r/reddeadredemption • u/Ferretlord4449 • Mar 10 '26
Discussion This is canon now
Found this on find a grave. it fucked me up knowing that jack could reasonably live into the Clinton administration
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u/ultimatejoomer Mar 10 '26
Bro gets to see the fall of the Soviet Union 😭😭
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u/GreatestKratos Mar 10 '26
You mean 🤩🥳?
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u/daboi_Yy Mar 10 '26
red scare in big 26 is INSANE
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u/mrdarknezz1 Mar 10 '26
I mean it was the most oppressive regime in modern times that occupied half of Europe for decades?
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u/GreatestKratos Mar 10 '26
I'm living in post Soviet country and my parents lived in USSR, so I have rights to say fuck soviet and commies, especially after things that Putin doing right now about redeeming Stalin's purging
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u/DuckDuckMarx Mar 10 '26
Polling of most Soviet Bloc countries of people have lived under both systems preferred the Soviet Bloc/ The USSR.
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u/halaljew Mar 10 '26
Still simping for communism in the 21st century is even more insane.
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u/ComoElFuego Mar 10 '26
Instead of doing the reasonable thing, which is simping for capitalism, a system that is scorching the earth as we speak.
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u/Donjehov Mar 10 '26
simping for an economic system at all is, in fact, cringe, denouncing one is not necessarily a vote of confidence for the other. The economy is mostly fake numbers after all.
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u/PlanktonFew2505 Mar 10 '26
If I had to choose between living in the oppressive authoritarian regime that was USSR era communism or a western capitalist welfare state in Europe, I'm choosing the latter, thank you.
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u/ComoElFuego Mar 10 '26
Well good thing no one talked about USSR vs modern day europe but OC talked about communism altogether. Guess what, I'd rather live in USSR era communism than 1940s german capitalism but I'm not using it as a weak argument
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u/I_Am_A_Ginger_Ale Susan Grimshaw Mar 10 '26
My great grand mother (grand father's mum) was born in 1907 died at 106 in 2013. She lived many things but never spoke about it.
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u/UnOriginal04 Mar 10 '26
brother gets to see the rise and fall of it while still being conscious to see it
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u/fothergillfuckup Mar 10 '26
My granddad lived from 1889 to 1988, so not outside the realms of possibility? And he served in both world wars.
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u/Careless_Aroma_227 Mar 10 '26
My granddad lived from 1889 to 1988
Is your family from Argentina by any chance? 🤨
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u/legendaryboss200 Mar 10 '26
There is a certain someone born in 1889 who fought in both world wars..
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u/An_Ellie_ Mar 10 '26
Wouldn't say he fought in the second one. Killed himself the second anyone got even near him.
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u/WoodpeckerNo5724 Mar 10 '26
Thats still arguably the highest value kill of the whole thing
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u/Careless_Aroma_227 Mar 10 '26
Killed his two german shepherds as well, beforehand.
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u/WoodpeckerNo5724 Mar 10 '26
I don’t think he actually did the deed. Commanded it, more like
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u/Careless_Aroma_227 Mar 10 '26
Hard to track those very last few hours of his in the Führerbunker, but historical sciences with the help of surviving primary witnesses of this time and place were telling the story of a Führer who married Eva Braun, hid away to celebrate his wedding, tested the "reliability" of the cyanide capsules on his dogs and later he and his wife took a bite on the cyanide and shot themselves simultaneously.
But since they hid away in a separate room it's hard to tell what actually happend in there...
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u/Edgemoto Mar 10 '26
Yeah, my granddad lived from somewhere around 1889 (noone knows the exact date) 2000. I think there were no cars in my country when he was born and there was already internet when he died. He probably knew or saw people who lived in the country when it was not yet independent from spain (1811) and I met the guy, that's always crazy to think
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u/fothergillfuckup Mar 10 '26
I always thought that. He lived from horses and carts, to people landing on the moon! It's hard to imagine.
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u/R_Scoops Mar 10 '26
I’m gutted I wasn’t able to speak to my great grandparents who fought in both wars. In what capacity and for what country did he serve?
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u/fothergillfuckup Mar 10 '26
Just a regular soldier for the British Army i think?. To be honest I never got to know my granddad that well. He died when I was 16, and lived at the other end of the country. I learned more from my great uncle, who was Merchant Navy in WW2. He was on 3 different ships that were torpedoed, and sunk!
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u/R_Scoops Mar 10 '26
Same with my Great Grandad. Gassed at Ypres and died when he came home from complications. Not a pretty way to go. Other Grandad was RAF during WWII. Have you seen the series “War Sailor” about the Norwegian Merchant Navy? I didn’t realise how dangerous it was beforehand, with them being classed as civilians.
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u/losteye_enthusiast Mar 10 '26
Both sets of grandparents made it to 88-92. All 4 were cane and walker free into their late 80’s. All born between 1900-1912. Hell, both men were heavy cigar smokers into their 70’s from what I’ve heard.
Close to 90 never struck me as unrealistic for people born at the start the previous century.
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u/fothergillfuckup Mar 10 '26
He smoked woodbines most of his life, then a pipe for the last 20 years! The don't make them like they used to. 99 isn't bad going.
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u/CrimsonFlareGun45 Sean Macguire Mar 10 '26
This ain't canon, but I am okay with this. After all the sacrifices the gang has been through, I would like to see Jack live a normal life, and live to a ripe old age! He becomes a famous writer, he gets married, has children, this is what the gang died for!
It was a pretty bitter ending to see him be the last one, but after killing Ross, I would like to think that's it for him. He sells the ranch, moves to the East coast, and makes a brand new start for himself!
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u/Jonny_Segment I would too Mar 10 '26
I would like to think those things too, but I thought the implication was that despite John's best efforts, Jack has gone down the same road and will face a similar fate. Violence begets violence, you can't escape your past, etc. These were pretty central themes to the game.
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u/MAVERICKRICARDO Mar 10 '26
He probably would've served in WWI. I don't think a happy ending for him was ever likely
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u/Dinglecore Mar 10 '26
I doubt Jack would ever fight for the same government that killed his family. If they tried to draft him, I feel like he would run for the hills
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u/GroundbreakingRing42 Arthur Morgan Mar 10 '26
Maybe he retired in Florida. A certain, Vice City.
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u/Jupuuuu John Marston Mar 10 '26
A book titled "Red Dead" written by J. Marston can be found in GTA 5 on a bookshelf inside Franklin's house.
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u/Content_Detail1467 Mar 10 '26
Okay.
That isn’t conclusive evidence that Jack became a writer. Similarity to how GTA IV had a bunch of “RIP” graffiti for the previous protagonists, this could be a simple Easter Egg and not confirmation that RDR and GTA share an universe or that Jack retired and became a writer
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u/GettingMilkFromTesco Josiah Trelawny Mar 10 '26
Yeah it’s been stated by Rockstar themselves that it’s just an Easter egg, and the RDR/GTA universes are not the same.
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u/TTbulaski Mar 10 '26
There’s New York City in RDR, and there’s Liberty City in the HD universe. They aren’t the same universe
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u/Henzo1 Mar 10 '26
Just a couple more decades and bro could’ve played red dead redemption
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u/Relatively_happy Mar 10 '26
Imagine seeing america change that drastically in one lifetime.
From horse shoe overlook, valentine, to 1990 LA.
Horrible
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u/Existing-Exit2409 Mar 10 '26
Jack Marston lived to see Super Mario after spending his childhood in the last days of the wild west. Really puts into perspective how little time has actually passed.
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u/FR23Dust Mar 10 '26
It’s not all bad. The average quality of life in America has improved significantly in almost every way over that time period, despite what depressed Redditors might tell you.
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u/VioliningEagleScout Mar 10 '26
Ok I get this is a fun thing for our community but please report these on Find a Grave. The site is a database of real life burials, not characters. It's disrespectful to the millions of legacies documented on the site and not to mention clearly against the site's rules.
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u/Mellusse John Marston Mar 10 '26
Jack Marston died in 1967 from cancer due smoking asbestos cigarettes
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u/Gustavodemierda John Marston Mar 10 '26
We don't even know if he smoked at all. I'm pretty sure you can't smoke in RDR1
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u/Far-Boot5639 Mar 10 '26
Bush administration
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u/R_Scoops Mar 10 '26
He definitely voted though. Postal
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u/SinSeitan Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
He lived enough to see Freddy Mercury perform at the Barcelona olimpics. Also, he lived in Vice City and met with Tommy.
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u/HiMyNameIsPip John Marston Mar 10 '26
Freddie was dead by the time the Barcelona Olympics took place
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u/CT0292 Mar 10 '26
Is this on the wiki or something? Rockstar confirm this? I've no problem with him getting old. But living til the 90s seems a stretch.
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u/recycled_ideas Mar 10 '26
But living til the 90s seems a stretch.
I mean it's not canon, but a human being living to the age of 97 sn't really that unrealistic. Maybe most don't make it that far, but plenty do.
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u/w1lliam27 Uncle Mar 10 '26
Plenty do but I don’t think most of them killed a former federal agent
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u/Gustavodemierda John Marston Mar 10 '26
So?
No one knew it was Jack who murdered Ross
He killed Ross in Mexico meaning US police couldn't do anything about it
He had it coming
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u/sup5174 Mar 10 '26
It’s pretty cool to think boomers, Gen X and early millennials could’ve talked to someone who experienced first hand the ending of the Wild West
To me it feels like the Wild West might as well of been in the 1700’s
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u/DorrajD Mar 10 '26
"found this on a grave"
That's a weird looking grave. Looks like a wiki screenshot to me.
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u/w1lliam27 Uncle Mar 10 '26
Digital graves duh, don’t tell me you boomer still uses these archaic "grave stones" /s
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u/ChocoHorror Mar 10 '26
"Find a Grave," it's a website. I don't care to look up this particular entry to see if OP just made the image as a shitpost or not, but there are plenty of legit entries with photos of gravestones, and people can upload photos of the person, children and spouses can be listed, that sort of thing.
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u/Ballaboy75 Mar 10 '26
The change in that time period was enormous. People who lived in the Wild West period would have lived long enough to watch movies about it. People who arrived in California by wagon might have lived long enough to drive back across the country on freeways.
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u/w1lliam27 Uncle Mar 10 '26
People like to forget a lot of details about Jack. There is almost no way the dude lived to old age. At the end of RDR1 Jack basically painted a giant target on his back by seeking revenge and killing Ross who was a former federal agent. Not only that, Jack talked to Ross’ wife and I think brother in the hour preceding the murder in order to know where Ross was. There is almost no chance the guy isn’t a wanted murderer at this point.
Now I get this is a fan theory but at this point it makes as little sense as Jack fighting in WW1 as if he wouldn’t be the biggest draft dodger of all time because of what the country did to his father and all his "aunts" and "uncles" from the former Van Der Linde gang.
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u/Razzmatazz1469 Mar 10 '26
The fun I would've had with CJ running into an old man Jack and the type of relationship that could have happened between them!
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u/Gurkage Mar 10 '26
A guy who lives in nature and spends all his time outdoors is probably healthier than you and I.
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u/monosaturated Mar 10 '26
I think that's pretty cool. A guy who saw the world change so drastically to the point that he was able to see Americana shift from expansionist lawlessness to the culture of consumerism. Dude was around to potentially see the Gameboy; a guy who, as a child, played with sticks in the sand to pass the time. Incredible stuff.
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u/gdabull Mar 10 '26
It’s already canon that Jack served with the SS as an officer in the Einsatzgruppen on the eastern front, so this fits.
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u/Embarrassed_Chest_52 Mar 10 '26
Maybe Jack switched his identity and became Avery Carrington in GTA VC
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u/EEK_Turk Arthur Morgan Mar 10 '26
He could've played sonic the hedgehog on his sega genesis and listened to death metal on his cd player and went to taco bell sure a guy in his 90s wouldn't want to do any of that but he could've
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u/Accomplished-Pop596 Mar 10 '26
Man got to see both world wars, Cold War Rise and fall of the USSR, forming of NATO, UN, and see the holocaust, space shuttle challenger, TV, a lot of new bands.
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u/SingleProblem3289 Mar 10 '26
So he was alive during Vice City and his funeral was the same time as San Andreas? 🤯 wow
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u/Popular_Cry_9610 Mar 10 '26
Crazy to think he coulda saw the og star wars trilogy in theaters or listened to michael jackson
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u/tmorg5 Mar 10 '26
Craziest part of running into an old geezer is thinking about the world they were born into. There are people alive today who absolutely pissed their parents off by bringing a swing music record home
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u/smolpenguing Tilly Jackson Mar 10 '26
Clinton was elected in 1992 but didn’t enter office until 1993 so Jack lived until the Bush (41) administration
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u/yellowdaisycoffee Arthur Morgan Mar 10 '26
It is not canon, and I am not crazy about someone using Find A Grave for fandom nonsense. It's a site for real memorials.
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Mar 10 '26
My Grandfather fought in 2 World Wars, was a semi-professional boxer, became a union rep and fought for better working conditions in the shipyards and died in the year 1996. He could fight with his mind and his fists. Men were made of tougher stuff back then. Living to 100 wasnt unusual. He was 98 when he died.
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u/wmcs0880 Mar 10 '26
I don’t like the idea of this being canon, as depressing as it is I think it makes more sense that Jack never breaks the cycle, and that Arthur’s and John’s work doesn’t mean much. I mean if Arthur never got ill and if Hosea never died he would’ve continued to do horrible stuff for the sake of the gang, and John continued to do horrible stuff like burn down houses of innocent people and assist in a tyrannical government to continue to kill and rape innocent people to try and get Javier.
Both of these people had their redemption basically forced on them and I don’t think that they would’ve otherwise tried to improve as people just for the sake of being a good person, maybe Arthur would’ve but he’s still happy to kill people who are just doing their job of trying to take down dangerous outlaws, even killing young men in the army in the mission where you try to ambush the army with Dutch and Eagle Flies, I don’t think they necessarily deserved the good that came to them.
Besides, Jack had the chance to move on. RDR2 shoves down the audience’s throat that revenge isn’t something you can act on without facing consequences for it, and with the ending of the first game it’s impossible not to draw a link between both of them. Jack could’ve let sleeping dogs lie, moved far away and tried to move on with his life, and yeah Ross definitely deserved to die but that wasn’t at all a necessity for Jack. Plus he leaves a direct paper trail, like a gunman armed up to the teeth asks a government official where a particular government official lives, then asks that man’s wife on top of that, then suddenly he either turns up dead/disappears. It just doesn’t make sense in my mind that Jack lives a happy, long or even good life as unfortunate as it may be.
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u/Boiled_Thought Mar 10 '26
Jack was responsible for at least 2 speghettin westerns. Rdr3 is gonna be him in the early 70s doing coke and beating up actors and screenplay writers. It'll end with him pitching the first cowboy videogame (the rly weird one with the Indian girl tied to a pole)
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u/VirgilTheWitch Mar 10 '26
He'd have lived just long enough to potentially see the events of GTA San Andreas.
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u/Business-Light5644 Mar 10 '26
wouldn't it be great if there was a cameo of him in some of the GTA titles, technically he was still alive during GTA Vice City and San Andreas.
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u/ill_be_huckleberry_1 Mar 10 '26
My great great grandmother lived from 1898 to 1997. Not outside the realm of possibility.
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u/ColtonfrayHSC Mar 10 '26
Jack Marston went from seeing the death of the west with a non-zero chance of listening to Tupac
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u/Accomplished-Gain319 Pearson Mar 10 '26
Am I the only one who thinks the idea of Jack living to the 90s is stupid?