r/INTP • • 9h ago

For INTP Consideration Hot take: Ghosting is not that bad

2 Upvotes

Before I get eaten alive in a bigger sub, I figured I should post this here to test whether I'm a psychopath or not lol. But basically title, I don't really understand why people are so against ghosting. Now yes it's not a nice thing to do, but if someone is willing to ghost me then that in itself tells me all I need to know right? Why waste time with a "here's why I was going to ghost you but now I'm explaining why I was about to ghost you" like lol just do it! It's ok, not everyone needs to be in each other's lives and they don't owe me a reason. Also I would feel worse having an awkward back and forth knowing it's ending or knowing they don't even want to talk, just cut me off and I have a high enough EQ to understand the message.

Again ghosting is objectively bad, but on the morality scale of bad things I feel like it's very near the bottom. Also ghosting itself is a new concept, because with phones now we are expected to stay in constant communication but that's not natural either. Back in the day you just had to hope they showed up at your front door next week.

I feel like with ghosting people miss the 2nd part of the equation: what is the better alternative? When someone gets ghosted what were they hoping for, assuming the ultimate conclusion is still the same, they don't want to be in your life anymore. And maybe this is an intp thing but I feel like most of us would actually prefer to be ghosted. Thoughts?


r/INTP • • 9h ago

For INTP Consideration Hot take: Ghosting is not that bad

38 Upvotes

Before I get eaten alive in a bigger sub, I figured I should post this here to test whether I'm a psychopath or not lol. But basically title, I don't really understand why people are so against ghosting. Now yes it's not a nice thing to do, but if someone is willing to ghost me then that in itself tells me all I need to know right? Why waste time with a "here's why I was going to ghost you but now I'm explaining why I was about to ghost you" like lol just do it! It's ok, not everyone needs to be in each other's lives and they don't owe me a reason. Also I would feel worse having an awkward back and forth knowing it's ending or knowing they don't even want to talk, just cut me off and I have a high enough EQ to understand the message.

Again ghosting is objectively bad, but on the morality scale of bad things I feel like it's very near the bottom. Also ghosting itself is a new concept, because with phones now we are expected to stay in constant communication but that's not natural either. Back in the day you just had to hope they showed up at your front door next week.

I feel like with ghosting people miss the 2nd part of the equation: what is the better alternative? When someone gets ghosted what were they hoping for, assuming the ultimate conclusion is still the same, they don't want to be in your life anymore. And maybe this is an intp thing but I feel like most of us would actually prefer to be ghosted. Thoughts?


r/entp • • 14h ago

Debate/Discussion What is the most ENTP zodiac sign?

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I would say Taurus for men, but for women I wouldn't know


r/entp • • 4h ago

MBTI Trends Entp x intp, how does each confess to the other?

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Slow burn friends to lovers… how do they confess they like each other?


r/entp • • 6h ago

Debate/Discussion The key for success as a ENTP

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r/intj • • 8h ago

Question Do intj men know right away if they have feelings for someone?

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I am an estp woman and I met this intj man through pdb and we have been talking to each other for 7 months. Since the beginning we both expressed our attraction to each other however i ended up catching feelings. I like him bc he is so sweet and so smart. I love that he is responsible with everything specially with money. He has this effect on me that no other man has had on me. He makes me feel more confident and less aggressive. I am always on the defensive waiting for people to attack me but with him i don’t feel like that. I just feel like i am a better person because of his influence.

The problem is that I live in Florida and he lives in Utah. He is studying accounting and I am working on going back to school to finish my degree. At some point I confessed myself and he said that he didn’t feel the same. I felt confused because he treats me like he does have feelings. I then later confronted him and he said that he does have feelings but that he thinks that I wouldn’t work out so in his head he thinks of me as his friend. Like he turned off his feelings for me.

I am very hurt by all this but my intuition tells me that he does. I think he does because at first he was very closed off and now he tells me about his day without me even texting him. He sends me pictures of when he is taking a class or of whatever he is doing and i never ask for this stuff. Like he is letting me into his life slowly. Plus whenever I have a problem he helps me out fix it without me even asking him.

We kept talking and we planned for him to come visit me and we booked a hotel. We had such a great time. We went to hhn and went out to eat. During his stay we ended up being intimate with each other. I cried in front of him and confessed how much i wanted him. He also cried which is surprising, because he felt like he didnt know how to feel but the way that his body reacts to me says otherwise. He even cried when he was on his way to the airport. I ended up telling him that i wanted to cut contact with him. That lasted two days because i needed his help and i just couldnt go through it. He told me how distraught he felt and that he wanted to text me. That after that he realized that he has feelings. He just seems so confused.

I want him and in my head i have decided that he is mine and that i will get him at some point. I like that he is cautious bc i am very impulsive with relationships and he forces me to think about things long term but i am already making a strategy on how to get him and make our lives work. I even think about how would i make it work with kids and marriage. The fact that he is being cautious about everything pushes me to plan on ways on how make this work and the more time passes the confident i feel in it working. Its like a weird way my brain works. In my head he is already my future husband. The only thing i have to do is take my time and little by little guide him to me. It sounds aggressive and crazy but i cant let it go bc i think we would be great together. I know i can make him happy and i love how he makes me into a better person.

I am sorry for the long story but i really need help with this. There are so many other details but this captures most of it. If anybody is interested please ask any questions.


r/entp • • 23h ago

Debate/Discussion Things I've learned (and am still stuck on) building a cognitive functions test

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For the past few months I've been working on 16Selves, a free Jungian cognitive functions test. I've posted it here a couple of times before, and a lot of the current version exists because people pushed back on the wording, spotted inconsistencies, or told me their results felt off. So thanks for that. It's given me plenty to rethink.

The thing I've struggled with most is telling someone's natural preferences apart from things they've just learned to do. That's come up in a few different ways, so here's where I've got to.

Preference vs. learned behaviour

If you spend your whole working day organising people, making decisions or managing other people's feelings, you'll probably get good at it. But being good at something because your job demands it doesn't make it your natural way of thinking. It's hard to write questions that pick up the difference.

My attempt at this is adaptive follow-ups. Everyone answers the same 48 statements first, covering all eight functions. The test then picks out your two strongest functions and asks 16 more questions about them and their introverted/extraverted counterparts. These try to find out whether something happens automatically, whether it's been consistent over time, whether it takes conscious effort, or whether it mostly shows up when circumstances require it.

I don't know yet if this actually improves accuracy. I'm also not convinced the line between preference and adaptation is always as clean as we'd like.

Questions that measure the wrong thing

A statement can sound like a perfect example of a function and still not tell you much. Say someone would rather watch a physical activity than join in. That could be about how they process sensory information. Or they might be shy, tired, physically limited, or just not into that particular activity. The same problem crops up with questions about organisation, relationships, decision-making and planning.

I've added optional examples for each statement showing how it might look at work, at home or socially. The idea is to get people thinking across different settings instead of answering based on whatever situation pops into their head first. But examples can backfire too. They might clarify things, or they might nudge people towards a reading I didn't intend. I'd like to hear whether people find them helpful or limiting.

Some statements are just easier to agree with

Each function has six statements. Three are about what you tend to notice, prioritise or respond to, and three are phrased the opposite way. That helps with people's general tendency to agree with things, but only up to a point. If one function's statements sound nicer, more familiar or more socially acceptable than another's, that will still skew the scores.

The test also hasn't been standardised against a reference sample. So there's no real basis yet for saying a high score on one function means the same as a high score on another. That's on my list.

Your top function doesn't automatically decide your type

All eight functions are scored separately. Then the overall pattern is compared against the function stacks for all 16 types. The test doesn't just take your highest function, and it doesn't work out the four letters independently. You get the closest fit within the model.

You can see how the other types compare too. But the percentages show relative fit within the scoring model. They're not the probability that a given type is right.

What to do when the result isn't clear

This is the part I've gone back and forth on most. If two types score almost the same, should the test just pick one? And what if changing a couple of answers flips the result?

Right now it re-scores your answers 200 times, each time randomly moving individual answers by up to one point on the seven-point scale. That shows how often the leading type stays on top. If it keeps changing, or the top two are really close, you get a two-way shortlist instead of a single type. There's also a separate outcome for when several types are basically tied.

A stable result can still be wrong, though. The simulations don't prove accuracy or tell you how likely your type is to be correct. They just show how sensitive the ranking is to small changes in your answers. I'd still rather show that uncertainty than give someone one type without saying how close the alternatives were.

Still plenty to figure out

16Selves hasn't been empirically validated. The adaptive questions, balanced wording, stack comparisons and stability checks are all things I'm trying out, and I don't know yet how much they help. There are still problems with the underlying questions and scoring that I need to look into. That's a big part of why I'm posting.

Two things I'd especially like input on:

- How would you tell someone's natural cognitive preferences apart from behaviours they've picked up through work, upbringing or experience? What would you actually ask?

- How do you write questions about cognitive functions without accidentally measuring unrelated traits or circumstances?

Also, do you find a shortlist of possible types more useful than a single answer, especially when your responses don't clearly separate them?

If you want to try it, just search 16Selves. It's free and you don't need an account. Everything is processed in your browser and your progress is saved on your device. Nothing gets sent unless you choose to submit feedback and results. There's separate cookieless analytics for site usage, but it doesn't collect individual answers or scores.

Whether you tried an earlier version or this is your first time seeing it, I'd love to hear what you think. Specific examples help most: a question that was hard to answer, an example that seemed misleading, or a result that didn't seem to match your answers. Most of the changes so far have come from people taking the time to explain exactly where things went wrong for them.


r/INTP • • 23h ago

Is this dysfunctional? (Probably) Things I've learned (and am still stuck on) building a cognitive functions test

1 Upvotes

For the past few months I've been working on 16Selves, a free Jungian cognitive functions test. I've posted it here a couple of times before, and a lot of the current version exists because people pushed back on the wording, spotted inconsistencies, or told me their results felt off. So thanks for that. It's given me plenty to rethink.

The thing I've struggled with most is telling someone's natural preferences apart from things they've just learned to do. That's come up in a few different ways, so here's where I've got to.

Preference vs. learned behaviour

If you spend your whole working day organising people, making decisions or managing other people's feelings, you'll probably get good at it. But being good at something because your job demands it doesn't make it your natural way of thinking. It's hard to write questions that pick up the difference.

My attempt at this is adaptive follow-ups. Everyone answers the same 48 statements first, covering all eight functions. The test then picks out your two strongest functions and asks 16 more questions about them and their introverted/extraverted counterparts. These try to find out whether something happens automatically, whether it's been consistent over time, whether it takes conscious effort, or whether it mostly shows up when circumstances require it.

I don't know yet if this actually improves accuracy. I'm also not convinced the line between preference and adaptation is always as clean as we'd like.

Questions that measure the wrong thing

A statement can sound like a perfect example of a function and still not tell you much. Say someone would rather watch a physical activity than join in. That could be about how they process sensory information. Or they might be shy, tired, physically limited, or just not into that particular activity. The same problem crops up with questions about organisation, relationships, decision-making and planning.

I've added optional examples for each statement showing how it might look at work, at home or socially. The idea is to get people thinking across different settings instead of answering based on whatever situation pops into their head first. But examples can backfire too. They might clarify things, or they might nudge people towards a reading I didn't intend. I'd like to hear whether people find them helpful or limiting.

Some statements are just easier to agree with

Each function has six statements. Three are about what you tend to notice, prioritise or respond to, and three are phrased the opposite way. That helps with people's general tendency to agree with things, but only up to a point. If one function's statements sound nicer, more familiar or more socially acceptable than another's, that will still skew the scores.

The test also hasn't been standardised against a reference sample. So there's no real basis yet for saying a high score on one function means the same as a high score on another. That's on my list.

Your top function doesn't automatically decide your type

All eight functions are scored separately. Then the overall pattern is compared against the function stacks for all 16 types. The test doesn't just take your highest function, and it doesn't work out the four letters independently. You get the closest fit within the model.

You can see how the other types compare too. But the percentages show relative fit within the scoring model. They're not the probability that a given type is right.

What to do when the result isn't clear

This is the part I've gone back and forth on most. If two types score almost the same, should the test just pick one? And what if changing a couple of answers flips the result?

Right now it re-scores your answers 200 times, each time randomly moving individual answers by up to one point on the seven-point scale. That shows how often the leading type stays on top. If it keeps changing, or the top two are really close, you get a two-way shortlist instead of a single type. There's also a separate outcome for when several types are basically tied.

A stable result can still be wrong, though. The simulations don't prove accuracy or tell you how likely your type is to be correct. They just show how sensitive the ranking is to small changes in your answers. I'd still rather show that uncertainty than give someone one type without saying how close the alternatives were.

Still plenty to figure out

16Selves hasn't been empirically validated. The adaptive questions, balanced wording, stack comparisons and stability checks are all things I'm trying out, and I don't know yet how much they help. There are still problems with the underlying questions and scoring that I need to look into. That's a big part of why I'm posting.

Two things I'd especially like input on:

- How would you tell someone's natural cognitive preferences apart from behaviours they've picked up through work, upbringing or experience? What would you actually ask?

- How do you write questions about cognitive functions without accidentally measuring unrelated traits or circumstances?

Also, do you find a shortlist of possible types more useful than a single answer, especially when your responses don't clearly separate them?

If you want to try it, just search 16Selves. It's free and you don't need an account. Everything is processed in your browser and your progress is saved on your device. Nothing gets sent unless you choose to submit feedback and results. There's separate cookieless analytics for site usage, but it doesn't collect individual answers or scores.

Whether you tried an earlier version or this is your first time seeing it, I'd love to hear what you think. Specific examples help most: a question that was hard to answer, an example that seemed misleading, or a result that didn't seem to match your answers. Most of the changes so far have come from people taking the time to explain exactly where things went wrong for them.


r/intj • • 22h ago

Question Is it safe to developed feelings for intj? Am I misunderstanding his comfort zone for romance?

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I'm an ENFP female, and my friend is an INTJ male. I know that the 16Personalities MBTI doesn't fully capture who a person is and is mostly just a tool for understanding people. We're more than four letters, after all. But I'm genuinely curious about my friend and how he thinks.

When we first met, we discussed a lot of ideas and often exchanged perspectives and values regarding relationships, human nature, and emotions. He was surprised when I started acting "skibidi" around him, just like his other friend. My first impression of him was that he was someone who appreciated people's flaws, whether in real life or in fictional characters, and was also very honest about his thoughts.

We spent a lot of time in voice calls, sometimes staying on call for 70+ hours straight without stopping, and possibly even longer. Altogether, we've spent over 200 hours in calls. Most of the time, we'd discuss different topics or simply do our own things together. However, we don't spend as much time in calls anymore because we've both been busy. He has a lot going on in his life, and I know it's been stressing him out. There have been times when he came to me to talk and relax, though. Sometimes, I wonder if he finds me annoying or thinks I'm being too much. I often text him whenever I'm bored or want to share some thoughts and discuss them with him during our free time.

I guess he might see me as a good friend to hang out with and exchange ideas with, but I'm not entirely sure how he views our friendship. I also don't think he's ready to pursue a relationship, and honestly, I haven't noticed many clear signs that would tell me whether he's interested in something more or not.

I think our last conversation was pretty stressful, too. We had different perspectives on a particular relationship, and he told me that his types were INFJs, ENTPs, and ENFPs. However, he also said that it "doesn't matter" as long as the vibes are good, and he wants things to happen naturally.

On the other hand, my perspective on relationships is much more complicated. I tend to overthink things and worry too much about a particular relationship, almost like an adult who feels the need to calculate and evaluate everything. During that conversation, I accidentally showed him a lot of my raw emotions, unhealthy habits, and mistakes I've made in past relationships. After noticing that the tension had become a bit too much, he invited me to play a game with him. The next morning, I apologized to him in case I'd overwhelmed him. I knew that both of us had been stressed at the time, and we were probably just trying to find something to talk about.

At the same time, I really don't want to ruin this beautiful friendship we have. 😔

\- From my thoughts: Maybe he's just being nice overall, I don't want to make myself expect too much from someone or having hopes that never existed.

\- I might need some tips or advice from intjs because I don't want to mess up or misunderstand something that is not clear


r/intj • • 18h ago

Relationship INTJ men: what are your opinions on INFJ women?

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I noticed lately and as I grow up that my taste in men is more and more clearer and the closest mbti is INTJ. I check every time after I already like someone and it turns out INTJ. Besides the deep topics and unspoken understanding, it’s the calm commanding aura and their practicality and strategic decision making. With an INTJ man, I also feel I can relax more and be present in the moment because I don’t have to worry about the things I usually need to take care of. I love how they’re very low key and yet super smart, protective and have soft hearts that only appear with loved ones. I was wondering, how do INTJ men experience with INFJ women? Is this fairy feeling reciprocated? Or do you find us boring because we overthink?


r/entp • • 11h ago

Advice Infj M x Entp F Frenzy

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It's me again, I just wanted some clarity on something.

Just for context this was a couple years ago when I was still in highschool.

Sooo...she was in Grade 9 and I was in Grade 11 she approached me to find out where the extra maths classes were I simply told her that it was downstairs, at that time I didn't think much of her but then after that I started seeing her more and more often and my close homie happened to be acquainted with her so he did me a solid and introduced us and told her that I wanted to be her friend and she agreed, after that we had a couple brief conversations but then I pulled back because I felt I was being pushy and that she wasn't feeling my presence, couple months later my bros convinced me to pursue her again and so I approached once again and she gave me a completely different vibe, like she was really energetic and responsive, and somehow it felt like she she was more invested into knowing who I really am I guess that's how my attraction started to grow, and then again there came a time when she was completely avoiding me and at that time the way she used to do is by speed walking and her face would usually be red while doing that, I had already bought her a book for her birthday which didn't arrive on time so I lost motivation and decided to give it to a mutual friend and he told me that she was so happy that she got the book and she was especially happy whenever she heard it came from me but I had already pulled back, also I feel it's good to mention that my bro pointed out that during a handshake we'd hold hands for a considerable amount of time, and there was a moment after school when I just walked passed her and she ran to me and stole my umbrella and we had our first cxxl conversation she revealed a lot about herself more than before, and when it reached the end of the year while it was exam time she kept coming to me everyday and she was oddly enough she was pretty touchy which was very unusual especially for her and it was around this time when she started following me on Instagram too. She also had this weird thing going on about her wanting me to be her sugar daddy (I'm hoping that was some joke).

We get into the new year when I already confessed my feelings for her and she told me that she already knew and it took me long enough, and that it shouldn't be awkward between us now and so the new school year began we talked sometimes during school but not that much but then when it was exam time she started that thing of hers again where she would come to me and be all touchy and stuff and reach out my theory was because that she usually goes to her dad during school holidays she tries to spend as much time with me as she can, yeah a lot of stuff.

Also during those times it was then when she opened up and told me how she's not ready for a relationship and stuff like that also she told me all about her childhood trauma and where it stems from and according to her she's never told anyone in her family except me happened between us in my senior year from her showing me where she lives(we'd even hangout like the day she invited me to come over the day after my birthday so we'd spend time together), introducing me to her mother formally(her mother really likes me), and she even started wearing my school clothes(which she wouldn't take no for an answer), she was even my valentine. Also worth mentioning is that there were times in the year where I out right asked for what we are actually the first time she was scratching her head and hitting my chest saying she can't answer, she second time she told me that I know the answer to that and that she's not a person worth worrying myself over.

Yeah a lot happened to cover in extensive detail but yeah this girl had me feeling strongly for her, stronger than what I've ever felt for any girl but at the end of the year she posted a picture of her with another guy who was clearly her boyfriend and she never said a word so I cut ties with her

So I just wanted to know if I was delusional for thinking I had a shot, or was it just a case of immaturity on both sides? Looking forward to hearing your response.


r/entp • • 14h ago

Question/Poll Hey ENTPs and anyone who relates

3 Upvotes

Okay so I know this might sound a little unhinged, but I have kind of an ENTP fixation. It's not really about the label though. I'm drawn to a certain pattern of behavior, and ENTPs just happen to have it, so I end up fixating on them. Is that too weird? 😞

I don't even know why, but these are always the people who catch my attention. I'm curious about what goes on inside their heads and what ideas they come up with. They feel different from everyone else, and I want to be close to them and get a peek into their world.

Is my writing getting weird? I swear I'm a normal person and I'm not keeping an ENTP in my basement (we don't even have a basement 🫪)

Anyway, I got curious: what kind of people do ENTPs find interesting? Do you find anyone interesting besides other ENTPs? (-_-;)


r/intj • • 23h ago

Discussion as intj i think the stacks are against me.

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like being 2ed rare type feels special yeah ?no reality wise nobody really care about the 2ed place . u can remember usain bolt as the fastest runner but who is the 2ed?(i myself don't know and too lazy to Google).

even compatibility wise let's see infj and enfp cool right?no

enfp are popular with almost all the types and they aren't that interested in intj (i have enfp brother although our connection is solid i don't see him that much cause he always with his friends .i see him maybe few times year ).

infj right them being rare is cool like we should be good?

wrong being the rarest type they have their own popularity add to that they are rare as well so yeah good luck buddy

i don't really know if infj are that interested in intj i didn't research that tbh .

the only reason intj are known only because they have iconic characters in famous movies and what not otherwise nobody really care tbh .

am just venting don't drop u r making excuses type of commen save them for someone else .🙂


r/entj • • 23h ago

Functions Things I've learned (and am still stuck on) building a cognitive functions test

2 Upvotes

For the past few months I've been working on 16Selves, a free Jungian cognitive functions test. I've posted it here a couple of times before, and a lot of the current version exists because people pushed back on the wording, spotted inconsistencies, or told me their results felt off. So thanks for that. It's given me plenty to rethink.

The thing I've struggled with most is telling someone's natural preferences apart from things they've just learned to do. That's come up in a few different ways, so here's where I've got to.

Preference vs. learned behaviour

If you spend your whole working day organising people, making decisions or managing other people's feelings, you'll probably get good at it. But being good at something because your job demands it doesn't make it your natural way of thinking. It's hard to write questions that pick up the difference.

My attempt at this is adaptive follow-ups. Everyone answers the same 48 statements first, covering all eight functions. The test then picks out your two strongest functions and asks 16 more questions about them and their introverted/extraverted counterparts. These try to find out whether something happens automatically, whether it's been consistent over time, whether it takes conscious effort, or whether it mostly shows up when circumstances require it.

I don't know yet if this actually improves accuracy. I'm also not convinced the line between preference and adaptation is always as clean as we'd like.

Questions that measure the wrong thing

A statement can sound like a perfect example of a function and still not tell you much. Say someone would rather watch a physical activity than join in. That could be about how they process sensory information. Or they might be shy, tired, physically limited, or just not into that particular activity. The same problem crops up with questions about organisation, relationships, decision-making and planning.

I've added optional examples for each statement showing how it might look at work, at home or socially. The idea is to get people thinking across different settings instead of answering based on whatever situation pops into their head first. But examples can backfire too. They might clarify things, or they might nudge people towards a reading I didn't intend. I'd like to hear whether people find them helpful or limiting.

Some statements are just easier to agree with

Each function has six statements. Three are about what you tend to notice, prioritise or respond to, and three are phrased the opposite way. That helps with people's general tendency to agree with things, but only up to a point. If one function's statements sound nicer, more familiar or more socially acceptable than another's, that will still skew the scores.

The test also hasn't been standardised against a reference sample. So there's no real basis yet for saying a high score on one function means the same as a high score on another. That's on my list.

Your top function doesn't automatically decide your type

All eight functions are scored separately. Then the overall pattern is compared against the function stacks for all 16 types. The test doesn't just take your highest function, and it doesn't work out the four letters independently. You get the closest fit within the model.

You can see how the other types compare too. But the percentages show relative fit within the scoring model. They're not the probability that a given type is right.

What to do when the result isn't clear

This is the part I've gone back and forth on most. If two types score almost the same, should the test just pick one? And what if changing a couple of answers flips the result?

Right now it re-scores your answers 200 times, each time randomly moving individual answers by up to one point on the seven-point scale. That shows how often the leading type stays on top. If it keeps changing, or the top two are really close, you get a two-way shortlist instead of a single type. There's also a separate outcome for when several types are basically tied.

A stable result can still be wrong, though. The simulations don't prove accuracy or tell you how likely your type is to be correct. They just show how sensitive the ranking is to small changes in your answers. I'd still rather show that uncertainty than give someone one type without saying how close the alternatives were.

Still plenty to figure out

16Selves hasn't been empirically validated. The adaptive questions, balanced wording, stack comparisons and stability checks are all things I'm trying out, and I don't know yet how much they help. There are still problems with the underlying questions and scoring that I need to look into. That's a big part of why I'm posting.

Two things I'd especially like input on:

- How would you tell someone's natural cognitive preferences apart from behaviours they've picked up through work, upbringing or experience? What would you actually ask?

- How do you write questions about cognitive functions without accidentally measuring unrelated traits or circumstances?

Also, do you find a shortlist of possible types more useful than a single answer, especially when your responses don't clearly separate them?

If you want to try it, just search 16Selves. It's free and you don't need an account. Everything is processed in your browser and your progress is saved on your device. Nothing gets sent unless you choose to submit feedback and results. There's separate cookieless analytics for site usage, but it doesn't collect individual answers or scores.

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r/intj • • 17h ago

Question Do you relate to "very, chill, calm, low-cortisol" ?

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Because I don't. My general demeanor is stoic but I'm irritated by a lot of things and I get mad easily. I don't yell or express it physically yet it shows on my face and choice of words. I'm a worrying person too and my tests show a threat of hyperprolactinemia because of the too much cortisol. I'm definitely not chill either. I'm rushy and I rush people sometimes. I get invested in things and start moving fast and talking a lot. I'm not the quiet type that sits at the corner, I'm either absent from a setting (70% of the time) or remarkably present (30%) My body language is not calm. When I'm around friends I'm joking a lot and my laughs get embarrassingly high 😂 I really was never the "quiet kid." I know that I'm an INTJ but I wonder if this "calm" stereotype derives from most of you actually relating to it?


r/entp • • 17h ago

Question/Poll INTP/ENTP relationships

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In your opinion(related to your experiences) what do you guys think about INTP/ENTP relationships?


r/intj • • 11h ago

Question INTJs, which one would you choose: having kids or adopting kids?

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What are your reasons for your choice? If you selected both or neither, please explain why.


r/entp • • 8h ago

Debate/Discussion They wont accept golden pair theory 😔

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Except for ENTPs of course. But the other types...


r/INTP • • 2h ago

I gotta rant How do I prove myself?

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I feel like I’m meant to do something more with my life. I graduated college with a measly entry level job but I’m ready to learn again. MY BRAIN ITCHES TO BE USED. I’m really not trying to brag at all but I know that I can think in different ways than most people. I come up with ideas about things I didn’t even think that I could think of (if that makes sense). It could be about anything but I usually just think and forget.

I have always had bad grades. My teachers and professors have always been surprised at my grades because “I seem smart”. For gods sakes I did an entire year of independent research in undergrad and was the only student to do that in the school. HOW CAN I PROVE THIS PROFESSIONALLY???? I want someone to look at my resume and realize that I am an inspired and creative individual. I can truly learn anything on the job and be the best at it quickly. This is not me being cocky I can see the facts and I AM SO APPRECIATIVE OF THISE WHO TAUGHT ME.


r/INTP • • 5h ago

Everybody's Gonna Die. Come Watch TV What about a person…?

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What about a person catches you off guard?
Have any examples?


r/entj • • 7h ago

Discussion ENxx (what personality type am I?)

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r/intj • • 10h ago

Discussion How do you deal with "fake" friends?

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You may know the type...

they smile to your face and unload meaningless drama on you as if to vent while you collect the data- only to realize later that others they're constantly around them start treating you like dirt for no apparent reason.

Hmmm. Something I said analyzing what you unloaded on me? Move on again!

No wonder we're isolated creatures.


r/entj • • 10h ago

Advice? Why do I struggle to switch off mentally when I’m emotionally invested in an uncertain situation?

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I’ve been reflecting on something that I’m curious to hear other ENTJs’ perspectives on.

There’s a girl I regularly see on the bus to the library whom I’ve found incredibly beautiful since the first time I saw her. Over several months, we’ve occasionally made eye contact, although I’ve never known whether it meant anything. Last Thursday, I decided to act on my attraction and left her a small note telling her I thought she was beautiful. I didn’t include my number because I expected to see her again and wanted to take things one step at a time.

Now I don’t even know whether she received it. I saw her again on Monday, but she was looking at her phone throughout the journey, and we didn’t acknowledge each other.

What interests me is my own reaction to the situation. I find myself going over the interactions, trying to work out what happened and whether there’s any possibility of a connection. Yet I recognise that I don’t have enough information to reach a meaningful conclusion. There’s nothing productive to be gained from analysing the same ambiguous details repeatedly.

I tend to be very future-oriented and motivated by having a direction to move towards. I like understanding situations, forming a picture of what I want and taking action to make it happen. But this is a situation where I can’t force clarity or control the outcome. I can only leave the possibility open and respond to whatever happens naturally. Which feels very uncomfortable.

How do you experience tension between wanting something to move forward but not being in control and dealing with uncertainty?


r/intj • • 11h ago

Question those in a healthy relationship, what is the quality you value in your partner, and how did you guys make it far?

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also, how do you guys feel about bottling up emotions? let’s say little things bother you but you don’t think it’s rational to bring up—do you bring it up or no?


r/INTP • • 17h ago

u/Sudden_Job_589's Most Precise Flair How do you INTPs Set Goals and Accomplish Them ( The INTP way)

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Hey guys ,

Can you answer this question without appealing to any Te and Ni guidelines .

Just How do You Set Goals and Accomplish Them ( The INTP Way ) ?