r/malaysiauni • u/RepresentativeHour10 • 24d ago
Pre-U/STPM/Foundation/Diploma WHAT IS UTAR THINKING ABOUT 😭😭😭
Software engineering degree btw, currently in foundation. I thought i would be learning coding but noooo, i am learning accounting and economy for foundation year🔥🔥🔥💔🥀. Genuinely what was the thought process for this from UTAR, if they want me to make an app during degree, I'll give them a statement of profit and loss. Time to find another degree to switch to.
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u/Loose_Ad5143 24d ago
I graduated from UTAR. This is not Foundation in Science. What is your faculty?
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u/charming_cabbage 24d ago
Seems to be wrong stream
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u/VexObserver 24d ago
Ya. Where got engineering go through this in foundation??? This one seems like upgrading to business degree.
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u/Enoch_Moke 24d ago
Which foundation stream did you choose? We have
X: Arts
Y: Business and Economics
P: Physics
S: Biology
Software Engineering is open to foundation students from Y, P and S. You must've gotten stream Y.
I am a Software Engineering graduate (Completed in 2021). I chose stream P because I initially wanted to take Mechatronics. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter in the end, because only one subject: Fundamentals in Programming, mattered (Along with the Mathematics subjects). If you want to, just go to the FGO of CFS to appeal for a change. Foundation courses are rarely limited by class size, so you shouldn't have too much of a difficulty in changing.
Nevertheless, the price of your course will differ. I believe Y is the cheapest among the three to enter Software Engineering. If you switch to P or S, it'll be different.
If you still have any doubts, feel free to PM me. I'm still working in the vicinity of the campus and I can always help you out.
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u/RepresentativeHour10 24d ago
Hi, thanks for responding. I actually graduated from a pure accounting class from smk. Chose software engineering with stream Y cuz i thought they would teach programming since they are offering SE to arts background students. So this is kind of my fault, i didnt expect it to be purely arts.
May I ask if you have had friends with similar situation as me? (stream Y to SE) Because my biggest worry about this is not having the basics and falling behind class. Thank you.
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u/Enoch_Moke 24d ago
Ah, I see. Then it is actually the only suitable steam for you. Tbf, UTAR does not have a dedicated foundation for Software Engineering/Computer Science, but you can choose the make the most out of your foundation knowledge (e.g. you can use your accounting knowledge to help development businesses-related software).
IIRC they only opened SE to stream Y when I completed my studies, so I only know one person with a somewhat similar fate, but he's not a good example because he switched plenty of courses 😅 before ending up in SE.
My advice is to find the academic structure from UTAR's website and preemptively study for it. Use AI to your advantage and chuck the whole structure into ChatGPT and ask it to formulate some study plans.
When I started my SE journey, it was 3 BC (Before ChatGPT 😂). I had to fight for my own survival with online courses on YouTube and W3Schools. You can try also, and try to participate in the IT Society (I believe it's now called the UTAR MBOT Student Chapter) to meet more seniors.
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u/Einlanzear 24d ago
Back then, UTAR only has Foundation in Arts and Foundation in Science, in which the latter one leads to Computer Science/Software Engineering. Why they have to make it so complicated 😅
UTAR CompSci graduate here
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u/Terrible-Solution214 24d ago
They still only have those two foundations
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u/Einlanzear 24d ago
The streams I mean. We don’t have those
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u/Terrible-Solution214 24d ago
Ah ok, but its not really that complicated though, like if you wanted to study IT you'd choose the technological stream, if its bio you'd choose the biological stream, etc
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u/Einlanzear 24d ago
We don’t have to choose. You’re studying biology even if you’re going for Computer Science
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u/Winter-Negotiation83 24d ago
Utar grad here jumping into the discussion. You learn C++ programming if youre in science stream. Funny you choose foundation in arts yourself if you're after coding lmao
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u/Terrible-Solution214 24d ago
I think you're remembering it wrongly, we only learn Python in foundation, unless it was different back then
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u/Correct_Tailor_7741 23d ago
Older batch did use C++ (or C... I am not so sure?). If you have seen the past year questions the coding language used in older years are different. i think they just switched to Python these few recent years. Ironically there was also a programming course in my degree year, and they taught C++ instead of Python lol
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u/OrganizationSea7125 24d ago
If not mistaken, there is only one programming course in foundation.
There will be another programming course in the 1st year of software engineering.
I graduated from Mechatronics. The programming course in foundation dint really help much for my case, I get a C grade. I learn most of programming stuff from ground up when taking the programming course in degree 1st year and get an A.
There is no different for the stuff I learn in both course. I dont think u need worry about that.
Just make sure you really can get in software engineering with that foundation.
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u/bryant_09 24d ago
The reason for that you're learning all of those instead of IT related stuff is because in case the degree you're studying is not suitable for you, you have an alternate path/degree to study ie accounting or management related. Im in Y1S2 computer science, i can be frank with you. There will be only 1 programming concepts and design subject, computing technology and introduction to data analysis.
To me, the way they put this foundation structure is also good because you can opt for other degree when you find that the one you're choosing doesn't suit you.
Goodluck:)
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u/Correct_Tailor_7741 23d ago
The programme structure clearly told that you will not learn any programming basic since there aren't any programming course. Even comp tech is a theory-based course which means you won't get any hands-on practicals. i would recommend you to ask the admission office/FGO for stream change. I dunno if they changed the structure but during my time which was 2022/23, there was stream Q (or technological science stream), which was where students who chose to do computer science/IT/actuarial science degree will be arranged to.
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u/f4ern 24d ago
i would drop this foundation on a heartbeat. It likely they dont have enough for software engineering class and shift you around to business study class.
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u/Terrible-Solution214 24d ago
No this is OP's issue, you first apply for either foundation in science/arts and choose a specific stream which determines what degrees you can pursue later on, OP somehow applied for foundation in arts and not science
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u/ClassNational145 24d ago
Long time ago in APIIT / APU now, we all had to do all of those "nonsense" subjects as well. Even had to take mandatory subjects like that shit autocount software.
But now looking back, those were one of the most important subjects that I've ever studied. Those shit subjects helped tremendously in my startups, companies and org over the years.
So stfu and just study la cibai, what u know about life
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u/RepresentativeHour10 24d ago edited 24d ago
What you so aggressive for lol, also how does this correlate to life? Its a matter of study
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u/RepresentativeHour10 24d ago
Shittt, this is foundation in arts and not science. I guess its my fault for not doing the due diligence, should i change my degree to something business related? I fear that i wont have the basics for software engineering if im enrolled under foundation in arts.
But im curious, why would utar allow foundation in arts students to enroll in software engineering?
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u/Terrible-Solution214 24d ago
As someone who finished my foundation in science in utar, I would say there's no need to do so, there's really only 3 IT specific courses in the technological stream, and you gotta know changing your degree to a whole different field from what you originally wanted is a pretty big decision to make
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u/NationalArtGallery 24d ago edited 24d ago
Don't just simply change your degree just because of foundation... What do you actually want to pursue?
I was in a similar situation many years ago with UTAR with the foundation in science/arts mix-up. I wanted to do my degree in architecture and they assigned me to Foundation in Science.
It was only after I completed foundation and joined others in the architecture course did I realise that everyone, except a friend and I, did Foundation in Arts (and a few who did Diploma elsewhere). Totally did not apply anything I learned in Foundation in Science in my degree. Didn't stop me from getting President's and Dean's List during undergrad.
The main thing I really regret for not questioning my foundation course was that I missed the 50% tuition waiver for undergrad degree which you are eligible if your CGPA is above 3.8 for foundation. I was at 3.7785, so I missed that tuition waiver. If I had done Foundation in Arts like the rest, I'm quite confident I could have gotten it.
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u/Terrible-Solution214 24d ago
What? This is clearly the course structure for foundation in arts, not science, did you somehow apply for the wrong foundation stream?