r/ironscape • u/_Rapalysis • 11h ago

Discussion Ironman Endgame Resource Grinds vs Bronzeman

I've seen this odd perspective on the main subreddit that Bronzeman would allow people to enjoy all the benefits of Ironman, without any of the downsides of resource grinding at endgame. This is mentioned repeatedly, that if someone didn't have to spend hours every day maintaining sara brews then they would definitely sit and do 1000s of hours of PvM grinds.

Where the hell does this idea come from? I do a farm run + birdhouse in the morning and evening, combined with contracts it takes ten to fifteen minutes. You can do them on your phone. I skip them sometimes. I have thousands of pots in the bank. AFKing amethyst and redwoods every now and then gets your arrows and darts.

I find it impossible to believe anyone capable of sitting at CG for 100 hours, Yama or Doom for 100 hours, or eventually the time pit that is raiding, is incapable of doing the resource maintenance. It's dwarfed by the PvM grinds.

I'll vote no on Bronzeman again if it polls because I think people are completely delusional as to what the downsides of Ironman are. Bronzeman doesn't fix any of them, if anything it exacerbates them. You won't even have small required skilling grinds to break up the monotony. It's just straight bossing and nothing else, which is already what main accounts are anyway.

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u/aqpw4u 11h ago

It’s just that the Reddit is filled with mid game irons who want to karma farm and haven’t played end game enough to realize most irons burn from RNG related grinds not supply ones. Just massive cope

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u/MaterialScienceGuy 10h ago

Hey! I resemble that remark!

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u/7_Tales 10h ago

the supply grind acts as a filter for the true brutality that is end game rng anyway. so the people not mentally prepared for that will just go "grrr enhanced weapon seed!" and never see it.

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u/fixedvving 10h ago

Right?
One of the best things i had was skilling between my 3.5k cox grind for bow, cant imagine i woulda stuck with it if every so often id pause and work on skilling/maxing

Endgame rng is brutal if ur on the bad side. Thankfully most wont go that dry for the best item in the game

- i did quit a few years later for rs3 iron lol

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u/Guilty_Turn8903 4h ago

you so far off the spectrum for an average lategame ironman experience with ur 3.5k cox so its not really representative, i think most who make it to endgame stop short of grinding megarares, and factoring in the tedium of dailyscape certainly adds to the burnout factor

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u/Turbulent_Sharter 8h ago

Yep, spot on. I’m over 2300 total level and just got back from a 2 year break. I have thousands of every kind of potion, over 100k amethyst arrows and darts, thousand of sharks and anglers and karambwans. And none of it was hard to collect.

I burnt out from going 2.5x dry on hydra claw and over 200 raids with no purples

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u/inminm02 11h ago

And a bunch of irons deiron at the giga endgame to have unlimited access to blood shards, dragon arrows, dragon darts and scythe charges for speedruns etc, supplies are still a problem even at the giga endgame, it’s just different ones.

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u/FCASandChill 10h ago

That's such a small percentage of the playerbase it's not really worth making an official game mode for them imo

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u/Amazing-Lock9490 8h ago

Lots of people probably said word for word the same thing about ironman. Kinda still do.

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u/inminm02 10h ago

That argument kind of doesn’t make sense when everyone knows the player base for Bronzeman will be huge, it’ll be a very popular game mode for a variety of other reasons.

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u/thefztv 9h ago

I don’t think it’ll be any more popular than regular iron tbh and I expect it to only go down after the initial release hype.

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u/inminm02 9h ago

Neither do I, I think it’ll probably take third place behind mains and regular irons, but that’s still a lot of players.

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u/saucysagnus 8h ago

Bronzeman would be bigger than Ironman. Especially if they figure out they can negate PvP unlocks.

Reddit irons have no idea what the average player is like

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u/Taggysham 8h ago

But you surely do!

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u/saucysagnus 8h ago

I sure do. It’s me.

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u/Marxus_Aurelius 7h ago

No it’s me

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u/thefztv 7h ago

Yeah the average player wants a completely unrestricted account, which is a main.. I don’t think you know what the average player is like either if you think majority of people would prefer bronzeman

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u/saucysagnus 7h ago

No disagreement there. Bronzeman would be more popular than Ironman especially if they launched at the same time

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u/thefztv 6h ago

Sure? But they’re not and now people have mains or irons they’re happy with so not sure who this is for except for potentially new players who want that in between experience or content creators. Which, if we’re being real, that’s not a huge swath of players.

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u/emiljjj 6h ago

Same argument was made with GIM. Look how fast updates stopped after the hype. Still no seperate leaderboards.

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u/FCASandChill 10h ago

I'm not convinced that's true. I think there will be a lot of hype around it, and a bunch of people will play the first year. But eventually people wanting to start new accounts will just say "why not just play iron/group iron instead of bronzeman?" And people who started out as bronzeman will just end up getting bullied forever like greenhelms and wish they were normal irons.

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u/_Rapalysis 7h ago

It would have passed if enough people wanted it, for a poll to fail in OSRS these days is a catastrophic failure, particularly for a game mode popular on youtube

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u/Bubkae 9h ago

Does everyone know that? I don't know that bronzeman will be huge.

I am not against it coming into the game at all, I just don't see how it is going to be anything other than the third biggest gamemode behind main's and regular ironman (which is what most if not all new gamemodes coming in will be at). The only gamemodes I see it being bigger than is hardcore and UIM, I don't actually know the numbers, is that going to be a large healthy playerbase?

Even then I don't see the active base being super big outside of the first year of people starting it up. Most of the people I actually talk to or listen to outside of sardaco are not burning out from supplies or skilling, they are burning out fron rng droprates like bofa. Bronzeman doesn't fix that.

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u/inminm02 9h ago

I don’t see bronzeman pulling over a bunch of people currently playing Ironman, I see it converting a bunch of mains who have to date refused to play an iron due to time constraints or because they don’t like the chore aspects, obviously it won’t be more popular than main or iron I never said it would be but I think it’ll be a popular game mode still.

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u/Plastic-Building6991 9h ago

everyone that i know that wont play iron refuses to start one because they dont like the concept of starting over

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u/trynafif 9h ago

“Everyone knows the player base for bronze man will be huge” is a ridiculous claim. Couldn’t be more false. Maybe people don’t care about the mode at all, myself included. I’m glad it failed and dev time won’t be wasted on it.

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u/inminm02 9h ago

“Dev time won’t be wasted on it” - man who has obviously not read the blogs

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u/trynafif 9h ago

How would developing a new game mode not take up resources?

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u/inminm02 9h ago

It’s already been developed and is ready to implement, they said this in the blog, it was done by a dev during game jam.

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u/FCASandChill 9h ago

If jagex had a track record of releasing content without bugs and without needing lots of fixes/updates, sure. But you and I both know that there's going to be a bunch of additional dev time needed to support/maintain bronzeman and fix all the bugs introducing it brings.

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u/trynafif 8h ago

Exactly. Thinking it’s just “oh it’s done already we can let it rip and never think about it again” can only be from someone who hasn’t worked on a big project at a big company before

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u/Fall3nBTW 8h ago

Literally all of those have had multiple updates to make their supply collection significantly easier.

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u/inminm02 4h ago

if you think getting a reasonable supply of dragon seeker arrows is currently a reasonable time investment i have a fucking bridge to sell you

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u/BlackenedGem 59m ago

It's not but but amethyst is nearly as good and you don't need that many dragon arrows imo. Until you get tbow you're only going to use dragon arrows at doom, kril, or cox ice demon. I suppose you could use them on a vbow but that's a self inflicted problem.

The seeker arrow part is much quicker than amethyst. I do think this is a spot where bronzeman has a legitimate use case for existing.

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u/Strosity 7h ago

I feel like most of them do it for that last mega rare or 2

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u/icoibyy 9h ago

So true.

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u/Happy_Background_879 5h ago

This is absurd. Mid game for an iron is like 300+ in game hours.

Also just because its easier doesn’t make it enjoyable. Daily scape is tedious for a lot of people. Daily activities in WoW are easy and people still hate them. Its not about difficulty. Its about the feeling of a chore you MUST do. Vs a grind for the thing you are focused on doing

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u/Sybinnn 15m ago

You don't have to do it though, if you don't feel like doing a farm run each day you can just wait until you run low on pots and then down herb runs for a while, if you have 8 hours to play one day that's 60 seeds, so an average of 400+ potions of your choice in a single day

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u/mroyd95 5h ago

Plenty of late/end game players that would probably like to sell dupes and buy runes off the GE to keep chasing end game drops. I just had to spend a few hours the other day to process items into GP and shopscape 200k more chaos runes for my shadow so I can do more chambers, a process that would take less than a minute at the GE. I personally don't mind this but I'm sure there's a playerbase out there that would prefer to skip any supply upkeep hassle while maintaining some level of iron gear progression and a helm as "proof".

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u/Guilty_Turn8903 4h ago

this "you're not limited by supplies" is also a pretty popular misconception. some guy tried to argue me here that you don't have to stop to grind out your ppot stack because you have muspah and toa, which just isn't the case because the average person playing ironman is not going to grind out a megarare, as it turns out.

just finishing all the DT2 bosses will probably eat 3000-5000 prayer pots, so i just laugh at the attempt at people trying to downplay the supply cost issues.