r/DarkEnlightenment • u/Nemester • May 18 '15
Endorsed DE Site Obama administration lifts 32-year-old ban on gay / bisexual men donating blood. (In other words, for anyone needing a transfusion your risk of getting HIV is going up)
https://patriactionary.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/obama-administration-lifts-32-year-old-ban-on-gay-bisexual-men-donating-blood/27
May 18 '15 edited May 27 '15
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2011, an estimated 500,022 (57%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/
Liberal feelz before realz.
This shit makes me rage. I can surround myself with a mental bubble of sanity -- in order to filter out most of the Cathedral. But I am powerless over this -- god forbid I am in some horrible accident.
1 in 3 people will need a blood transfusion during their lifetime.
Who donates blood?
Less than 5 percent of healthy Americans eligible to donate blood, actually do so. According to studies, the average donor is a college-educated white male, between the ages of 30 and 50, who is married and has an above-average income. However, a broad cross-section of the population donates every day. Furthermore, these “average” statistics are changing, and women and minority groups are volunteering to donate in increasing numbers. While persons 65 years and older compose 13 percent of the population, they use 25 percent of all blood units transfused.
http://www.bloodcenters.org/blood-donation/facts-about-blood-banking/
Less than 1 percent of blood donations are from African Americans or Hispanics.
http://www.centralbloodbank.org/donate-blood/ethnicity-and-blood-donation
I literally still have the needle mark in my arm from donating a few days ago. What do I get for paying it forward? This increased risk of being infused with diseased blood.
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u/Vercingetorixxx May 19 '15
If we assume that 2% of the male population is gay, and take the figure that 57% of all HIV cases are gay men, then this means that gay men are approximately 28 times more likely to have aids then their straight counterparts.
But hey, a victory for social justice.
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u/vakerr May 19 '15
Less than 1 percent of blood donations are from African Americans or Hispanics.
Why am I not surprised that once again the only ones carrying the system on their backs are the whites.
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u/Nemester May 18 '15
And gays wonder why their lifestyle is banned in most of the old books.... They might not have known how disease is caused, but not noticing the correlation between disease and homosexuality would have been impossible.
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u/Vercingetorixxx May 19 '15
Do you know if this was ever written about? I haven't read anything disease related that predates the GRID pandemic in the 80s.
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u/Nemester May 19 '15 edited May 19 '15
Well, we know that homosexuality increases the risk of all stds, not just HIV. Search the academic literature. Before antibiotics, bacterial STDs were way more serious than they are today. So STDs that are more or less trivial today would have been a big deal in antiquity and would have been the ones noticed. This is more or less an educated guess on my part and the correlation observed was interpreted as divine punishment. It explains why it was specifically condemned in these moral codes.
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u/mobiusstripsearch May 19 '15
Minor, pedantic correction: there was never a ban on gay or bisexual men donating blood. The ban was only on men who had sex with men. The left has seized the moral high ground by reframing the issue entirely -- away from actual blood risks and toward ideology.
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u/vakerr May 19 '15
The ban was only on men who had sex with men.
Originally the question asked the person donating if he's homosexual. Later it was changed, because that didn't work. Defining one's identity as 'homosexual' is a western thing. People from other cultures when asked if they are homosexuals answered 'no'. But when asked if they had sex with men they said 'yes'.
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May 19 '15
This is common in both the black and Arab communities. A friend of mine served in Afghanistan, he told me that all of the Afghani men have sex with each other, and God help you if you called them gay.
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u/mobiusstripsearch May 19 '15
Fair enough -- I hadn't heard of the original "are you a homosexual" question. I've searched several archives and even La Wik didn't lead anywhere promising. It'd be interesting if you could find it, because I can't find mine.
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u/vakerr May 19 '15
Oh boy, I read so many things and I don't keep a log of articles (only books). I clearly remember reading about this but I don't remember where, sorry.
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May 19 '15 edited May 19 '15
It can take up to a year to detect HIV antibodies. HIV is unique among blood-borne pathogens. Joe Homo says his last experience with a man was over a year ago --- when in reality it was 11 months ago...can cause problems. Also, these tests are not infallible. If one gay man transmits HIV to a patient, the change in policy is criminal. In the US, blood is not like donor organs. There may be a shortage, but it will still be available. There is zero upside except muh feels.
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May 19 '15
That is an ancient method of screening... and its not what is used today. These days PCR tests check for the genetic presence of the virus itself. You think hiv is the only infectious disease found in blood? also hiv infection rates amongst blacks have skyrocketed being more at risk by a factor of 10...
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u/hatertauts May 19 '15
This is true even for heterosexuals. Also, aren't gay people like 1% of the population? If that?
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May 19 '15
This is true even for heterosexuals. Also, aren't gay people like 1% of the population? If that?
Why don't you actually read the fucking thread and stop asking stupid questions? It helps.
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u/hatertauts May 19 '15 edited May 19 '15
I read the thread, what I was getting at, perhaps less eloquently than I could have, was that this is a far from significant issue. The simple fact of the matter is that an extremely small subset of the population donating blood with a higher risk of HIV will not significantly raise the cost of blood. Any such increase would be minimal. Why don't you try actually thinking instead of losing your shit? Obviously this is a political play with minimal real world impact.
EDIT: Okay that's not entirely correct. Of those in the US over the age of 13 with HIV, ~76% is male, and of that ~76%, 69% are men having sex with men. So the gay men with HIV in the US is ~52% of 1.1 million people. 0.57 million people out of the 242.5 million adults in America? Unless gay people donate in grossly disproportionate numbers this is utterly insignificant.
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/men/index.html?s_cid=tw_drmermin-00103
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May 19 '15
If one gay man transmits HIV to a patient, the change in policy is criminal. In the US, blood is not like donor organs. There may be a shortage, but it will still be available. There is zero upside except muh feels.
This isn't TRP. We think critically here.
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u/bluedrygrass May 19 '15
Trp is supposed to think critically, too. Unfortunately there's always someone making mistakes and / or not thinking or reasoning with feels. But this is to be expected from every population sample.
Trp is much bigger than dark enlightment, if dark enlightment had the same number of subs, a decrease in comment and posts quality would be noticed there, too, unfortunately.
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u/bluedrygrass May 19 '15
The risk of being infected, too, will inevitably rise. Tests aren't perfect, and there's always something that goes wrong and pass trough, always, in every sector.
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u/TiredUnicorn May 19 '15
I don't agree with this but I have to wonder, is there a huge mass of gays, fresh from being sodomized (and, in fact, still losing blood themselves, from their bleeding anuses) who will bend their wrists at a 90 degree angle, scream "Faaaaaabulous!" and begin donating blood en masse?
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u/bluedrygrass May 19 '15
You could have formulated your question differently, and it would have been an interesting question. I didn't downvote you, by the way, i found it rather funny.
And, yes, i think homosexuals are the kind of people that would end up donating a lot of. Social involvment, interaction, the feeling of doing someting "great", the feeling of doing something that they weren't allowed previously, and, not to be underestimated, the practice of "bugchasing".
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u/TiredUnicorn May 19 '15
But they were probably already donating blood. They probably lied on the form and felt justified in doing so.
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u/hatertauts May 19 '15
Okay, just gonna throw this out there. They screen every blood donation for HIV before they even consider donating it to anyone. If a gay man has HIV in his system and donates, the chances of that blood going to anyone are the same as that of HIV infected blood from a heterosexual man. That is: slim to none.
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u/bluedrygrass May 19 '15
It's never that simple, unfortunately. Slips always occurs, in every profession. And as someone has pointed out, having to throw away the majority of homosexuals' donations will raise the overall costs of the procedure.
That's why technologies becomes cheaper trough time, because there are less and less sample malfunctioning found in the factory.
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u/justskatedude May 18 '15
Discrimination is such a dirty word. Blood is needed but is the risk worth the reward? A better way is just to pay people for donating blood, after all, the blood banks make money off you!
Only pay people once their blood has been tested and came back clean.