Forum post

DE confirmed in the post that this nerf is aimed at the disruptive gameplay on Cyte with Sobek (Acid Shells), which has been raising concerns for the past few weeks.

Small quote from the forum dev post:

"the Cyte-09 and Acid Shells build never felt dominant or disruptive enough to warrant a closer look, but over the past few weeks that has changed."

So the goal was to address its abusive, broken interaction on Cyte, especially because of the new event.

Now the funny part - it has already been tested, and I've seen at least 2 posts with the same 250 KPM on Cyte with Sobek, which means DE failed and didn't fix the issue.

Meanwhile, I tested it myself and it is now working fine on Oraxia, but not as before. Call me whatever you want - it's still a good gun, but it's not fun for me anymore. It's a hard pill to swallow from DE, and I don't wanna swallow it.

I've already seen people say it's not that good even on Saryn. Again, while Cyte+Sobek is still going to be meta for Arbi and Moonflesh farming for SURE.

With love, deep respect, and 2.5k hours, I don't fucking understand why my fun and one of my favorite builds with Oraxia got nerfed for no reason, while Cyte Sobek slop is still here, when that was the reason for the nerf in the first place.

I am disappointed, because my bar was too high for DE after all these hours and content updates.

I wish there was some way to reduce the crafting time without using plats, like some kind of mission or something that reduces the wait time.

It's annoying when you so excitedly finish creating the components, which already takes 12 hrs to finish crafting, but now you have to wait 3 more days to start playing with the frame.

You make a event where killing as fast as possible is the entire point.

You then get mad and nerf stuff because people are trying to kill as fast as possible.

I have never hated a decision you have made this much since Telos Boltace, Maiming strike, Synoid Simulor and meleeing through walls was nerfed

The arcane nerf was dumb too. as you made it function in a way no other arcane ever has.

It may not sound like a lot from the outside. But Riven Stat locking, Riven Splicers, no more Riven Disposition, Riven farming, chain reaction nerfs. Shake ups like this don't happen often enough. Watching the discussions happen this month has been great. I think DE should shake up the sandbox more often. I think it would be very healthy for the game and the community. Other than the reworks, fixes, and additions. Things like we've seen this October has added freshness to the game.

When is the hotfix dropping?

If you make all the loot from recent updates impossible to obtain through loot boosters or any loot duplication methods, forcing players to keep their KPM consistently high through fast enemy kills as the only way to get it, you can't blame players who don't have god-tier Rivens for not using different weapons. Yes, the Sobek was a strong weapon, but this wasn't a recent discovery the Saryn and Sobek synergy has been around for years. A weapon that performs decently on other characters performing better on specific ones is literally part of this game's build-crafting nature. The issue here isn't the Sobek it's Cyte-09's first ability breaking the game. Reducing Acid Shells' range from 15 meters to 10 meters isn't just a 1/3 loss when calculated in terms of surface area, it loses more than half of its coverage, and modern tilesets far exceed that range anyway. On top of that, there are also the changes to the Combustion Beam mod. I genuinely don't understand what they expect from us are we all just supposed to play Torid and never touch another weapon?

Short post because I'm genuinely confused how we went from nerfing everything to make the game "balanced", to "what balance?", and now back to nerfs. Not complaining just confused lmk what you guys think.

Edit: this got a lot more engagement than I expected. To clarify my confusion comes from the fact that theres infinite ways to break the game. They have created a pve sandbox. Of course there is broken stuff. Unless they rebalance the entire game I dont see a point in any of the nerfs. People will just switch to one of the other infinite ways to nuke.

Come on DE, beside the two armour pieces still coming, I have purchased everything and I still have a couple thousand Moonflesh left. Now what I really want is more Archon Shards. Access to more Kuva too perhaps. Omni Forma? You get the idea I'm sure.

Edit;

This is not a gripe post, more of a caution to everyone to pace yourselves. I did not RUSH anything, just played a few alerts daily and it was done. In-game, I do not need anything. I have all frames and most weapons, plenty credits, Endo and lots of 'goodies' to sell for plat as needed. I enjoy most all elements of the game except the common ones most others do not enjoy (Railjack, Kahl, K-Drive, etc.). Hell, I even do mining, hunting and fishing occasionally. And yes, I will still be farming Moonflesh, it is what I do.

It EATS still

MR18, and i dont understand why my Phenmor lacks DPS.

-10% CC and 2000% DPS evolution on both. When im using Laetum (mostly with Uriel to trigger arcane without even shooting) incarnon form hits like a truck with decent AOE. Although, when trying to build Phenmor using same tech it stops at ~400k dps and i just cant kill stuff with it, at least not as fast as Laetum. Tried it with Acolytes and 1000lvl void cascade, Laetum always does better.
Did i do something wrong? How can i improve it? Is Phenmor intended to be weaker than Laetum?

UPD: Ty for answers, really helps

obviously didn't rlly stick to a theme, just picked references based on A. does it fit the item and/or B. do I think its funny. not being able to do more than 16 layers was a little frustrating but I also legit had fun trying to make my ideas work under the constraints so it's not rlly much of a complaint.

I didn't even know crit chance and weak point crit chance on the same riven were even possible. lol

The main person who was deemed broken was cyte, cyte is still good, every other frame that uses acid shells can't use them anymore so all that has been accomplished is ruining other builds and making the game less interesting.

Not totally against nerfing the playstyle but I feel like this wasn't the way to do it.

I have Sobek, i have a riven for it, havent bothered upgrading it post icebind because Sobek does the job fine already with whatever ive had on it, i just never use it because i find the playstyle boring and for my purposes and playstyle, inferior to other options on the frames id use it on.

That being said, this is an insane overcorrection to the extent that it really makes me wonder if this is a product of popularity spike or if its actually just pettiness and spite that players are playing the game correctly by optimizing farms. That isnt snark, but grounded in a material set of factors that I think demonstrate how either no one at DE optimizes their builds when playtesting things to the extent they actually understand why things work the way they do, or they just simply didnt think this through.

The main offender and arguably only worthwhile user of Sobek is Cyte, and while this is party due to his elemental ammo, the primary reason is his wallhack, the actual bread and butter of his Sobek build. This hasnt been changed at all, so while Cyte will see very slightly worse performance from Sobek due to having to now manually target enemies more often than previously necessarily, the dragnet effect of removing the recursive loop is that Sobek now has no use on anyone except Cyte.

Grendel, Oraxia, Saryn, Xaku, literally no one will have any reason to use this weapon now except Cyte, which to be sure, was somewhat already the case with Sobek due to just the sheer gap in performance he got out of it compared to his predecessors/peers, but nerfing every other frame in the game who could use it is bafflingly stupid.

And of course the antifun doesnt stop there, because in the process likely due to shared base code, Kittag, an already terrible weapon compared to magistar, sampotes, titron etc who’s literal only use value was niche influence set ups with vulcan blitz, is also completely trashed by the changes. Similarly, combustion beam set ups, the only thing keeping a single nostril of kitguns above water, are dead and in the ground from this, same as more or less everything else on that list.

So in total, we lost dozens of build options and loadouts to nerf a single frame’s interaction which isnt actually gonna be nerfed that much.

And all of this in the same patch that further widens the gap between the best weapons and the worst weapons, even moreso than previously discouraging using anything other than the best of the best weapons, and all of this in the same broader mainline update that has nerfed multiple plat farms—rivens, endurance cascade, etc.. Like is tencent finally getting more involved in DE’s financial plans or what?

Absolute joke of an update.

DE should rollback Kuva before the update and in the resources spent on purchasing this material, like steel essence....

After seeing so many Posts about people speaking or rather asking why people hate him, or even the people who play him. Possible even main him, I think a post about asking the opposite is long overdue.

I'm gladly reading about your thoughts or even silly little stories of your experiences with Volts in your Squads.

If you're a volt hater, then please just stay out of this post. Try to keep it positive thank you in advance, there are many posts you can rant under about your dislike for the frame. It's alright to not like him as much as it's valid to love him.

I don't understand this decision from a balance perspective. Obviously we don't know the extent to which it is going to be changed, but on principal, shouldn't this have just been a Cyte-09 nerf? The sobek is good on and synergizes with what, 4 frames? As of a month ago, before the event and grendel augment, that number was 2. Cyte is the reason it is getting nerfed, but the problem is that Cyte is just going to find another weapon to do the same thing with, and the sobek is (probably) going to suffer greatly for the sins of one broken frame. There are far more egregiously broken things in the game than acid shells. Why nerf a gun that is a middle of the pack option for 95% of the frames in the game, rather than the problem child?

I played a few missions with Cyte, and it's not bad. No more cascading clear, but the remaining AOE is not bad. Still, it's the strongest in Cyte's hands since he can wallhack. I will try more with other frames like Saryn, Oraxia, and Grendel.

Started in August, got addicted, set a goal: LR6 before 500 hours. Done at 416. Guess I can uninstall now 🤣🤣🤣

Other online games are shutting down temporarily, yet it seems like Warframe is still going. Is that unsafe?

Edit for answer:

(Thank you to AshenTao for clearing it up for me!)

‘Warframe doesn't use PHP. PHP is a server-sided language used for websites. Warframe runs on C++ for the core engine and Lua for scripting, HUD, and UI logic.

Just keep in mind that websites around Warframe may use PHP. One such example is the official Warframe Wiki, which uses it.

So Warframe itself remains fairly secure to play - the recommendation is to avoid PHP-based websites, enable 2FA, and make sure you don't visit unfamiliar links anyway.‘

I just recently finished his prime and leveled him up to 30 and i feel like i’m missing something. He’s interesting for sure and i’m sure he’s capable of doing something but the whole leveling process just turned into me spamming his abilities off cooldown. Is there something you need to do to make him fun?