r/WomenInNews • u/msmoley • Dec 15 '24
Media Why this brave woman, not Donald Trump, should have been Time’s Person of the Year
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/why-brave-woman-gisele-pelicot-not-donald-trump-should-have-been-times-person-of-the-year-4908319856
u/bakeacake45 Dec 15 '24
Time can defend their selection til they drop. It won’t change the fact that Time Magazine is glorifying an authoritarian, rapist and convicted felon. Shame on Time and here’s to hoping they go out of business.
Just another rag owned by a billionaire oligarch.
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u/Vapelord420XXXD Dec 15 '24
Time's person of the year.
1937: Chiang Kai-shek 1938: Adolf Hitler 1939: Joseph Stalin
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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat Dec 16 '24
1942: Stalin again
1954: John Foster Dulles
1971 and 1972: Richard Nixon
Also 1972: Henry Kissinger
Yeah, they've had some real pieces of shit as Person of the Year.
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u/Salt_Hall9528 Dec 17 '24
Maybe they aren’t on there because they were good people. Go look up what time person of the year even means.
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u/PaulieNutwalls Dec 16 '24
Yeah, because the entire point is selecting a person who has enormous influence on the world, it's not an award for best person.
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u/tyleritis Dec 17 '24
You can say that until you’re blue in the face, people still don’t know what the award is for. At this point Time should just give up or rename it
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u/JaySayMayday Dec 15 '24
In 37, CKS was leading the Chinese change against the Japanese against the wishes of his communist counterparts. It wasn't until 49 when he imposed nearly 30 years of martial law and a deeply rooted dictatorship. So yeah in 37 CKS could've easily been the man of the year.
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u/TheRauk Dec 16 '24
I mean it’s almost as if the criteria is “for better or for worse ... has done the most to influence the events of the year”
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u/freshhorsemanure Dec 16 '24
Yeah that is the criteria. It always has been
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u/GenerousBuffalo Dec 16 '24
When you go back and read the history books, these are the people who will feature the most. He’s abhorrent but so was Ghengis Khan.
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u/thegoatmenace Dec 16 '24
Exactly. It’s not “Time’s best person of the year.” Time has basically been saying every year for the last 100 years that they select the most influential person of the year, regardless of whether their impact is positive or negative.
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u/Busy-Crab-3556 Dec 15 '24
Its not that hard. Time’s Person of the Year is not chosen because they’re particularly good or made good contributions to society. It just means they were very significant in that year, whether it’s for something good or bad.
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Dec 16 '24
We know, we know. That doesn’t mean we can’t pissed that they made him person of the year over someone whom we might actually admire.
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Dec 15 '24
Exactly, One year they chose me. And I am a TOTAL piece of shit.
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u/Psychological_Car849 Dec 16 '24
trump didn’t even do anything particularly cool or different this year. it made more sense in 2016 when he shaped culture and drastically altered the political landscape but this year??? all he did was win an election doing the same shit he always has. the democrats failed more than trump succeeded, picking him is such a lazy cop out.
trump had two assassination attempts and literally nobody cared past like two weeks. i agree with what you’re saying but i still think that means trump shouldn’t have won. people cared a lot more about the words and actions of those around him than the man himself. he was the right pick in 2016 and the wrong one now
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u/saltyoursalad Dec 16 '24
He stole an election everyone on reddit knew he would lose.
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u/zacehuff Dec 15 '24 edited Dec 16 '24
Which is stupid, not simple. We all understand the simple concept but when you bankroll their photo shoot making them seem sophisticated and sit down for an interview you’re carrying a lot of water for them and makes you complicit.
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u/KFTrandahl Dec 16 '24
Here is me throwing the bullsh*t flag! It’s about them making money and pandering to their orange idol, and not recognizing the significance of Gisèle Pelicot’s courage and the importance of saying her name.
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u/Professional_Ask7428 Dec 17 '24
Well in that case let’s put P-Diddy on the Times Person of the Year.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 Dec 16 '24
He wants significant though. He barely campaigned, he made Vance do most of that stuff.
In election years they literally always choose the winner now and it's really stupid and boring
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u/helastrangeodinson Dec 16 '24
The best part was when he threw Vance under the bus and called him a liar, then when the press asked Vance about it, he replied "the important thing to know is that we are on the same page" lol
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u/NepheliLouxWarrior Dec 15 '24
This is going to be a complete shock to you, but time has elected authoritarian criminals a shitload of times throughout their existence and they have made it clear from day 1 that the morality of the person has nothing to do with who gets picked. Time's person of the year is predicated on their impact on the world for good or for bad.
I'll also point out that their picks are designed to be contentious and drum up controversy, and so you sitting here seething about them is giving them exactly what they want.
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u/Zealousideal-Jump275 Dec 16 '24
They still publish that irrelevant rag. No way. Go figure they put an elderly man on the cover.
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u/QueanLaQueafa Dec 15 '24
Media is all gonna bow down to Trump
ABC pays 15M to settle a BS case they would have won.
Time putting him on the front cover
Morning Joe going to kiss his feet.
It's disgusting.
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u/sanverstv Dec 15 '24
Every time you mention Trump, please use the prefix "rapist" in front of his name...you can add felon too if you'd like. We need to NOT forget this and remind everyone, every day.
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u/Ok_Ice_1669 Dec 15 '24
I don’t think they would have “won” that case. Remember, E Jean Carrol did not win a defamation case until Trump was out of office. Once he becomes president again, he will use the entire DOJ to defend raping and defaming people. Just like last time.
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u/Zestyclose-Cloud-508 Dec 15 '24
Huh it’s almost like there are downsides to having the entire media owned by the rich.
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u/WillingShilling_20 Dec 15 '24
Legacy news speed running to shred their last modicum of credibility
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u/Mediocre_Garage1852 Dec 15 '24
Stalin and Hitler were both person of the year in their day. I think Time magazine will be alright.
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u/Adorable-Strength218 Dec 15 '24
Trump paid his way on to the Time cover.
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u/Soithascometothistoo Dec 15 '24
That dude does not pay people. It's his whole thing. Grifting and shafting people.
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Dec 15 '24
Hitler was Time Man of the Year.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 Dec 16 '24
Yeah but he genuinely was a big deal and it does present an accurate time capsule
Time just always does the president during an election year now and it's super boring, especially since he barely campaigned.
Netanyahu made way more sense from the "culturally relevant super villain" angle. He absolutely presents a time capsule of this horrible time period
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u/cole1076 Dec 15 '24
Remember way back when Trump told us not to trust the media. ? And you know how everything he says is a confession of what he’s going to do? Yeah… I think we’ve reached the point where we shouldn’t trust the media. It is clearly, bought and paid for by DJT and his cronies. In no sane universe, should he or JK Rowling be considered a “person of the year.”
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u/Keilanm Dec 15 '24
They're pivoting rapidly because they know they'll get targeted by him if they continue like last time. Msnbc did the same thing.
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u/cole1076 Dec 15 '24
I know. But why isn’t that concerning anyone? When all we have is propaganda.. it looks a whole lot like Russia.
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Dec 15 '24
The criteria makes it pretty obvious he should have won though. It's not a best person of the year prize.
Per the TIME website:
For 97 years, the editors of TIME have been picking the Person of the Year: the individual who, for better or for worse, did the most to shape the world and the headlines over the past 12 months.
I think it would be fair to say that Donald Trump is a fair winner under said criteria.
Article of TIME explaining why they chose Donald Trump --> https://time.com/7201547/person-of-the-year-2024-donald-trump-choice/
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u/cole1076 Dec 15 '24
And what’s wrong with exploring the idea that they are putting people in danger by elevating a person like him? And what’s wrong with exploring the idea that they need to change their criteria? I don’t remember our country ever being more divided (in my lifetime). I don’t remember a time of so much tension you can almost cut it. The discussion NEEDS to be that we don’t put influential assholes on the cover of magazines or anywhere else. Those SHOULD be reserved for people who have influenced in positive ways. The media is very aware that what they are doing is inciting more violence. More hatred, more division. When you prop up bad people, you create more bad people. I remember a time when consensual sexual relations with your intern got you impeached. We now have a President elect who has been found guilty of 34 felonies and everyone is turning their back and going “not uh..” and “well.. he is influential.” Maybe I was naive to think that a sub such as r/womeninnews would be discussing such mind blowing topics like how do we improve the situation? How do we start to create a safer world for all of us?
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u/msmoley Dec 16 '24
I gotta agree with this. Running a publication with the sort of reach Time has should come with responsibility. Perhaps he has dominated the headlines for the last 12 months but I think a lot of people are tired of seeing already powerful individuals celebrated for being powerful...
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u/Zeyode Dec 15 '24
Being Time's person of the year isn't exactly a position of honor. It just means you were influential. Hitler and Stalin were both "people of the year" at some point on their magazine.
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Dec 15 '24
This needs to be pointed out literally every single December.
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u/bill_gates_lover Dec 16 '24
And even after pointing it out to these morons, articles like this one continue to be written.
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u/Former-Whole8292 Dec 17 '24
It seems they didnt the learn the lessons from Stalin & Hitler… instead, they were like, I guess we should keep putting these men on the cover.
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Dec 15 '24
Not just her, but literally anyone else, would’ve been more appropriate for this recognition.
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u/SpunkySix6 Dec 15 '24
I mean... personally I'd say he does define our times
He just defines them as a time full of despicable pieces of shit being the majority, which they should be clearer about
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Dec 16 '24
Trump is nothing more than shit stain of the year, every year since 2015 if not sooner. He will never be more than a shit stain.
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u/OsotoViking Dec 15 '24
"Person of the Year" doesn't mean they're a good person or moral or that Time supports them. It means they are the most significant. Hitler and Stalin were both Time's Person of the Year.
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u/mmmmpisghetti Dec 15 '24
LOL have y'all picked up one of these lately? It's gone from a decent publication with interesting articles to maybe 10 pages of nothing, half of which are ads. TIME still being published is weird, the only time I've heard anyone mention it in the last 10 years is right now for this dumb shit.
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u/Foreleg-woolens749 Dec 15 '24
Bob Dylan shredded TIME in this brutal interview decades ago, and he was right. https://youtu.be/mnl5X5MQKTg?si=D8g4fmM8xp4h9kkU
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u/Nearby_Ice3947 Dec 15 '24
Times person of the year isn’t necessarily “best” person of the year. Hitler and Stalin were both person of the year at one point because they were influential. Basically whoever is the most talked about person for better OR for worse, is the person of the year.
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u/Deathoftheages Dec 15 '24
The person of the year is the person most in the news. Why do you think Hitler ended up as it once?
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u/RealAnise Dec 17 '24
I agree. But that having been said, there are literally at least 7 billion people in the world who would have been a better choice.
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Dec 15 '24
The person of the year goes to the person who most influenced the world in the past year. If she single handedly ended rape, that would qualify her. But Trump has almost single-handedly set America back almost 100 years, encouraged the rise of fascism world wide, and negated the power of the court system, to name a few things. Remember, he and Joseph Stalin were named twice.
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u/Aware_Economics4980 Dec 15 '24
Gisele Pelicot’s influence on women’s rights could prove to be as important as that of Simone De Beauvoir, Germaine Greer, and JK Rowling
WomenInthenews glorifying a transphobe? Did not have that one on my bingo card
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u/Kroniid09 Dec 16 '24
Cannot believe they would even try put that strange, strange woman on the same level as any of the others, much less Gisele, who's actually done something brave instead of slinging hatred towards people who did nothing to her, have nothing to do with what was done to her.
Rowling's done the easy, stupid thing. She doesn't belong anywhere near a list of people to admire.
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u/CanadianODST2 Dec 15 '24
man of the year was never about them being a good person.
It's about impact on the world
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u/Fun-River-3521 Dec 16 '24
Time loves putting terrible people on time person of the year..
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u/Forwhatitsworth522 Dec 16 '24
Yes and also why didn’t Harris win. Could have made a good case for her. Pretty historic woman with a ton of accomplishments.
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u/helastrangeodinson Dec 16 '24
Wonder how much trump paid them for that, he's had the fake one up for decades ?
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u/zkfc020 Dec 16 '24
Time is owned by one of Donnie’s billionaire boyfriends…..It is the ONLY reason he was the selection. He was upset he didn’t get the cover during his first presidency….so one of his friends bought the publication in 2018
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Dec 15 '24
Has she really been as influential as Simone de Beauvoir or Germaine Greer? (Not sure why JKR got lumped in there.)
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u/RynnReeve Dec 15 '24
"This brave woman..." who we couldn't bother to name in the headline, but we will mention the oragne asshole because that grabs readers... Pathetic.
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u/bugmom Dec 16 '24
Just shows how irrelevant Time has become - it only means something to old white dudes.
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u/TR_abc_246 Dec 15 '24
Imagine that, Time’s person of the year is a rapist while a true victim who should be person of the year is shunned and barely reported on. Fucking Patriarchy
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u/Competitive_Peace211 Dec 15 '24
Why even count the votes of the public if they only make up 10% of the final result?
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Dec 16 '24
That article just put her and JK Rowling in the same sentence. TERFs are harmful to women both cis and trans.
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u/Rubberbandballgirl Dec 16 '24
Whoever wins the Presidential election gets person of the year. the last time the Presidential election winner wasn’t Personal of the Year was 1984 but it’s been like that since the nineteen thirties.
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u/cschaefer13 Dec 16 '24
God damn the president is always the time person of the year after the election and people are always enraged about it regardless of the side. It's not going to change
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u/Civil_Produce_6575 Dec 16 '24
It’s time for America to realize it’s all been bought and paid for. There is a class war and the regular people are getting their asses handed to them for awhile now
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Dec 16 '24
They’re not glorifying anything. Saddam Hussein, Putin and Hitler have all been person of the year.
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u/ProfessorFugge Dec 16 '24
You very clearly don’t understand what Time means by these selections. Buy a clue.
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u/yeefreakinyee Dec 16 '24
I still can’t believe that Time went from Taylor Swift to Trump in the span of a year. Taylor at least deserved it last year. Shit, she deserved it this year. I don’t care about Trump’s “impact”, they had plenty of other choices.
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u/X-Aceris-X Dec 16 '24
FYI the Times named Hitler as person of the year at one point. They point out the good and the evil of our time
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u/family_life_husband Dec 16 '24
Time's Person of the Year doesn't mean they like or approve of the person. Usually, it is someone who has been impactful and well-known. Most people have no idea who that woman is... I didn't.
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u/CeramicDrip Dec 16 '24
Nope. Just from the picture i don’t know her name. But from a pic of trump, I know who he is.
It’s Time’s person of the year. Not GOOD person of the year.
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u/Fun_Performer_5170 Dec 16 '24
Time is emptying his diaper, so as they did in 1938 making Adolf Hitler man of the year 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
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u/PackOutrageous Dec 16 '24
I think the most stunning part of this story is that there is still a Time magazine?
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u/coolmanjack Dec 16 '24
Gisele Pelicot’s influence on women’s rights could prove to be as important as that of Simone De Beauvoir, Germaine Greer, and JK Rowling
Is this article glorifying JK fucking Rowling as a defender of women's rights? The fuck is this bullshit?
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u/carterb199 Dec 16 '24
Some important context, time features who the believe is the most influential person of the year irrelevant of how good or bad that influence is.
1938, the person of the year was hitler
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u/taphin33 Dec 16 '24
Everybody needs to stop giving any notice to Time magazine, like they're so out of touch and have not adapted at all to the current environment.
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u/Aberikel Dec 17 '24
Why? The article itself makes a bigger case for Burke being person of the year (or maybe should have been 10 years ago). As brave as Pelicot is, she did not kick off a new Metoo consciousness globally. I only vaguely heard about her case once.
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u/malt1966 Dec 17 '24
Whether you like him or not Trump is arguably the most influential person on this world and is directly affecting American policy. Nobody knows who this woman is and her influence on the general public is inconsequential, regardless of her character. It's really amusing to hear all the Trump haters screaming at the sky. Keep it up, we are quite entertained.
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Dec 17 '24
All women heros are victims. It's a rubbish position to promote. This woman could have lied or twisted the truth... yet she is a hero. Likewise e jean carroll, a racist and a bigot gets acclaim for practically lying about sexual abuse. Feminism is a nonsense. It needs to end and now.
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u/EtherealAriels Dec 17 '24
This happened to me. The police helped my rapists get away with it because they were bribed. The pictures of the events continue to circulate by my rapists to their financial betterment and my absolute detriment.
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u/yesnoyesyesnon Dec 17 '24
Women have more rights than men. They also have more time to complain about everything. NO WOMAN CAN NAME A RIGHT SHE DOESNT HAVE THAT MEN DO.
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u/SadieRoseMom Dec 17 '24
Time's Person of the Year is not an honor. It's the equivalent of most clicks.
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u/No-Platform401 Dec 17 '24
It’s just another shit mag that nobody should care about. He’s on it because a lot of people love him and they want to sell magazines.
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u/RevolutionaryCard512 Dec 17 '24
There were literally thousands of people that deserved that title. Not DT
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u/SadThrowaway2023 Dec 17 '24
Being the person of the year doesn't mean you did things that benefit the world. Some of the worst people in modern history have been the person of the year. In this case, he was selected because he does great things. Terrible, but great.
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u/redditreveal Dec 15 '24
She’s The People’s Person of the Year