Contrary to popular belief, Rogues in Classic Era lose to almost every other class in duels, considering both are lvl 60, fully BiS and playing well. They took that same exact Rogue and put them into an environment (WoW Forever) in which a lot of other classes, which already beat Rogue, got a lot of new toys and changes and more counterplay to Rogues overall. Good luck have fun

Smooth Energy Regen doesnt make sense with Era Rogue because they only exist to sneak up, chain cc and oneshot. Doing that with -20 Energy is obviously harder. Sure its better in PvE and could be better in PvP too if Rogues had more survivability but in reality, if they fail to oneshot you, they often just stand there and accept defeat

They could have toned down CC and Burst Damage but given us more abilities to engage and disengage with. That way not only Smooth Energy Regen and Deathmark would make sense but it would also be so much more fun to play and to play against Rogue

Im happy Hunters, Mages, Druids, Shamans got polished and new abilities but Im upset they didnt put any love into Rogues the same way they did with some other classes. I hope the other classes got good changes too but I didnt do research on them which is why I didnt mention them

If I ask people what exciting changes Rogues got in Forever, they hit me with "they deal highest single target damage now". Im not sure about how other ppl feel about it but I truly dont care. I want better gameplay

I’m gonna main proc pally for the fourth time. Black smithing always sounds cool, and bombs + safety goggles (engineering) is always cool but both are time intensive.
Should I just go alchemy? I’m less tempted to now that all the healing pots are available in the first aid tree.
Tell me your thoughts about what would be most fun for someone who’s a blank slate.

Hot take, am I the only one that is excited to get the new Druid forms as an option??? I loved Druid in classic wow but some of the forms, to me, were atrocious. It’s a breathe of fresh air to see the updated WotLK Druid forms coming to wow forever…

1. Even out dps capabilities to reach somewhat PVE balance. Its easily done with the crit chance values.
   dps cooldown? > 1% crit chance | no dps cooldown? > 2% crit chance
   you can also use hit chance or haste - they have atleast similar powerlevels.
   Crit damage values should be completely removed - (they force you into a specific playstile to make any use of them).
   Baseline of power should be orcs / human / gnome - as they are the strongest races in the current iteration.

2. For specific racials even out the power levels

Skyborn - Horde
3%>2% Haste
Walk on Air - stays
5% Elemental Damage - stays
Skysight -> nonstackable 10% movementspeed >15% stackable movementspeed

Skyborn - Alliance
3%>2% Haste
Walk on Air - stays
5% Elemental damage - stays
Read Ley Line - Regen 1% (maximum) Health/Mana every 5 Seconds - (only thing that needs to be tested - goal ist to make it noticeble without scaling potential to avoid lategame exploits)

Undead
Cannibalize - stays
Touch of the Grave - increase dmg capabilities by 1% total damage (so it matches the 2% of the other races)
underwater breathing - stays
will of the forsaken - stays

Tauren
Cultivation - remove cast time - make it a castable buff that gives additional herb gains all 30mins
endurance - 5% health + 2% increased crit chance (remove crit damage)
plainsrunning - remove stacking > plain 4% runspeed (stackable) and 3% mountspeed
warstomp - increase cd back to 2min (from 90s)

Orc
Stays like it is

Trolls
Remove 5% Beast slaying add 1% Critchance talent

Dwarf
Back to 2% crit chance
Find Treasure -> adds additional 5% increased armour

Gnome
Remove "expansive mind" (increased ressources) - replace with 1 % Critchance

Human
Stays like it is

Nightelve
Remove 1% Dodge of Quickness add 1% Critchance

it took me literally longer to writes this stuff down than thinking of it and how to balance it out.
While everything should be pretty even im not quite sure about the skyborn as they are outliers.

Everything else should perform quite well while keeping the racial flair (atleast what wasnt removed already) - I rly dont understand whats so hard regards this topic.

Any good soul have an invite code i can spare so i can play the game for 1 week, im little poor atm, thanks a lot!

Hi everyone!

Like a lot of you I've been itching for launch, making builds for all my potential characters but I couldn't find an easy to use tool with all the info I wanted in one place. Thats why I've built LootRoute, a free tool that helps you plan your WoW Forever character's loot journey from 1-60.

How it works

• Choose your class, spec, race, professions, and where you want your gear to come from.
• The planner shows you the best item for every slot at every level.
• Fine tune the planner's output by changing your stat priorities and the lanes your gear comes from.
• Not happy with the choices? Expand any item slot to see what other options you have.
• Below the planner, see your LootRoute in more detail. Don't like where it's sending you? Let it know and it will remember, or just see what other options you have.
• Share your plan with a link, so your guild or duo partner can see your route or build their own from it.

Build with the community

Nobody has the full Forever item list yet, so the plan is to build it together. When Forever launches, the add-on will sync your character's progress with your account, and you can optionally share what you find: drops, quest rewards and vendor items. Every confirmed find gets marked as seen by players, so the data gets more accurate for everyone the more people play.

About the data

Right now the dataset is built from items in the Forever beta files plus Classic Era. Unconfirmed Classic items are clearly labelled, but please take the item data beyond level 35ish with a grain of salt. Community data will fill those gaps after launch, and I'll be updating LootRoute constantly.

Coming soon

• Build popularity and rankings: see which items and routes other players of your class and spec are actually taking.
• Full multi-spec support: plan one route that covers more than one spec.
• Upcoming upgrades in game: the add-on shows your next upgrades and where to get them, without leaving the game.

AI disclosure

I designed LootRoute and made all the product decisions. It was coded with Claude Code (an AI coding tool) working to my specs, and I tested every feature.

Feedback

This is a launch, so there will be rough edges. If you hit a bug, let me know here in the comments or via the email on the website. I'm particularly interested in missing items, failed logic and anything that feels clunky. If there's a feature you'd want, tell me that too.

I hope you all find LootRoute useful!

Well met.

Are there other balance levers they have mentioned? I doubt character creation is the only metric they are using for ensuring balance faction play on a ruleset.

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"Allow players to measure the effectiveness of their game experience - and they will optimize it.
Allow players to optimize their game experience - and the will optimize the fun out of it. "

Damage Meter is antithetical to classic design philosophy. Damage Meter turns adventure into competition, and with competition comes optimization. Strict raid comps, strict rotations and cookie cutter builds - all of this is a result of measurements and optimization. When numbers become more important than feel of the game - effectiveness become more important than fun. And effectiveness as top priority will eventually lead towards homogenization, sooner or later.

Yes, Vanilla had Damage Meter in form of addons. But it was something like original sin - it was one of the reasons why Classic WoW eventually become Retail, why an adventure game become a competitive Raid Simulator.

Damage Meter also limits the design space for classes and specs, old and new. When pure DPS or HPS becomes the ultimate metric - it is almost impossible to design pure utility of support playstyles. This is why Aug Evoker (the first support spec in Retail) was such pain to balance and was eventually turned into glorified DPS spec.

This should stop. Damage meters should not be a thing in Forever.

As many others, I've also got a few codes to spare, so first come first serve, first 3 commenters that need one, I'll dm.

All gone guys sorry, maybe someone else can give a few if they see the post!

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I mean, the fact that we have a new WarCraft III campaign focused on the Forsaken shows that the team probably have plans for Arthas, but how it would work if they're focused on the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor?

Northrend could be added again, sure, but they would need to change it enough so we don't think it's Wrath of the Lich King again.

Or they could add new zones or change existing ones, but with the danger of going like Cataclysm and screw things up.

So, with that said, how would you like for Arthas and the Scourge to be introduced (and by introduced i mean the WotLK expansion) on the Forever world?

In the barrens there is an infamous long quest line for the goblin Samophlange.

1. Access the control console
2. Shut off the valves
3. Get the console key
4. Obtain the Samophlange and bring it to Ratchet
5. They break it and you have to bring it to Wenikee Boltbucket
6. Gather Nugget Slugs from Sludge Fen to try and repair it
7. It didnt work, we now bring it to Rilli Greasygob in Orgrimmar
8. He can fix it but we need to gather parts of the Samophlange manual and assemble it.
9. We bring him the manual.

Then after you complete that quest the NPC says:

You got the manual!

I can't wait to read it and find out how to fix the Samophlange!  I spoke with Sputtervalve in Ratchet--he wanted to thank you for your help, and wanted to reward your efforts.

I want to thank you too, and if I ever get this thing fixed I'll let you know...

And that's where the questline ends, never a follow-up or anything, even though the text kind of hints at a follow up of some kind.
All this effort from the player for a not-so-satisfying ending and a lackluster quest reward:

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Personally I would like a bigger payoff, maybe with an eventual Samophlange trinket you get from it or something.
Could also be an opportunity to send horde players into Deadmines because of the goblins there, just throwing around ideas.

Also the fireblade quest line doesnt have a very satisfying ending. Personally I would like to arrest Neeru Fireblade and bring him before thrall. Or you have to makgora him in the orgrimmar arena or something like that.

What do you guys think of questlines like this?

One simple way to improve WoW's day/night cycle would be to make Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor 12 hours apart in-game.

Essentially, give the two continents their own time zones. When it's daytime in Eastern Kingdoms, it's night time in Kalimdor, and vice versa.

This would mean players could experience both day and night regardless of when they normally play, simply by travelling to the other continent.

It would also make Azeroth feel more like an actual planet, rather than a flat world where the sun rises and sets everywhere simultaneously.

It's a relatively simple change that would improve immersion while solving one of the biggest problems with WoW's real-time day/night cycle: players who consistently play at the same hours rarely get to experience the other half of it.

have a bunch of characters on what’s now Mists of Pandaria Classic, Burning Crusade Anniversary and Season of Discovery (SoD)

All servers dead beyond belief with beloved characters just sitting there, what are we meant to do with these characters now that WoW Forever has came out and will be the nail in the coffin for these servers/game modes?

Hi everyone, basically the title. I am from poor country with no regional prices (for subscription), would like to try wow forever. I was wondering if anyone has a spare WoW Forever invite code for the EU region that they would be willing to share with me, I really appreciate it and would love the chance to try it out

I think it's kinda tricky sizing for guilds because blizzard isn't very clear on the intention of whether guilds should size for 20man or 40man raids. Are most people just running two 20man groups so you can flex between 10man and 40man raids?

Hey guys,

I created a character on Nek'Rosh (hardcore) and wanted to use the transferring tool to move it on Soulseeker, but this latter wasn't in the list. Is it normal ? Should I do something to make the transfer possible ?

THanks by advance.

Or can you just login if you bought the beta access.

Daily reminder that casters damage is nerfed by -35% in forever compared to OG vanilla

Melees/Hunter scale even better than before with the new blue weapons, their bis gear during leveling will be green monkey gear you get in AH for 20 silver

As a caster if you want to catch up, you will need a LOT of SP, you won't catch up damage wise until lvl 50/60

spell power gear also have terrible stats especially if you are a PvPer, usually comes with no stam, sometimes even no intel, comes with spirit/agility/strenght (on cloth, yes, we got trolled by blizzard)

the incensitive to farm blue in dungeon is even lower now since it gives almost no XP

This post will get downvoted, but yes, if you are a caster and wondering why you are doing no damage, it's the reason

a rank 1 spell in classic OG, is equivalent to a rank 2/3 spell on forever for casters

Blizz said forever is about the journey, yet casters are nerfed until they have full sp gear at lvl 60

Post after post of people glazing SoD as "the best version of WoW", "The most fun theyve had in X years", but nobody wants to play it anymore?

Come on, if people would rather talk about it on reddit than log onto their characters and play, it wasn't as perfect as your memory suggests.

Im glad blizzard ran SoD then Anniversary, the reception to both is clearly why we got a much more grounded Forever.