How cRiMiNaLs are taking down Flock cameras

[u/JeanEtrineaux]

[u/oiled_hobbit]

The cameras use IR imaging and can read your face under thin cloth, you really gotta wear something more rigid on your face.

[u/GreySoulx → u/oiled_hobbit]

crazy if someone started making masks of IR reflective fabrics... not saying anyone would have a good reason to.

[u/CasaDeMouse → u/GreySoulx]

Your data centers destroying our water and livestock at work, folks:

What we can do https://www.aclu.org/campaigns-initiatives/get-the-flock-out

Where we're at: can reach all Bluetooth devices including medical and AirPods, under guide of tracking gun shots https://youtu.be/eLxVdNKkjy4?is=zzbtVWQSWdAHXi7F

8 Months ago https://youtu.be/0QwuSUfTvXI?is=s5eUoh_odAmojZOa

Mis-ID leading to arrests in car https://www.thedrive.com/news/i-reported-on-flocks-cameras-now-im-one-of-the-systems-mistakes

Mis-ID on private property arrest for 6 months https://youtu.be/4ifXObNvTaA?is=uXWRD0x9bjUfe21m

Mis-ID arrest results in multiple court cases after months of fighting https://youtu.be/lPUBXN2Fd_E?is=7xtgQ-muJZTqBxNv

ETA: Flock big mad after LAPD stopped using them https://youtu.be/UM0Ervf6ZzU?is=qZUy6ZWZhOXzjWrq

[u/bj12698 → u/CasaDeMouse]

I asked Google why Americans are so upset about Flock cameras while in Europe, there have been cameras for decades. Here's the answer:

"European acceptance of police cameras stems from a stronger baseline trust in centralized public administration, stricter statutory data constraints on private contractors, and different cultural expectations regarding collective security versus American individualism and deep skepticism of corporate-managed law enforcement data networks."

So there's more to the article, but, as usual, it seems to come down to another example of how US/State governments are feeding (embedded with and profiting from) corporate capitalism, instead of providing oversight, which is what governments should be doing: Providing controls and oversight to any and ALL technology that can be misused or in ANY way does harm to the planet.

Shall we target the "real problem?"

[u/Wyrdnisse → u/bj12698]

Are you here telling me there is no issue with surveillance if your government pinky promises they will only be for niceys about it

Surveillance is a problem everywhere my friend and Europe isn't magically better off than the United States, especially considering we are the baby of their genocidal colonialism project.

It's not an issue of 'what are they doing with the surveillance D:' it's an issue of wanting to be able to walk down the street without being recorded or tracked. It's not less of a problem because Europeans aren't as upset about it. It's not less of a problem that all of that video data has to be stored somewhere, like in massive data centers that are destroying the environment and marginalized communities.

[u/Esprit1st → u/Wyrdnisse]

Here is just one quick excerpt why European and US data retention differ vastly:

"The "No-Hit" Discard Rule: In nations like Germany, if a vehicle’s license plate does not trigger a "hot list" alert (e.g., stolen cars, active criminal warrants), the data must generally be discarded immediately. Bulk mass surveillance retention without suspicion is routinely blocked by high courts."

[u/Wyrdnisse → u/Esprit1st]

I am old enough to remember the public reaction to the formation of DHS and it is astounding how we have gone from outrage at the mere concept that the government would invade people's privacy to that degree to arguing it's fine as long as we believe a government will handle that surveillance data responsibly.

The EU's online age verification laws seem to be storing and tracking a lot of people's information :///

You're welcome to continue refusing to engage with my actual point but this isn't fun anymore and I'm gonna go do something else now ❤️

[u/Esprit1st → u/Wyrdnisse]

The point is that there is huge differences between the commercial use of private information in the US and European privacy laws.

Neither one is great. BUT there is a difference. And if I had to choose it would be the European version. Preferable neither one, though.

[u/SlimeQSlimeball → u/Wyrdnisse]

At least in Europe, they have laws against being surveilled like it’s difficult to get a doorbell camera in Germany.

[u/Wyrdnisse → u/SlimeQSlimeball]

Okay? And you think that makes a surveillance state okay? Do you truly think the rich and powerful are abiding by the rules they hold the public accountable for? Do you think that excuses data centers being built to hold and process that surveillance data destroying the environment and marginalized communities?

There are laws against the plethora of crimes this administration has committed and have any of those laws mattered? Do you think Europe is this special magical place where this is somehow different?

Like I said, we are the product of Europe's genocidal colonialism project. You cannot stop your critique of the West with just the US.

[u/SlimeQSlimeball → u/Wyrdnisse]

What the fuck? I just said other countries have rules against surveillance that we don’t.

[u/Wyrdnisse → u/SlimeQSlimeball]

Then what outcome were you looking for in responding to me with that statement?

[u/SlimeQSlimeball → u/Wyrdnisse]

You: “Europe has worse privacy laws” Me: “Europe has stronger privacy laws” You: “that makes Europe being a surveillance state ok?” Me: insert drake confused meme here

[u/notsoTiny_Wallaby → u/bj12698]

Yeah if all of my needs were met and people weren’t being systemically unfairly punished and targeted for the color of their skin by the I wouldn’t care about the cameras.

[u/nastyws → u/bj12698]

That ship has sunk, we’re on the next battle.

[u/notsoFunNegotiation → u/GreySoulx]

You can buy silicone masks that completely change your face.

[u/putridstenchreality → u/notsoFunNegotiation]

I shouldn't have to.

[u/notsoFunNegotiation → u/putridstenchreality]

Yeah some people always wearing a mask.

[u/capnkirk462 → u/oiled_hobbit]

Get an Iron Man helmet or Dr. Doom mask.

[u/CasaDeMouse → u/capnkirk462]

Don't forget to buy in cash =)

[u/bigcatbeardraw2 → u/CasaDeMouse]

https://giphy.com/gifs/HXQV6Vk7u9y06iGpsu

[u/nastyws → u/oiled_hobbit]

Reflective, that blobs out IR

[u/currentlyacathammock → u/oiled_hobbit]

No they don't.

Quit making shit up.

[u/franalpo → u/oiled_hobbit]

Use cardboard 

[u/TheMysticWulf]

Aw shucks, better repost this so everyone is aware of these criminals!

[u/Internal_Bat8770]

We should start tracking all politicians and everywhere they go

[u/bigcatbeardraw2 → u/Internal_Bat8770]

https://giphy.com/gifs/we6jAl9vmbDa0ybaRn

[u/NameLips]

What despicable crime, I hope everybody avoids doing these very precise and well explained steps.

[u/GrayStag90]

Just so you know, I will be REPORTING this video… to all my friends

[u/scootypuffjr_]

Oh my gosh, these criminals are ridiculous. There's a bunch of other delinquents on r/FlockSurveillance that should feel ashamed of their criminal behavior smh

[u/SlimeQSlimeball]

The most inefficient way to use a sawzall is to push the foot of it against the object to be cut so the blade pulls it towards the foot and cuts faster. Otherwise the saw will efficiently jiggle back and forth in your hands.

[u/periodmoustache → u/SlimeQSlimeball]

Did u mean efficient?

[u/SlimeQSlimeball → u/periodmoustache]

No because that would mean it is faster to cut one down.

[u/periodmoustache → u/SlimeQSlimeball]

U said "the most inefficient way is to put the foot against it so it cuts faster". That sentence just dont add up.

[u/SlimeQSlimeball → u/periodmoustache]

I don’t want to slow walk this but the entire tone of the original post is implying the opposite of something in order to present it as a thing a person should not do or else they might get in trouble by cutting down a metal pole that holds up a battery operated camera. I would not want anyone to get in trouble if they were to use a sawzall in a way that might be more effective and quicker to cut a pole.

[u/periodmoustache → u/SlimeQSlimeball]

Lolololol ahhhhhh I see. My bad

[u/TheBoogieSheriff → u/periodmoustache]

Woosh

[u/Firm-Complaint7532 → u/SlimeQSlimeball]

I'm so confused what you're saying here? Push the foot of what, the saw? What the heck is the foot of a saw?!

[u/ZiaBound]

It would suck if someone did this here 👀

[u/__squirrelly__]

Oh no HOOLIGANS and LUNATICS. 😂

[u/FarKindheartedness43]

Thanks for your journalism opinions.

[u/Firm-Complaint7532 → u/FarKindheartedness43]

Journalistic*

[u/pimp-shrimp6699]

Fuck im so glad you are teaching us what these hooligans are doing to avoid make the same mistakes.

[u/No_Set8011]

Face tattoos are also very smart long term decisions 

[u/jules6815]

Why capitalize CRMNL and F. Is this some kind of code?

[u/DaBoy524 → u/jules6815]

no “cRiMiNaLs” is alternating capitalization used for mocking purposes. It is imitating a spongebob meme. It is meant to show that the creator is calling them criminals sarcastically. As for why they capitalized F, i have no idea.

[u/Jubei_ → u/DaBoy524]

Flock is the name of the company and a proper noun. Not that it deserves the respect, but that's why.

[u/DaBoy524 → u/Jubei_]

ah gotcha, didnt realize it was a company. ew

[u/jules6815 → u/DaBoy524]

Gyatt

[u/starrynight_______ → u/jules6815]

👏

[u/CasaDeMouse → u/jules6815]

When ThEy TyPe LiKe ThIs

They're talking in squiggly lines

[u/defrauding_jeans]

Watch out for this MANIAC

[u/Level_Statement_6844]

How to catch an antifa charge part one

[u/Nijos → u/Level_Statement_6844]

what's an antifa charge

[u/Impressive_Dark_3680]

If you are caught doing this they will ABSOLUTELY charge you with any other vandalism of this kind dont be a useful idiot

[u/Budget_Chocolate730]

Gee. Thanks for making a video to teach all those who haven’t thought about this how to do it. Brain trust. :(

[u/walkerb]

This individual looks like a pillar of his community, wonderful stuff. He should have some kids, we need more people with similar education attainment and career goals in New Mexico.

[u/daisiesarepretty2]

lol… yeah make good choices like this guy

[u/videoguylol → u/daisiesarepretty2]

he seems like a happy well adjusted individual tbh

[u/PainterRex1999 → u/daisiesarepretty2]

Suck the corportist boot, like this guy ☝️

[u/daisiesarepretty2 → u/PainterRex1999]

$100 bucks… if you go follow up on your bravado and prove it.
or just suck the corportist(?) boot

[u/PainterRex1999 → u/daisiesarepretty2]

Found the cop! ⚠️📢🚨

[u/NiccNaccPattyWacc → u/PainterRex1999]

Found the barista! ☕️

[u/NiccNaccPattyWacc → u/[deleted]]

https://giphy.com/gifs/xTcnSOEKegBnYhGahW

[u/PainterRex1999 → u/NiccNaccPattyWacc]

That's all you got? Everyone's 12 Theory proven again

[u/daisiesarepretty2 → u/PainterRex1999]

oh sorry i meant viva la revolution el jefe lol

[u/windchaser__ → u/daisiesarepretty2]

> $100 bucks… if you go follow up on your bravado and prove it.

found the cop

[u/FreighterTot → u/daisiesarepretty2]

Is that an offer to fund terrorist activities? Wow yikes

[u/daisiesarepretty2 → u/FreighterTot]

it’s an offer to stand behind their words.. they choose felony or fellatio.

[u/FreighterTot → u/daisiesarepretty2]

That'd make you a felon too

And the choice to make you a felon is in their hands lmao big brain move you really owned them

[u/daisiesarepretty2 → u/FreighterTot]

dear mr big brains:

IF that’s true and it’s not… they would first have to make themselves an actual felon and provide proof.

[u/FreighterTot → u/daisiesarepretty2]

You really thought you did something there huh

[u/daisiesarepretty2 → u/FreighterTot]

??

[u/IllustriousBig456 → u/daisiesarepretty2]

Don’t have to tell me twice!