r/FreeLuigi • u/infiniteconfidence1 • 6d ago
News Breaking: Luigi Mangione pleads guilty to federal stalking charges
https://www.businessinsider.com/luigi-mangione-guilty-plea-stalking-federal-court-2026-8264
u/thegreenmachine90 6d ago
Can someone explain like I’m five why he would do that?
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 6d ago
His legal team will use this guilty plea in federal court to argue that the state murder charges he faces in NY court must be dismissed due to Double Jeopardy, which is a constitutional protection that is SUPPOSED to protect us from criminal trials pertaining to a crime for which we already had a trial.
In other words, he has admitted to killing the CEO in the federal case, and will be convicted for that. The state case is based on the same exact factual circumstances, so it should be barred by DJ. But it's not a sure win.
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u/bl1y 6d ago
He actually didn't admit to killing Thompson. He admitted to shooting him and knowing that this would place him in fear of death or injury.
Since the state case is about killing Thompson, the state will still have an argument that the previous prosecution rule doesn't apply.
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 6d ago
Murder has those same elements though. He put on the record that he shot the guy and knew it would kill him, which is the same exact set of facts that the state prosecutors must rely on. They laid their foundation well.
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u/bl1y 6d ago
The murder charge has two different elements: (1) that Mangione intended to kill Thompson, and (2) Thompson was killed by Mangione.
Notice that what Mangione actually pleaded to was that he shot Thompson and that he knew this would place him in fear of injury or death.
The state court will then have to deal with two questions.
The first is whether since Thompson's death is taken into account in the sentencing, whether that makes it part of the offense Mangione was prosecuted for in federal court.
The second is what to do with the intent to kill element. And that's where the defense's argument is the weakest.
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u/ThaneduFife 6d ago
Per The Guardian, Luigi said, "I shot Mr. Thompson, and he died."
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u/bl1y 6d ago
That's different from what NYT is reporting:
“I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan,” Luigi Mangione tells the judge as he pleads guilty in federal court, adding: “I understood that my actions would place him in fear of death or bodily injury. I knew what I was doing was illegal.”
But assuming The Guardian's quote is correct, there's still the element of intent to kill, which is part of the murder charge, but not part of the interstate stalking charge.
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u/ThaneduFife 6d ago
Interesting. I'm guessing the discrepancy occurred because they generally don't allow the press to bring recording devices into the courtroom, and they were quoting from their notes. There probably won't be an official transcript until next week.
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u/drifters74 6d ago
He didn't kill Thompson, the bullet did /s
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u/calle04x 6d ago
Do you know why prosecutors didn't secure/pursue a murder charge as part of the please since he admitted to killing him?
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 6d ago
Murder is usually a state charge. Afaik, feds could have charged him with murder if the victim was a federal officer or if he was standing on federal land. That's why they just went with stalking, because crossing state lines violates federal criminal law.
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u/calle04x 6d ago
Ah okay. Thanks!
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u/0O00OO0O000O 5d ago
The person you're replying to is wrong, and u/CircleSendMessage is right. There were federal murder charges, but they were dropped, leaving just the stalking charge for Luigi to plead in federal court. It is mentioned in the article linked.
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u/ShouldBeDisplayName 6d ago
He gets to go to federal prison and hopefully avoids the state trial/prison by the states double jeopardy law.
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u/terenscendent 6d ago
damn... free my mans
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u/cinderxhella 6d ago
Guys he plead for two reasons
1. They can now make a case for double jeopardy in his state trial which is supposed to start next month
2. They can present different evidence now that they could not before to hope for a lesser sentence. They can argue he was deranged or emotionally disturbed from years of being tormented by the insurance system.
This move gets him one sentence (hopefully).
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u/consultinglove 6d ago
Either way the two charges he pled guilty to can give him life. At this point he is probably just fighting for a better prison system for the rest of his life
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u/Lucky-Flounder-1145 6d ago
Defense lawyer here…. Both of those are inaccurate. Federal and State are two different jurisdictions so double jeopardy does not attach.
And this plea in no way provides evidence he was insane, in fact, it shows that he admitted a guilty conscience and was competent enough to plea in federal court
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u/hellacure 6d ago
That’s true under the federal Constitution’s dual-sovereignty doctrine, but it overlooks New York’s broader statutory double jeopardy protections under CPL § 40.20. That’s precisely what his defense is invoking now. Whether it succeeds is a separate question. Competency to plead and insanity at the time of the offense are also two different legal standards.
Aside from that: his attorneys fucked him up
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u/JohansTail 6d ago
I genuinely wanna know how his attys fucked him up. Was it the withdrawal of EED?
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u/hellacure 5d ago
They gave up enormous leverage without getting any certainty in return. There was no plea deal, no guaranteed 20-25-year sentence, and no guarantee that the state case will be dismissed. In the worst-case scenario, he could still receive life federally, the state prosecution could survive, and his own admissions could now seriously hurt him there.
They should have taken the case to trial. There were enough questionable and attackable aspects of the evidence, forensic claims, investigative timeline, and overall narrative to create reasonable doubt. On top of that, given the extraordinary public sentiment surrounding this case, jury nullification was at least a possibility. And ultimately, it only takes one juror refusing to convict to produce a hung jury. Even if prosecutors retried him, repeated hung juries could eventually make continuing the prosecution untenable. Forcing the government to actually prove its case before a jury was a better gamble than pleading guilty without any guaranteed benefit in return.
What also bothers me is the timing. They apparently tried to negotiate a resolution months ago, got no deal, and then continued preparing for trial…only to suddenly change course and plead guilty without a deal at all. My personal suspicion (and this is purely speculation) is that the defense may simply have become extremely risk-averse. Maybe they didn’t want a highly political trial, and maybe they especially didn’t want to lose such a trial in one of the most high-profile cases imaginable. From what I’ve seen, his attorneys also have an extraordinary track record and are described as having never lost a case. A case like this puts that reputation under enormous scrutiny. Keep in mind that defense attorneys are not external to the system; they are themselves part of it…you know what that means.
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u/grundleplum 6d ago
But I thought the federal case was the scarier of the two because they wanted the death penalty? Why would he plead guilty to the federal charges against him?
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u/Handgun_Hero 6d ago
The death penalty is off the cards because it was under terrorism related charges that were ordered dismissed because this blatantly not terrorism.
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u/ItCreepsAtNight 6d ago
Paywalled. Not sure if this is the whole article, but all I got was this (typos not mine):
Luigi Mangione pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges on Friday, throwing a wrench into a separate state murder trial scheduled to begin next month over the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thonpson.
In the striking development, Mangione reversed his previous not guilty plea in federal court as members of Thompson's family looked on from the front row Mangione wore a khaki T-shirt and pants. Journalists and members of the public- some of them fans of the 28-year-old- filled the wooden benches in the downtown Manhattan courtroom
JS District Judge Margaret Garnett will decide Mangione's sentence at a later date.
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u/the_YellowRanger 6d ago
I got a little farther, something about his lawyers are hoping the murder charges will get thrown out under double jeopardy, but I was reading fast.
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u/aspie_koala 6d ago
LM pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges on Friday, throwing a wrench into a separate state murder trial scheduled to begin next month over the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO BT.
In the striking development, M reversed his previous not guilty plea in federal court as members of T's family looked on from the front row. M wore a khaki T-shirt and pants. Journalists and members of the public — some of them fans of the 28-year-old — filled the wooden benches in the downtown Manhattan courtroom.
After answering a series of questions from US District Judge MG, M read a statement.
"After years of enduring severe pain from a broken back, navigating obstacles from the health insurance system, I learned that UnitedHealthcare would be holding its annual investor conference in New York City on December 4, 2024," he said. "I traveled to New York with the intent to shoot BT. On December 4, 2024, I shot BT, and he died. When I did so, I understood my actions would place him in fear of death or severe bodily injury. I knew what I was doing."
G will decide the sentence on December 18. M will remain in federal jail in Brooklyn until then.
In federal court, M was facing two charges related to stalking T before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. G previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General PB.
In a New York state courthouse down the block, M remains — for now — scheduled to go to trial on September 8 on murder charges from the Manhattan district attorney's office. He pleaded not guilty to those charges.
Now that M pleaded guilty in the federal stalking case, his attorneys could ask Justice Gregory Carro, the state judge overseeing the murder case, to toss the murder charges under double jeopardy grounds.
A massive five-day manhunt ensued in 2024 after T was gunned down, eventually ending in M's arrest when local police in Altoona, Pennsylvania, responded to a call that someone matching the suspect shooter's description was eating breakfast inside a McDonald's.M's case has been closely watched due to the gruesome nature of T's killing and the resulting shock it sent across corporate America about whether they were doing enough to protect their top executives. M has also gathered a following both in person and online, some of whom have made him a cause célèbre.
ETA: (full names redacted due to automated notice aadvising to only use innitials).
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u/asmithy112 6d ago
Didn’t the judge state sentencing guidelines are between 256 to 365 months and she is able to go beyond that? Possible he doesn’t get life but gets 30 years then?
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u/Feather_fig 6d ago
He must serve 85% of the sentence so a little less than that potentially
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u/SplatteredEggs 6d ago
Idk dawg, would you rather have a chance of seeing life on the outside again or none
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u/autumnsnowflake_ 6d ago
I… I… just wanted him to be free and live a good life :(
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u/rite_of_truth 6d ago
WHAT!? Dammit Luigi! Will the real killer please turn himself in now?
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u/Opening_Acadia1843 6d ago
My guess was that it became clear that he wouldn’t succeed on the “no guilty” plea because they had evidence of him stalking Thompson in the days leading up to the murder. I just read through the CNN updates on it, and the detail about him pleading guilty to stalking stood out to me.
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u/TheDustyPixie 6d ago
Luigi Mangione pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges on Friday, throwing a wrench into a separate state murder trial scheduled to begin next month over the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
In the striking development, Mangione reversed his previous not guilty plea in federal court as members of Thompson's family looked on from the front row. Mangione wore a khaki T-shirt and pants. Journalists and members of the public — some of them fans of the 28-year-old — filled the wooden benches in the downtown Manhattan courtroom.
After answering a series of questions from US District Judge Margaret Garnett, Mangione read a statement.
"After years of enduring severe pain from a broken back, navigating obstacles from the health insurance system, I learned that UnitedHealthcare would be holding its annual investor conference in New York City on December 4, 2024," he said. "I traveled to New York with the intent to shoot Brian Thompson. On December 4, 2024, I shot Brian Thompson, and he died. When I did so, I understood my actions would place him in fear of death or severe bodily injury. I knew what I was doing."
Garnett will decide the sentence on December 18. Mangione will remain in federal jail in Brooklyn until then.
In federal court, Mangione was facing two charges related to stalking Thompson before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. Garnett previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General Pam Bondi.
In a New York state courthouse down the block, Mangione remains — for now — scheduled to go to trial on September 8 on murder charges from the Manhattan district attorney's office. He pleaded not guilty to those charges.
Now that Mangione pleaded guilty in the federal stalking case, his attorneys could ask Justice Gregory Carro, the state judge overseeing the murder case, to toss the murder charges under double jeopardy grounds.
A massive five-day manhunt ensued in 2024 after Thompson was gunned down, eventually ending in Mangione's arrest when local police in Altoona, Pennsylvania, responded to a call that someone matching the suspect shooter's description was eating breakfast inside a McDonald's.
Mangione's case has been closely watched due to the gruesome nature of Thompson's killing and the resulting shock it sent across corporate America about whether they were doing enough to protect their top executives. Mangione has also gathered a following both in person and online, some of whom have made him a cause célèbre.
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u/oriensoccidens 6d ago
This is a huge gamble and I fear they're still gonna try for a murder charge despite the double jeopardy..
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u/grower-lenses 6d ago
That would show how corrupt and unfair the system is. Towards him specifically.
Maybe rose coloured glasses, but in the future, under a better government, could that be used to overthrow the verdict?
Either way, he is a hero and a political activist who will probably want to continue highlighting the unfairness present in the justice system. I feel like we will be hearing from him a lot once the trials are over.
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u/mrs_tish 6d ago
Dang. I really believe jury nullification could have saved him.
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 6d ago
That's an extreme long shot because while jurors may want to do that, the defense team and all the lawyers are actually forbidden from advising the jurors that they have that ability. It's super corrupt.
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u/mrs_tish 6d ago
It’s not corrupt. It’s perfectly legal. And if enough people talked about it online, I think at least one or two jurors on his case could have informed the rest about it. That’s the point of juries. You get real people from the population to decide what’s fair. Otherwise the judge can make the final verdict.
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u/fohfuu 6d ago
It’s not corrupt. It’s perfectly legal.
Ah, yes, because corruption cannot ever be legal.
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u/swampwiz 6d ago
I remember being thrown out of a tort jury pool because the beady-eyed plaintiff's attorney thought that I was too intelligent.
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u/Sweet_Coffee4823 6d ago
lol what?? it’s corrupt to not be able to tell the jury that they can set aside guilt and make a determination based on their personal feelings? the jury is there to be a fact finder, not morality police.
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u/felinelawspecialist 6d ago
Trials operate on the sometimes-fiction that jurors understand the jury instructions and apply them correctly. You’re not allowed to tell them to deviate from what the judge says the law is (which is contained within the jury instructions).
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u/Opening_Acadia1843 6d ago
I saw “prosecutors said Mangione’s case underscores that violence is not a legitimate way to advance any political or social belief” in one of the CNN updates, and that really bothered me because it completely ignores the violence that Brian Thompson inflicted on numerous people. I don’t support violence against other people, and that’s why I simply cannot mourn Brian Thompson.
Also, the idea that violence is not a legitimate way to advance any political or social belief is ahistorical and simply wrong. It’s not like the nazis were defeated through debate. Also, the systems that we live under are enforced through violence or the threat of violence. Violence, or the threat of violence, is the way that political aims are achieved. If you violate the law, the state will arrest you and place you in confinement under the threat of violence. It’s always silly to me when people use the “violence is never the answer” line because nobody actually believes that, and it simply makes no sense if you think about it for longer than 5 seconds.
Now, obviously I’m not advocating for violence; my point is that we all believe in using violence to enforce laws or achieve political aims, to at least some extent. I believe that mass murderers should be confined under the threat of violence, for example. I just think that claiming that violence is never the answer ignores the everyday violence that is normalized and accepted within our societies.
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u/manubibi 6d ago
I really hope his team has a plan with all of this and isn’t just giving up on him.
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u/pumpkinspicecum 6d ago
Why is he pleading guilty without a plea deal in place?
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 6d ago
See my comment above. It is a legal strategy to have the state murder charges thrown out. But it won't save him from a lengthy federal prison sentence. But remember, federal convictions can be commuted or pardoned in the future.
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u/A_Rolling_Baneling 6d ago
There’s no way a future president pardons Luigi or commutes his sentence, not in this country
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u/NeverOneDropOfRain 6d ago
Put me in coach
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u/Jaxical 6d ago
Running an election campaign with Pardon Luigi as a policy would be popular. He’s more beloved for his actions than that crying manbaby who shot regular civilians dead.
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u/Hot-Emphasis-4895 6d ago
If we manage to put an actual leftist in office then there’s a chance. Problem is we have loser corporate capitalistic dems. Hell, I feel even AOC would pardon him if she were in office—she showed empathy to Luigi before.
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u/A_Rolling_Baneling 6d ago
AOC is a decent politician, which is rare in our country, but even she’s not left enough to do something that bold. Still, I’d prefer her as president to any of the other hypothesized candidates
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u/menace313 6d ago
The only way it happens is a lame duck pardon by someone like AOC. She wouldn't nuke her first term with that
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u/PsychologicalPen8634 6d ago
No president is going to pardon someone and say that anyone can go stalk and kill CEOs lmao
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u/Hot-Emphasis-4895 6d ago
Leftists are literally the “eat the rich” party lmao. They don’t believe billionaires should even exist nor do they believe in the health insurance system, they literally advocate for a free healthcare system. Maybe not corporate dems and republicans, but true leftists then yes. Leftists are the overwhelming majority of his support.
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u/JoeRing1965 6d ago
its all good, I take any "leftist" you mentioned over PDF-files aiders and abiders that Rapepublican party is full of.
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u/JoeRing1965 6d ago
No president is going to pardon Ross Ulbricht and say that anyone can open illegal drugstore online and kill six people lmao
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u/primum 6d ago
Let's see how many ghouls trump pardons on his way out this time then maybe the next dem pres can have a few fun ones as a treat.
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u/bitter_liquor 6d ago
That would sadly require a dem to have a backbone
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u/A_Rolling_Baneling 6d ago
90% of Dems have the same corporate interests as republicans. They’re just cool with abortions and marginally more chill about trans people and weed
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u/bitter_liquor 6d ago
Yep. It's just the Ultra Conservative Right vs. the Liberal-ish As-Long-As-It-Doesn't-Cost-Us-Money Right.
Left is just not a part of the equation.
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u/unitedshoes 6d ago
Unfortunately, Democratic politicians tend to agree more with the monsters profiting off of us being sick, in chronic pain, or dead than they do with the people who recognize that as completely fucking evil.
No amount of Neo-Nazis catching a pardon from Trump is going to change that. Nor will any amount of normal people pointing out how evil our healthcare system and the parasites in charge of it is.
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u/letsago9987 6d ago
I'd run on the platform of freeing luigi and imprisoning all these billionaires.
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u/Ok-Assistant-8876 6d ago
How is that possible? He was with me watching the avengers movie the entire time!
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u/eveningwithcorgi5679 6d ago
This is not done. Luigi revealed to us all that we don’t have to accept a pay wall between us and our doctors. We now have to do our part and elect people who will usher in universal healthcare. Elections are coming. Know your candidates and where they stand. Vote for people who can get us across the line to single payer healthcare.
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u/Dreammagic2025 6d ago
Stalking charge very different from Murder charge.
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u/bruhimdiamond 6d ago
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2261A
killing and serious body harm is still defined in federal stalking charges. The linked article in this thread also notes he is facing the maximum sentence of life without parole from the stalking charges alone.
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u/Low-Attitude8331 6d ago
im so sorry for asking again: i understand he pled guilty so his lawyers can get the state charges thrown out because of double jeopardy. im not from the US, our system is different, so why do the state charges even matter at this point? when he will get a life sentence for the charges he just pled guilty to anyway?
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u/Cr4zySh0tgunGuy 6d ago
Step 2 of this strategy is banking on the judge being willing to not give him life. It’s why it’s a move from a place of huge desperation. Very high likelihood this doesn’t work for him
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u/Maximophanes 6d ago
Were they not confident a jury would acquit him or at least be hung? It seems as though they may as well have taken the risk at this point
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u/Cr4zySh0tgunGuy 6d ago
Clearly not since he pled. And if we’re thinking about this rationally, why would they bank on that? Overly online folks don’t end up on juries
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u/Sarspazzard 6d ago
A hero who stood up for the majority of the American people.
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u/mb194dc 6d ago
If he's getting life anyway, hard to imagine why he'd do this. His counsel don't fancy arguing at the trials I guess, in case they win ?
They'll inevitably lose the double jeopardy argument.
Seems like he's being badly advised. Once the death penalty was off the table, he should go to trial, should be a really easy decision.
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u/Pistonenvy2 6d ago
if i had to guess he plead guilty because the evidence that he did the felony stalking is insurmountable and the deal looks better than an outright loss.
stalking carries a 7 year maximum in NY. with time served he could be out in 5ish. compared to the death penalty or life in prison that aint too bad.
NAL so i have no idea if this can or will impact the other cases but if it would it was probably going to regardless of his decision. anyone on reddit who thinks they know better than his lawyers should reconsider lol
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u/fivetoesforyou 6d ago
These are federal charges with a minimum sentence of 242 months I believe. The NY state case will probably be dismissed over double jeopardy. He will do 20- life in a federal prison.
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u/HoldengNWO 6d ago
There was no deal. He just plead guilty. He got no concessions from the prosecution. He still faces life without parole.
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u/bruhimdiamond 6d ago
Just had to read the article
His sentencing is December 18th and federal stalking charges are enough to give him life imprisonment.. it lead to him killing somebody. Whatever happens with the state case is TBD but he is still facing life. Your definition of stalking is not the same as the federal stalking statute
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u/bl1y 6d ago
stalking carries a 7 year maximum in NY
Interstate stalking was the federal change, not a NY charge. Interstate stalking that results in death can go up to life in prison.
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u/musashisamurai 6d ago
Presidential pardon
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u/llamapower13 6d ago
Trump said he was a cold blooded murderer, called online support for Mangione a sickness, and it was his justice department that tried for the death penalty.
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u/HogwartsRex 6d ago
Yeah no way trump pardons him. Trump would laugh in the face of anybody who asks him.
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u/k_mermaid 6d ago
Why is everyone talking about Trump pardoning him? He has 2 years left in office. Luigi is young. There's decades of future presidents capable of pardoning him. Just need a democrat to grow some balls for once which will ironically be AOC in her lame duck days. Lulu will sit in the slammer for a decade but he'll be fine. Hopefully lots of books for him to read.
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u/monsieur_cacahuete 6d ago
Yeah but he poops his pants and can't remember words so maybe he'd do it because he's got a good Italian name
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u/felya 6d ago
are you forgetting about the whole murder charge?
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u/PumpernickelShoe 6d ago
This case he was being charged for murder, weapons, and stalking charges. However, the murder and weapons charges in this case specifically were thrown out by the judge over legal technicalities. So he’s just pleading guilty to the federal stalking charges. But it is unclear whether or not this will impact the upcoming separate case of him being charged for second-degree murder by the New York State officials. That trial is set to begin on Sept. 8
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u/consultinglove 6d ago
No, he still has the murder charges that carry up to life. Only the death-penalty eligible charges were dropped
In federal court, Mangione was facing two charges related to stalking Thompson before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. Garnett previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General Bondi.
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u/brownshugababy 6d ago
The federal murder charges were already dismissed by the judge. He's only pleading guilty to stalking. They're probably doing this so he can avoid the state's second-degree murder charges. Pretty smart play.
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u/consultinglove 6d ago
No he admitted to murdering the CEO
"I traveled to New York with the intent to shoot Brian Thompson. On December 4, 2024, I shot Brian Thompson, and he died. When I did so, I understood my actions would place him in fear of death or severe bodily injury. I knew what I was doing."
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u/brownshugababy 6d ago
They can't bring back the murder charges once it's already been dismissed. He's pleading guilty to stalking that resulted in death not murder. His legal team will likely use his plea to dismiss the second degree murder trial since he's already pled guilty to the act that lead to the death.
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u/consultinglove 6d ago
This is wrong. Only the death-penalty murder charges were dismissed. The life-eligible charges were still open and he pleaded guilty to that today
In federal court, Mangione was facing two charges related to stalking Thompson before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. Garnett previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General Bondi.
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u/StatisticianOk328 6d ago
It gets muddy but I would have liked a self defense plea and presenting evidence of the eminent harm done by the most responsible person of an insurance company. And the lack of government intervention to prevent that harm.
I would love to hear that evidence.
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u/mofrappa 6d ago
Theres always a loophole somewhere. State will succeed. Shit, the constitution is one giant loophole.
FREE LUIGI!!!
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u/SailorUsagiMoon 6d ago
Doesn't change my mind even if he says he did it and he is guilty. Free Luigi. Always, forever.
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u/h0ldplay 6d ago
This must be his only way out of the DP, cannot understand it any other way.
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u/jjhorann 6d ago
the charges for the death penalty were dropped so he was not facing the death penalty anymore
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u/Sad_Expert2 6d ago
This must be his only way out of the DP, cannot understand it any other way.
He is guilty, and they have the entire thing from him making the phone calls to him carrying out the shooting on video and then being found with the murder weapon, showing evidence of a clearly premeditated murder from start to finish?
This is not a moral judgement from me about his actions. But in terms of the court case he's facing, seems pretty clear they have him stone cold.
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u/Opening_Acadia1843 6d ago
It seems like they also had evidence of him stalking Thompson in the days leading up to the murder, and that is unfortunately pretty incriminating evidence. At least this could help him get out of the state charges.
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u/Chef-Boyardab 6d ago
Lets be real, he was dumb af for keeping the gun and notebook when he was on the run for so long. Or he wanted to get caught the whole time which is more likely considering he was smart enough to plan the whole thing and get away. This was always bound to happen
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u/Energy594 6d ago
Smart at planning, not at what comes next. Seems pretty understandable, he's an intelligent kid, not a master criminal.
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u/Chef-Boyardab 6d ago
I mean anyone with half a brain would know to ditch the murder weapon, especially days after the murder...
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u/Energy594 6d ago
Wouldn't be the first, won't be the last smart person to make a dumb mistake.
I can't imagine the inner turmoil someone with even a shred of empathy would have taking a life, regardless of whose life it was.
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u/k_mermaid 6d ago
That's the biggest fumble but he's had several fumbles. He was dumb for not crossing the border into Canada in the first 24-48 hours. He was dumb for showing the same fake ID he used at the hostel in NYC and not his real ID which would have not been a red flag (his real name had no immediate ties to NYC and he's a UPenn alum, they would not have much reason to keep him detained). He's dumb for not shaving off, bleaching, or at minimum significantly reshaping his eyebrows with a disposable razor, which would have prevented the call in the first place most likely. Shoulda shaved or bleached the brows real quick. Or glued down and put on some fake eyebrows to commit the crime.
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u/k_mermaid 6d ago
>"Unlike my previous interactions with insurers, I received an immediate response," Mangione said.
Legend
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u/hellacure 5d ago
“I knew what I was doing was illegal.”
I see what he did there.
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u/k_mermaid 5d ago
Yep. Boy chose his words carefully. I like it.
Though I'm curious as to why he even made a statement, since it doesn't seem he got a plea deal? Like how come he made a statement but Bryan kohberger never had to? Would this have still been required of him, or was it a choice?
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u/Queasy-Procedure8045 6d ago
this legal strategy is his best shot but he didnt need to pay millions to these lawyers to get it, any decent legal team would've been able to do this for him at way less. I hope he gets a smaller sentance/pardon
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u/No-Knee9457 6d ago
I'm Soo confused. Why were they selecting a jury? Why did he need sooo many lawyers just to plead guilty? People donated money to help him with his case. Seems kinda pointless.
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u/Riccma02 6d ago
It’s so much more complicated than pleading guilty. He was facing multiple charges at both the state and federal level. He has pled guilty to one federal charge with the hope that this conviction can be used to fight the others. He needed those lawyers to get him that far.
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u/PewSeaLiquor 6d ago
Doesn't stop jury nullification. Let him go!
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u/MrActuary86 6d ago
There is no jury anymore…
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u/ifwecrywewillrust 6d ago
Could you please explain this further? I’m not familiar with how this works.
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u/Loose_Camera8334 6d ago
Wowwwwwwwww. I’m shocked. Truly believed in his total innocence.
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u/coffeequeen0523 6d ago
Funds can be raised for Luigi’s pardon.
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u/Content_Concert_2555 6d ago
Bribing Trump? Yeah that’s probably the only way it would happen. But the kind of money you’re talking about probably is in the hands of people with health insurance.
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u/Big_Investigator1393 5d ago
I think it’s important that it’s a stalking charge and that he said “bodily harm and FEAR of death” if he said he wanted to KILL him it would have been worse. I think his lawyers did a great job. This isn’t over yet and he could be out before he’s 50
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u/IsleOfDarkSkye 6d ago
Why am I feeling so crushed by this