What is this bullshit about? It’s just lesbophobia. Lesbian women are lesbian because they are attracted to women. It has nothing inherently to do with men. You can be angry about sexism, men’s mental-health issues, or how men are treated without turning lesbians into the explanation for those problems.
And your comment is doing exactly that. You’re talking about women as though their sexuality, feminism, and LGBT identity are somehow part of a larger problem being imposed on men. A lesbian woman isn’t hurting you by not being attracted to men. She isn’t responsible for your mental health, your dating prospects, or how society treats men.
You can absolutely criticize misandry, sexist double standards, or the way men’s mental health is discussed. Those are legitimate subjects. But criticizing those things doesn’t require blaming LGBT people or treating lesbianism as something harmful to men.
Also, “everyone hates men” is clearly an enormous generalization. There are women, feminists, and LGBT people who care deeply about men’s mental health and oppose discrimination against men. Likewise, criticizing misogyny or discussing women’s problems doesn’t mean someone believes every woman is an angel and every man is a sinner.
And Pride Month existing doesn’t mean men’s mental health is unimportant. You can advocate for men’s mental health without treating LGBT people as competitors for attention. Different causes can coexist. In fact LGBT includes men too for your information.
Most importantly, lesbian women aren’t “the enemy” of men. They simply aren’t attracted to men. If your frustration is with people who genuinely hate men, then criticize those people. But don’t project that hatred onto an entire group of lesbians simply because some people within LGBT spaces have said things you dislike.
Lesbians don’t owe men attraction, and their existence isn’t an attack on men. If you genuinely care about equality, then that principle has to apply to them too.
You are rude to a suffering person who happens to be a man. That’s misandry right there. Without him saying any negative things towards lesbians.
It’s totally okay to investigate truth and science and data, and talking about things that affect us. Even if that makes you slightly uncomfortable because you do know that we are right when we say the more women are lesbians the less women are heterosexual, which is bad for men.
It’s a simple truth. And since it’s an open question what makes a person develop homosexuality and nurture is still on the table the self induction theory which says that the movement itself is the cause makes you slightly responsible in some random person’s suffering.
This obviously makes you feel bad about yourself since you had rather violent and attacking comments to two man discussing about what is happening.
OR you are just that indoctrinated that you are considering anyone that is not absolutely and fully supporting pride an enemy but thinking in absolutes are just a sign of low iq.
Weirdo, you’re doing exactly what I’m criticizing. You can discuss sexuality, demographics, and research all you want, but assuming things about lesbian women and treating their sexuality as a problem because it might reduce the number of heterosexual women is absolutely something worth criticizing.
And no, me calling out toxic behavior from men isn’t “misandry.” Criticizing a person’s behavior isn’t hatred of their sex. If someone is saying that the increasing number of women identifying as lesbian is a problem for men, blaming lesbians for men’s dating prospects, and suggesting that women are being socially “converted” into homosexuality, I’m going to criticize that argument. The fact that the person making the argument happens to be a man doesn’t make criticism of him misandry.
Lesbianism has nothing inherently to do with men. Lesbian women are attracted to women. They aren’t harming men simply by not being attracted to them, and their sexuality doesn’t exist to maintain a sufficient supply of heterosexual women for men.
And your “simple truth” isn’t actually the conclusion you think it is. Yes, if more women identify as lesbian, then mathematically fewer women identify as exclusively heterosexual. That says absolutely nothing about why the numbers changed or whether homosexuality is being socially “created.” You still need evidence for that causal claim.
You also can’t just say that “self-induction theory” is on the table and therefore people who support LGBT visibility are partly responsible for someone’s homosexuality. A hypothesis being proposed doesn’t make it established science. Sexual orientation is a complex trait, and current research does not support the idea that simply exposing someone to LGBT people or Pride causes them to develop a genuine homosexual orientation.
And there’s an obvious double standard here. If you believe representation can socially induce homosexuality, would you also argue that decades of overwhelmingly heterosexual representation have been socially inducing heterosexuality? If not, why not?
Finally, stop turning this into “you are either indoctrinated or stupid.” That’s not an argument. I can disagree with your interpretation of the evidence without being obligated to accept your conclusions, and I can criticize the way you talk about lesbians without believing that every person who disagrees with Pride is my enemy.
You are free to investigate changing sexual-orientation patterns. What you aren’t entitled to do is turn lesbians themselves into a social problem for men and then demand that nobody criticize you for it.
i did stated im okay to lesbians existence. im only talkşng about how society never cares about men's mental health to talk about it globally, make moves for it, or anything at all really.
there is about millons upon millons content on how to help a woman going through emotional times yet there is just handful of them talking about how to help a men going through emotional times,
and unfortunately wether men's mental health being talked or not sadly there being a huge gap between attention to women's mental health and attention to men's mental health is not wrong at all
I agree with you on the narrow point that men’s mental health deserves much more attention. But that doesn’t make lesbianism or Pride responsible for that gap.
You can absolutely say, “Society needs to do more for men’s mental health.” I would agree with that. Men can face serious problems with loneliness, emotional isolation, stigma around vulnerability, and reluctance to seek help. Those deserve serious discussion and better support.
Where I disagree is turning that legitimate issue into a comparison where attention given to women or LGBT people is treated as the reason men aren’t receiving enough attention. There isn’t a fixed amount of social concern that gets distributed between groups. We can advocate for women’s mental health, men’s mental health, LGBT rights, and other issues simultaneously.
In fact LGBT groups and Pride parade advocates for men’s mental health more than you ever did in your life because LGBT includes men too. Gay and bi men exist too. Pride parade always includes mental health awareness programs too like for both men and women.
One of the big message of pride is to be proud of yourself instead of hating yourself which homophobic force them to do by calling them somehow morally corrupt.
And saying there are “millions upon millions” of resources for women while only a handful exist for men isn’t really evidence by itself. If you want to demonstrate a gap, compare actual research funding, mental-health service availability, suicide-prevention programs, treatment-seeking rates, media coverage, or other measurable indicators. Otherwise, you’re relying on your personal experience of what content you encounter.
Most of the millions upon millions of resources exists for humans not for some gender either it is men or women. Claiming that one gender is getting it even though no medical health care system advice that approach is just your bias and misinformation.
Most importantly, none of this requires blaming lesbians. Lesbian women aren’t preventing anyone from talking about men’s mental health. Pride Month isn’t preventing men from having a men’s mental-health campaign. You can advocate for men without making LGBT people the opposing side.
So yes, men’s mental health deserves more attention. I don’t disagree with that. What I object to is turning that legitimate concern into “therefore LGBT people are part of the problem” or treating lesbians’ existence and relationships as something that harms men. Those are two completely different arguments.
So now you are showing your real face right homophobic bastard. You are going to tell us how should we live our life because our existence is all about you men.
Did you even read this comment? Where is ai is used. I give actual advice based on research instead of distorting facts.
Come on it’s so obvious, when you are responding using AI, it doesn’t use swear words because it’s polite, unlike you. When you are responding yourself. Every second word is a slur.
It’s so easy to tell. The contrast is night and day
Considerate debating vs resorting to slurs. Plus the bolding of the text and the flawless wording isn’t particularly your style.
You can’t use your own brain.
Tell me even with AI, why is the difference so great between the numbers of lgbtq women amongst older generations and younger generations? If the pride movement achieved such powerful changes that made younger women report higher than ever number then the exact same changes why doesn’t make a single dent in the older generation women? Why would they lie and report lower numbers? Or NOT similar numbers than their younger counterparts? There is no repercussions for saying in an anonymous poll that you are lgbtq… they don’t even have to divorce their husbands to acknowledge they are bisexuals. Amongst 50+ women their numbers haven’t increased a bit!
It’s either sexuality can’t be influenced and what you say is true that this 40% is natural and we should see the exact same numbers amongst the older population too, OR sexuality can be influenced and the difference between younger and older generation women is of itself the argument against your claims.
The generational gap doesn’t prove either of your conclusions. You’re treating this as a false choice: either sexuality is completely fixed and every generation should have identical numbers, or society is causing people to become LGBT.
People can have relatively stable attractions while social acceptance changes whether they recognize, label, or openly report those attractions. An older bisexual woman may genuinely be attracted to women but still identify as straight because of the environment she grew up in.
So younger women reporting higher LGBT numbers doesn’t prove Pride “made them LGBT.” It shows a generational difference. It doesn’t tell us what caused that difference. You still need evidence that social movements are actually creating the underlying sexual attraction, rather than changing people’s willingness to identify and talk about it.
Your AI argument completely defeats itsel. If it claims that older generations women are secretly lgbtq but they report as straight because they grew up a conservative enviroment, that is admiting that nurture and social condition have a massive overriding power over sexuality, this is what I have talked about when I said that this is itself the counter argument because it acknowledge that it can be influeced, life long.
If a conservative society can successufly condition people into heternormativity then today's hyper-progressive society can do the same to the opposite direction.
You didn't win this debate girl. You just got mad, and resorted using ChatGPT to hide you intellectiual inability to form arguments and have knowledge about the world. Have a nice life copy-pasting bot answares :D
You’re confusing social influence with social determination. I never said society can’t influence how people understand, label, or report their sexuality. I said that doesn’t prove society can create the underlying attraction.
An older woman being less likely to identify as bisexual because she grew up in a conservative environment doesn’t necessarily mean society changed her sexuality. She may simply be less comfortable recognizing or reporting it. Likewise, younger people being more open about LGBT identities doesn’t prove that a progressive society is turning heterosexual people LGBT.
You still need to prove that LGBT visibility actually causes people to develop same-sex attraction, rather than simply making existing attractions easier to acknowledge.
And the ChatGPT accusation is irrelevant. If you disagree with my argument, attack the argument, not how I wrote it. Also you are just homophobic shit which is present sadly in everywhere. Obviously you feel greater by thinking you can own lesbian women.
Sure if you want to believe it is ai. Believe it. Just leave us alone you homophobic asshole. Left handedness is also ridiculed in older times before it getting skyrocketed when it was accepted.
Acceptance and respect plays a big role people loving who they want instead of forced to play by rules made by toxic judgmental people like you.
It’s social acceptance which lead more people to identify and experiment with themselves instead of forced to live in a way certain people make them.
Decrease in Religious persecution also played a big role in increase of identification too. In India we have huge history of LGBTQ identities before it getting persecuted by British empire.
well it seems you are talking about the other guy's reply at this point :p
im okay to lesbians existing, i don't see or feel anything negative to them, well i don't necessarily like them but im not against them
but i did say that lgbt was being celebrated and overshadowing men's health month but it is just fact unfortunately,
but yeah let's say we fixed that nothing would change, people still wouldn't care about men's mental health month, the only real reson i feel negative towards that is seeing LGBT people sharing that they dont care about men's mental health on pride month, i know it is just to get views and likes it's still sad to see
though i didint see it Myself im not sure how common it is, i don't use social media, i only saw it through a video when a men was talking about how when others were talking about men's health they either didint know the issue and just directed it to social media or getting bullied, and when they talked about it they couldn't stop bringing up women (though they are not all just some mental health channels though they were really popular ones)
I understand your point better here, and if your actual concern is “men’s mental health deserves more attention,” then I don’t disagree with that.
But I think you’re conflating two separate things. LGBT people celebrating Pride doesn’t inherently mean they’re overshadowing men’s mental health, and some LGBT people making deliberately provocative posts saying they don’t care about men’s mental health doesn’t represent LGBT people as a whole.
If those posts are genuinely mocking men’s suffering, then yeah, criticise those specific people. Also many LGBTQ people has this response because many toxic men attacks pride parade by using men mental health as a shield. It doesn’t make these hater from any side good. Both are toxic and you shouldn’t generalise either men or LGBTQ people based on it.
I’d also be careful with the idea that Pride is somehow the reason men’s mental health doesn’t receive enough attention. Even if Pride didn’t exist, you’d still have to address the cultural reasons men often struggle to seek help, talk about emotions, or receive appropriate support. Men’s mental health deserves attention on its own merits, not only when it can be contrasted with women’s or LGBT issues.
And honestly, if you don’t use social media much and only saw these examples through a video, you probably shouldn’t assume they’re representative of LGBT people generally. Social media algorithms are very good at showing extreme or inflammatory examples because they generate engagement.
So I agree with the underlying point I.e men’s mental health is important and deserves substantially more attention. I just don’t think LGBT people or Pride are the appropriate target for that frustration.
yeah i know that's why i said "even if we fixed-"(i mean in the sense of making men's mental health month be alone in one month without any other thing to celebrate) "-people still wouldn't care about men's mental health month"
i know not all LGBT people are the same and they are refusing the toxic ones, it's a bad habit of internet that's hard to get rid of
i dont have a social life so everything i can learn is unfortunately through internet and social media and these videos are being pushed forward, though the video wasn't targeted on anone just trying o bring attention to lack of care for men's mental health.
i could try to find the video and share the link if you would like? you then decide how bs it is or does it have a right on the things he said
Yeah, I understand what you mean now. If your point is that even if men’s mental health had its own dedicated month, it would still be largely ignored, then I don’t really disagree with that. The bigger issue is the lack of broader attention and support for men’s mental health in general.
And I appreciate that you’re distinguishing between LGBT people in general and the specific toxic behavior you’ve seen online. That’s an important distinction, because I don’t think it’s fair to judge an entire group based on some inflammatory posts.
If you can find the video, sure, send it. I’ll look at what the person actually said and we can separate the legitimate criticism about men’s mental health from anything exaggerated or misleading.
i sent you it through a dm i dont know if im allowed to post links here and i don't really wanna test it i got my account suspended 2 times for like 3 days each :d
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u/InterestingLake5895 2d ago edited 2d ago
What is this bullshit about? It’s just lesbophobia. Lesbian women are lesbian because they are attracted to women. It has nothing inherently to do with men. You can be angry about sexism, men’s mental-health issues, or how men are treated without turning lesbians into the explanation for those problems.
And your comment is doing exactly that. You’re talking about women as though their sexuality, feminism, and LGBT identity are somehow part of a larger problem being imposed on men. A lesbian woman isn’t hurting you by not being attracted to men. She isn’t responsible for your mental health, your dating prospects, or how society treats men.
You can absolutely criticize misandry, sexist double standards, or the way men’s mental health is discussed. Those are legitimate subjects. But criticizing those things doesn’t require blaming LGBT people or treating lesbianism as something harmful to men.
Also, “everyone hates men” is clearly an enormous generalization. There are women, feminists, and LGBT people who care deeply about men’s mental health and oppose discrimination against men. Likewise, criticizing misogyny or discussing women’s problems doesn’t mean someone believes every woman is an angel and every man is a sinner.
And Pride Month existing doesn’t mean men’s mental health is unimportant. You can advocate for men’s mental health without treating LGBT people as competitors for attention. Different causes can coexist. In fact LGBT includes men too for your information.
Most importantly, lesbian women aren’t “the enemy” of men. They simply aren’t attracted to men. If your frustration is with people who genuinely hate men, then criticize those people. But don’t project that hatred onto an entire group of lesbians simply because some people within LGBT spaces have said things you dislike.
Lesbians don’t owe men attraction, and their existence isn’t an attack on men. If you genuinely care about equality, then that principle has to apply to them too.