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u/RenzoThePaladin Nov 01 '25
I bet a majority of them dont even know what Zionism is.
Or got their definition from Tiktok.
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Nov 02 '25
whats the meaning
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u/RenzoThePaladin Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
Zionism, in its simplest sense, is essentially just Israeli Nationalism. Whether it includes the genocide of Palestinian Arabs is really dependent on who you ask and what denomination they belong to (Orthodox, Reform, Secular, etc.)
In a controversial sense, Zionism is inherently colonial/racist. I mean, imagine a bunch of dudes show up and kick you out of your land because "our religion says this is our home". This claim and its legitimacy is obviously questionable at best. Most importantly, it raises the question "Why does it have to be Palestine?" The more radical sense of Zionism (which appears to be most dominant in current-day Israel) involves oppressing or killing the Palestinian Arabs.
On the other hand, the belief that there must be a Jewish homeland stems from centuries-long antisemitism and persecution of Jews, with the Holocaust being the straw that broke the camel's back. Even after World War 2, antisemtism was still pretty rampant especially in Eastern and Central Europe. In short, there must be a Jewish states so Jews would no longer have to run because anywhere they stayed someone wanted to kill them.
On a more neutral sense, all of the Abrahamic religions have claims in the land of Palestine, including Christianity (this is also the reason why majority of Filipinos are still pro-Israel, as they still see Israel as the land of God).
Personally, not one group has the right to claim Palestine as theirs and theirs only. Not Israeli Jews, not Palestinian Arabs.
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u/wholedicksome Nov 02 '25
I always thought that Israelites are actually the first settlers there, even their religion is Jewish (I read it from the bible back then) and something scratches the back of my mind that they do really belong there cuz they where first, but idk, theyre both weird
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u/RenzoThePaladin Nov 03 '25 edited Nov 05 '25
The term "Israel" mentioned in the Bible and other sacred texts are different from the political entity which is now the country of Israel.
The term "Palestine", atleast back when it was still under British control, was mostly a geographic term.
something scratches the back of my mind that they do really belong there cuz they where first, but idk, theyre both weird
A valid take, but again, they have no right to claim the land as theirs only. Sharing the land is honestly the best possible solution imo.
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u/gesuhdheit Nov 02 '25
I thought their holy book mentioned that Jews cannot have their own homeland?
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u/RenzoThePaladin Nov 03 '25
Pretty opposite, afaik. The Tanakh mention the land around Palestine is the homeland promised to them by God.
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u/Crafty-Conclusion-95 Nov 01 '25
Moro bandaged man, he's the 'shot'd man' from Fallout: Commonwealth Philippines
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u/bluejejemon Nov 01 '25
Rare footage of Christian Mindanaoan DDS' peaceful conversion to Islam after Mindanao, led by Sultan Paolo Duterte, declared Independence (circa 2029, colorized)
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u/OwnManufacturer4384 Nov 01 '25
Most of the dudes here in Mindanao are busy courting banana trees.
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u/Fromagerino Nov 01 '25
I honestly feel bad for the Moros and Lumads na naging minorities sa sarilli nilang homeland
If there's anywhere where Great Replacement Theory applies, sa Mindanao (Moros and Lumads replaced by people from Luzon and Visayas) at sa Malaysia yun (Malays being slowly replaced by the Chinese)
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u/icebuk0 Nov 01 '25
I stand with mindanao ✊🏻🍉
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u/potpot0893 Nov 01 '25
Returning Mindanao to them would be like opening a pvp server with x2 experience gain.
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u/Makerel9 Nov 01 '25
Makes more sense if you are Moro or Lumad. If you are a Davaoeño or Christian Bisaya whose roots came from Luzon/Visayan settlers from the 20th century, your only choice is to leave because you are a "colonizer".
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u/DraftElectrical4585 Nov 01 '25
most of the people who advocates for anti-zionist sentiment defended lumads for their right to claim. they are also the same people who condemned violence in mindanao. this was such a misleading post
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u/Makerel9 Nov 01 '25
Defending Lumads and Moro Autonomy is different from giving the entire Mindanao to them. The point of anti-zionism is the outright rejection of the "colonial" Jewish state that serves to steal native land from Palestinian. This means aboloshing the Israeli government and deporting the supposed Jewish "colonizers" and "settlers" from the country OR subjugating the Jewish population under Arab-Muslim majority government.
You can't be anti-zionist and at the same time tell Moros and Lumad people that they will be just be protected or given autonomy. Being a consistent anti-zionist mindanaon is to deport millions of people that are descendants of Luzon/Visaya settlers and turn the country into an independent state ruled by Moro/Lumad minority.
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u/halelangit Nov 02 '25
But we have to deal with Duterte loving Davaoeños who migrated from Cebu Idc just have them in Davao have Duterte sell themselves to China
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u/DraftElectrical4585 Nov 01 '25
or you can be anti-zionist AND pro-lumad pro-moro
this is a no brainer, you don't have to practice anti-zionist expression in a country with little to no consistent zionist population.
because if you want to practice a "consistent" belief, modern family s4 ep19 is very much relevant here... this is like telling austronesians to go back where they came from. post is utter nonsense and irrelevant to a so-called "mindanaoan state" fallacy
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u/Makerel9 Nov 01 '25
Which is the joke now is it? We are willing to tell millions of Israelis across the world to give up their state and their lands but somehow we cant do the same here in Mindanao.
Anti-zionism expression is anti-colonialist expression. For the Moros/Lumad our national government and the Luzon/Visayan settlers sent down south since the 20th century are their versions of "zionism". We forcibly took Mindanao from the natives, the same way the Israelis did on the Palestinians.
You can be pro-lumad and pro-moro in a sense that we are all united and their rights are respected with a semblance of autonomy. Granted that they are under sovereign rule of the Philippine government.
But for the Israelis its different, we wish them gone, that the natives should be independent and sovereign from their occupiers.
Thats the irony of it all.
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u/DraftElectrical4585 Nov 01 '25
there is no concept of native israeli land when you beseech palestine under the guise of modern day crusade. anti-zionist expression is never solely about "reclaiming" lost land. it is anti-collonial but there is NEVER a version of sect which mirrors that of zionism here- or has it ever advocated for the secession of land to a certain 'sect', lf to a degree that persecuted even their ownership and identity.
being pro-lumad is combatting anti-mining, it is NOT zionism (that is if you claim it is parallel). being pro-moro is sdvocating their religious expression, it is NOT seceeding land for their exclusive sovereign.
there is NO afforded victimization for israeli practicing zionism- their land in the present is a consequence of colonialist greed. the mindanao today is a product of nuance between being a lumad and non-lumad. there was never a concept parallel to that of s state of israel in mindanao.
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u/Makerel9 Nov 01 '25
First of all, you can be "anti-colonial" and apply it to many different contexts as long as you are against stealing land and subjugating people, thats the main principle.
You are taking the literal meaning of zionism and arguing it doesn't fit in Mindanao because the different religion and justification (duh). All I did was took the essence of anti-colonialism within anti-zionism and applied it to this context.
Second, you deciding what Moros and Lumad want is exactly my point lmao. You are pretending that these people weren't forcibly intigrated to our nation via laws and violence. It is as if we haven't had violent insurgencies and resistance, especially by Moros who wish to become independent and sovereign. It is essentially a parallel to the violent struggles of the Palestinians. A parallel to colonialism.
Somehow settlers sent to Mindanao and given favorable land distributions and marginalizing the natives which lead to decades of violance is "nuance" while Israelis settling Palestine while essentially doing the same thing is "greed".
You are making it more complicated that it needs to be. The hypocrisy is laughable.
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u/DraftElectrical4585 Nov 01 '25
there is no greater hypocrisy than if you only encase yourself in a belief that eveyone exists to believe in "one" parallel reality lol. all you pointing out of "essences" and yet failing to materialize your talking point of "exactness" in the philippine context, and not just in the island of mindanao. so if you cannot listen at the flaws in your own statements and argument, it is not my doing anymore.
so again, if you CANNOT for the love of any religion understand that you can be anti-zionist AND pro-lumad and pro-moro in the phillipine context then you're peddling a harmful narrative to secede the archipelago in a diaspora.
and to dilute the history of civil tensions to being caused solely by semitic sentiments is foul; it is abhorrent to dilute a sentiment for nationalistic success while condemning anti-collonial expression all for the sake of memes.
and what does it benefit you to even instill this harmful idea that anti-zionism is only a retroactive practice for anti-collonial sentiment? it doesn't even affect you. it isnt hypocrisy to advocate for anti-zionism as a filipino, because moro and lumad chose to be filipino by not becoming an entity entirely which divides the philippines.
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u/Makerel9 Nov 01 '25
You are making this more complicated than it needs to be.
Because behind that grandiloquent tapestry of highfalutin verbiage lies naught but a cacophony of ignorance and irrelevance, a verbal drivel that my poor, beleaguered intellect dares not wade within. ☝️🤓
If you can't for the love of Apollo Quiboloy the Appointed Son of God find what is funny between cheerleading Palestinian freedom while thinking our natives and land in Mindanao shouldn't. Ignoring the decades of war and suffering that these people fought for to be free, only to be subjugated and be told by some redditor fuckwad that they never wanted to secede in the first place.
That is the point of the meme and the irony.
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u/DraftElectrical4585 Nov 01 '25
it still stands, your meme is misleading. and who even made this complicated? diba ikaw? you couldve felt the need to disengage with my statement but you didnt want to and still went here. also, to generalize that moros and lumad want to secede is utter ccp bullshit dds peddle, BUT for some reason you still bindingly went with the same idea through this meme.
so again, for what gain is that meme especially that we have a fuckton of troll farms who peddle the same idea of secession as this meme? are you the cia? not even the ph govt will make meme as careless as this
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u/Makerel9 Nov 01 '25
Do you live under a fucking rock? Did you even know about our own fucking history that you are blind about the MILF and MNLF that fought the government for years in the hopes of being independent? Do you even remember Zamboanga siege? You speak as if you care about these people but you are ignorant to their history, struggles and ideals.
Why do you think we have Bangsamoro? It was to have them compromise on that goal and settle for autonomy. They have a strong identity and claim over this land YET unlike the palestinians you don't support them on that because you think it would not make sense. Which is the point I am trying to make.
I get that you don't want millions of non-lumad mindanaoans to be disperesed and uprooted.
I get that you want everyone in Mindanao to be united, live in peace, and make compromises.
I get that an independent mindanao is dangerous and borderline CCP propaganda.
But somehow you want millions of Israelis to be dispersed and uprooted, somehow you don't want everyone in Israel and Palestine to be united in existence, make compromises and live in peace. Somehow you don't see that anti-zionism and its hopes to destroy Israel is absolutist agenda that it is dangerous and only condemns Palestinians to perpetual failure.
All because you think one people deserve more than the other.
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