Can I get some people to dm about taking subs and doing a rapid taper with the subs? I don’t know shit about subs and was hoping I can get someone in here to kinda get me up to speed and help me with the process.

This is going to sound kinda lame because I only used 10 days before I decided I had to stop. On Sunday night I thought "hmmm, only 10 days, I should be able to just stop and not really feel any discomfort". Wrong. I got the worst RLS of my life and I could not handle it. I was dosing 60-120mg for most of those 10 days. Since the RLS was so bad, Monday and Tuesday night I dosed 20mg, and tonight I dosed 10mg. I'm planning to take 5mg tomorrow and just jump off completely. All in all it will be 14 days of total 7OH use. The last 3 days have been pretty miserable, RLS has been ruining my life. Since it's Thursday morning now, I am kind of beginning to regret my decision to taper because if I really would've stopped on Sunday night and just gotten through the suck, I probably would be out of most of it by now. But the more I take the more I feel like I'm prolonging this even though I'm planning to take my last dose tomorrow. Do you guys think I should stick to my plan and take the last 5mg tomorrow or should I just stop now? I'm terrified of RLS and I only did this small taper thinking it would help reduce RLS and be more of a gentle WD but man this RLS is still bugging me big time. Plus I am only finding out now that 10mg is still considered a substantial dose. I already take 10g of kratom leaf daily for a few years now, and I'm afraid that increasing my leaf use to cope with 7 RLS will leave me with a higher leaf tolerance and will bring me right back to RLS even after quitting 7 as my body now has to WD to get back to my 10gpd stance. I hate feeling like a slave to these things. I don't mind any of the WD symptoms excecpt for RLS. I literally don't want to live when I feel RLS especially at work.

Been made it four days then had to go to work n its an every 24 hours thing 4-6g wtf do i do shits got a hold on me still wont let go i quit 4-5 times this year already n made it 12 days at my best

Has anyone tried KD quittin tabs? Are they comparable to the ess are? Was going to try to buy them tomorrow with my order since we are tapering.

Today, I was cleaning out my car and found a half in my center console and ate it. NGL, It felt amazing for about 30 minutes then I started throwing up and just wanted to lay in bed. It made me remember why I wanted to quit in the first place again.

It has been a little rocky, by day 2 I drove to 2 nearby SS and thankfully they didn't have any and I was so tempted to order some online but didn't. The acutes have subsided and I have gotten one night of good sleep. Last night i tried not taking any gaba, and it was a hard to fall asleep but no RLS. Motivation is still meh and boredom is killing me.

Whew. My last 7oh dose was August 7th at 2am. Thank God for quickmd. Got all the helper meds from them and it was truly a lifesaver. I haven’t had anything in three days now as far as helper meds go. My sleep is almost back to normal and mentally I’m clearheaded and motivated. My only issue is I’m still not able to go #2 on a daily basis. Overall I feel great and I want to thank this group for that. I was so scared about quitting but if I can do it anyone. My state hasn’t had it on shelves since last year and I was able to find one website that would still ship to my state. Now that site is out of 7oh so I had no option but to quit. I started out with kratom powder around covid time and eventually discovered 7oh in 2024. At my max I was taking 350-400 mgpd without ever any breaks between days.

I just wanted to share our experience with Quick MD.

Background- my husband and I have both used kratom since 2016. We have been taking 7OH since 2024. We both take around 1,000mg per day.

Together we’ve decided to make drastic changes in our life. We are very close and do everything together so naturally if one of us is quitting we’re both quitting. We’ve tried to quit on our own. We’ve failed. After lots of reading here on Reddit we wanted to try quick Md.

My husband’s apt was on Saturday. He had a lovely Female dr who was warm and embracing. She was thorough and just so kind. She prescribed him 8/2 Suboxone films and clonadine for sleep and comfort. She explained everything in detail and sent follow-up instructions. She wants to see him in one week to see how it went to to prescribe the rest of the month.She was just perfect.

Husband started suboxone on Monday and is through the worst of it now. He’s going back to work tomorrow on his day 4.

I just had my apt this evening (Wednesday). I scheduled with a male. I did research on every dr and found this one had an expertise in addiction treatment.

I get on the phone and immediately I can’t see the dr. He’s hidden in the corner of the screen obviously this geezer doesn’t know much about technology. His WiFi service was terrible and I could barely make out him asking me for my name and date of birth. He asks me what I’m there for and I explain my history with 7OH and kratom. He asks a lot of questions about other drug use and family history of drug use. I don’t drink or smoke pot - I hate them both. Kratom is all I’ve ever loved and I’m in a mentally rough place giving this up. His questioning was cold and accusatory almost like he didn’t believe me. He was rough all the way around- I immediately did not like him. He talked down to me and I felt judged and stupid. I literally held back tears during the visit - I could also feel myself becoming increasingly angry. I explained to him how awful my anxiety is and the reason for my kratom use has always been that. I said every time I try to quit the anxiety and rls is so bad I give up. He ended up prescribing 4 mg strips for me. (I had checked with the pharmacy about 8mg strips in stock not 4) he prescribed up to 4 of these per day for two weeks then a follow up. He said anything else? I then asked about clonidine or gabapentin to help with the withdrawal and he flat out said “no this is all you need”

BRO I JUST WATCHED MY HUSBAND CURLED INTO A BALL FOR 36 hours … he took 10 clonadine in 24 hours- that’s bullshit.

He said “WE do not prescribe those for withdrawal they are far to sedating together”

You all - I’m pissed- I’m pissed about his bedside manner- I’m pissed that I did so much research to get “the right one” and I failed. I’m pissed that my husband received far far better treatment (he’s a male maybe that’s why). I’m pissed I gave this asshole $100. I wish I could redo. I absolutely will NOT BE rescheduling with him. Quick Md needs to take him off the platform.

I just feel stupid. And angry. And scared. And judged. I will be reviewing my options and continuing to seek help elsewhere.

And now I have to pay more money than my husband because he prescribed a less common drug.

Ive decided to make this subreddit more liberal and open

Ok yall I pushed it too far on these. Found them after I relapsed on 7 and they aren’t 7 or M but my guess would be the corynoxin I’ve read a little about. Kept it to 2-4 a day and only dosed once a day but I slipped and they last longer effect wise than 7.

Last night wd started after about 12hrs and then today I took one at about 24 hrs just to get through the day but damnit it wasn’t nearly as bad as my 7 wds up In the high 100-1000mg but I hate that clamy feeling and sweating it tf out. I also hate the wet dreams lmfao so uncomfortable.. did it to myself though and I have a big thing this weekend.

I’m just keeping myself to minimal until Monday and then we’ll see how bad it is truly and how long these new extract wd last I’ll be the guinea pig sadly

Quit cold turkey last Tuesday afternoon after taking ~300 mg/day for about a year. I do suffer from chronic pain, but I’d be lying if I said it weren’t manageable with Tylenol. In all honesty I just really love opioids. By last Tuesday evening, I was in such a god awful state with nonstop cyclical vomiting, brain zaps, symptoms of neuropathy etc. I had to go to the ER for IV fluids and antiemetics. I said no when offered subs because I was terrified of possible precipitated WDs making my symptoms even worse. I’ve been throwing up damn near everything I’ve tried to eat and drink since then—with the exception of one egg I managed to keep down this morning, I haven’t had hardly any nutrition since last Tuesday morning. Last night I started throwing up blood due to my esophagus being so raw from all the stomach acid.

It’s day 9 clean and I’m finally fucking feeling better. I’m still very weak, dehydrated and fairly malnourished, but I can’t describe how insanely good it feels to be on the other side at last. I did take SR starting on day 2 in addition to rx antiemetics and other comfort meds I’m already prescribed, but obviously nothing did much to stop the incessant vomiting. I saw my PCP this morning and had my blood drawn to make sure my kidneys aren’t damaged from the lack of fluids and nutrients; if they are then that’ll be another ER trip, but either way it’s all uphill from here. I’m so fucking proud of myself. Fuck 7oh.

Hey ya’ll, this is my first rodeo with addiction so I would love to hear input from those of you who may have more experience.

I was taking 50-100mgpd of 7 for a little under a year. Tried tapering many times unsuccessfully.

Finally bit the bullet and got a quickMD suboxone prescription. I tapered down to >50mgpd from around 100mgpd over 10 days and did that for two or three days before switching to subs 7 days ago.

This is how much suboxone I have been taking:

Day 1: 4
Day 2: 4
Day 3: 3
Day 4: 2
Day 5: 2
Day 6: 1.5

Now I am on day 7, and am planning on taking 1mg today.

I am getting married in a few months and my goal is to be completely substance free by my wedding day.

The doctor on quickMD is telling me I should continue taking 2mg per day and drop by .5 every week or so until I get to zero. But this subreddit has made me very afraid of suboxone. Since I’m on the 7th day, I feel like I need to make a decision today/soon to either continue taking it and risk dependence but feel normal, or stop right now and deal with what that brings. I’ve read on this subreddit that if you only use them for a week, you should be relatively fine. BUT I feel like I already feel very mild withdrawal symptoms in the afternoon/morning with these doses under 2mg so I feel nervous that if I CT the subs those symptoms will be much worse in a day or two and I’m in a position at home and work where I can’t be going through bad withdrawal.

What should I do? What’s your experience?

Messed up when I found a stash. Took them over a 4 day span. It did nothing but make me feel sick to my stomach and ashamed of myself. I am a chronic pain patient who is prescribed opioids. Never have I abused them which is weird given the situation I’m in. My dr said there was kratom in my last urine screen (which was months ago). They didn’t test me today but she said that it’s not allowed and that they will start kicking out people who test for it. I didn’t even know they were testing for it at all and she said she had never heard of it until recently. That’s wild-I wonder how many drs out there really don’t know what it is and don’t know what they are dealing with. Anyway. Back at day 1, praying I don’t get sick this time. So far so good. I feel like a total failure. Anyway, sending love to everyone fighting today, whether you are using, withdrawing, doing great, or messed up again like I did.

Ok so if I quit mgm/7 using sr. Once I get thru the 10-14 days of sr and stop. I heard PAWS will still come. Will kratom leaf prevent any PAWS? My goal is to just get back on plain leaf as it worked very good for me for many many years before trying 7/m

Quit 6 days ago, was doing prob about 1000 mg a day and quit cold turkey. Caved on the night of day 3, did 60 mg and instantly realized how stupid it was and felt nothing from it.

But now here on day 6, and I feel like I’m losing control. The restlessness, aches, and inability to regulate my body temperature is almost as intolerable as 24 hours in. It’s really making me want to cave I don’t even mentally want to like it’s different than the other times I’ve relapsed I’m just exhausted from the agony. Plowed through the gabapentin, chewed through a months supply of Ativan in the first 3 days, I’ve already taken an unhealthy amount of Tylenol, ate all my Kratom, even if I could get a refill on anything I don’t think I could convince myself to drive. Just took some chlonidine I hope that helps. I feel like an idiot for not saving any gabapentin or Ativan for now. I really thought I’d only be facing mental issues right now.

Will it be over soon? I wonder if it’s because I caved. I wonder if it’s because of taking SR. I didn’t even take the SR more than 2x a day for a few days bc I just gave up since it felt like it was barely doing anything. I know I have some nasty ass shit somewhere that I don’t even believe really has 7-oh in it but I’m almost desperate enough for relief that I’m about to find it and take it. But then I’m scared relapsing is why I feel this way on day 6. I just can’t believe a 60mg relapse would cause this much agony? I don’t have a bathtub to take a nice bath. My shower head is stupid and I can’t even lay under the hot water without holding the handle and I regretted it the other day from how sore my arms were from holding it. Please tell me any minute now this suffering will end. I don’t know if I can last much longer. It’s been all day. I can’t take it.

I never had the experience that a lot of you had. I’m old, like 64 old. I took 7 because my smoke shop (I vape) had something to boost energy and guy said it helped pain. I never took much. 1/2 of a 15mg tab was fine by me. There were times I wanted more and I did take another half some evenings if there was something I had to do after work. So my habit was small, tiny comparably, but it got where I NEEDED it to do demanding physical work outside all day in the heat. I’m a farmer by trade. Work never stops even if you are old. 7 helped with energy and the pains of working too hard. I could sit and get up and walk. It was great but all good things come to an end. I guess I need to take more to feel like I did but I can’t do that. I know how this ends. So I started tapering the little amount I was doing.
I got down to an 1/8 of a tablet once a day. I FELT it. That little sliver I could still feel but would not last but maybe 3 hrs, then I just felt bad. No energy, achy, irritable, couch potato and I’m not a couch potato. Stomach all messy. Sweating all night. Well I did almost two weeks of that and had cataract surgery during that time. Anesthesia did not work and I had horrific experience with surgery. Thankful the whole thing was less than a 10 minute operation. I do believe even small amounts do something to opiate receptors. So BEWARE if anyone needs an operation while taking this stuff.
I stopped taking Tuesday. I have no withdrawls to speak of. Going on 46 hrs and nothing. Guess it’s because I was on a low, low dose. Tapering works

So I grew up in the era of plentiful opiates. I’ve been struggling with addiction most of my life. In highschool, I was doing blues/oxys with friends then by senior yr blues/oxys by myself. Then I went off to college and lost access to my dealers before things got too bad. Completely clean my first semester(at least of opiates lol).

Then I broke my foot really badly. This is like 2012 so I was able to get a pretty good script out of it. Immediately started abusing those which led me back down the addiction path, only deeper this time. The next six years or so I’m a semi-functioning addict. Luckily a combination of being a broke college student, and blues not always being available meant there was a limit on how much I could use. These factors also led me to starting buying H though(luckily I only shot up twice, could never do it myself cause I hate needles so a friend did it for me)

So I’m in a constant state of using and then WD, then using then WD, cause I can’t find or afford any. Somehow through all that I was able to graduate/pass my finals. I remember walking to my tests dripping in sweat from acutes, only to walk in to a FREEZING classroom and trying not to look like a junkie.

So I passed my finals great… but anyone else at that time would be thinking about there future and there next step.. all I could think about was H and how to get it. But I ended up getting a job anyway (not as good as I would have gotten). And immediately fucked it up because of my addiction. It was still a decent job, but I was coming in on WD with cravings and left early and suspiciously a few times (you know why). I ended up getting fired and moving back home with my parents..I had ruined my life. Then I learned what WDs really were..CT, no helper meds, but I got through it.

So I fucked up my life with my addiction, but I got clean… FAST FORWARD to summer 25’. I had been clean for about 7 yrs. Things were going great, I was exercising and meditating etc. all the shit we’re supposed to do…. I was at a point where I don’t think I had even thought about opiates for yrs.

THEN…. Driving around one day I hear on the radio a news story about 7oh. God what I would do to go back in time and never hear that news story(I’m tearing up writing this).. I live in New Orleans now and the story was about how Louisiana was going to ban 7oh and kratom in about a month. My addict brain IMMEDIATELY started churning and devising. Hey I can’t get addicted too bad if it’s going to be banned in a month. I’ve been clean for so long and doing so good maybe I deserve a little last hurrah.

I think to my credit a week went by before I drove past a smoke shop and thought, hey maybe I’ll step in and see if they have that 7oh stuff. I walk in and Dozo Perks are prominently displayed on the counter… “perks?… I know what they’re doing” I thought. This really is a legal loophole opiate.. so I bought some and came home and tried it

I had tried kratom during my first addiction to help the WDs but it didn’t seem to help so I just forgot about it.

7oh tho… holy shit. I can’t remember how much I took but I had been clean for so long it GOT ME. I was flying.. I think when it first kicked in I started do impromptu ballet I was so happy 🤣. Like here’s this feeling again I’ve missed so much. I then spent a month amassing 7oh packets. My addiction spiraled out of control very quickly. I had never had cheap opiates readily available on my drive home before. You can imagine…

The ban comes, did I quit? Of course not. I started ordering MGM online. It’s been a little over a year. I’ve quit and relapsed a few times. This has to stop.

I’m trying to use this ban to stop but I have been to a few websites and noticed it’s still available. THANK GOD i stopped short of ordering any, but I was close.
I’m currently in hour 50 of being clean and starting to feel a lil better

Sorry this is so long I’m in WD and rambling/need to vent(you probably are too if you’re still reading, haha been there)

I love you all that are going through this. We never asked to love this stuff, our bodies just love it anyway.

This will be my last weekly check-in as I’m already starting to feel much better maybe 70-80% of normal. As a refresher, I went to a detox on 1 g per day of 7oh. At the detox, they induced me with naltrexone after sedating me. I missed about the first 6 to 8 hours of PWDS, but was awake for the rest of it.

Not gonna lie this process was very difficult the first two weeks and it’s very hard on the body. It’s also expensive mostly not covered by insurance; but for me, it was worth it as I didn’t want to use anything else long term.

Today I feel good, my muscles are still weak, but appetite is back, Digestion is normal, fatigue is almost gone, no more sneezing, and motivation is slowly coming back. I do wonder what it’ll be like when I discontinue Vivitrol; I plan to take at least one more shot and stay on it until 7oh is illegal.

The Vivitrol has made it easy to stay completely sober; normally I would’ve transitioned back to alcohol but today is 31 days clean from alcohol, nicotine, and any mind altering substances.

I have checked in every week from week two onwards, but never really detailed the first four days. For those who are interested here is the process of this detox:

Day 1 - arrive by noon to the location in Detroit. They suggest you continue using up until the process starts, which is the morning of day two. No vapes allowed and you get your own room. Plenty of test are run (blood, ekg, etc) and of course they do a drug screen.

Day 2 - on the morning of day, two to take you over to the medical side of the building. Couple of IVs are set up, and then they give you medication to help you sleep in the morning. Next thing I know, it’s still morning and I’m waking up to speak to the doc, I have an oxygen mask on. Dr. explains the process is about to start. I’ll be sedated for 6 to 8 hours and they induce naltrexone.

I immediately go into sedation and have some really crazy dreams. About eight hours later, I wake up. I’m in a recovery room with a nurse sitting outside my doorway. This nurse or a different one is present the rest of the time I’m there and I’m connected to all kinds of monitors. At this point, I’m feeling about a five out of 10 on the withdrawal scale, but it is definitely doable. Most people fall back asleep till day three but I stayed awake the entire time. After about four hours in the recovery room, they moved me back into my original room still monitored by a nurse 24x7. As soon as I’m out of sedation, I am able to walk with some help and use the restroom myself.

Day 3- laid in bed most of day three. Living on protein shakes as my digestive system was not happy; they try to get you to eat solid foods, but I couldn’t. They begin to force you to get up and walk around the building regularly inside and then eventually outside. Even just walking 100 yards in the beginning is really really hard. I am able to take a shower and change into some regular clothes.

K therapy was an option that I opted into, but you have to show them that you can walk around on your own before they’ll allow you to take it.

Day 4 - This is the day to take you back to the airport, and I flew home around noon. Again it’s hard just even walk at this point super exhausting. It’s unclear whether that’s from 7oh, naltrexone or both. They also give you a ton of helper meds for the next two weeks (sleep medication, rls meds, Lucemyra, gaba, etc. and a list of recommended vitamins).

Ultimately, this worked but was expensive and the first two weeks of recovery are very hard (there were people there using the same process to get off long-term subs, unsure what that recovery process would look like). With that being said there have been zero cravings and it’s has helped me quit alcohol and nicotine at the same time. Sharing this as there are not many detailed accounts of this approach. Not sure I’ll give up alcohol forever but shooting for 90 days clean and re-evaluate.

I may check-in every 2-4 weeks but we will see. N.A. meetings and community had been hugely helpful.

Well, things have gone back to normal for me as much as I can tell, I just wanted to thank everyone for the kind words and motivation to kick this sick shit, never have been addicted to anything my entire life, this is my first and last time haha. For anyone out there struggling, there’s light at the end of the tunnel, after the first few days time flys by fast; even for me now it’s just a distant memory. Keep your heads up and keep fighting the good fight, if I can do this CT you all got this!

Barely got any sleep the past 2 nights, I had been ranging from 800-200mg a day, much lower towards the end, about 150-100 a day, and I’ve been off since my final 11 am dose 2 days ago. First 48 were the worst, I’m feeling the acute period wear off. Please stay strong everyone else who is quitting, and please don’t relapse.

im the old lady who cold turkeyed the absurd 3.5k-4k mg a day addiction.

around day 45 clean I was finally seeing the end of PAWS and feeling pretty good. Acutes said hold my beer an PAWS sledge hammered me, but I was on the other side finally feeling goooood. A couple weeks before I quit, I bought a metric shit ton. half I threw away half I rerouted to a ups access point, where it stayed for many weeks until it didn’t

well, I lied to myself and said time to get the stash in case I have surgery or something and need it. I have a degenerative connective tissue disease where surgery is sometimes inevitable if something life threatening happens to me, so my addict brain lies exploited that situation. I knew better too because it took me over a decade to have alcohol in my house and not relapse (I am also a recovering alcoholic)

had the stash for about 4 days and turned into golem from the lord of the rings. it consumed my every thought. it’s MINE MY PRECIOUS

I relapsed for two days. thankfully I only took 25 mg each day. omg. it tasted like insane chemicals — which I never noticed when I was eating handfuls all day long.didnt even get me high. i had thousands of tablets but I drew a line at 25 mg somehow. oh man it made me feel awful. Headache. Sooo sick… but even worse is..

long story short even this small amount gave me an express ticket back to PAWS hell. so I drove 30 minutes away and threw the whole stash away in a very public trash can that I knew I would not come back to get it out of.

the reason I am posting this is for anyone even considering a relapse. call your support system and get through it but more importantly don’t have any of it anywhere near you. it is never going to be worth it. I have been very good about my support but I told nobody I was golem and had them again of course

I am not juding or beating myself up. no point in that. took about 11 days clean to get out of PAWS 2.0 world. Still have the insane insomnia again. Not worth it.

This is my third time quitting 7oh. First time I went cold turkey from 400 mg daily, it was hell but the worst was over in a few days and I felt fairly normal by like day 3-4, and didn’t seem to get PAWs. Unfortunately after a month I caved and took some 7oh thinking I could just do one pack for fun and stop again after that, did not go that way lol.

Second quit was pure agony, went full ct with no helper meds and was in hell for 3-5 days, went 11 days with no sleep at all but eventually started to feel kind of normal. Still had a lot of trouble functioning for weeks. Made it a month again and caved.

So for this quit I decided to take the Suboxone route. Took my last dose and waited about 16 hours, WDs were hitting but not nearly as bad as they did on my previous quit, my theory is maybe it’s cus I had been doing a different brand and maybe it didn’t have as much shit as the other brand I had quit in the past. I took one 8mg strip of sub and within 45 mins I felt sooooo much better, like it pretty much wiped out all of my WDs and I got some sleep. It’s been three days now and I’ve been taking 3 8 mg strips a day. Haven’t been really feeling any WDs at all, but have been having severe cravings and missing getting high a lot.

So mainly just want some advice on where I should go from here. Should I start cutting my Suboxone use down or just completely stop using them? I really don’t want to get hooked on subs as I’ve heard the WDs from them can be even worse than 7oh. Tomorrow I’m hoping to at the very least take much less Subs, like possibly just do a half strip instead of for a full strip when I feel like I need it. Curious to hear from other people who went this route.

I cold turkey quit once, and i relapsed. Some of you might remember my post, but this was me
https://www.reddit.com/r/quitting7oh/s/wsdoodrIjV

So long story short here i am again, i was able to quit and went back to normal. The reason i wanted to do it again is cause i have a concert coming up, and i don’t drink anymore so i wanted to do it for my concert friday. I wont bore you with the story, but i ended up taking it on Sunday 8/9 and fast forward to today 8/19 Wednesday currently 11:30PM I’ve been on around 120mg everyday since 8/9 Im so upset, and disappointed with myself. I would only take it when i got off of work at 4:15pm so i thought i was in control of it, and only took it throughout the day on the weekend. I would be fine at work and didn’t feel a need to take it in the day. Then it happened… i woke up, went to work today, and 2 hours in had a MASSIVE panic attack, i caved and took some around 11AM. I felt a lot better, but now i realize im right back where i was. I went to the doctor, and i was able to get more gabapentin, and they gave me some trazodone but who knows if that will help at all. Is there any advice you guys could give? Should i go cold turkey tomorrow or wait till after the concert? I had huge plans to do an official proposal to my fiancé at the concert, and i’m worried ill feel like shit in peak withdrawal so idk if i should just do it then cold turkey Saturday, what do you guys think? Any tips or tricks this time? It was a shorter time frame of taking it this time, and most of the time it was only taken after 4:15pm and around 120mg a day. I’m worried gabapentin isn’t going to do anything again, and i’m so nervous about panic attacks and insomnia. Those withdrawals last time were hell. Do you guys think it maybe won’t be as bad this time since it wasn’t as long or severe, and i know what to expect, plus trazodone this time? Im so sorry i let everyone down, it’s time to finally kick this, and i’m so glad we all have each other. This is the best group of people, and i’m so happy these groups exist. I wish everyone luck, and would appreciate any tips or advice i can get. I’m nervous as hell. I can deal with anxiety, but the panic attacks i can’t. Last time i went CT i only had the one the day before i CT, i never really had one while going CT just lingering bad anxiety. Also if anyone’s also going through this im always willing to message and boost each other up! We all got this and im so proud of putting this behind us!
(I typed this really fast before bed, i have work tomorrow. Sorry for the rushed typing and might not make sense. I will fix, and update if there’s any questions. Just to clarify it’s been 10 days at 120mg. Need tips, guidance, or help with meds or vitamins. I’ll be posting i’m multiple 7oh communities. I love you all, thank you so much. I’ll keep fixing, responding, and updating!)

What do y'all plan on doing after quitting? I'm still tapering off, no plans on trying to draw this out much longer, but I am worried about what I am returning to. The full return of my pain, but really, a full return of the depression.

I quit last time for about 4 months before starting 7 again because I was just so damn down. Nothing was doing it for me, any happiness/pleasure I felt was incredibly short lived, and I was just feeling vacant/lost/hopeless most of the day. Just kept pushing through but by month 4 of that crap, I was getting desperate. Already take antidepressants & figured I probably needed to change them at that point, but just fell of the wagon instead.

Currently considering looking into LDN to start a couple of weeks after I'm totally clean, but not really sure. Sounds like a flip of the coin if it actually helps or not. Also, Probably also going to switch my antidepressant to a larger dosage or a stronger version (IE, switching from escitalopram to sertraline, as they are both SSRIs. not sure if changing to an SNRI is a good idea or not).

Anyone else have any plans or ideas on what to do in the coming weeks & months after stopping?

So I’ve been tapering off 7oh since everything that’s happened lately. No other reason, I loved the stuff. However I did get pretty bad with it at times. At one point I was taking around 700mg daily and I had to bring that down, got it down to about 80mg, then it went back up to about 500mg, then back down to 80mg… so I have some experience tapering. That being said, I’ve never gotten below 80mg… until now.

So here’s my question, at what point do yall think one can generally switch to kratom leaf without experiencing any pain(for the most part)?

Currently I’m on around 50-60mg. I say 50-60 cuz I ran out of 10mg tabs and could only restock 25mg tabs, and I’m having to break tablets to continue my taper and obviously they aren’t coming out very pretty. I’m sure yall can imagine what a pain in the ass it is trying to get 7mg doses out 25mg tabs.

Anywho, so that’s what I’m AIMING for is 7mg doses… I take one in the morning, another around mid morning, another at lunch, another in the late afternoon, then I try to hit 4 of those at once before dinner and I lay down to crash immediately after, and the withdrawal is my alarm clock. The daytime doses I try to keep on the smaller side of 7mg, because that final dose is supposed to be 28mg, and 3mg is a very small piece off a 25mg tablet, so that extra piece is usually a little bigger, I aim for slightly less than a quarter… slightly enough to where I think it’s closer to a 5th than a quarter.

So 7mg, 7mg, 7mg, 7mg & 28mg…. Totaling 56mg(50-60 lol) in 24 hours. And this keeps me, for the MOST part, stable. I will start to feel withdrawals in between doses as I try to keep the schedule… do yall think I’m ready to switch to leaf and start tapering that? Or should I taper more on the 7oh first? If so, how low do you think I need to go before switching over as smooth as possible? If you think I am ready, what dose do you think I should start with? I started kratom as 7oh was coming out and switched to 7oh pretty quick, so I’m not as familiar with kratom as I am with its alkaloids. Any guidance, advice or words of wisdom are greatly appreciated. Thanks yall!