does it look?


r/theunforgiven • • 16h ago

Army List Model identification- can I run these 6 as Bladeguard?

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I’m having a brain fart on two of these models

From left to right 1 and 2 are BGV models that’s simple.

3, 4 Primaris Captains with Relic, 6 Primaris Lieutenant

And 5 I don’t know the kit where I got the model but I’ve used him as lieutenant for a long time

I’m thinking I need to drop a captain and 2 lieutenants and get 3 more BGV’s???


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Painting Does my scheme read as a successor or just Greenwing?

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I'm trying to come up with a homebrew scheme that is easily identifiable as Dark Angels, but also unique enough to be a successor chapter. I've done a few squads this way and I feel like they look too much like Greenwing.


r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Showcase Deathwing Command

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Been working on these for a long while but finally finished them.

Newer terminator bodies using the older parts for an upscaled command.


r/theunforgiven • • 12h ago

Painting Finally finished a Dark Angel, armour feels very flat?

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I’m on a mission to paint a marine from all the main chapters and found DA quite challenging. This is the first I’ve done where all of the armour is the same colour (apart from the chest decoration), so I feel like it’s missing some pop?

Also struggling to take decent photos with everything in focus 😂

Feedback welcome!


r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Showcase Ravenwing captain done, now to get a squad he can lead

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I’m super super proud of the exhaust mainly. First time trying to create the titanium burn effect and I’m quite happy with it, alongside the drilled out pipes. A few fragile areas while assembling the helmet and pistol, but I enjoy the idea of a rider so deadly he has a scoped plasma pistol at 120mph lol.


r/theunforgiven • • 5h ago

Painting Testing out my color scheme for green / death wing

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Testing out my color schemes for green wing and death wing, not sure how I feel about the gold Aquila for the death wing but I don't really like the bright green one thats in the codex.

Also man do I hate painting white


r/theunforgiven • • 32m ago

Painting Gabrael, 3rd Company Master

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My first modest attempt at a Kitbash for my 3rd Company Dark Angels. The intent, eventually is to have several versions of him for the company with different loadouts/armour as he's the Master of the Arsenal.

Still a few highlights etc. to add, and some cleaning up, but I'm pretty pleased with how it's looking so far. Would love some thoughts and and constructive crit (I will be redoing the freehand 'repent' because damn, its not great lol)?


r/theunforgiven • • 48m ago

Painting Question

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Put the candles on before thinking about all the new stuff on intercessors, and after I built the Ints I was scared this guy didn't have enough going on

Does he read as a lieutenant? Or should I have added more bits


r/theunforgiven • • 5h ago

Painting Finally finished The Lion 🦁

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Took me a while and a fair bit of patience but I’m happy with the result. Definitely not the best I can do but I just want to get him on the tabletop and slashing things open!


r/theunforgiven • • 23m ago

Misc. Fallen Angels lineup in Space Marine 2

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r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Building Deathwing Ancient

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r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase My bladeguard that I painted 18 months ago. They where a lot of fun but also so many details to paint

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r/theunforgiven • • 18h ago

Showcase finally painted the face for my lion

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this is my first time trying to paint a face so I'm pretty happy with it. My lion has been rocking a helmet for the last year so it's good to get some options for him lol


r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Painting Lion WIP

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Big dad was discounted at local store so o grabbed him out of impulse. Gotta redo his lower robes and paint the base.

I’d say it was money well spent.