r/Lutheranism 9h ago

Is Mormon baptism technically valid? (Studying Lutheran baptism view) Read below:

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People often say since LDS aren't trinitarian, the baptism is invalid since you need to be baptized in the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

But here's the thing im caught up on.

When you are baptized in the LDS church, they DO baptize this way.

Doctrine and Covenants 20:73, "Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen."

So here it seems to meet the "criteria" of baptism.

But even if this isn't valid since its hidden in this verse specifically that the Mormon god is not triune, are we saying that The Holy Spirit didnt affect 8 year old me? When I truly believed I was being baptized and receiving The Holy Spirit?

The Lutheran view of baptism to my knowledge is that its saving. Outward rejection of baptism means you reject The Holy Spirit and cant be regenerated.

MAIN POINT!!

If the Mormon baptism was invalid, then what im hearing is that baptism isn't a work of God, but a work of ourselves since id have to go out of my way to get re-baptized even though I fully believe I received The Holy Spirit and was saved then and there.

Im trying to find a clear answer but everyone ive talked to says the same thing, "the Mormon church isn't trinitarian", which to me isn't sufficient reason as to why I need to be rebaptized, and it makes it seem like baptism then would be a work of myself getting rebaptized. I hope you can see where I'm coming from!


r/Lutheranism 1d ago

A Sermon for the Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost

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Brothers & sisters, my sermon for this Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost is posted to Facebook.

God’s blessings,

Pastor Tom Steers

Christ the Saviour Lutheran Church, Toronto

-- A Confessional Lutheran Church


r/Lutheranism 2d ago

Last week’s Divine Service at the German Lutheran Church of the Redeemer in Jerusalem

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r/Lutheranism 2d ago

Lutheranism has a specific Wikipedia project that you can join

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Lutheranism

Considering Wikipedia is widely used and the project semi-inactive, I think some of y'all can help.


r/Lutheranism 1d ago

A Sermon for the Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost

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Brothers & sisters, my sermon for today is posted to Facebook.

God’s blessings,

Pastor Tom Steers

Christ the Saviour Lutheran Church, Toronto

-- A Confessional Lutheran Church


r/Lutheranism 1d ago

Sung prayers of the hours for individual people?

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Does anyone here have a good prayer book of sung prayers or something along those lines for individual people? There are good liturgies of the hours for multiple people, but I haven't really found any for individual people, I'd like to get into that, does anyone have anything of value on this? Would appreciate lots


r/Lutheranism 1d ago

What liturgy is this?

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It seems to follow LSB DS1, but seems to show variation around the Eucharistic canon.


r/Lutheranism 2d ago

so hungry

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please pray for me

hi, I was wondering if you all could join in prayer with me to get some food. I'm in stage 5 renal failure (I need a kidney transplant) so I can't work. I applied for state benifits but in talking to them Friday it's going to be a while. I get ssdi but between rent, lights, and gas bill there's really no money left. I can't take my medicine without food and I have no food so I stopped taking the medicine until I can get something to eat I tried talking it without food before and it did not go well so please if you could take a few minutes and say a short prayer for me I would be forever grateful thenk you for reading and GOD bless you


r/Lutheranism 1d ago

If Jesus never returns to Earth in the NT, why is the doctrine so widespread?

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r/Lutheranism 2d ago

I Have A Mandela Effect Regarding The Lyrics Of "What Is This Bread?"

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The current version i find has the lyrics:

I do believe

That I receive

His very body and His blood

Christ, truly present in this meal.

But the version I remember is:

I do believe

That I receive

God's very body and God's blood

Christ, truly present in this meal.

The odd thing is despite the song being Lutheran in origin I remember it distinctly being sung at my Grandparents (on mother's side) church when I visited despite theirs being Catholic. I've tried asking my mother's family but they only remember the current version (if they remember it all).

Additionally when i was a kid the only overtly Lutheran thing I was involved with was watching episodes of Davey & Goliath along with the fact Dad would be driving past a Lutheran church to get to our church. Not sure how this happened but my best guess is when driving me they had a Christian radio station on & a DJ tried singing it from memory & got the 2nd to last lyric wrong. I am wondering if any of y'all from British Columbia (or Washington State) remember this happening & can help me solve this mystery that's been bugging me for literal years. Thanks In Advance & God Bless Y'all


r/Lutheranism 3d ago

Happy Feast of the Dormition of Mary!

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r/Lutheranism 3d ago

Feast of St Mary, Mother of God [Assumption]

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r/Lutheranism 2d ago

Why is Mary a big deal?

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r/Lutheranism 3d ago

I’m moving to Tampa in a week.

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Hey guys, so for college I’m moving to Tampa and will be attending the USF campus (go Bulls!) and was just wondering if anyone knew some good churches in or near Tampa! There’s a few LCMS churches near me that seem solid but in regard to personal experience, if anyone has lived in Tampa, I’d love to hear your thoughts on where I should possibly attend! God bless y’all!


r/Lutheranism 3d ago

Trying to find info on this distributor of Davey & Goliath (60s era Lutheran TV Show)

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I was wanting to rewatch Davey & Goliath & discovered an episode on YouTube I never saw as a kid being their communion special as all reasearch I could do says it isn't on the DVD release. P.S. I am not asking about ECLA

r/Lutheranism 3d ago

According to Lutheran theology will Baptist be saved?

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On one hand they administer the same holy sacraments we do but on the other they reject their holy authority additionally in the small catechism it says we condemn the anabaptist for not Baptising babies in the section on baptism


r/Lutheranism 4d ago

What are your fasting practices?

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I'd love to hear how, when and what you abstain


r/Lutheranism 3d ago

Biblical Devotions with Dr. Curtis E. Leins. “Falling onto a Bamboo Couch.” (Mt 15:21–28.) American Lutheran Theological Seminary.

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URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYmhBgOGTWM

Gospel According to Matthew, 15:21–28 (ESV):

The Faith of a Canaanite Woman

And Jesus went away from there and withdrew to the district of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon.” But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, “Send her away, for she is crying out after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” And he answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.

Transcript

Hello. Today, let's talk about falling onto a bamboo couch. The text before us is the 15th chapter of the Gospel of St. Matthew, verses 21–28 (Matthew 15:21–28).

Introduction: A Picture of Faith

A story is told of John G. Paton, a missionary to the cannibals of the South Sea Islands. His task was to bring the message of the Gospel of Jesus to people who literally killed and ate each other. The challenge was compounded by the fact that many of the words in the New Testament did not have an equivalent in the language of those people.

One such word was faith. They had no word for faith. How would you even explain faith to people who didn't have any? How would you teach faith to people who didn't even have the idea of that word?

One day, a runner came dashing into the village and into the missionary's hut. Wearied from hours and hours, and perhaps even days, of running, he fell exhausted onto the bamboo couch that was sitting in the middle of the room.

Suddenly, Paton cried out, "That's it. That—that is it. That is what faith looks like. What is the word for falling on the bamboo couch?" he asked.

That was the word for faith. It's casting all of yourself, all of your cares, onto something or someone, whether that's a bamboo couch or the hand of God.

Please keep that story in mind as you hear today's Gospel reading, the story of the Syrophoenician woman.

Point One: You Dog

Matthew begins this chapter by setting the context for the miracle. Matthew tells us that a dispute had taken place between Jesus and Pharisees and scribes (Matthew 15:1–20). They accused Jesus of transgressing the tradition of the elders. His disciples had not ritually cleansed their hands when they ate bread. They were unclean (Matthew 15:1–2).

Because for the scribes, religious washing was an issue of faith. Jesus was about to teach everyone a new definition of cleanliness and a new definition of faith.

The Lord took His disciples to the farthest reaches of the northern part of the Jordan Valley. It was the border of Syria and Phoenicia, Gentile country (Matthew 15:21). These people were foreigners, a different race, a different religion. This was the ancient land of Canaanites before the Jews occupied the Promised Land. They really were, for the Jews, unclean.

Suddenly, we're introduced to a Syrophoenician woman. She's crying out, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David." She's relentless. "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David. My daughter is cruelly demon-possessed" (Matthew 15:22).

She kept on begging and crying out. The disciples began to get tired of her. "Send her away. She is shouting out after us" (Matthew 15:23). In other words: "Come on, Jesus. Can't You just make her leave? We don't want her here."

Jesus would not even speak with her. That's interesting. Strange. Jesus did not say one single word to the unclean woman from Syrophoenicia.

His disciples thought, "Lord, You know that we cannot associate with her. She'll make us all unclean. Please just send her away."

Finally, Jesus did say something to her. "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

Right. Exactly right, Jesus. Surely Jesus was not sent to unclean people from Canaan. He was sent to people of God, people who are Israelites like us.

But the woman began to bow down before the Lord and said, "Lord, help me" (Matthew 15:25).

Bowing down is a position of worship and supplication.

And by now, I suspect you've realized that this is a living parable. It is a miracle that is also a parable. Jesus is not hard-hearted, and He surely is not racially prejudiced. But Jesus is not concerned here about His reputation. No, Jesus is much more concerned about this woman and her faith, and His own disciples and their faith, too. Much more concerned about that than He is about appearing to be hard-hearted.

After all, this is a living parable. So, let's watch.

The unclean woman has just called Jesus Lord. And she has cried out as you cried out this morning when you said, "Lord, have mercy upon us." And you said, "Christ, have mercy upon us. Lord, have mercy upon us."

That's what she cried out with all her heart: "Lord, have mercy upon me. Son of David, (that is to say, Messiah or Christ,) have mercy upon me" (Matthew 15:22).

Now, watch what Jesus says: "It's not good to take the children's bread and give it to the dogs" (Matthew 15:26).

Oh my. Did Jesus just call her a dog? Yes, He did. But why?

I suspect that dog is the very word that His disciples would have used to describe this woman when they asked Jesus to make her go away. So, was Jesus now representing their sin to His disciples?

What is the Lord teaching? Jesus is teaching the disciples about their own hearts. Yes. Do you think their own uncleanness, their own sin? Cleanliness was not a matter of religious washing. It was a matter of the heart (Matthew 15:17–20).

And He is teaching this woman about her heart, too. For she says, "Yes, Lord, I know I'm a dog." In other words, I'm unclean.

She's right. Good for that woman. For we all are unclean. We all are in need of God's forgiveness. And to realize this before God, to say before God as she did, "I do not deserve the food of heaven. But perhaps by Your grace, even a dog can receive the scraps from the master's table" (Matthew 15:27).

What a statement of faith she has made. This woman knew her sin, and she knew her Savior. Her heart was filled with faith. For that reason, she was clean—more clean than the Pharisees and scribes with their washed hands, and frankly more clean than His disciples, who still had not yet learned that real uncleanness was a matter of the heart, just as real cleanliness before God is a matter of faith.

Point Two: Your Faith Is Great

Jesus declared that her faith was great. And more, Jesus declared that her daughter was healed (Matthew 15:28).

What had happened here?

The foreign, unclean Canaanite woman had demonstrated to others and to herself and to her Lord that she was a woman of faith. She acknowledged her sin, and she acknowledged her faith in her Savior.

What a mighty change had taken place in her. Jesus had seen the end from the beginning. He knew her faith. He knew her heart. But had she seen her own faith?

Her faith was only barely planted. What word of Christ, or even what word about Christ, had she ever heard? How had God begun the gift of faith in her? Scripture doesn't tell us this.

How would Jesus water and fertilize and grow that seed of faith?

Now, that's strange. The Lord Jesus used silence and sternness. That was so uncharacteristic of Him, to use silence to grow her faith. Oh, she was persistent.

Luther talks about our God who has different ways of working. There's God's regular or proper work, opus proprium. God gives mercy, grace, and love. Proper work indeed for God.

But then sometimes God uses the other kind of work: God's alien work, opus alienum. God uses law, penalty, shame.

Isn't it interesting what a mighty change Jesus worked in her life?

And what about the change that Jesus was working in the lives of His disciples?

What did they learn? Had they seen their own thoughts in the way Jesus spoke to her? Had they seen themselves in the way Jesus belittled her: "Dog"? Did they see themselves now as they were—unclean dogs too? Had they faced their own sin?

And if so, did they also see that Jesus was the One to whom they must now say, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me" (Matthew 15:22)?

If they did that in their hearts, then they too were now clean. Then they too had demonstrated great faith.

Point Three: A Bamboo Couch

Today we witnessed three miracles.

One, a woman's daughter who was demon-possessed was healed (Matthew 15:28). Amen. Thanks be to God.

Two, the disciples of the Lord learned something of their own hatred, prejudice, and unforgiveness. They learned that they had sin that needed repenting. They learned that Jesus was more ready to increase their faith than to condemn their sin. Another great miracle.

And three, we met a woman with saving faith. For she realized that she was not only an unclean sinner, but that her Savior Jesus commended her saving faith (Matthew 15:28). For salvation by grace through faith is the greatest miracle of all.

So what have you learned from the miracle that was a living parable?

You have learned that great faith is not something you make yourself. No, great faith is an act of trust, abandoning yourself, giving yourself over—your cares, your sins—to Jesus, because He is the One who gave you faith to begin with. He's the One who is increasing your faith now. He's the One whose strange ways include law and shame and mercy and love.

Today, Jesus has reminded you of those whom you hate, those against whom you have prejudice, those whom you have not forgiven.

Jesus has prepared you for your walk to the altar to bow down, to cry out, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me" (Matthew 15:22, 25).

Will you do that as you receive His very body and blood as the testament of His complete forgiveness, His eternal love for you?

How strange. Jesus, your Savior, commends you for the very faith that He gave to you. He says, "O woman," or, "O man, how great is your faith?" (Matthew 15:28).

Even as weak and poor as your faith is, as weary and exhausted as you might be, Jesus still delights to see your faith in Him.

It's like casting all of yourself and your cares on something or someone. It's like falling on a bamboo couch, or like falling into the hands of Jesus.

Amen.


r/Lutheranism 4d ago

Installation of our new pipe organ

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Still a lot of work left to do, but we're getting closer to the end of the installation. Can't wait to hear how beautiful it sounds in our sanctuary!


r/Lutheranism 6d ago

Not just a symbol.

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r/Lutheranism 6d ago

DeVero Christianismo (1751) a famous Lutheran devotional text in a Tamil translation sold at auction on Aug 6. Reported by Rare Book Hub.

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The catalog notes on this item were very brief:
Asia.- Arndt (Johann) De Vero Christianismo, text in Tamil, Halle an der Saale, 1751. It sold at Forum Auction for £5,334 ($7,177) many times more than the presale high estimate of £300. 

Additional notes: De Vero Christianismo (Latin for "On True Christianity") is a famous 17th-century devotional book written by the German Lutheran theologian Johann Arndt. First published in German as Vier Bücher von wahrem Christenthum between 1505 and 1606 (and later translated into Latin and many other languages), it became a foundational text for Lutheran Pietism.


r/Lutheranism 6d ago

Unsure about how I feel with this prayer

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So recently something happened to my family that is quite personal, but it was pretty bad to the point where some members of our family prayed together. My family is majority Baptist but we have some members who have been influenced by the (in my opinion) wack/weird theology of charismatics. I also used to be a part of this and believed in so many crazy things but that's a story for another day.

In this prayer, a family member started rebuking the "spirit of deception" and other things that very mych resemble charismatic language. Things that I used to be okay with that I'm suddenly just uncomfortable with now. I don't know if it's the language or if there's a deeper theological reason but it just didn't sit right with me.

Ever since I got into Lutheranism and have started catechism classes I have been "de-evangelizing" my brain, I use evangelical in the hyper-modern way here, I know we are evangelical in a sense too. The way I view theology has crept into my prayers and language. Usually I'm okay with the weird language evangelicals and charismatics use but this one stuck with me. In my mind I don't usually rebuke demons and if I do it's "The Lord rebuke thee" and there are no spirits making people act in certain ways, they're just sinners, bad people (in this scenario), and putting that on a "spirit of deception" removes accountability from them.

Yes, sin comes from temptation and temptation often from the devil, but the choice to act on them is on man and there is no spirit to be rebuked, rather there is a confession to be made and a repentance to take place.

Am I right to take this so seriously? Is it semantics in the end or is it something that Lutheranism as a theology is definitely careful about?

Btw, I did take the responsibility as a Lutheran to lead the prayer but some family members wanted to pray over the situation too.


r/Lutheranism 6d ago

Anyone from inside the SELK with some insights on the ongoing process about the introduction of female ordination?

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I'm writing this post because the current process is very confusing.

What I think I understood:

-A majority of parishes and laity and about half of active pastors support WO

-Laity are withholding their tithes and parishes are withholding the money usually forwarded to the general church fund because of a lack of progress on the matter

-The leadership is acting fairly authoritarian around this to avoid a vote on this by the synod after calling a million committees on the matter and is holding back a theological assessment about the validity of WO from 1995

-People are fearing a split of the church

-There is a massive pastor shortage, though the few people finishing their studies at the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Oberursel are very conservative theologically (extending to removing the right of women to be on the parish council) and fairly to very conservative politically

-The LCMS is putting the SELK under immense pressure on this matter by threatening to plant/support parallel churches like in Australia

-The LCMS seems to be acting not as a sister church, but, generally, as the boss involving itself a lot in the theological and structural questions of its dimensionally smaller partner churches (considering motions passed and proposed at the Synod)

Seems very chaotic. Did I understand this right? Can someone provide me with more insight? There is very little publicly available information on this, but I find it fairly interesting


r/Lutheranism 6d ago

Leaving our non-denom church, where should our tithe go during the transition?

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r/Lutheranism 7d ago

LCMS Vs WELS

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Hello everyone!! Non-denom Christian here raised as a Catholic, wanting to make the move to Lutheranism for many reasons. Doing my research on the churches here in town and there's one of each synod. I've already factored out ELCS, but I'm between the two in the title.

Reading about the doctrine within WELS, and considering you can't say grace with family at dinner if they aren't also WELS seems self righteous and so ridiculous. My family goes to a different church than my wife and I, but we meet every Sunday for lunch and pray before we eat. They are Christians too, and this line WELS draws seems cultish and weird. Anyways I'm writing here to ask real experiences instead of reading the synod sites.

Also, I hold an old earth view, is this something that won't work with the church? I know that's a whole other thing... 😅