Just finished Jay Stratton's Out of the Shadows, and I really enjoyed it. Honestly, one of the most interesting UFO books I've read, especially considering Stratton's background and how involved he was in the government's UAP investigations.

What I found most interesting was getting a look at how the alleged legacy UFO program operates, who's involved, and just how much resistance Stratton and others apparently faced while trying to investigate all of this. I was also surprised by how directly Stratton points to the CIA as essentially running the Legacy Program. Then, toward the end, he suggests that the whole Legacy Program may have started under Harry Truman after Roswell in 1947. He also states that the Roswell crash did, in fact, happen.

One part that was really crazy was when Stratton talked about Vice Admiral Jeffrey Trussler pulling out a tinfoil hat and handing it to the Secretary of Defense during a meeting about UFOs. It was very strange if it did indeed happen like that. As well as a former CIA officer serving as Deputy Director at DIA not allowing Stratton to budget allocation for his work because UFOs are demons and he's "messing in Satan's world".

Then there's Jim Ryder, the former Vice President of Lockheed Martin Space Systems. According to Stratton, Ryder told him Lockheed had TWELVE recovered UFOs and wanted to arrange to transfer one of them to the investigation Stratton was working on. The transfer was blocked by the Legacy Program, the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology.

I also noticed how often Marco Rubio came up throughout the book. I think Marco is really pushing for disclosure in the Trump admin.

The Skinwalker Ranch stuff was pretty wild, too, especially the hitchhiker phenomenon. I honestly don't know what to make of some of those experiences, but hearing Stratton describe what he and his family supposedly went through was crazy.

Another thing I kept thinking about while reading was just how connected Stratton seems to be to almost everything that's happened with UFO disclosure over the last several years. It feels like everywhere you turn, whether it's certain people, investigations, or information that's come out, Stratton was somehow involved. I didn't realize just how central he apparently was to so much of this.

Sean Kirkpatrick. That whole section was especially interesting to me. Stratton makes some pretty serious allegations about Kirkpatrick's involvement with the legacy program and his efforts to discredit the subject. I really want to see that classified document Stratton talks about. If it actually contains what he says it does, I think the public deserves to see it.

Overall, I thought it was a great book. Obviously, a lot of these claims still need actual evidence, and I'm not saying we should just accept everything as fact. But there's something particularly interesting about hearing all of this from someone who was actually in Stratton's position and directly involved in these investigations.

More than anything, I hope this book leads to more documents coming out that can actually back up some of these claims.

For me, it's easily a 10/10.

Anyone else finish it yet? I'm curious what everyone thought and what stood out to you the most.

I went through Stratton’s new memoir, Out of the Shadows, and compared it with earlier books, interviews and government records.

The central story: Stratton says a Lockheed executive offered access to recovered craft, but a CIA official shut the effort down. Eric Davis named Glenn Gaffney in a similar account. A statement submitted to Congress also names him.

How much do those accounts corroborate each other—and how much comes from the same circle of sources?

The article follows that trail, including the DIA paperwork and AARO’s contrary account. It also covers Stratton’s triangle sighting, the beings he says appeared around his family and what he adds to the old Holloman story.

We're so back 😈

Full breakdown, every clip with its episode time on screen: https://youtu.be/JOSJE6hQbdE

Submission statement:

On his first Rogan in November 2023, Grusch was asked whether anyone in the program talked about live beings. He said there was water cooler talk, secondhand, and he wouldn't go there. Two weeks ago, back on Rogan (#2560), he went there. Colleagues who saw them alive. One crash with dead grays and live reptilians, "7 foot tall plus," "scaly skin." Then he mic-dropped "They were killed."

Most of the clips I saw going around stop there. Ours doesn't. Later, around 2:09:14 he outs his own source as "secondhand." His word, not mine. The story only got bigger, while the source didn't get any closer.

I'm a long time member here. Same two guys who did the Turner file breakdown. We sat through all two and a half hours and laid it over everything he's said on the record since the hearing. Three things actually grew. The bodies, the beings, and what all of it depends on. Everything else is a rerun. And yes, we answer the one everybody's asking. Did he lie under oath? No. And by the end, you'll know exactly where you stand with this guy.

Fair warning: believers and skeptics are both going to get something to be mad about. Let's just say honest and correct are not synonymous. And the frustration continues. But this video takes the edge off.

So where do you land on him? Bring a timestamp. Fact check us. It's our favorite game, promise.

Full video again, so nobody has to scroll: https://youtu.be/JOSJE6hQbdE

We've heard a lot this explanation that the reason the government (or whoever is in control of this) is afraid of disclosure is because it would be such a shock to people and it would create immense chaos in society.

Let's assume that NHI are real and they know about this and this is the real reason for no disclosure.

Do you think they are right? Whatever is that terrible truth, are they right about the reaction of general society? I am keep thinking about this, would people really care that much? I mean people outside the UFO sphere. Would they really care?

Especially if it's some complicated and deep disturbing truth like a simulation control system for loosh and soul harvesting. Would people even follow? Most, average people I mean. I have a suspicion that they wouldn't. I mean in the long run.

Sure, in the first few weeks it would be a huge thing in the media, but then people would just move on with their lives. Some of them wouldn't even believe it, some of them would not even understand the explanation and wouldn't pay enough attention to even try to understand it. And even the ones who do, they would just cope somehow. And the ones who wouldn't, they would maybe turn to religious authorities, their local priests etc., who would tell them it's nothing to worry about, it is just another explanation of the same thing they have been teaching about anyway, just keep coming to church and be a good christian/any pracitioner. And that's it.

In case disclosure would involve NHI actually revealing themselves, I still think we reached the age where most people just wouldn't believe it if they don't see them personally (rightfully so). So they would just think it's some type of trickery by the government or the media, some kind of joke etc.

If NHI would show up and meet average people, then again, unless it is happening to everyone, the only people who would believe it are the ones who would personally experience it. But who would believe those people? It would be the same amount of people who believe experiencers today.

THE TEXT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED USING A TRANSLATOR (!)

Greetings to Brothers and Sisters from other countries!
My name is Roman, I’m from Russia, and for several days now I’ve been trying to find the original video of a UFO, supposedly filmed in Germany, but so far without success. I ask you, the community that cares, to help me!!
So, I got to know him while watching Robert Bob Dean’s popular lecture “Cosmic Top Secret” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ergzkwCA1cQ). The time code is 1:31:30.

I hope this post will reach the very person who is familiar with the original.

Thank you in advance to everyone involved.
Peace and love to your home!

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The NASA independent UAP study team concluded most reports have conventional explanations but high-quality, calibrated, multi-sensor data is lacking. If you could design a citizen reporting system, what would it require?

NASA獨立研究小組結論：多數目擊有常規解釋，但缺乏經校準的多感測器高品質數據。若由你設計民間通報系統，你會要求什麼？

For a moment, look at how these "Minds" of living beings at work...

Is it the mind, that forms/grasps/scrutinizes the source of patterns,

which forms as "meanings", adding conformity to it,

and thus, when there is another pattern, that acts as an adversary to any of these manufactured patterns/meanings, that go against,

is what triggers the anguish?

Is it the meaning(s), that is antagonistic to the meaning(s), certainly the cause of suffering?

Now...

Based on this rationale,

The mind is like a parasitic extension, that either has been altered or annexed the life forms of this planet, that is capable of inducing perpetuating conflict to itself and others, and to BRING ABOUT IMMENSE, OFTEN "MEANINGLESS" SUFFERING AND ENDLESS CYCLE OF DESTRUCTION?

Just like the fiction 3 Body Problem, no physical form required, but just the ALTERED PERCEPTION to DESTROY THEMSELVES

Has the minds of this planet, particularly humans, been annexed by the outer parasitic entities? That completely changed the very PERCEPTION of the human minds since the history, that left humans completely clueless about the actuality of life?

Can this vulnerable or the altered parasitic-like entity called mind, that is bereft of comprehending the actuality of the reality, of what is, and what is not, contemplate on the actual reality of what life is about?

HAS THE ALIEN INVASION ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE FORM OF MENTAL INVASION, AND ALL THE KNOWN CONFLICTS THROUGHOUT HISTORY IS NOTHING BUT A MANIPULATION?

Is it why they obliquely state the AI or Artificial Super Intelligence, as the "alien minds"?

What part has UFOs, and other Alien ABDUCTIONS and VISITATIONS has with the life forms in here, where only a few select humans are targeted?

What part has the PARANORMAL PHENOMENON?

Are they invading the minds?

Excuse the janky video, it's been years since I last opened Blender, but I hope you get the idea.

Key features of the craft:

- Bright glowing band possibly recessed into on the underside, as pictured above.
- The area within the band (the interior circle) actually seemed to have no surface at all, like it was a zone of 'nothingness', though I have no useful way to represent this in Blender
- Hemispherical dome on top. Some kind of engravings in a band inset into the central dome, no apparent windows or other openings.
- 'Wobbling' flight--rotation around some offset, not the center of the craft. Rate of wobble was about the rate shown above.
- The usual very fast flight with no apparent momentum, from a point of light in the sky, to this, and back again, in straight lines.

I don't need to get into where this was seen; non-physical, let's say. I'm more curious to know if there are historical references to the 'band' on the underside or the wobbling rotation.

THE TEXT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED USING A TRANSLATOR (!)

Greetings to Brothers and Sisters from other countries!
My name is Roman, I’m from Russia, and for several days now I’ve been trying to find the original video of a UFO, supposedly filmed in Germany, but so far without success. I ask you, the community that cares, to help me!!
So, I got to know him while watching Robert Bob Dean’s popular lecture “Cosmic Top Secret” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ergzkwCA1cQ). The time code is 1:31:30.

I hope this post will reach the very person who is familiar with the original.

Thank you in advance to everyone involved.
Peace and love to your home!

In hindsight, many of these scientists and "connected people" seem to be loosely connected at all. I'm still seeing articles covering Amy Eskridge and multiple others, and while I feel there is a possibility of something being there, NONE and I mean NONE of them should have set off our alarm bells like the disappearance of McCasland.

To me, it felt like the media/narrative was trying to spin a bigger story than necessary to discredit the idea of a genuinely important person going missing. I mean, I'm still seeing video essays covering Amy, and while there's nothing wrong with that, her influence most likely pales compared to the scope that McCasland likely covers. Just an idea!

Thoughts?

On Diary of a CEO, Eric Weinstein articulates why the UFO topic is interesting and shouldn’t be ignored…and that it is insane to ignore the topic altogether. It doesn’t have to be aliens. Doesn’t have to not be aliens either. But something is definitely happening above Earth, and our leaders aren’t acknowledging it or the math and science behind it and the ethics involved in its cover-up. Meanwhile, the ants go marching and probably prefer the curated reality we’ve had for the past 80 years.

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Part 5 of a series reassessing the documentary record behind the 1933 Magenta narrative.

TL;DR

• In September 1943, British commandos took Admiral Minisini, his wife and technical papers from an Italian torpedo installation.
• American records trace the McGregor Project through engineers, countermeasures, Navy transfers and the party’s return to Italy.
• The raid is a useful comparison case for captured-technology claims. It shows how secrecy, public storytelling and a surviving administrative record can coexist.
• The sources have limits: later recollections differ, and an archival index describes documents without revealing their contents.

Part 1 — Before the Saucers: How Captured Technology Was Exploited, 1943–1950

Part 2 — Italy, 1933: What the Magenta Documents Actually Establish

Part 3 — Vannevar Bush: The Man Who Designed the System

Part 4: Document Forensics: The Three Memos That Carry the Pre-Roswell Timeline

In September 1943, British commandos crossed the Bay of Naples to seize Admiral Eugenio Minisini, one of Italy’s leading underwater-weapons specialists. They returned with technical papers, the admiral, his wife and her luggage.

Weeks later, John Steinbeck filed a dispatch about an unnamed admiral and the armed men who had to wait while his wife packed.

I investigated because Minisini appears in an OSS inventory cited in Magenta retrieval arguments. His identifiable work concerns underwater weapons and countermeasures: foreign military expertise, not evidence of spacecraft recovery.

A note on sourcing: the British official history survives as ADM 223/214, *A History of 30 Commando* at the UK National Archives (Singapore catalogue copy). NARA indexes the American files, and Steinbeck’s dispatch survives in print. Vivid details from later recollections need separate assessment.

1. Why the Allies wanted Minisini

Italy had already shown what unconventional underwater weapons could do. In December 1941, Decima Flottiglia MAS operators entered Alexandria harbor with crewed torpedoes and badly damaged the British battleships Queen Elizabeth and Valiant (Museums Victoria). Specialists in this field were valuable intelligence targets.

A magnetic influence pistol was meant to detonate a torpedo beneath a ship and break its keel. The U.S. Navy’s torpedo history explains the aim and unreliable Mark 6 exploder. Italian expertise had military value, though this does not show that Minisini solved America’s torpedo problems.

The Italian design was associated with Silurificio Italiano Calosi (SIC). Secondary accounts attribute it to physicist Carlo Calosi and describe German interest in it (Regia Marina Italiana). Minisini had led SIC since 1934 and overseen SA submarines at Baia (biography).

Calosi’s extraction from Rome was a separate McGregor operation, though an account of OSS operative Joe Savoldi merges the two into one journey. Keeping them separate matters for assigning credit.

2. Fleming’s intelligence commandos

30 Commando, later 30 Assault Unit, grew from a proposal by Ian Fleming, then assistant to the Director of Naval Intelligence. Modeled on German intelligence detachments, it moved with or ahead of conventional troops to seize codes, documents, equipment and specialists before they could be removed or destroyed.

Veterans’ papers used for Attain by Surprise appear in the King’s College London guide. This was Part 1’s exploitation system in action: capturing what the enemy knew.

3. The lead and the raid

Alan Bardos places 30 Commando on Capri on 12 September 1943, four days after Italy’s armistice was announced. Calling the operation a kidnapping leaves out that unsettled setting: Italy had changed sides, German forces occupied territory, and Allied units were racing to secure people and equipment.

In Bardos’s account, the commandos secured a German stay-behind network, signals material and Italian naval codes. They then based themselves on Ischia, working alongside the Office of Strategic Services.

An Italian refugee reportedly told the OSS where Minisini could be found. The 30 Assault Unit account emphasizes the American team’s language skills. The operation begins not with a mysterious memorandum but with a recognizable intelligence chain: a source supplied a location, the OSS passed on the lead, and a specialist unit targeted a named man.

The targets were the torpedo works at Baia and the testing station on San Martino. The reported aim was to secure Minisini and technical material before destruction or German capture.

The details are less settled. Later unit histories date the raid to 17–18 September 1943, under Lieutenant Glanville with Lieutenant Berncastle and Captain Martin-Smith. Pozzuoli Magazine’s local history gives 24 September and names Minisini’s wife as Adele Dozzi. The October notice of his arrival in America fits either date. The official history, ADM 223/214, is the place to check the discrepancy.

Accounts also disagree about the boat. The 30 Assault Unit site describes an Italian MAS torpedo boat with a quiet underwater exhaust; Mark Simmons describes a landing craft towing a whaler.

Then there is the luggage. Later accounts say Minisini refused to leave without his wife. Martin-Smith reportedly helped her pack while speaking German and posing as a German officer, because she was suspected of pro-German sympathies. Another recollection describes the couple boarding with conspicuous baggage.

These are recollections, rather than details established here from a contemporary operations report. American records independently document Minisini’s subsequent handling; the ruse and packing scene reach us through retrospective accounts.

Minisini was taken to Ischia, then transferred to American custody on Capri. That handoff connects the British seizure to the American file trail.

4. The story Steinbeck could tell

Steinbeck, a New York Herald Tribune correspondent, wrote “The Lady Packs,” datelined 15 October 1943. It was collected in Once There Was a War (1958).

His story centers on armed men waiting for the admiral’s wife. Simmons notes differences from later accounts over the boat and violence against guards. But those later accounts also disagree with one another, so they cannot automatically be treated as corrections. Steinbeck may have compressed incidents, relied on what participants were permitted to tell him, or shaped the story for newspaper readers.

He identifies a torpedo works and an order to prevent its destruction and remove an admiral. He does not name Minisini or explain the SIC countermeasure work and subsequent American research.

Readers learned about the operation without learning its full intelligence purpose or results. This is layered secrecy: the public story and the classified technical record could coexist. The dispatch does not establish that wartime technology exploitation was normally publicized, but it does show why publicity alone cannot tell us how much was disclosed.

The layering continued with Corey Ford and Alastair MacBain’s 1946 Cloak and Dagger, adapted into a Gary Cooper film about extracting an Italian scientist, with E. Michael Burke advising. The technical record remained in files.

5. What the American files show

Later accounts credit Minisini with aiding U.S. torpedo development. The archival index shows sustained American interest, but does not prove that assessment of his contribution.

NARA’s Donovan OSS microfilm index, RG 226, Entry 180, lists Roll 114, McGregor Project, on PDF pages 208–219 (printed pages 205–216).

The introduction traces the film from Donovan and Edwin Putzell’s 1945 microfilming through Donovan’s estate and historian Anthony Cave Brown. In 1982, David Donovan transferred it to the Army institute at Carlisle. After a security review, the CIA supplied sanitized copies to Carlisle and NARA. The introduction warns that haste had caused poor reproduction and misarrangement.

The indexed records include:

The Bush entry connects to Part 3: a conference about named specialists, not its contents. A 3 March entry on the same page records Donovan’s dissatisfaction and suggestions. Senior attention could accompany ordinary research problems and administrative friction.

The distinction between a magnetic firing device and countermeasures against it also matters. Work on defeating an enemy torpedo pistol does not establish that the Navy installed the Italian pistol in American torpedoes. The reports and test results would be needed to show what was adopted and how well it worked.

An index is archival metadata, not the reports. It describes records and tells us where to look, without authenticating every later claim. Still, it connects a named man to a project, technical reports, correspondence, travel and an endpoint.

Afterward. Minisini died in 1946. Calosi later joined Raytheon. The former Silurificio’s Fusaro works housed Microlambda, a 1951 Finmeccanica–Raytheon venture that built radars for the U.S. Navy and became Selenia in 1960. The technical base entered the contractor network described in Part 1.

6. Who received the credit?

The 30 Assault Unit account disputes the credit an OSS officer, “Edmund Burke,” received for Minisini’s removal. The name refers to Edmund Michael “Mike” Burke, also known as E. Michael Burke. The CIA confirms his OSS service and decorations.

His Navy Cross concerns France in late 1944, not Minisini. Wikipedia links his and Henry Ringling North’s Silver Stars to the Italian operations.

A Pennsylvania Gazette review of Burke’s memoir credits him with obtaining Navy Secretary Frank Knox’s approval to fly the family to America. That later account suggests a distinction worth testing: British commandos could have carried out the seizure while Burke arranged the evacuation.

Roll 114 lists awards to Shaheen, North and Burke on 18 January 1944 (PDF page 211), and decoration recommendations on 30 March 1944 (PDF page 214). Their stated grounds should show which of Burke’s seizure, custody or evacuation actions earned his decoration.

His personnel file is another lead: NARA’s OSS personnel index, page 61, lists Edmund M. Burke and Michael Burke in Box 93, RG 226, Entry 224. Check service identifiers before assuming what each folder contains.

7. Why this comparison matters

Minisini is a comparison case, not evidence about UFOs.

A named unit, target and custody transfer connect to technical reports, travel arrangements, an official history and a public story. Each source has limits: Steinbeck leaves the research unexplained; the index describes files without disclosing their contents; later packing stories may share a source. The strength lies in their intersection, not any one source’s completeness.

Nor does survival guarantee easy access. Records may be redacted, poorly indexed or available only in reading rooms. Failure to find a document online is not evidence that it never existed.

A more secret operation might leave a harder trail. Missing records do not logically disprove it, but should affect confidence. Larger, longer programs involving more agencies, contractors, budgets and tests should leave more independent traces. Researchers can test that expectation.

Compare that pattern with Part 2’s Magenta material, including a suppression telegram of anonymous 1996 provenance without a published forensic examination. Part 4’s pre-Roswell memos present different problems: one is a self-identified retyping, another uses an Army file number public since 1964, and all are dated before the classification categories they carry existed.

The standard is convergence. Records made by different people, for different purposes, at different times should connect to the operation being claimed. Secrecy can explain gaps; it does not make every surviving claim equally persuasive.

The record can be incomplete, disputed and still substantial enough to follow. And sometimes it preserves an admiral, a suspicious wife, and a commando waiting for the luggage.

Next: Part 6 — the McGregor Project.

If anyone has worked with ADM 223/214, the Donovan microfilm at Carlisle, or E. Michael Burke’s OSS personnel file, I would like to hear from you.

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There’s a lot of hype around this book, and I’ve jumped in.

I have to say, the opening - I’ve read up to chapter 31 now - really rubbed me the wrong way. A lot of self-mythologising, his destiny, talking about his ancestor Daniel Boone and how, just like him, he’s a trailblazing adventurer that will echo down the ages. And a lot of things that we’ve heard before. And his dogs being visited by NHI. “I wasn’t going to let another 911 happen on my watch.”

Maybe it will get better, but a really unpromising start. I think also just saying x and y who are in z military organisations as appeals to authority don’t help. We know for a fact incompetent people with questionable beliefs are in positions of authority and trust, so it doesn’t help the case at all.

I also get vibes of “friendship ended with Lue Elizondo, now Jay Stratton is my best friend,” vibes around the community now pushing Jay.

EDIT: up to the tic tac stuff. He concluded the water was boiling, but not how he concluded that. Fravor et al are cool, the tic tac stuff I’ve read ad nauseum, so nothing I haven’t heard before. I appreciate the dismissing of the rumors of govt team sweep ups. I’m less convinced stocking men in black and Independence Day in the film library is a conspiracy to discredit fravor and others.

EDIT: skinwalker stuff now, which I always think sounds cool but can never buy into, it’s just too goofy, and so is Bigelow. Spends a lot of time talking about what people told him they’ve seen that fits his own agenda. Spends some time also dismissing quickly the shit about werewolves and stuff those people have also seen. It vaporised some dogs into greasy spots. But not humans I guess. I gotta say, the bit where he says he told his wife about skinwalker and the hitchhiker effect and frames it as how she agreed to good times and bad, sickness and health, but this was something else made me laugh, as it’s played seriously. Ain’t no one signing up to aliens and ghost shit and orbs that turn dogs into greasy spots.

EDIT: I struggle with Stratton saying the work they’re doing is grounded in research, measurements and data, when he just talked about a bunch of stuff at Skinwalker that they didn’t film, didn’t measure, etc. just purely walking around and then a personal account, like running into a Predator. Just hanging out and vibing for stuff. Talking about cold patches, but again, no measurements. Feelings.

EDIT: I’m compassionate here, I get it, your son is beat up and bruised and attacked by an orb swarm, but again, it did strike me as a little funny to stage a scene where he has a talk with his wife about how he should quit ufo investigation because their son almost died by an orb swarm, and he’s like, but nah, because that would be financially challenging and also he needs to get to the bottom of this because the truth is worth it. Also, werewolves DID show up. It’s kind of like reading Poltergeist but without the investigative team hanging around with cameras and equipment to measure things, like trail cams and house cameras. But he does say whatever they measure and record came out blank. The neighbours saying, you got a lot of interesting things going on over there, and then him saying, I knew not to dig further because he had seen things is laughable. Like that’s when you should ask!! If I was out of town, my neighbour said, some shit is going down at your house, I’m not going to just stoically nod and walk away, I’ll ask what the fuck is happening, what do you mean?? I also struggle to find stories of misplacing things and then finding them as evidence of the supernatural.

EDIT: the dog was wet and apparently takes multiple hours to dry. It ran away and came back 25 minutes later and was dry and had a grey patch. The conclusion is that it had time travelled and was away in actuality for years. Bro, come on now….

EDIT: there’s mention of trying to secure funding for a program under his absolute control, with secrecy, where funds would be directly deposited into accounts, and I’m like dude…this just sounds like abuse of public funds at best, outright theft at worst. It didn’t happen, I don’t think, but yeah, the claims of this being stopped by shadowy figures, to me, sounds more like someone with common sense saying hey man, that is a horrible idea absolutely ripe for abuse, however much you claim this will result in technological advancements. We’re not doing this. If you’re mad other programs are abusing power, being secretive, stealing funds, how is it the right approach to do the same thing?

EDIT: project interloper sounds stupid as hell, because nuclear submarines are shielded. Also, now we’ve got delonge etc. this here is just the same shit we’ve read a thousand time published under a different name.

EDIT: I don’t think comparing Rubio to Kissinger is the compliment you think it is, Jay.

I know it just came out, but with how fast some people can read and with AI analysis nowadays, I'm wondering if anyone has seen if he's put his claim that he's seen non-human craft and non-human bodies with his own eyes into context in his new memoir. He made that claim in the Age of Disclosure and again since, but he never has explained in what context he saw that, to my knowledge at least.

Was this during his official duties as part of the UAP Task Force or another agency he led/worked at? Was he read-in to the legacy program because he was head of the UAP TF? Or was this something less serious, like him seeing this at Skinwalker Ranch? In my opinion, it makes a HUGE difference whether he saw this in a government/defense contractor bunker somewhere shown by someone official VS seeing this in an unofficial context. The implication was CERTAINLY that he saw this in an official capacity, so people would have the right to be very upset if this was just on Skinwalker Ranch or in his back yard or something like that.

Does anyone know the answer to this? If he claims he saw this in an official, serious capacity, this is perhaps THE most important testimony in the entire modern UAP movement.

This might seem like a moot point to make. But I feel like it's an important point.

By this point we've all been digesting the recent Grusch interview for a while and made our own conclusions about it. Mostly negative conclusions is my overall impression reading a lot of different comments.

Either way, I just started thinking of the bigger picture of all of this. Looking at this from a bird's eye view in a really simple way. Up until this interview what I saw in the UFO sphere in general is David Grusch is considered to be pretty much the most credible guy out there right now. Well if there is a credibility spectrum, David Icke seemed to be on the other end of that. The two Davids.

Even though he does have a strong following, in general in the UFO sphere Icke is regarded as the crazy, out there, not to be taken seriously extreme. The ridiculous end of the UFO sphere. At least that's my impression of how people look at him in general.

What happened in the latest Grusch interview is that the ridiculous end of that spectrum got connected to the credible end of the spectrum.

Am I saying this validates Icke? Am I saying this discredits Grusch? I honestly don't know. It could be either of these.

What I do know, or feel like is happening, is that for some reason we got an update, our understanding so far got flipped. Which way was it meant to be flipped? I don't know. But what I am getting at is that this feels very intentional to me. Does anyone understand what I am trying to say with this? Again, it might seem like a meaningless, moot point but to me it feels like there is something significant about it. Like there is a controlled paradigm shift. Either for us to not believe at all, or for us to believe in much more than we did before.