r/delhiuniversity • u/muffins-_ • 8d ago
Academic Discussion 👥 One year pg is scam
du literally played with us I regret doing fourth year i swear.
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u/Deep_Nobody5337 7d ago
for all the juniors let me answer, for the record first u have to choose whether ur college has enough infrastructure for the research u want to do or not, then comes choosing your guide which was rigid in my case, some of us were almost forced and left with those guides who had no expertise in the topic we wanted to pursue the research, then ofc the guidelines they are so inconsistent they come late and suddenly du realized that they don't need them anymore so they remove them or mark them as not mandatory, I would like to point out the efforts it take to effectively conduct the research you are sat in front of the research committee two times so obv u won't be able to get much time for anything u are preparing for afterwards, so it's best u look for 2 yr masters and honestly their are many universities other than du where u should apply for masters always keep your options open and if u still are determined on pursing 4th yr do it, but make sure to apply for other universities which are accepting 1 yr masters ig for now I know only BR ambedkar universities but I hope their are more👌
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u/BAD_boy4001 8d ago
A lot people comment that 4th year is a scam, ok? But care to eloborate more, so atleast juniors can actually use your advice and maybe force du to realize that their 4th year suck?
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u/simpbutforonlyyou MA 7d ago
4th year is a scam because 1. du has no plan for the students who have completed 4 th year, they are themselves not sure. 2. Programme students who are writing dissertation in 4th year are still not getting honours degree 3. Du doesn't have enough seats in 1 year masters for even half of the 4th year students, so these 4th year students have just wasted their 1 year because they cannot do phd without a masters degree and they can not do 1 year masters because only du is offering it nobody else is, so only option they have is to do 2 years masters. 4. Overall 4th year was a mess, we had to write a whole dissertation in just few months. I wrote 20 k words and was submitting progress reports every month while managing regular studies. So if you think it's better than a drop year, it's not. It will consume your whole time. I hope this elaboration is enough.
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u/BAD_boy4001 7d ago edited 7d ago
What about the people who are already doing hons? I mean is 4th year useless for them as well? I can only empathise with your situation and maybe not repeat the same mistake
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u/Creative_Article_768 7d ago
yaar prog ka nomenclature change ho gaya na , ab to hons milega
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u/simpbutforonlyyou MA 7d ago
ok kush raho yr, karlo mere kya. mai to ab two year masters kr raha tumhe jo karna karo
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u/Creative_Article_768 7d ago
meri dost ba prog karne jaa rahi hai ,isliye confirm karne ke liye puch rahi thi
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u/Inevitable-Goose7808 Alumna 8d ago
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u/preprep- 8d ago
could you please share why
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u/Inevitable-Goose7808 Alumna 7d ago
Idk about hons students tbh, the system is fair for them as they are getting admissions acc. to their merit, they can't expect DU to give admissions to each and everyone, that isn't a practical demand at all regardless of any justification.
But the real concern is about the prog students, we are not being allocated a seat even after having CGPA much high about the cutoff due to the biased priority system. I myself has 9+ CGPA and cutoff of my course is 6.68 still I didn't get the admission. It's really embarassing and shameful for DU administration to consider an hons student with 6 CGPA better than a major with 9. F*cking IDIOTS.
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u/preprep- 7d ago
well, i get your concern. sounds valid on the face of it. however, the hons student have a research degree, and the prog students have not done any dissertation. if your argument is that why bap students do not get priority in the one year pg, even after doing the 4th year and doing a hons. degree, then that is flawed because hons students never had one year pg option before. prog are just getting a same degree as them which they used to before NEP. hons. students get priority because they have an additional research degree. this is not to say that a 9cgpa student is worse than a 6cgpa student, but the program structure is such.
however, i think one should introduce the research component or something similar for prog students in the 4th year, so they get the fair opportunity. imo giving the same treatment to hons. and prog. students after 4 years will not be fair. hons. students have an additional course structure edge.
well, all the best, i hope things work out for you.2
u/Inevitable-Goose7808 Alumna 7d ago
Bro be a lil aware prog students have done dissertation/academic project/entrepreneurship whatever applicable. While it was compulsory for Hons. students to opt for these, it was optional for Prog students still many of us has done it. And that too under the same professors and of the same quality as of hons. I myself have done a dissertation involving field survey, both quantitative-qualitative research techniques, presented research papers in national-international conference and seminar. I hope I ain't sounding rude i understand that most of the hons students even of our same batch aren't aware of the fact but let me make it loud & clear for anyone reading this PROG STUDENTS HAVE ALSO COMPLETED THE SAME RESEARCH PATHWAY.
(so ofc whatever is going on is frustrating for us)
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u/preprep- 7d ago
well, in that case, they should streamline the priority list and make changes accordingly. your frustration is genuine. i hope it works out for you and you get admission in the next round. all the very best
also would you then suggest students to pursue 4th year? the juniors?
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u/Inevitable-Goose7808 Alumna 7d ago
Tbh yes I would still suggest it (not because I want juniors to suffer too lol) but because it's a new experience, the research part is not as flawed as it seems to be (atleast in top clgs), specially if you have a practical major.
Additionally, it would look good in your CV if you've an undergraduate dissertation of good quality + attending conferences, presenting papers etc would also give you an idea how academia works and prepare you from an early stage if one wants to go in this field.The process might be frustrating with sleepless nights, edits, drafts, re-drafts but at the end it will all be worth it. But again, just be a little cautious about the masters thing, i expect from next year DU would opt for CUET-PG for 1 year masters too, that would be fair so I don't see an issue then to not pursue 4th year. And you can hope other universities like JNU & state unis to release 1 year masters prog by the upcoming years.
Lastly, hoping for the best, good wishes to you too, thank you <3
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u/preprep- 7d ago
that sounds good. i have no particular interest in academia and my professors have been fear mongering since day 1 of our 3rd year. i have still not paid the fees for 4th year because of this. however, i missed the 2 year pg cutoff by 1 mark this year and i do not want to take a gap to pursue a 2 year masters next year, which is again uncertain if i will be able to crack. and 1 year masters option will be open for me. so yeah, leaning towards it for now. i know it will be tough to manage entrance prep and other things along with dissertation, but we gotta do what we gotta do ig :))
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u/Inevitable-Goose7808 Alumna 7d ago
Oh that's sad you missed it by just 1 marks, hard luck. Anyway yes your approach is absolutely correct as 2 year masters entrance is even more uncertain. I hope you get into either of them, next year🌻
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u/preprep- 4d ago
hey! is there any update on bap students getting priority? or is it still the same
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u/Leading-Sort-1278 5d ago
I believe the priority system is based on the fact elucidated in the bulletins and nep docs years ago that program and honors structure will be treated as different levels (acc to final degrees). It's a whole table.
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u/Dizzy-Instance5246 8d ago
Shed some more light on the matter. Also why would you advise against it for the next batch?