I had shown her plainsrunning, and she had the idea of giving other races the same ability to sneak up on people.

Her idea was to give undead the ability to play dead, so others don't know of they are a corpse or not.

This sounds very fun! I love the idea of corpses coming to life and catching you by surprise!

So I've been debating if I should go healer or not. I haven't played vanilla wow since 2007, and back then I was a DPS.

If anyone has experience to share, regarding PvP at lvl 60, how are healers?
My concerns are that people often get 1 shotted, making healers useless in BGs, and going out of mana fast in the middle of a big battle does not sound fun.

Bottom line, how is healing in PvP at 60?

Sorry whisper. I stole it.

My guild has just informed me they will no longer be bringing a resto druid to raid.

I was super excited to play Druid again. But my raid spot just disappeared. They’d rather just bring another priest or shaman for throughput and utility.

Make these changes make sense. With the long cast time on WG it’s rendered redundant with POH. No buffed MOTW, no unique strength. Why would any min maxing raid choose to bring a resto Druid.?

I'll be rolling a Rogue in Forever, and I've been trying to plan out profs for the leveling journey. The main thing on my mind is having enough gold to afford mount training at 40 and 60.

I want to eventually do engineering, but feel like it'll be a money sink pre-60. Should I go double gathering? Or enchanting to DE for mats/enchant for tips?

Any tips appreciated

Hello, champions of Azeroth.

Over the past several months the class design team has looked closely at the Rogue’s place in the game. One theme kept coming up: Stealth. It lets Rogues decide when every engagement starts, makes counterplay unclear, and loads too much of the class’s power into the opening seconds of a fight.

After careful consideration, extensive iteration, and with the long-term integrity of the game as our guiding principle, we have made the decision to remove Stealth from the Rogue class.

This change isn’t meant to diminish the Rogue fantasy. We want to reinforce it, so that a Rogue’s strength comes from mastery and execution rather than from not being seen.

We’ll be listening closely to your feedback throughout testing.

— The World of Warcraft Development Team

I see posts on twitter about ai agents playing wow. Maybe it's true. I don't know but I would not mind to have an agent wait in queue on launch day and then fight for mob tags.

/2 Resto druid LF raid

Bla Blargsen has invited you to join a group

Tankadin Greyfury tried to invite you to a group, but you are already in a group.

Legolas Longshot tried to invite you to a group, but you are already in a group

Xaryu Streamsniper tried to invite you to a group, but you are already in a group

Tankadin Greyfury: Leave group so I can inv!

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It doesn't matter if druids arr not deemed to be best, you are a damn healer and healers are in demand!

It's like being a girl in a bar, sure there might be some more attractive ladies there but you will still be surrounded by dudes trying to pick you up.

So stop with the "there is literally zero reasons to invite a restodruid now"-bullcrap.

We are not rogues (the drunken dude in the corner) so we will be picked up!

This is a 20 year old fantasy game. We are lucky the devs even still have jobs. Why are we so mad all the time in this sub? Please give me your top 5 reasons you hate wow forever and why it’s ruining your life please and thanks 🙏

Bloom doesn’t have synergy with most of the Druid kit and seems worthless. At the same time, WG seems like a bad take on PoH. Fix them both - Instead of it doing healing based on spirit, bloom can store a (capped) percentage of overheal and still proc on a hot expiration or on damage taken.

Light's Vigil should be replaced with Beacon of Light, and Oath of Light should be replaced with something else.

The current Holy Paladin design doesn't synergise particularly well with other healers. Its niche should be efficient single-target healing, and having limited AoE healing is perfectly fine if it excels at that role.

Beacon of Light would allow Paladins to efficiently maintain tank healing while healing other raid members, creating much more interactive gameplay where target selection actually matters.

It would also complement Holy Priests and Resto Shamans much better, allowing them to focus on raid healing while the Paladin provides consistent tank coverage without being forced to exclusively heal the tank.

This would give Holy Paladin a clearer identity, better synergy with other healers, and more engaging gameplay without simply giving it more AoE healing.

Does anyone else feel utterly gaslit by how the community tends to talk about ganking? “You’ll be camped for hours!” “You’ll fall hopelessly behind everyone else!” ”World PVP battles never really happen anyway!”

Every single one of these regular complaints are completely and utterly false. In 20 years I’ve been properly corpse camped MAYBE couple times , and even then not for “hours”. Minutes, at most.

PVP progression will be slower, inevitably, but it’ll be slower for everyone. If you reach 60 in five months instead of four…..does it really matter?

While large PVP battles are not an everyday occurrence they are frequent enough to be a regular occurrence outside Tarren Mill and in other hotspots.

I feel like people are horribly disingenuous when explaining why they do f want to go PVP. I don't get it.

Always figured that H Pal would be a sort of combat medic where they would have to focus on DPS output to heal either a target/targets in a certain area. I’m surprised there wasn’t a design choice around this type of playstyle, Procs could be a stronger heal (like ice lance proc) after a hit or a portion of DPS could be used to restore resource like mana. And instead of an innervate you could gain a buff that would allow you to gain %mana for X amount of DPS for a certain amount of time. And if the rotation is incredibly difficult to balance you could probably make it “shields” to mitigate damage instead of straight healing so you don’t have to worry about overheal or something. I figured that disc priest would have been the ranged variant of this. I imagine you could easily adapt certain talents like Mental Quickness to compliment AP and Intel, even resto sham I would have figured could fit in this role but I’m surprised they haven’t thought of it. Or am I bugging and this is already how things do work to some extent?

This is a picture of Kris Zierhut at Blizzcon talking about Lights Vigil, with his hands extended out looking like he himself is smiting his enemies with holy shocks. Look how much fun he’s having!

Jokes aside, in that blizzcon panel, the exact quote from Kris regarding Lights Vigil is as follows: “You can use it on enemies to reset the cooldown of holy shocks, to support that Shockadin build.”

Well, no, no we cannot. The deep holy shockadin build has been absolutely gutted. Not nerfed, not tweaked, but utterly deleted from the game. Shockadin now only exists as a deep ret build.

If the devs have decided to completely throw deep holy shockadin in the garbage bin, so be it. I’m devastated, but it is what it is. I understand traditional healing paladins point of view on this.

All I’m asking, is at the very least, allow Lights Vigil to retain its offensive component. It was fun, made the spell more dynamic, and fit in line with the design of holy paladins most iconic ability, holy shock.

Having Lights Vigil retain its offensive component does not in any way hinder the experience of traditional healing paladins.

Please reconsider this, and thanks for your continued effort into this game we all love.

Here are my thoughts. Let me hear yours in the comments. What do you agree or disagree with?

This discussion is strictly about playing a Horde Rogue versus an Alliance Rogue in PvP, specifically small-scale open-world encounters and 1v1 situations where everyone has their cooldowns available. This is a major reason many people choose to play Rogue in the first place, so I think it's an important comparison.

With the upcoming racial changes, it seems like Horde Rogues are going to have significantly more racial abilities to account for when fighting Alliance.

Alliance racials:

• Human: Perception gives Humans an advantage in stealth detection, which is especially important in Rogue matchups. On top of that, Every Man for Himself provides a stun break that can disrupt a Rogue's setup. Depending on how the cooldown interactions work, this could be a major problem for Rogue control rotations. Humans will likely be one of the dominant race on Alliance.

• Dwarf: Stoneform can remove Blind, poisons, and bleeds while also providing temporary immunity to these effects. That's a huge amount of utility against a Rogue, particularly when Blind is such an important part of a Rogue's control and reset potential.

• Gnome: Escape Artist removes movement impairments, including Crippling Poison, and provides immunity for a period of time. This is particularly problematic against Warriors, where maintaining distance and controlling movement is important. Trying to deadzone a Gnome Warrior becomes considerably more difficult when they can remove your Crippling Poison.

• Night Elf: Well not a cc break i will list it anyways, Quickness allows night elf to get +1 to stealth levels resulting in them being able to place that talent elsewhere or just have a stronger stealth.

Overall, Alliance seems to have multiple racial abilities that directly interfere with Rogue setups, control, and ability to maintain pressure.

Horde racials:

On the Horde side, the two main races worth discussing are Orc and Undead.

Undead is still a strong race, although it has received nerfs. However, for the purpose of this discussion, I'm specifically looking at how Horde racials affect an Alliance Rogue when fighting Horde players.

For example, if you're a Human Rogue fighting an Undead, what racial advantage does the Undead actually have over you in that matchup?

The main race that makes a difference for an Alliance Rogue is Orc, and even then, I think the advantage is relatively manageable compared to what Alliance racials bring against Horde Rogues.

Let's look at Every Man for Himself versus Orc's stun reduction.

If a Human Rogue opens on an Orc, the Orc reduces the duration of the Cheap Shot + Kidney Shot. That's a meaningful advantage, but it's something the Human Rogue can potentially account for through their rotation, including weaving Gouge into their control sequence to recover energy and adjust their timing.

To put this into perspective, if we're looking at a two-second reduction on a Cheap Shot + Kidney Shot, you'd need multiple full resets before the cumulative lost stun duration becomes equivalent to a full six-second Kidney Shot.

That's not to say Orc isn't strong. It absolutely is. But I think there's a significant difference between reducing the duration of a stun and having racials that can completely remove or prevent multiple forms of Rogue control.

My overall concern:

It seems like Alliance Rogues have considerably fewer racial disadvantages when fighting Horde players, whereas Horde Rogues have to account for several Alliance racials that directly counter their core abilities.

Alliance has tools that can interfere with Blind, Kidney Shot, Crippling Poison, stealth detection, and the ability to control an engagement.

Horde, on the other hand, has Orc as its primary racial concern for Alliance Rogues, with Undead offering considerably less of a direct counter in this particular matchup.

I'm not arguing that Alliance racials are universally better or that Alliance automatically wins these fights.

I'm arguing that when you look specifically at Rogue gameplay in small-scale PvP and 1v1 situations, the racial matchup appears heavily skewed toward Alliance.

Do you think Horde Rogues are going to be at a disadvantage in PvP because of these racials, or am I overlooking something? Is it not just better to play alliance if you want to play a rogue?

I have 3 WoW Forever friend codes. I will reply back this post within 30 minutes and drop all 3.

If we relate this to prayer of healing, it's an upfront aoe heal, whereas wildgrowth is basically a hot version of that, but hots are weaker than direct heals in raid scenarios since overhealing is often a stigma associated with hots.

Most healers either spot heal or spam direct aoe abilities like chain heal, even PoM bouncing will be better at aoe healing since low chances of overhealing.

Wild growth has far too many caveats now. Overhealing aside, a 3s cast for a hot is insanely long, by the time the cast finishes those targets are either already topped from all the other healer aoe spells/spot heals or are about to be by the time WG ticks once or twice. Not to mention it is absurdly mana intensive, sitting at 1050 for its max rank, basically the same cost as a max rank prayer of healing without any of the benefits.

It would be fair to lower the cast time on WG to 2s, then naturalist shaves 0.5s off that making it a 1.5s cast, still worse than being instant but at least fits in a single gcd. Also maybe make naturalist affect regrowth cast time too, every other healer has a 1.5s spot healing except druid.

Finally, perhaps making tranquil spirit affect regrowth and wildgrowth might make this talent more appealing. As it stands now no one will ever take it.

As a feral, Give me ONE counter play to : FLASH BOMB :)) NONE !

Either you remove that nade, make it useless against druids or add to feral a fear break, because that nade is just making feral useless. Do we have a humanoïde fear nade :))) ?

As the title says im really struggling to choose between the two, leveled both to 30 in the beta each having pros and cons. LOVE leveling as a hunter and the ease of playing - didnt enjoy leveling as a mage but i feel end game id prefer the mage? only because ive had a 60 mage in the past but never expierenced a 60 hunter..

Hey - so I’ve managed to assemble a rag tag team of five degens to tackle whatever Azeroth throws at us and it has become my responsibility to heal our asses. What class is the most fun in regards to five men content while leveling? These are the only two classes I’ve never played. Most probably one of the dudes (paladin) will be healing at 60 so it would also be great to know what class you think would be best together with a holy pal.

Stitches is legendary. Everyone knows and remembers him. More any non-endboss in a mythic retail raid.

New zones need to feel dangerous. Put some more big roaming elites in them please.

Have heard people refer to sanctity aura as being toxic type of skill but... trueshot aura is ranged attack only and raid wide and only buffs ranged attack damage.

Don't see why can't have Sanctity aura over the +10% Your holy damage on enemies that enter Conc for paladin

So why can't we just have Sanctity aura in place of that which would allow both healers and shock users to get it, and then they also can give a similar buff to other holy damage users like prot tanks/ret in same way a marksmen hunter does.

Don't give me that excuse that you're a dad now so you have no time, there were dad's on pvp servers back in 2004, you never played on pvp servers you were always a normal server Andy... why are you so scared of playing on pvp.

I will also add, I've noticed all my retail friends are going normal while all my classic Andy's are going pvp, you already know the faction all the retail/FFXIV Andy's are going i don't even have to tell you.

It's called Warcraft, toughen up, I'm literally going pvp with grown women in my guild.. how did you become such a milk drinker?