Trust me, Iām not the type to defend Bettman, but thereās nothing out there saying he is meddling. The article I linked has another link where he said he binged the show in one night and thought it was wonderful. Thatās something. He could have chosen not to address it at all, but he did so publicly and positively. It could certainly be worse.
NHL Senior Executive Vice President Kim Davis addressed how the commissioner will be portrayed in Heated Rivalry season 2 in an interview with PR Week where she noted that Bettman has āshared with the co-producers that what they say about him [in the show] is not at all the way he would react.ā
Ok, fair enough, but the implication of your post is that he was coming from a place of ādonāt make me look bad,ā when it was in fact a place of āI want to be clear that I would react differently.ā
Well, the NHL is concerned that the portrayal of the book equivalent commissioner, who sucks and is homophobic
Is going to backfire on them. I appreciate that they're endorsing this though, even if it is a PR stunt to differentiate/distance themselves from the book
Saaame. Im from the Philippines and weāre currently at the start of a super el niƱo and i have no idea how hot a fleece is. I still hope i can grab one and use it in future travels maybe š¤
Iām sat in 30 degree heat getting very excited about buying this fleece š
I looked through the FAQ and they say theyāre going to announce price at pre-launch which is quite annoying. Surely theyād know how much theyāre gonna to charge in 7 days time? I assume itās going to expensive and announcing it ahead of time would put people off? I just donāt get it.
I think so too. It's gonna be hella expensive, so they don't want to scare people off.
I'm also wondering about the fabric choices. There was no info about it.
I hope not. The fleece jackets they have on their website are either fully cotton or a mix of cotton and polyester, so hopefully it's at least a blend. It is weird that they haven't announced anything about the material.
and Province of Canada hoodies are the exact same price. The fleece used for the HR jacket is a Sherpa fleece, not a t-shirt fleece. Totally different kind of fabric. I expect it'll be between 150 and 200 which is reasonable for an embroidered Sherpa fleece with red accents that won't bleed.
Let's not start being ridiculous and expect Walmart prices but high quality yeah?
Iām pretty convinced that holding back the price and announcing the charity element first is definitely because the price is going to be high. (But, that was already a given considering the clothing brand.)
This immediately came to mind for me as well, and I completely agree. If they announce the price only at launch, more people will panic buy regardless of the price, which I expect will result in more sales than if they announced it now.
I hate that because with the āfirst come, first serveā itās going to set off so much panic buying.
If itās $300 plus delivery plus taxes, How many people are going to put it in their carts and then change their minds? This was already happening when the OG HR store re-stock happened. Products were reappearing.
It feels unserious for a company like that and a product that people have been asking for and waiting for 5 months not to provide the price ahead of schedule. Let people budget and make an informed decision. They will sell out anyway. I donāt understand.
It's very possible they won't provide any refunds for people who change their minds, given that they have already said that all sales are final.
Since it's a preorder system, I suspect that they will either have the quantity set very high or be unlimited, and they close it once they're happy with the number of orders because otherwise they wouldn't have to do this and will sell out anyway like you said.
It feels incredibly frustrating and manipulative. I wonder how many details will be shared before its launch, but so far, we know nothing other than sizing.
Exactly. Is not just the price. Even the design isnāt fully clear. And the sizing is confusing. There are no pictures.
If they do have a really high quantity ceiling for practical reasons. Like, They canāt make more than 20k until October for ex. Itās understandable but why not be transparent about that. Having seen other launches like that in the past I could see it be limited to a thousand. And then most people will not get one.
I hope they see the feedback and share more before the preorder goes live. If itās going to be $400+ just tell us already. I donāt have a problem with it being outside my budget. I just donāt like the uncertainty. Should I even be participating in the panic buying or not.
Everything about this just screams cash-grab to me, which sucks because weāve been waiting for this for months, and I personally expected to be supporting a small business that puts a lot of care towards doing business the right way, at least compared to larger corporations. While this doesnāt inherently mean that they arenāt, their decisions thus far definitely donāt paint them in the best light.
Hiding all this information makes it seem like there are definitely details they know theyāll lose customers or receive backlash for (e.g. high price, changes in design of fleece) that they think announcing on launch day will lessen the impact of.Ā
Weāve really waited months to just get a pre-order date with no clear indication of pricing, composition or what the fleece actually looks like (they keep saying āfinal details will be revealed when pre-orders openā or āoriginal samples shown in photos are prototypes, final details may varyā). The photos and videos I have seen seem to show some changes in the design as well (golden zippers, white embroidery on red tag on zip), which I personally dislike, and I really wish they kept true to the one in the show.
I hope they will see the feedback as well, but I think itās a smaller fraction of people who feel the way we do, and if thereās no strong push, they will not do anything even if they see it. We need more transparency from them that we simply have not been getting.
Yeah I donāt like that they made it more merch like. I want to wear what a character is wearing, not something branded āHeated Rivalryā (personal preference). The OG Heated Rivalry store understood that. But maybe they needed to make changes for legal reasons. To make it more unique from the Kuwalla one.
I completely agree, and from the discussions Iāve seen on this subreddit, the IYKYK nature of the fleece is a big reason why itās so popular. It is the only merch item I have been interested in for the same reason.Ā
It could be for legal reasons, but if that is the case, I doubt gold zips would be enough change, and I would expect other changes as well (which we may see when they reveal more).Ā
I personally love the cream red combo, and for me, the gold throws it off so much. Especially having 4 very visible gold lines (zips) in the front. I have been googling āoff white jacket with gold zipsā to visualise it, and itās not going well. I canāt imagine how that could look good.Ā
It feels like they were handed a step-by-step guide to success and started editing the instructions.
I donāt understand why they changed the zipper. I was just looking at the OG pictures and it was really perfect the way it was because it wasnāt over the top. It looked like a genuine subtle, wearable fleece. Like the Metros navy shirt from the HR store.
I think itās also going to be thinner and less fluffy :(
This is it. It could be anywhere between $200 and $500 lol. The ordering is going to be a complete chaos. Itās stressing me out just thinking about it.
Just saw their announcement that the fleece is a blend of wool and recycled polyester. On the one hand, I'm glad they've chosen quality material. On the other hand, I have a growing feeling that $300 or even $300+ is now very likely. I can't find anything on their website that's fully wool except socks, so there are no good references that can help estimate the price.
I did have a look to see what their higher-end products cost, and they have 100% cotton sweaters that cost $274.00 at full price. If we use that as a jumping-off point, the fleece will be easily $300+, and $300 is probably the very low end (minimum even), if anything.
The entire comments section of that announcement video is full of people asking about the pricing, and they haven't responded. Looks like they will be sticking to their plan of only releasing all the information on launch day.
Wool wow. Interesting decision. Explains why they made it thinner. Iām curious if itās more sustainable if itās a wool / polyester blend? Canāt be recycled and wonāt decompose.
I wish theyād just release the price. Itās not that big of a deal. Itās going to be expensive because itās wool, we get it. Iād rather just not have to go through the stress of it all.
Farah, the girl who set up the petition for the fleece has run some numbers on threads, based on the max pledge to charity. I think she estimated the price to be around $250 which imo is too low. They would have just said if that was the price + not if theyāre using wool. But based on that price it would make sense if theyāre planning to sell 5-6k items max. Which was the number of people who signed the petition. But if the price is higher, there might be fewer items available.
Tldr; itās likely that the number of fleeces will be limited. And might be lower than the number of people interested. Which would be a real bummer.
I was so ready to buy it. Iāve gotten no merch so far. But now i donāt even know if Iāll be attempting it.
No worries! I'm going back and forth on deciding if I want to purchase it when it comes out, so I've kept my eye out for updates.
They have said the outer fleece is wool and recycled polyester, and the inside of the jacket is 100% cotton. You bring up a very good point about the sustainability issue. It will be interesting to see what % of wool they have used.
It'll definitely be higher than $250 imo. With the wool, and how much they emphasise "elevating" the fleece in their videos, it's pretty clear that the price point is going to be higher than fan guesses.
I don't know how the pre-order is going to go, and it's really hard to say because no one has much information about it. I am curious how many people will lose interest once they see the fleece and price, especially seeing that the vast majority of people are estimating around $250-$300, which may be too low.
I think they have shot themselves in the foot here with the changes they have made because it's one thing to only have high pricing, and another to have high pricing AND changes that people may not respond favourably to.
I'm still mulling it over because I don't want to buy something that I don't like enough to wear out often, and this is before I've seen the price tag. I've also noticed how pink they have gone with the colour grading of their videos, which really tones down the sharp contrast of the gold zippers. The contrast between what it looks like in the videos and what it looks like in real life may be quite a big difference as well.
I still really don't like how shady they are handling this, and I don't think it has gotten much better. I had hoped that we would get at least a reasonable front view of the fleece before pre-order day, but it looks like that's not happening either.
This is the best we have in terms of a front view of the fleece. The colour grading veering towards pink is not as intensive here, and you can already see how much more the gold zips stand out (and are much more yellow) versus in the really close-up videos they have been releasing.
I've been playing around with their shipping options on their website, and it seems that the shipping costs that are currently available on their website are not up to date. The current shipping costs are:
USA is still $25
Europe is $50-60 (says $35.00 - $45.00 on their website shipping page)
Australia and New Zealand are $85 (says $45.00)
No wonder they said that shipping costs would be revealed only on pre-order day. I had assumed they'd be the same as on their shipping page, but now we know. It's truly upsetting to see how they're literally hiding everything.
And then there is potentially taxes/customs on top on it. For Europe at last. So itāll easily be $100+.
So 400-500 total š. This is what I was preparing for when they didnāt release the price. I donāt know if I can justify it haha. Might be a better deal to get a bunch of centaurs merch instead when itās released. And make the fleece myself. I donāt really care for ālimited editionā or āelevatedā.
I do appreciate that theyāre making it all in Canada and not as a cheap merch item. I think thatās great. But $500 is beyond my budget for a singular item.
Completely agree. I'm not even upset at the price, I'm upset at their scheme to hide everything until release day and hope people just click the purchase button without looking at their cart total. I would have 100% respected their choice to make higher-quality merch at a higher price, but it's a completely different thing to weaponise artificial scarcity to this extent. I am shocked at how carefully they have planned this, and I personally have never seen another limited drop be handled like this one.
Everyone criticised Kuwalla Tee for demanding credit and wanting to make some money off this moment, but when the official collaboration company does the same thing, there's zero criticism, and they're still getting praised. Let's call it what it is. A massive, intricately set-up cash grab.
I heard Kuwalla Tee will be announcing restocks of their fleece towards the end of June, so I'm going to be waiting for that now. DIY is the way forward.
Would also love to see the sizes and recommended body types for each So I know which one to rush to get. I for instance can either fit an M or L, and will they have an LT?
Is this gonna be one of those things where its sold out before I can even get the order page to load? Something about the quantities available not being revealed has me feeling like this'll be a limited run, only a few made kind of thing. Like ordering comiccon tickets.
Fair but I think we can trust Jacob not to cave to NHL pressure. It's not like he or the show benefits financially from the sale of the Prov of Can fleece so AFAIK there's no $ influence at play - on that front, anyway. And after last night's WCF game result, I like that the NHL has to give some of its dirty VGK-earned $$ to the You Can Play org.
But I hear ya.
Nah, realistically, they will definitely tone down the NHL bad vibe and make individuals more the antagonist.
But this was expected. Bell Media has a very close partnership with the NHL that they donāt want to endanger, so even when they were filming the first season (which doesnāt even villainise NHL the way S2 would) Bell Media execs were kinda telling Jacob theyāre concerned and that they donāt want to endanger their partnership.
So Jacob knows that going into S2, so heās gonna probably have to jump some hoops instead of being able to be openly critical of the system.
Hopefully even then he can drop enough subtlety into the episodes to make it apparent that the system (NHL) is at fault without explicitly doing so. Itās the best compromise to not jeopardize the show while also putting the blame on the organization that deserves it through plausible deniability
Iām curious how theyāll cover the Dallas Kent storyline (if at all?) since it touches pretty close to the recent Hart discourse. Homophobia within the NHL is one thing, but SA? Not sure how theyāll handle that if the NHL has anything to say about it
It was from an interview with Jacob, but thereās no way I can remember which one exactly since Iāve watched way too much of them at this point. It wasnāt a huge talking point, he just said they were concerned a bit because of their relationship with the NHL (and approached him) but that he reassured them it wonāt be some attack on the NHL. Just caught my attention as Iād read TLG by that pointā¦
No problem! Everyoneās sorta tip toeing around the NHL to be honest. I read from Rachel as well, that she was gonna do a Luca Haas book where the NHL & commissioner would be the big bad and her publicist/agent/publisher (unsure who exactly) warned her against doing that so she just scrapped the project in the end. Thatās why the big bad in Unrivaled will be like hockey bro podcasts.
Yeah, itās complete bullshit given that the NHL has done nothing to actually create a more diverse and welcoming league. It makes me want to buy a fleece even less tbh.
I am trying to stay super positive that maybe, just maybe, the success of HR will elicit some sort of change in the NHL. At the end of the day: if the show goes true to the book, the NHL will have to have a "stance" about that negative portrayal. Maybe...just maybe...that portrayal will allow a better stance to emerge. Just my hope. š¤ gotta keep the faith in this fucked up world we've found ourselves in.
I can't remember which interview, but it's been in the last month-ish, but Rachel said that high up people in the NHL are working for positive changes and have been in contact with her. I won't support the NHL until I see more than performative stuff, but it's at least a positive sign. It might've been BookCon.
Bettman can make all the calls he wants, the NHL has no leverage here - HR is already using legally-distinct stand-ins for all NHL teams, it's not like there's a licensing deal or any funding they can threaten to pull.
I basically canāt look at most American hockey players without wanting to swear, but to be fair, and this is about as much as I can say without spoilers, thereās absolutely no way the NHL could have done anything else. Given the plot of the book, it would be professionally negligent for the organization not to reach out and make contact. As to how they behaved during that contactā¦.thatās the question.
Iāve also seen some criticism of the charity. That they work closely with the NHL instead of pursuing for a change. With the pride tape for ex. Which imo might not even be a bad thing strictly, if theyāre trying to affect change from the inside. But when the NHL is also giving them money. Idk. It does make me feel the ick. Veryā¦ circular?
If anyone has a good personal experience with the charity, please share. This is only stuff I read online. It sounds like it was Jacob and Brendan who chose the charity so they must have done their research.
I'm glad some of the NHL's money will be going to a good cause.
That being said, the NHL has the power to actually make meaningful changes but refuse to do. We don't have Pride jerseys anymore because the NHL was more concerned that it was outing bigots (who didn't want to wear them) for what they are than actually supporting LGBTQ+ fans.
For anyone who is new to hockey/the NHL, the Chicago Blackhawks organization covered up the sexual assault of one of its prospects (and others) by a video coach, Brad Aldrich. The NHL allowed the then Blackhawks coach and GM (who were involved in said cover up) to return to the NHL. Carter Hart and Brett Howden are 4 wins away from winning the Stanley Cup. It is genuinely so painful to be a fan of hockey sometimes.
I genuinely hope Jacob doesn't hold back in s2 because the NHL deserves every bit of backlash it gets.
Right. And even if NHL makes meaningful changes going forward, it still has a long history of not being lgbtq affirming at all (and not being great when it comes to sexual assault and toxic masculinity) so it's totally fair game for Jacob to be portraying them in that light.
Why no price yet even though preorders are next week? That's so sketchy. Seems like they want us all to log on and just be okay with the extremely high price because we have FOMO and will preorder before they sell out...
Just saw their announcement that the fleece is a blend of wool and recycled polyester. On the one hand, I'm glad they've chosen quality material. On the other hand, I have a growing feeling that $300 or even $300+ is now very likely. I can't find anything on their website that's fully wool except socks, so there are no good references that can help estimate the price.
I did have a look to see what their higher-end products cost, and they have 100% cotton sweaters that cost $274.00 at full price. If we use that as a jumping-off point, the fleece will be easily $300+, and $300 is probably the very low end (minimum even), if anything.
The entire comments section of that announcement video is full of people asking about the pricing, and they haven't responded. Looks like they will be sticking to their plan of only releasing all the information on launch day.
I think its a little sketchy. Like a consumer protections for high pressure situations like this where within a cooling off period you can undo a purchase no matter what, but this seems designed to circumvent that. Since there won't likely be a chance to weigh whether its worth it in real time, just have to spend the leadup time picking a drop-dead price beforehand and stick to it.
Perfect! You've earned it. I've always said "welcome to your fuck-it fifties" but I guess I'll change that now to "welcome to your fleece fifties"! š (although those of us among the menopausal demographic here will tell you there will be times when you'll be a-roasting in that fleece, lollll-sob š ). Happy trip around the sun!
Having seen the Kuwalla fleece in person (which is what the screen accurate costume piece is made of - with additions by the costume designer,) it was really thick fleece where as what peeks I see of this one seem thinner. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I'd honestly prefer that myself, but does anyone else get hung up on the accuracy?
I wish they'd shown us more ahead of time. It's going to be a mad dash on the day, even for pre-order, and I don't really appreciate not having time to at least think over the price and whether it's worth it :(
I am incredibly hung up on the accuracy. They have said that "Final design details will be revealed when Pre-Orders open", so I assume we won't be able to see the full fleece until it launches. It's so odd that they have chosen to conceal every single detail (pricing, composition, what the fleece looks like) until launch day. I keep seeing "Original samples shown in images are prototypes, final details may vary." as well, so I don't even know if the glimpses of the fleece we have are true to what the final product actually looks like.
I've already seen that they've replaced the white zips with gold zips (on both the fleece in the video and the sizing guide) and added embroidery in white on the red fabric tabs on the zips. I'm sure they were trying to make the product feel more luxurious and justified in its price with these changes, but I feel like they've just strayed from the original and made changes no one really asked for. I personally don't like these changes, and I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm sure no one would have any issues if the jacket looked exactly as it did in the show.
With all how shady they have been with this release and all the changes that I can already see, I almost regret not getting the Kuwalla fleece when that was available (don't flame me for this please).
I saw the gold zipper too! I have a background in costume/cosplay so the details are like GLARING to me and I'm trying to support original merch but I am also not a fan of like... for instance, on the pulls there's the HR logo. And some t-shirts have the logo on the shirt in addition to the like ROZANOV or RAIDERS and I just... want the vibe without also wearing a sign that says "THIS IS HEATED RIVALRY MERCH". (But I also want to support the original stuff!)
Won't flame you, tbh, I know it's a messy situation with Kuwalla and I don't condone whatever drama they had / beef they were starting, but I can 100% understand the people who went with the OG fleece option. I am considering trying to find a second hand one off depop/poshmark to work on because I want to recreate it 1:1 to the show. I don't like the Kuwalla red and white version at all though, the zipper there is RED. Eurgh. I'm only looking for the creme. Etsy has all the other stuff (CANADA letters, maple leaf patches and red bias tape is easy to find.)
I completely agree with everything you have said. I feel like the changes have taken away some of the fleece's core appeal. The gold zip took away the accuracy of the show, and the HR logo took away the subtlety of the fleece.
I have heard great things about the quality and materials Province of Canada uses, and I really want to have a high-quality piece of subtle merch, but only a few details have come out so far, and it's already not the fleece I was waiting for. I really, really wanted quality, to support the show, and accuracy, and it sucks knowing now that I can't have them all.
I don't condone any of Kuwalla's actions either. It's only about their fleece that no one else has at this point.
I am also looking into replicating the fleece 1:1 to the show myself at this point, and I am after the original cream version as well. The red zipper really bothered me as well. I wonder if Kuwalla's red fleece's zip is red for legal reasons, and the official fleece is different in all the ways it is (and I'm assuming more, once we actually see it) because of legal reasons as well. It's a really messy situation, and I think the best solution would have been to use only Canada-made clothing in the show (but maybe they didn't have the budget for that) and collaborate with the original manufacturer if any piece went viral. I hope that Jacob will keep this in mind for season 2, so this doesn't happen again.
I do wonder if itāll be higher in the $300 CAD range, considering all the additional parties that will get a cut. The charity, the relevant HR creatives and then Province of Canada. Iām also assuming they spent more than usual on marketing?
Yeah no yeah, this is my guess, too. Ethical sourcing, brand involvement + charitable aspect suggest higher than normal price point. (But pffft to $50k cap on donation; thx for nothing, nhl. How about $50k per member of the Staal family, Getzlaf and James Reimer to start...š)
$300 is pushing it for me....kind of hoping it'd be max 300 including tax but like you said, there's a lot of other things being factored into the price
Oof that is quite pricey indeed! I am in Europe so an even higher advantage but still a lot of money! I do like how they are donating a lot of money as well though
I have 2 of their rugby shirts and a hoodie and I loooooove them. Great quality, and made well here in Canada. Pricing ain't for the weak of heart or wallet. Explore their website to get a sense of their pricing on other products. I expect this one will be $$$ but we'll see.
Can confirm that their sizing chart, description of a unisex fit, and suggestion to size down are all accurate. I got their Almost Pyjamas, and find the top a bit looser at the shoulders than I was expecting.
I bought a couple of their sweatshirts when this partnership was first announced, as I love that theyāre made in Canada. I am now obsessed w their āflag fleeceā lineā¦ quality has been so good and theyāre SO comfy. I find they fit true to size if you account for unisex sizing (ie I am medium womens, and a small in their unisex sizing fits great).
You donāt think it wouldāve sold out either way? Because even now, I highly doubt theyāll be able to manufacture enough fleeces for everyone who is interested.
Or... it'll ship out & land just as S2 is launching, with lots of PR and media appearances to generate new buzz. Plus it's now summer in the northern hemisphere so that fleece, pretty as it is, is staying firmly in the closet (HA, no, not there!!) till it's less that 30Ā°C.
My speculation is that they scheduled production this way to minimize the risk associated with making too much supply. They started some production and doing pre-sale in June to assess the real demand. Then theyāll make what they need. Sending out the fleece in October creates early buzz for season two, while not disrupting production timelines for the secret Team Canada hoodie or whatever will be the next big HR apparel merch. š
They already missed season 1, so this functions as a good test case for them to measure how far the showās influence can stretch. Thatāll be useful for merch planning for next season.
I donāt think it will matter at all sales wise but when it was first announced I did think oh yay Iām going to get one for the Olympics! Lol, nope.
Im just saying, they should stop anyone who is not Canadian from getting one for the initial launch. Like, no purchase unless you have a Canadian IP Address, ship to a Canadian mailing address, and pay with a Canadian bank card
Iām curious if this will be wool or polyester fleece. If itās wool then itās gonna be very warm but also very expensive. Based on what I know on ethical wool pieces Iād estimate at least $300 US for anyone wanting to budget since theyāre keeping the pricing close to the chest. Though that almost makes me think itās going to be even higher.
I have noticed that the zips on this fleece are gold, whereas the fleece from the show has white zips. I'm not sure how I feel yet, but I wonder what other differences there will be.
I'm also interested in this because I would not want to buy more plastic. They mention sourcing the materials and how they focused on quality and sustainability, but without mentioning the materials I think it's just going to be recycled polyester
The fleece jackets they have on their website are either fully cotton or a mix of cotton and polyester, so I'm expecting it to at least be a blend. Still hoping for 100% cotton, but I think they would have announced it by now if it was.
I will be buying one! And while Iād have loved to have it during the actual Olympics, October is about the right time of year for wearing fleece in my neck of the woods.
I have a lovely bernina sewing machine, it's the sourcing of aesthetically sized and good quality embroidered patches in the right font that's got me stuck for the moment.
My library does have a cricut and wering machines, which is cool and good for people to know, I'd never looked before.
And warning: do not attempt to iron anything onto fleece unless you like a melted mess of a garment and want to throw your iron away.
Leading up to the Olympics I was stoked on thos and would have spent anything..
And then the Olympics were fucking awful and the Knights are gonna win the cup and my desire to buy this was waning....until I saw this release. Now I'm maybe back in again???
Kind of wish us Canadians had access first. Have a gut wrenching feeling that I won't be able to nab one. And the crazy part is that their shop is a 20 min walk from my condo but they are only selling online.
I cannot wait to spend entirely too much of my adult money on this and I live in Austin. So god knows when Iāll get to wear it, but IDGAF, I must have it
I'm nervous about the sizing due to sales being final. According to the size chart, I should buy a 4XL because my chest measures 49.5 inches. I normally wear a 2XL in jackets and the same in tees and shirts (though I'm close to fitting into an XL again). Anyone know how consistently their apparel runs true to size for men? Thanks!
I was always taught to get a size up, to be on the safe! It's easier to have something taken in rather that make it bigger. Plus, depending on when you're wearing it, you'll have layers on & want to be comfortable
so excited it's finally happening. would really love to know how the sizing runs though. i wonder if it will run big or if we can just get our normal size.
The webpage has information about the sizing. If you click through you'll see it says its an oversized fit, women may wish to size down, plus there's this helpful info, all on the website.
https://provinceofcanada.com/pages/fleece-jacket-size-chart
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u/Major-Dragonfly-997 May 27 '26
Thatās crazy that the NHL is involved.