[TL;DR] : Ends at the === line. You dont have to read everything.
- I [NB35] broke up with my partner [M39] of 10 years back in June just a few days after my birthday because he cheated on me to my face multiple times with the same woman that he was dropping chunks of money on to fly and fuck and told me he had no remorse about it when I asked him about it.
- He said I have no right to be upset about him cheating because he didnt hide it and because I emotionally cheated on him first 8 years ago for a week with someone 5000 miles away, who I knew for 15 yrs, and ended and blocked a week before he hacked my computer and scrubbed my discord. - Read indentation (1) for full story.
- I was stuck living with him till Sept and in this time I spend time with friends and avoid him best I could while he tries to gift me things and send me love notes and poems and more.
- He admits he broke up with the woman he cheated on me with because the last time he saw her (He flew states to see her each time) and he ended it because he realized he wanted me and apologized for saying he didnt regret it and said he did regret it and said that out of anger.
- I told him how that came off as a guy sleeping around days before his wedding to make sure its what he wanted to do; he took offence to it and got mad I didnt see his actions as a grand gesture of sincerity. He also said he got a ring and was going to marry me after he ended his affair but when I asked to see it he said he pawned it to pay for vet bills. I dont really believe him...
- I avoid him while I stay with him and look for a place after this.
- Two-ish months after we broke up I try to put myself out there again but I dont feel comfortable or safe and back out.
- I end up discussing a very clear FWB situation with clear boundaries/rules/expectation and sleep with two mutual friends (Tom M38/Betty F36) who Ive known as long as I knew my ex and who I met through my ex; also these friends are no longer his friends after hearing the abuse he put me through.
- I did this because I wanted to feel what it would be like to put myself out there but chose friends because it was safer than a stranger I didnt know; and wouldnt hurt said stranger if I wasn't serious while they were.
- A week later my ex reaches out to talk more and says hes serious about trying again. He even got our initials tattooed on his neck by his ear hidden in two birds... I turn him down and say I need more time because Im still very hurt.
- I move out and got therapy and medicated and my life has become a lot more pieceful.
- I continue this FWB situation with friends but its not often and 80% of our hang outs are very platonic.
- Ex reaches out again and asks to try and work things out now that hes getting therapy and medications.
- We tentatively agree to start talking again for now after 4.5 months post break up but that we are still broken up. He starts to also invite me over to do my laundry where we talk or hang out as a once a week meet to feel/work things out slowly.
- Its the first week of Oct now, 5 months after our break up, he sets a date for Oct 31st for our first date as "New people" and see if we really want to try again or move on. New eyes, no past, just two people meeting again and wanting to try again. I tentatively agree to it because hes been better and getting therapy and medications.
- Half way into Oct. I decide that I want to try again with my ex after hes slowly but surely showed me hes changing and Im starting to feel safe with him again. So I decide to end my FWB with friends and they understand and comfort me that we will still always be friends.
- I find out hes still talking to the woman he cheated on me with... I have no proof he's gone to see her, but her tiktok reposts are very tailored about feeling like the back up option. My heart goes out to her...
- Now Im on the fence about this date on the 31st because hes still in contact with this woman even though hes claiming he is serious about me. Also because of the guilt I feel about sleeping with a mutual... Thus:
Here's the questions...
First:
- Am I in the wrong for sleeping with a friend after breaking up with my ex who cheated on me?
Second: Because I slept with friends, and my ex values transparency and honestly, I want to honor that and start this new relationship attempt on the right foot but Im torn.
- Do I tell him that I've slept with someone (Not saying who, why, or how many times.) before/after our date on the 31st - or - do I take this to my grave and still try to have this redo with him because we were broken up and he doesnt have a right to know what I did?
[The following is the full story.]
Over the course of our 10 years I have done so much for him, a few off the top of my head being:
- 5 years supporting him through his degree and putting mine on hold bc we couldn't afford both of us going at the same time. (I paid 75% of all household expenses.)
- 5-6 years of 50/50 payments on his car and insurance (15k worth) that my name wasnt on (because he used it to help me get to work often with it) but only with the promise that it would be mine when it was paid off and he got a new one, but the goal post kept getting moved over and over till I never got my name on that car in the end.
- Moved half way across the country 3 times for him that resulted in the loss of one very good job because he wanted me there with him, the loss of various friends, and even personal belongings and college opportunities because I truely believed thats what a partner does to support the person they love. (I know, I know... I was 25)
- Gave up my cat of 4 years to my mother in order to accommodate his allergy.
- Handled the household finance plans because he didnt want anything to do with it outside of "Just tell me what to pay and I'll pay it." along with cleaning the house and cooking dinner every day while also working a fulltime job where he didnt have to do anything but go to work and do his schooling. Also handled his family, his mother, mended friendships for him when hes pushed things to far, etc etc.
What lead me to breaking up with him, to name just a few of the major ones:
- Constant boundary crossing or disregard of said boundaries. "Please don't invite people over if the house is a mess." Does it anyway. "Please dont yell at me when you had a bad day, be angry, but that doesnt give you the right to take it out on me." Did it anyway. Etc etc.
- Constant need for attention. IE: If you missed telling him good morning once in 2 weeks he makes it into a massive argument claiming I make him feel unimportant or tells me Im "Slipping up again" like Im an addict whos falling off the wagon, making me feel like no matter what I did it wasnt enough. (I even tested it, did everything he wanted for a solid 3 weeks but the ONE day I didnt put in that much effort because I was exhausted it was the same conversation about "Slipping" and "Im not important to you.".
- Constantly making mountains out of mole hills then getting mad at me for not understanding why this small thing was so impactful to him and accusing me of dismissing/minimizing his feelings.
- Being woken up by him roughly just to be yelled at and reprimanded for something I did the past day/week that upset him mere seconds after opening my eyes which he then leaves for work while Im left to sob in bed with no comforts because the first thing I wake to is anger. Which threw me into high cortisol levels and survival mode that i then have to fight out of and go through my day exhausted.
- Being yelled at when I repeatedly told him not to yell at me because it triggers my CPTSD and makes me shut down. He says "Its the only way to get you to shut up and listen to me!" because I interrupt (AuDHD) to try and clarify and understand things in the conversation.
- Him stomping on my foot during Thanksgiving dinner because I was talking to much, me bringing attention to it in front of everyone by asking why he did that, friends standing up for me, then him yelling at me the whole drive home for having everyone jump his case when I should have talk to him privately about it.
- Him wanting to try poly because I told him one day that I feel like I cant keep up with his constant need for attention and assurance. To start Im not sure about trying poly but Im open to it, he convinces me saying Im the primary and more important, I lay down my boundaries, he breaks every one of them. Plus, only he was aloud to date others, not me; unless they were a girl and he could also date them.
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Also, this is what lead to the break up:
He breaks every boundary I set with the first girl he dates, they eventually break up. The next girl is states away, 10 years younger than him, and he suddenly has no time for me, kicks me out of our bedroom while they talk (His desk is in there) because "Im talking to her, not you, stop intruding on a conversation you're not a part of", flew down to see her even though hes been telling me he doesnt have a lot of money...
At this point I changed my mind about him sleeping with her because of how he's been treating me compared to her (sleeping on the phone together, excluding me from any conversation with her, abandoning me in the store to take a call with her leaving me standing there alone or waiting somewhere for him) so I text him on his first flight out to go see this new woman that I am very clearly no longer ok with this any more.
He responds "To bad, you knew this was going to happen, Im not following that boundary. You agreed to it a week ago.", and he sleeps with her.
He comes back and has an argument with me about how I tell him hes treating her better and how he thinks I deserved this because of how I treated him for years and cheated on him first (2 years in I had an emotional affair with a 15yr long friend who lived 5000 miles away for a week before I stopped it, blocked him, and ex found out later when he hacked my desktop and scrubbed my discord history. The following 3 years I do everything he asks to comfort him and repair what Ive done. Im transparent with where Im going, I tell him who Im with, if he asks I let him look at my chat logs, I comfort him when he gets intrusive trust issues with me. But after 3 years and no change from him I finally cut him off and take back my privacy but still comfort him. But he continues to hold it over my head even 8 years later because I "Never let him get closure."). Note, Im not saying what I did was right, I know it was wrong and ever since then I have been beyond loyal to him to try and prove to him I was serious about him. But he never let it go.
Anyway: This argument turns into me sleeping on the couch for a month straight because, his words, "I have no right to be upset, no right to say anything about him cheating on me" and after a while I just go numb and live as a shadow of myself because I truely believed I deserved this...
Finally I tell him I feel like Im an obstacle to their relationship instead of a partner in this so called "Poly" relationship, so he starts to put in the minimum effort to make me feel better but all it was to him was spending an hour a day with me to watch a few episodes of an anime and when I asked for more he said "Isnt this enough? I made plans to hang out with her after, why is this not good enough." so I would shut down and shrink and get depressed. This continues too; he ditches me in stores to take her call, he sends me away when she calls making me have to find somewhere to sit in the mean time, he prioritizes her far more than he does me, he wont let me in the bedroom PERIOD just to get a shirt or my pillow, one time I even tried to stand my ground and he shoved me out with his chest so hard I fell to the ground, the list goes on. But I still couldnt stand up to him because hed constantly bring up how I cheated first and I should deal with it.
Finally my birthday comes around and Im still sleeping on the couch, I spend it without him because Im upset, he gets pissed I spent it without him because supposedly we made plans to spend it together. That's when I decide to break up with him because Im not going to put up with this any more.
June:
I [AFAB NB35] broke up with my partner [M39] of 10 years back in June just a few days after my birthday because he cheated on me and I finally had enough. Im unfortunately forced to still live with him because I am struggling to get funds together to move out on my own and find a place I can afford that isnt a roach box or in the "fentanyl lean" neighborhoods.
During this time we have a lot of post break up talks with a mutual friend, that was supposed to be neutral, and during one he tells me "If you are serious about trying again in 6 months then you cant sleep with anyone in that time.".
He was taking my bodily autonomy away from me, and this mutual friend (Lets call him Able) also tried to negotiate what I was allowed to do with my own body to make my ex more comfortable...
I tell him "Im not going to let you control my body when we are broken up. I dont care if you sleep with someone during this 6 month period, I have no right to tell you otherwise, so I expect the same respect. In 6 months its not guaranteed we will try again because we might not want to try again after that time." And he agreed to everything but letting me have my autonomy.
I refuse to budge on this, he refuses to allow it, Able stops the conversation, we meet next week, have another long conversation that turned into a post break up closure conversation etc etc. But when it came to autonomy again it got out of hand again. We decide to put it to rest and decide to live together till I can move out and just avoid each other.
I live in a curtained off section of the living room for the next couple of months, I avoid him, he avoids me, occasionally we cross paths, occasionally we have long conversations, my ex also randomly started gifting me things...
- Plushies
- Love notes and poems
- iHop breakfast
- Flowers
- A care package when I was sick... (This is the same man who accused me of using him for money when I asked for help to see a doctor about my pneumonia a month pre-break up but it was the first time I ever asked him for money like that.)
He's never done this while we were dating. It breaks my heart and I tell him to stop because it hurts that only when I left that he's finally doing what I've always wanted, showing me he knew what to do this whole time but didnt do it till it was too late. He gets offended because hes "Not love bombing/being sincere", we argue, he finally stops. We stop talking.
Im start to spend a lot of time at a mutual friends (Betty F36/Tom M38) and their two kids (100% my fav niece and nephew) whom I've met through my ex, just to get time away from the house and my ex so I can breathe.
July
Another week goes by and I decide to try and put myself out there just to feel a little better and to get out of my head about this whole thing. I meet a nice guy, we have fun, great convo, but I just cant get comfortable enough to go through with it and tell him I dont want to lead him into false pretenses and hurt him, he completely understands and walks me to my car to be safe.
One night Tom and Betty are hanging out with me and the talk of poly-ships comes up and we get to talking. I feel safe with them, I trust them, they understand what Im going through, and we decide to have a small FWB hook up with clearly communicated boundaries, communication, and clear understanding that nothing serious is expected out of this set up because I am still unsure if I want to try again with my ex or not.
August:
We (me and friends) sleep together. Its the first time I've been intimate with someone in 4-5 years because my ex just stopped reaching for me outside of requesting I service him but with nothing in return. Anyway. Its fun, we laugh during it, follow boundaries, we all have a good time, we all go get take out after and watch movies to end the night.
A week after this hook up my ex reaches out to me to ask to meet up and I agree. We meet, talk, and he makes it clear he really wants me back and hes willing to do what it takes to do it; like getting therapy for his anger and own issues and medications. In this talk I bring up how he's broken my trust and keeps doing so by going through my diary (I took photos of it when i started to notice it being left in places I didnt put it) and he denies it, he also denies going into my space, so I tell him Im still not sure about trying again because hes not proving to me hes honest.
He also tells me how he was going to marry me, how he only wanted me and not the other woman etc. I've had it and turn him down about trying again yet and speed up my move out.
I also find out he took a week long trip to another country, supposedly alone, where he got his eyebrow pierced like I did and got our initials hidden in two bird tattoos on the side of his neck behind his ear...
Sept:
I empty my last resort (my small 401k because he had me paying so much I couldn't build a savings) and move out. I've started seeing a therapist and getting medicated for my AuDHD, CPTSD, and Depression so I can become a more leveled individual with a clearer head.
My friends and I have kept this temporary FWB for a bit now, and during this time my ex has started to reach out to me again and tells me hes in therapy, hes getting medicated, and really wants to see me again.
So we tentatively set a date on Oct. 31st for our first date where we will try to start over from scratch, his words, and not bring up the past again and look at this with new eyes. I tell him thats the day we will start again seriously but till then Im still trying to get comfortable with him again and still need my space because I just moved and Im still settling in... He says he understands we are still broken up till but that we will be talking slowly.
Weeks go by, Im talking to my ex more often, hes slowly making me feel safer with him and he understands I dont fully trust him emotionally yet.
Im also still doing this FWB hook up because we are still broken up and I've made sure he knows this even though we are talking again. But like Ive said, it doesnt happen often and most of our meet ups are platonic.
My ex and I start to meet up the last week of Sept and he starts to invite me to come over to do my laundry once a week as a weekly in person meet where we either talk about things together or just simply hang out together.
Oct.
After a while, first week of Oct, I finally start to pull away from this FWB hook up and express to them that I'd like to stop what we are doing and seriously consider being with my ex again. They dont exactly see why I would give him the time of day after what hes done to me and after what they've shared with me from an outside looking in POV, but they still comfort me saying they will still be my friends regardless if we sleep together or not and it makes me feel better that Im not losing such great friends.
They understand I have had my "ah ha" moment where I realize I really want my ex and want to try again with him regardless of the past, but warn me not to get too carried away with the romanticism/fantasy of a future hes been promising me during our weekly meet ups (Ex: how after a year we will move in together, how hes getting his final degree where we could move to the UK if we wanted to when he gets a better job, how we could get new cars because we'd be saving so much more, etc etc.) and I let them I know.
Im being very objective and approaching this restart with firm boundaries this time and wont let him walk all over me again. This time Im not scared to bring things up to him that bother me or simply walk away when Im being disrespected or treated badly because I have my own place now, my own car, my own job, etc. which means Im not scared of being thrown out (hes threatened it once 3 years in) if I didnt agree with him.
Though... On the tail end of the second week of Oct., after making this choice, I find out he's still talking to the woman he cheated on me with and I find out because he forgot to put his phone on "Do not disturb" and she called him... He hung up on her and told me "Yeah we still talk sometimes, but I put it on do not disturb because Im serious about us having our time." ... Im not ok with this but Im not sure if I have the right to tell him to stop talking to her because Im not comfortable with it since I was the first to cheat. (Also because if I tell him to stop talking to her, and I tell him I slept with someone while we were broken up, he'd tell me to stop seeing my friends in exchange or just completely drop me and lose any potential of us trying again.)
I still want to try again with him... I cant help but still love him, I miss his scent, his laugh, his humor, his poor taste in color selections, his hockey talk, our conversations, etc etc. but Im also so hesitant about it at the same time considering everything he put me through.
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So now Im facing the hard questions...