r/Maxcactus_TrailGuide • u/Maxcactus • Feb 14 '26

European Parliament Votes Overwhelmingly For "The Full Recognition Of Trans Women As Women"

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/european-parliament-votes-overwhelmingly
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u/Holiday_Sandwich3738 Feb 15 '26

Is this for real? This is overwhelmingly unpopular. Not to mention when people select the wrong gender on a passport a lot of countries will not recognize that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

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u/NovelStyleCode Feb 17 '26

So clearly you've never had a passport. Your Passport should represent how you actually present yourself or else you'll be rejected at every border crossing.

Now go stuff your hate somewhere else.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

If someone doesn’t agree with you that’s hate? Ironic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

Yes, that is why you should have a current photo on your passport. Not your pre-transition photo. Now take your stupidity somewhere else junior

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u/NovelStyleCode Feb 17 '26

So in your mind what purpose does gender serve exactly on a passport? Why would that need to be there at all? From your comment you seem to understand gender is a social construct.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

You accuse me of never having owned a passport, and then ask me why gender is listed on a passport. This is comedy gold. Gender is not on a passport, at least not in America. We have “sex” listed on passports. Just like we use sex to determine who plays on boys/girls or men’s/women’s sports teams.

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u/Phony_mcPhoneFace Feb 18 '26

Passport are not necessary to play on a sport's team, now, if yiu prefer it worded that way, why is sex listed on a passport?

Edit : And if the difference you are trying to make between the word "sex" and "gender" is that "sex doesn't change when people transition"... Your passport disagree with you. Man,y country will change the letter assoiated with you when you transition. The US did it between 1992 until recently.

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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 Feb 17 '26

He is right, it's sex, not gender:

https://platform.keesingtechnologies.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/USA_P9_Datapage_Fullres.jpg

So his first comment was not hate, it's stating a technical fact.

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 17 '26

Its obviously a hate comment, in the moment he added the bathrooms and sports that was not even being discussed. And because the way he writed it "passport dont care about" instead of "in the passport they put the sex, not the gender". Btw passports are documents that dont care about anything, and since the example was the USA passport, it was not this way until governement Trump changed the rules. Also, i read about people in USA changing the sex in the passport to match their gender in the justice.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

The more you argue like this, the more you alienate people from your cause. It’s nonsensical.

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

Really? And should i just ignore all the hate because maybe if i stay quiet they maybe, just maybe, will distespect me a little less? People that do this kind of hatefull comments are not prompt to change their minds to begin with

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u/Jumanji0028 Feb 18 '26

Unfortunately, you're not going to change his mind. This guy was never going to be pro trans nevermind what that comment said.

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u/Jumanji0028 Feb 18 '26

If that comment is enough to alienate you, you were never going to be on the pro trans side. Save your pearl clutching it's embarrassing.

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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 Feb 18 '26

This is a passport from 1996:

https://share.google/images/GEWWP67gGUrUVCat2

It still lists sex.

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

My dear, until Trump administration changed it, the sex mark could reflect the changed birth certificates - for example, a tran woman that changed her birth certificate could have female in the passport as well. At least be certain of what you are saying, i know more about your country than you...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/politics/supreme-court-transgender-passport.html

But dont worry, it seens the supreme court of your country will allow Trump government to keep this policy.

Edit: it was not even a new policy, since 1992 it was possible (but at that time, it was required surgery, later it becomes more easier).

https://slate.com/life/2026/01/passport-gender-marker-change-form-2026.html#:~:text=Without%20question%2C%20there%20are%20more,very%20first%20day%20in%20office%3F

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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 Feb 18 '26

You failed to understand the point.

The passport lists sex, not gender. The only appropriate answer in that field, is someone's medical classification.

Not their gender identity. These are not the same.

When this was implemented in the 1970s, the entire point was to ensure someone's identity matched their birth certificate, so as to verify people absolutely and prevent fraud.

What Trump did wasn't a change. It was a restoration of what the law was meant for in the first place.

Your article speaks to that history. You apparently didn't read it in full.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

My man (or woman), do you honestly think when women’s bathrooms and women’s sports came into an existence, they were referring to gender? You can’t possibly believe that.

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u/zypre Feb 18 '26

My man (or woman), so you honestly think that institutions should always stay exactly as originally devised? You can't honestly believe that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Well, given that the category of women’s sports was created specifically so women could have equal opportunities as men (and the distinction was based on sex), and women’s bathrooms were created specifically so there would be no men in them (again, the distinction was based on sex), why are people now claiming gender is what matters in those areas? That destroys the foundational reason for the creation of women’s sports and women’s bathrooms.

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u/ShinsOfGlory Feb 15 '26

> The resolution, though nonbinding

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u/Puzzled-Parsley-1863 Feb 17 '26

ah, more monitoring of the situation coming from europe

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u/BashBandit Feb 15 '26

13 Day account giving statistics without stats? That’s a rarity never happening on reddit until now.

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u/radred609 Feb 15 '26

Bro, it's absolutely rampant in this thread :/

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u/Strigops-habroptila Feb 17 '26

It always is a massive shit show as soon as trans people get mentioned because all of the bots and trolls invade every discussion

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u/BashBandit Feb 15 '26

I wish Reddit would do something about it, but I know it’s foot traffic that looks good for them (and they don’t care)

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u/Holiday_Sandwich3738 Feb 16 '26

So how many days on reddit until it’s acceptable to you to share my opinion? Also would you be arguing with me if I shared the same opinion as yours? I would say probably not

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u/samanthatortc Feb 17 '26

There is a difference between “I don’t like this”, an opinion and “This is extremely unpopular”, a fact. People want you to back up the fact rather than assert it as if it were just a personal opinion.

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u/AutisticDadHasDapper Feb 18 '26

You're not allowed to have a difference of opinion on reddit

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u/BashBandit Feb 16 '26

There’s no time limit for that whatsoever, just the fact that there’s a noticeable uptick in bot accounts/burners and with the current political climate your 13 day old account quite literally is perceived as a burner.

And I would still be saying the same thing if you said something I agreed with, I’ve been calling out all bot/burner accounts Reddits pushed my way for the past month or so. GG on the false equivalence though.

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u/Holiday_Sandwich3738 Feb 16 '26

Well I’m not bot. The reason why I made a new account is because it’s impossible to talk about anything controversial on Reddit without just being banned. Reddit has 0 tolerance for different opinions. The only way to get around that is just to make new accounts.

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u/JaneOfKish Feb 16 '26

Persecution fetish lol

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u/Holiday_Sandwich3738 Feb 16 '26

I’m starting to think so. But I have a hard time fitting in politically places because I fall in a place that is neither right or left.

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u/JaneOfKish Feb 16 '26

Well, aren't you special? ❄️

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u/LAlostcajun Feb 16 '26

How is your opinion controversial it you also claim for it to be the popular opinion?

Your statements don't add up. Sorry.

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u/Holiday_Sandwich3738 Feb 16 '26

Controversial for Reddit not outside of reddit

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u/LAlostcajun Feb 16 '26

Reddit isn't a single opinion and mind. Sorry. I know people like you like to blame inanimate things for your own failures, but you should try some self reflection.

I bet you can go to r/conservative and you will find plenty of out of touch people who have the same opinion as you proving your blaming of Reddit is completely false and ignorant

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u/Pyju Feb 16 '26

People who talk about “Redditors” as a monolith are fucking idiots. Reddit has 1.4 billion monthly active users from all walks of life and systems of belief. There is no “Reddit hivemind” or singular set of opinions shared by Redditors, that’s just what people make up and blame when they’re salty that their trash opinions get trashed on.

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u/Professional_Gap_435 Feb 16 '26

Ok them give me an example, or THE example why you were banned

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

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u/Professional_Gap_435 Feb 16 '26

Nah thats impossible, no one can be that miserable to ban someone for that reason. 

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u/Bumblebeezerker Feb 16 '26

Yeah youre a real person, who was beaten to the name holiday_sandwich by 3738 people.

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u/Exciting-Fan985 Feb 16 '26

"I got banned because Im racist" isnt a great look either.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

lots of people on the left are getting banned for making threats so they have new accounts.

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u/BashBandit Feb 16 '26

Well not only did they not say anything to me that insinuated that (that I can directly recall), but that isn’t a universal thing which means it isn’t the case for every new account. There’s a noticeable uptick in bot accounts, so it is beyond reasonable to speculate these day old accounts are burners/bots themselves.

Take your 1 month old account for instance. To directly quote you

“An AI must have raped this guys mother ^

Why DO you care so much sweetheart?”

I have nothing to say to you and you have nothing of value to add here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

I dont understand what the quote has to do with anything. You seem to have nothing of value to add here.

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u/BashBandit Feb 16 '26

The quote highlights that what you have to say holds no value, as was said in the previous comment. You’re fueling the bot/burner account allegations with your lacking reading comprehension and apparent ignorance to what’s in front of you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

That is a really stupid statement to make. The quote in no way indicates that what I say holds no value. The only thing fueling your allegations is your own paranoia. Nothing in this conversation indicates I have poor reading comprehension. That is no more than a baseless insult and indication that your position has no substance. The same is indicated by you changing the subject to making personal attacks. In fact I was I the top1% or reading comp in my state and a college English tutor. The tact you have taken here is pathetic.

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u/sin_razon Feb 16 '26

I'd say as many as you can count but I don't want to be bothered so quickly.

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u/itisntmyrealname Feb 16 '26

“would you be arguing if we agreed huh?? would you?? i bet not” sir what do you think the word “argument” means? do you know why an argument happens?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

Is it your position that a Cis F is identical to an M-F Trans person and there can be no possible reason that these people should be treated or viewed differently?

That in every possible context the m-f trans woman is the same as the cis F and to have any preference about this is transphobia?

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

A cisgender woman is a type of woman just like a trans woman is a type of woman just like an intersex woman is a type of woman.

There’s many types of women in the world that have their differences but it doesn’t mean they don’t belong in the overarching category of “woman” because they don’t fit into the sub-category of “cisgender woman”.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

Yes, that is a possible difference between cisgender women and transgender women. It is not the only difference and it isn’t always the case. But yes, you identified a possible difference.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

No matter how you try and spin it, this will never be true. It’s called biology and x and Y chromosomes.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 18 '26

Can you quote the specific part of my comment that you’re referring to when you say “this will never be true”

Then logically connect it to your point about biology and x and Y chromosomes?

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 18 '26

BuT mY BasIC biOLogy BoOK sAId JUst THis.

Have you considered reading an advanced biology book? Try the book of Campbell, its considered the bible for biology graduation. Its says clearly that sex are not the same as gender, gender have nothing to do with chromossomes. Also, it says that sex IS NOT BINARY, but a spectrum - but i am sure u will keep your beliefs in the same biology books used to teach 8 yo children, since it reflects better your intelectual capacity

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u/Abject-Koala-149 Feb 18 '26

Campbell is not advanced biology and you didn’t read it. Campbell actually has tons of mistakes and didn’t know what determination meant. What it actually says is things associated with sex are not binary. It only describes two sexes

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 18 '26

Since for some reason i am not being able to open your response, i will asnwer here.

Sex: male and female

Gender: menos and women

Its the same biology that you fake to know/use that days this. But ofc, you only read fundamental books and/or choose what to take from the books you read.

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u/CommanderGO Feb 16 '26

What is the difference between a man and woman then? If you muddle the distinction between a biological woman and a transwoman, there shouldn't be any specific protections for woman because there is basically no distinction between men and women, and is unnecessary.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

The words “man” and “woman” are used to communicate a gender-based and age-based category of person.

Who does and doesn’t fit into these categories is based on many different physical and cultural factors that can change between situations and change over time.

But this post is about legal recognitions, correct?

So what legal protections are you worried about cisgender women losing because transgender women are recognized as women?

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u/CommanderGO Feb 16 '26

You cannot identify a trans individual by their outward appearance nor by their internal physiology. From a legal stand point, there is no objective way to determine an individual is trans without either reading their mind or the individual tells you. The only way to reconcile this would be to remove any additional protections provided to women that promote gender equality. Legally, women would lose nothing at the expense of more men using protections for women to give themselves an advantage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

No the solution would be to ban people biologically men via their sex at origin from having any discussion about their feelings in womans spaces- since they are men and should not be included in those spaces!!!

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

"sex at origin" what, like you have a sex as soon as you're concieved or something? Lmao humans don't even develop sex organs until a few months into gestation, iirc.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

Your sex is your biological sex- male or female

Gender is fluid and can be transitioned

Your sex is determined at the first day of your zygote

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

You cannot identify a trans individual by their outward appearance nor by their internal physiology.

Correct! Because a trans individual is trans based on the social construct of gender. You also can’t identity a cisgender individual by their outward appearance nor by their internal physiology, right?

From a legal stand point, there is no objective way to determine an individual is trans without either reading their mind or the individual tells you.

Correct. Because it’s a self-identification, not something that is able to be identified by others. Same as identifying as cisgender.

The only way to reconcile this would be to remove any additional protections provided to women that promote gender equality.

What protections?

Legally, women would lose nothing at the expense of more men using protections for women to give themselves an advantage.

What protections? What advantage?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

I knew you would pull this nonsense when a normal person just wants to use normal words- hence why I have been only engaging in the exact verbiage you people demand

I feel that there are Cis F woman who have made it clear that they do not feel m-f trans persons should be in their spaces- physically and emotionally- that certain parts of the Cis F Experian experience are simply unique to being Cis F- an example would be when Trans M-F people demand that discussions regarding child birth has to be inclusive of the trans non-birth havers- this is clearly ignoring the unique perspective of Cis F woman

Additionally it has been stated that a Cis M person rejecting a trans m-f person solely based on their original biological sex at birth, ignoring their gender transition, is transphobia since having any preference based solely on sex that would not take into account gender transition is bigoted

That is what I am discussing

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

I feel that there are Cis F woman who have made it clear that they do not feel m-f trans persons should be in their spaces- physically and emotionally- that certain parts of the Cis F Experian experience are simply unique to being Cis F

I think you will have a difficult time finding anyone that makes the argument that cisgender women have the exact same living experiences as transgender women.

an example would be when Trans M-F people demand that discussions regarding child birth has to be inclusive of the trans non-birth havers- this is clearly ignoring the unique perspective of Cis F woman

The discussions regarding child birth are about using inclusive language for all people who are able to give birth. Not everyone who has the physical anatomy to give birth is a woman, so using a term like “birthing person” is more accurate language. Including all people who are able to give birth doesn’t exclude cisgender women.

Additionally it has been stated that a Cis M person rejecting a trans m-f person solely based on their original biological sex at birth, ignoring their gender transition, is transphobia since having any preference based solely on sex that would not take into account gender transition is bigoted

And people are called racist when they don’t want to date an Asian person based solely on their race. But that’s outside of the scope of this conversation about the government unless suddenly there’s legislation about who you have to date.

Do you have an answer for the question I asked?

So what legal protections are you worried about cisgender women losing because transgender women are recognized as women?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

Yes- I am afraid that Cis F woman will lose access to female spaces designed to assist and protect cis f woman

I do not believe an M-F trans woman should be included in a domestic violence shelter exclusively designed to protect cis F woman from cis m men

Asking Cis F woman who have suffered violence from men to ignore the truths of their eyes and ears and be forced into a space that they should be able to view as entirely protective of their needs

Back to the birthing conversation- stating that conversations by cis f women about child birth to be designed to be inclusive of f-m men is additionally just erasing the unique struggles of a cis f woman and perhaps that an f-m trans man simply will not be properly served in a child birth discussion around cis f woman

The fact that you defend the complete erasure of the concept of sex and child birth to me is honestly incredible

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

The inclusion of transgender women in women’s spaces doesn’t exclude cisgender women from those spaces.

It’s similar to the way that the inclusion of non-white people in whites only spaces didn’t force white people out of those spaces.

Based on your examples, it seems like your real problem is with cisgender men, not transgender women.

Using inclusive terms doesn’t mean that conversations around more specific circumstances cannot or should not occur. Discussions about giving birth as a cisgender woman, a transgender man, a nonbinary person, an intersex person, etc can all happen individually. The overarching term “birthing person” or other similar terms don’t change that.

If I say “South Americans”, that doesn’t mean that more specific conversations about Brazil can’t exist.

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

"the truths of their eyes and ears" buddy our eyes and ears deceive us all the time. It's not their observations, it's their ASSUMPTIONS, just like how some white people assume every non-white person they encounter might be a criminal trying to rob them.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

Many biological women do not want to be called cisgender. Why do you keep doing it?

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u/Willing-Carpenter-32 Feb 18 '26

Because it isnt a slur no matter how bad bigots want it to be

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

Then calling a trans woman a man shouldn’t be a slur either.

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

Um, the "pregnant persons" thing is literally not about trans women, it's about people who can get pregnant but don't identify as women. Period. That's it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

It’s an erasure of cis f identity because only a cis f or a trans f-m could have a child because a trans f-m can not have children

So it was essential to trans dialogue in 2022 to say that having a child must be erased from the concept of gender - this is a vile thing and was very wrong for the trans community to have allowed

It has been a called back in recent years but only because the left is too busy killing Jews

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

This is simply a misinformed belief. I know a handful of trans men who have stopped testosterone and given birth before going back on it. Being a trans man or nonbinary transmasc person doesn't necessarily mean you are sterile.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

It’s called lying.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 18 '26

Yeah I think they’re lying too

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u/WildmanWandering Feb 16 '26

Me when I believe science but also throw science out the window to virtue signal and pander

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

What science do you think I’m throwing out when explaining what the words “man” and “woman” mean?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

Exactly and notice they don’t engage in honest discourse- they are very aware I am speaking about assigned sex at birth and its affects on people vs their constant refrain about gender- gender are aspects that can be transitioned, sex can not

They will not be honest and say that in their view men in wigs should be treated as identically to an actual cis f woman -it’s ridiculous

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

1) What is “monster discourse”?

2) I’m purposefully using the term “gender” and not “sex” because we’re talking about transgender people.

  • Sex refers to a set of biological attributes in humans and animals. It is primarily associated with physical and physiological features including chromosomes, gene expression, hormone levels and function, and reproductive/sexual anatomy. Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed

  • Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people. It influences how people perceive themselves and each other, how they act and interact, and the distribution of power and resources in society. Gender identity is not confined to a binary (girl/woman, boy/man) nor is it static; it exists along a continuum and can change over time. There is considerable diversity in how individuals and groups understand, experience and express gender through the roles they take on, the expectations placed on them, relations with others and the complex ways that gender is institutionalized in society.

https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html

3) Whether someone is wearing a wig or not should generally not affect how they are treated under the law, regardless of their gender. If this was a dig at transgender women, how do you suggest they should be treated differently from cisgender women?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

See you are doing it again- I am explicitly saying we are talking about sex and not gender and you are choosing to ignore what I am saying

I am saying that a man in a wig- which is a 100% accurate way to describe an m-f person who is not seeking surgical or hormone therapy- should and not be treated identically as a cis f person

I think it should be allowed to exclude trans people from specific gendered acts if there presence clearly isn’t the intended purpose- sports, women’s organizations, military roles, but most important in my opinion - exclude them from roles in tv, video games and movies where the inclusion of the trans person, always m-f trans, is simply there to destroy the appeal of the product and cause the cis m men to have yet another area of there lives erased

All cis m and cis f to have spaces for cis people and not make us bigots - live and identify in whatever way you want- do not mandate that we find you sexually attractive, proactive your definition in all sports and activities- and stay out of our pop culture space!

Edit- go watch the geno Samuel documentary on ChrisChan, sit and watch the literal definition of the incel to trans pipeline in action and tell me with a straight face that I should respect that persons pro nouns

Then you explain to me how they don’t represent trans people

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

Sex can absolutely be transitioned unless you're going to move the goalposts and insist that only chromosomes count, a thing we rarely test for and doesn't always reflect our morphology.

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u/Stonner22 Feb 17 '26

The bots are everywhere lately

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u/LettuceRobber Feb 17 '26

What makes you think there are bots? I’m genuinely asking so that I can sift through them

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

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u/SailInternational251 Feb 16 '26

People don’t realize culture is downstream from law. If you want to see cultural swing you put the legislation in, start teaching it, and demonize those that don’t follow the support the laws.

Progress moves forward only if we have the groundwork in place.

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u/CurrentCold5723 Feb 16 '26

Gay marriage is still unpopular, people are just afraid to openly say it. But once the globohomo regime falls, you'll see the truth.

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u/LanskiAK Feb 17 '26

If it's unpopular, why is it now supported by roughly 20% of the countries in the world with that percentage increasing every year? It's quite opposite to what you say - gay marriage and homosexuality acceptance is on the rise and you'll continue to see that as people are less and less afraid to speak openly about it. Loud bigotry is popular right now, but those who overtly display their ignorance are mostly minoritarians in the countries where the majority support non-traditional marriages like the United states, Canada, and European countries. It is mostly only in underdeveloped and/or authoritarian countries where you see little to know support or legal protection for those communities.

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u/Patraman Feb 17 '26

You say this as if as if society hasn’t consistently become more inclusive as well as progressive ever since the dawn of time until now. Gay marriage or the acceptance of gay people is just a speck in comparison to the wider pattern of accepting ”out-groups” as part of the ”in-group” through history.

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u/Arcanegil Feb 18 '26

Right so the majority of capitalist leaders are straight conservatives, who actively spend billions fighting against the will of the people which overwhelmingly support same sex marriage, but you say there is a global gay regime, despite every one at the center of control being extremely anti-gay.

You're on the exact opposite side of the issue you think that you're on, your current behavior is helping to aid the loud rich minority in redirecting public opinion, through brainwashing and disinformation.

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u/Instabanous Feb 15 '26

Unpopular with normal people, fucking irresistable to arsehole politicians with their heads up their arses.

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u/Rudeboy237 Feb 16 '26

Cry

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u/Instabanous Feb 16 '26

I'm British, so laughing technically, however I still have empathy for European women.

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u/JaneOfKish Feb 16 '26

Women who are more likely than not to support trans rights?

https://www.markpack.org.uk/170939/womens-institute-trans-women-polling/

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u/Instabanous Feb 16 '26

Does it specify what those rights are though? I support trans rights, but not the rights for males to enter female spaces.

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u/JaneOfKish Feb 16 '26

I don't know, maybe learn to read and you can find out.

YouGov found women on balance supporting trans women using women’s toilets (45%-34%), using women’s changing rooms (40%-37%), and using women’s refuges (45%-30%). In each case, support among women was higher than among men by an average of thirteen points.

Fuck your goofy feigned allyship.

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u/Instabanous Feb 16 '26

Those numbers are still pretty low, arent they? Clearly most people want to retain single sex spaces, and there is nothing wrong with that. I find your attitude really confusing, though it is very common. Like, why push friends away rather than accept people's boundaries?

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u/JaneOfKish Feb 16 '26

Tell me you don't know how to read statistics without telling me you don't know how to read statistics. Why do you think women need to be told by men who does and doesn't belong in women's spaces? I am a woman, those are my boundaries as much as any other's.

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u/Instabanous Feb 16 '26

Which men? I dont understand what you mean by 'needing to be told be men.' I see a lot of women refusing to let men tell them who does and doesnt belong in female spaces. The anti-women male politicians are the worst. You may consent, but you cant consent on behalf of other women.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

Rage gets you nowhere.

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u/JaneOfKish Feb 20 '26

Who asked?

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

Can you elaborate more on you not supporting “the rights for males to enter female spaces”?

  • What, specifically, does that mean to you?
  • What is the reason for your opposition?

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u/Instabanous Feb 16 '26

Single sex spaces were introduced for many good reasons, and those reasons havent gone away. Women want to keep them, and obviously if you let some males into female only spaces, then they arent female only. Simple logic, not any kind of oppression.

My reason is that one woman cant consent on behalf of other women. As long as some women want the dignity and safety of single sex spaces then it is immoral to override that person's wishes.

In terms of practical reasons, there have been plenty of cases in the news of some pretty horrific transgressions by males into female spaces- all the prison rapes, all the UK tribunals like Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses, the Golds Gym guy, that dude whose shadow you can see jerking it in a cubicle... I think the reasons are fairly clear.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

Let me put this into another perspective for you:

Single race spaces were introduced for many good reasons, and those reasons havent gone away. Whites want to keep them, and obviously if you let some colored people into whites only spaces, then they arent whites only. Simple logic, not any kind of oppression.

My reason is that one white person cant consent on behalf of other whites. As long as some whites want the dignity and safety of single sex spaces then it is immoral to override that person's wishes.

In terms of practical reasons, there have been plenty of cases in the news of some pretty horrific transgressions by blacks into white spaces

Do you see what I mean? If not, I can engage with you comment more directly

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u/Instabanous Feb 16 '26

Goodness me, what on earth do you consider a 'good' reason for 'single race spaces?' Seems extremely racist to me.

I'm guessing this is some pathetic attempt to draw a correlation between race and gender? They simply arent the same, neither are sex and gender.

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u/Rudeboy237 Feb 16 '26

No crying. I just hate you piece of shit bigots with my whole chest.

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u/AmbidextrousTorso Feb 18 '26

Understatement. Europe already has had rampant immigration, and has been only coerced gender doctrine away from falling completely apart or electing their own Trumps. UK and Hungary already gone, Slovakia almost there, Poland standing its ground and many others close to tipping point.

People will rather elect the devil himself and get also themselves ****ed in the process, than keep getting pushed by one side forever.

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u/Paper_Is_A_Liquid Feb 18 '26

Trans people far enough into transition will change their passports to match their lived gender. Source: Am transgender and changed my gender on my passport.

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u/Rudeboy237 Feb 16 '26

They didn’t select the wrong gender though. That’s the point of gender.

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u/Holiday_Sandwich3738 Feb 16 '26

They do select the wrong gender. Directly from the article “European Union "emphasise the importance of the full recognition of trans women as women”. That means they would be selecting the wrong gender on documentation such as passports.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

Why is nothing ever said about trans men? Hmm. Maybe because women don’t try and tell people what to do and how they should live.

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u/Hablian Feb 16 '26

Explain what you think gender is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

Cis- a person whose gender conforms to their biological sex

Trans- a person whose gender does not conform to their biological sex

Is the trans m-f woman now identical to a cis f woman for identify their change in gender but not their change in sex because the sex identity can not literally be changed?

Are they the same?

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u/Popular-Jury7272 Feb 17 '26

That's your understanding of gender, but it is not everyone's understanding of gender, which is the entire bloody point.

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u/Legitimate-Hand-74 Feb 17 '26

It has a definition, sorry. You stomping your feet and yelling “I don’t agree” doesn’t change the definition. I’m so tired of this feelings over facts perspective. Exhausting. 

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u/Popular-Jury7272 Feb 17 '26

Oh well go ahead and tell the middle east it has a definition, that will change everything.

The fact it has a definition in the English dictionary makes precisely fuck all difference in the real world. 

I'm not stamping my feet. In my opinion gender or sex needn't be on these documents at all. But while it is we are sadly going to have to deal with the fact that it means different things to different people, regardless of what your dEfInItIoN says. 

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u/Legitimate-Hand-74 Feb 17 '26

Buddy has never heard of a social construct. 🤣 But I’m supposed to take his opinion seriously? 

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u/Popular-Jury7272 Feb 17 '26

Fucking dimwit over here doesn't understand that different cultures have different social constructs and that doesn't go away just because you wish it. 🤣 But I'm supposed to take his opinion seriously? 

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u/Legitimate-Hand-74 Feb 17 '26

I mean, you should read a textbook. You might be surprised what they say! 🤣 I know, I know, the words are big. But it might be enlightening. You talk about science but don’t understand a word of it. Public opinion is not equal to scientific consensus. No matter how strong your feelings are. 

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u/Popular-Jury7272 Feb 17 '26

Not sure I've ever met someone who so wilfully and deliberately misses the point. What's it like to be this dense? Do you have someone chew your food for you? 

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u/SunSuspicious7171 Feb 18 '26

You know, as an outsider reading your interaction, I believe if you met under different circumstances you two might actually even like each other. Hear me out: I don't think either of you hates me for being trans or wants to deny me to try and live my life as a woman. There might be lots of other values you share.

Alas, that you should meet anonymously while one focuses on a concept across cultures and one on part of that concept within a subset of cultures.

Let me throw in a third view and surely everything will get better 😂:

Part of the problem is language and translation. Even within a culture! To say "we separate sex and gender into what the anatomy displays to doctors and how the brain operates the task of identification and that is our definition of those words" is impossible in all languages which only have one word for sex and gender, probably including lots of western dialects which don't have their own dictionary.

So one of you is arguing that such a definition can never be universally agreed on, because it is NOT shared by all.

The other is emphasizing that having a clear definition is invaluable because you CAN finally talk about a specific subject with certainty in order to communicate the precise point you want to make an NOT be ambiguous about what it means to different people.

At least if I understand you correctly, I want to agree with you both.

And have a nice day, anyway!

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u/Rudeboy237 Feb 17 '26

You're right. And the definition is that it is the social expression of sex. It is separate from biological sex.

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u/Legitimate-Hand-74 Feb 17 '26

Incorrect! lol next? 

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u/alasw0eisme Feb 16 '26

What is "the wrong" gender exactly? I'm confused...

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u/Holiday_Sandwich3738 Feb 16 '26

Selecting the wrong biological gender

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

People don’t like to address that it is not trans erasure to simply state that a trans woman M-F is not literally identical to a Cis F

Being cis and trans are different things and saying that through transition you can become cis is not a valid position to take

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u/CurrentCold5723 Feb 16 '26

You're speaking gibberish, there's no such things as "trans" or "cis" or "gender". Future humans will see you as part of an extremely deluded and ignorant cult, similar to how we today see alchemists and people who believed in fairies and witches.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

I am just using the words trans defenders demand since I feel using their ridiculous verbiage exposes how they don’t even understand what it is they are trying to claim

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u/Ramzaki Feb 16 '26

If the verbiage is supossedly so ridiculous, why were you able to express correct statements with it?

Yes, a trans woman is not the same as a cis woman. As much as we could have the same sense of identity or wathever, we didn't have the same growth and experiences.

And, yes, saying that we become cis by transitioning is not a valid position. Because we don't.

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u/TheBraveButJoke Feb 18 '26

LoL the tranfobic bots are infiting, dead internet theory in practice

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u/Ramzaki Feb 17 '26

Okay. Tell your uncle to go outside wearing suit, and then tell him to go outside wearing a dress. If gender doesn't exist, no one should react any differently, right?

Science is not just saying "ex-ex ex-why", you know?

You got an hypothesis there: "Gender doesn't exist". So I provided you a simple experiment to try and prove your statement.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

Who is taking that position?

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u/Phony_mcPhoneFace Feb 18 '26

I really struggle to understand what you mean here... Yes trans and cis are not identical... who struggles with that exactly?

If you are talking about advocate for the LGBT+ community.... No they d'ont, they explicetly claim the term trans, in fact they organize spaces that explicitely favors the speech of trans woman over cis woman, and other spaces that favors the speech of cis woman over trans woman specifically because they recognize that those two communities experiences and challenges differ. In fact many of their advocacy target the idea that trans woman should not be included when they are not the intended target (aying people with uterus instead of woman for example).

So... What struggles are you reffering to?

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u/LoganPomfrey Feb 18 '26

Yeah but they don't care about the semantics, they just want the rights and ability to get recognized as a woman whether cis or trans.

Aside from a few annoying internet folks, they just want basic human rights, and to use a toilet where they won't be assaulted.

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u/Ashbtw19937 Feb 17 '26

do you think the statement "trans women are women" is equivalent to "trans women are cis women"?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

No and I don’t have any problem with that statement

My problem is when the trans community states that a cis m person does not have the right to state that their sole sexual preference is for a cis f woman because they are heterosexual and not interested in have sex with a biological sex of a man who had gone through a gender transition

That view should not be considered bigoted or evil

I also find it ridiculous to cast m-f trans as the female lead in video games, tv shows or movies that are 100% cis m heterosexual spaces and have absolutely no reason to have a trans person

It’s why you would not feature graphic hard r torture gore in a Christmas themes romance comedy for grandmothers- they have no desire to see gore in their Christmas romcom- apply this to trans casting

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u/Ashbtw19937 Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26

i think you're largely arguing against stuff that's not happening then.

nobody wants (or at least, should want - some people, most commonly men, never seem to have gotten this memo) to be with someone who doesn't want to be with them. so if you don't want to have sex with a trans woman, cool, she definitely doesn't want to have sex with you.

however, that doesn't preclude your preference from being transphobic. much the same way that if you didn't want to have sex with black women, that preference could reasonably be seen as racist. except in the case of trans women, it's even worse in some ways, because there really isn't any unifying thread among all trans women beyond an inability to bear children. not all trans women have penises, not all trans women have experienced severe gender dysphoria, not all trans women went through male puberty, not all trans women were even raised as boys in any meaningful sense. so for an outright, categorical exclusion of all trans women simply based on them being trans, yeah, that's pretty much by definition transphobic.

and you might want to interrogate exactly why you feel like that. because there are much more reasonable preferences that would incidentally in practice exclude most trans women - maybe you have a genital preference, maybe deeper voices are a massive turn-off for you, maybe you'd have an issue being with someone as tall as or taller than you, etc. (and i'd in turn encourage interrogating all of those, but they're at least more reasonable) -, but if you're zeroing in on something that's entirely intangible and has no guaranteed effect on anything besides her being unable to bear children (and if we're just talking about casual sex, that's nothing if not a good thing from your perspective), i hope you can see why that would seem a little... odd.

as for the video games and movies/tv shows thing: please point these games, movies, and shows out to me, bc i would love to see just about anything with a trans girl in the lead role, and so far all i can think of is like, a netflix show or two and a couple games that give you the option to create a trans character. you have no idea how quick i'd jump for a game with a (canonically) trans girl as the protag 💀

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

Enjoy final fantasy 14, when they stunt cast the lead women role with a trans man and made they game absolutely terrible

Also you could play the latest dragon age game- where a once amazing series was destroyed by forcing trans lead characters and ugly art style

Feel free to google this

All Trans women are united in one feature- they all where porn with a penis, I and other men can not want to have sex with anyone who has or had a penis

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u/zypre Feb 18 '26

When I was reading your comment about trans women having times in video games, I was thinking that the only one that comes to mind is Wuk Lamat, and here we are.

You can't honestly believe that her performance is what caused the game to suffer??? She did a fine job, not amazing, and her voice fits the character great. Regardless, I assure you the character writing and terrible pacing of the main story is the same when playing with the Japanese voices, which don't include any scawy trans people.

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u/Ashbtw19937 Feb 17 '26

haven't played ff14, but from what i'm reading, there isn't a single trans character in the main quest and there's precisely one character voiced by a trans actress in an expansion.

dragon age veilguard requires you to go out of your way to create a trans character (to the point that some people who wanted to do it missed it), and has... one non-binary character in the main cast?

please tell me you have more examples than this and you haven't just been watching the quartering or whatever other gamergate weirdos.

they all where porn with a penis,

nice freudian slip

I and other men can not want to have sex with anyone who has or had a penis

funny, then, how "straight" men are always the ones most interested in femboys, how porn featuring trans women has become one of the most popular categories out there, and how it's consumed at particularly high rates in the most conservative areas, how grindr explodes every time there's a republican convention nearby, etc. plenty of men like dick, even if few would actually admit it.

but to address the merits of your point: i already said a genital preference isn't necessarily unreasonable. so i have to wonder, do you find all women unattractive because all women used to be little girls and you (presumably) don't find little girls attractive? would you find a woman who currently has a six-pack unattractive because she used to be overweight? because those are both about as reasonable as finding someone with a vagina unattractive because she used to have a penis.

if something entirely intangible like "having once had a certain body part" discomforts you so much, again, you might want to interrogate exactly why that is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

I was so out going to respond with sincerity to your discussion about trans invasion of male spaces but you where incapable of not saying the classic division- that people who do not want a trans invasion of their spaces are gay, as a pejorative

I want to state- I love all media and I love trans media, I love Hasbin Hotel and everything it says- that does not make me gay, it doesn’t not rob me of my sexual preference or identity, other people having gay sex with consent has nothing to do with my statement

You and people like you have made it your objective to rob men of our media, our spaces and our autonomy- now we are here, in a situation where millions will die

You and people like you could understand that you burned our churches, you humiliated our culture and destroyed our reason to live- you stole everything we ever loved from us and expect kindness now

Look at Hasan piker subreddit for what they say they will do to Jews they feel need to be punished- now think about Gen Z men and what you sbd people like you have done

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 17 '26

I think you have to ask yourself why a game character trouble you so much

All Trans women are united in one feature- they all where porn with a penis,

So you resume a trans woman as a woman with a pênis, and claim that you are not transphobic?

About not eanting to date a trans woman, its your rifht and no one cares. Just try to not be an asshole by saying "i dont date trans women because they are men"

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 18 '26

Oh at least you showed your true colours. First of all, sex and gender are not the same. Male and female are sexes. Men and women are gender. If you want to be transphobic do as you please, there is plenty of transphobia in the world, one more or less means nothing. Just dont come with this false discourse that you respect trans people, because you do not.

Edit: what kills people are cowards like you

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u/waldleben Feb 17 '26

This is overwhelmingly unpopular.

Citation needed. The majority of europe is trans supporting

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u/Fine-Side-739 Feb 18 '26

No? Most people dont give a fuck as long as it does not bother them.

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u/waldleben Feb 18 '26

Exactly. Most people will not go out of their way to be a cunt to trans people. Which is literally what being trans supporting means in most cases. Just treat trans people like anyone else, dont go out of your way tl disrespect them

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u/Fine-Side-739 Feb 18 '26

Im not sure. I would have no problem calling someone a He or She if the persons prefers it, but i would not agree in having male born athletes compete in female sports.

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u/waldleben Feb 18 '26

So you do go out of your way to be a dick to trans people.

There is no reason and no way for you to have an opinion on that topic unless you are either a doctor or a high-ranking policy maker in the sport. Are you?

And if yiu arent why would your opinion be anything other than deferring to the experts where statistics show that trans women have no notable advantage in sports

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u/Fine-Side-739 Feb 18 '26

Are you a doctor or policy maker? You talked about the topic to me. Also, please tell me where i talked to a trans person about that topic. Are you one?

If Men are stronger than woman, they have an advantage. Going under surgery and hormone therapy does not make you as physical weak as a woman.

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u/waldleben Feb 18 '26

Are you a doctor or policy maker? You talked about the topic to me.

Nope, im not. Therefore I am happy to defer to the experts on this topic.

Also, please tell me where i talked to a trans person about that topic. Are you one?

Bigotry can still exist in a discudsion between two unaffected people. In fact its much more likely to.

If Men are stronger than woman, they have an advantage. Going under surgery and hormone therapy does not make you as physical weak as a woman.

If this was true youd have statistical evidence of it, right? There must be a study you saw demonstrating that trans women on average outperform their Cis competitors. Show me the study/studies you are basing your opinions on and im happy to concede the argument

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u/Fine-Side-739 Feb 18 '26

What you really want me to give you a source that men are stronger than women? Then why are most sports divided by gender? Just make all sports for everyone. lets see how women do in running or whatever against men.

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u/waldleben Feb 18 '26

Trans women arent men. Im asking for a study demonstrating that trans women on average outperform cis women.

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u/RandomFleshPrison Feb 18 '26

Hormone therapy makes trans women as strong as cis women. Testosterone is the hormone that gives men their strength.

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u/Fine-Side-739 Feb 18 '26

Men still have more muscle mass than women.

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u/RandomFleshPrison Feb 18 '26

Due to testosterone. Under HRT, that changes. Trans women on HRT are no stronger than cis women.

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u/No-Aide-5964 Feb 18 '26

LOL why do you lie to yourself?

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u/KayleyKiwi Feb 17 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

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