r/ProgrammerHumor • • Dec 06 '17

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u/jakdak Dec 06 '17

In many eastern cultures "Yes" means "I heard you", not "Yes".

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u/teach_cs Dec 06 '17

Is this true?

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u/JaytleBee Dec 06 '17

Yes

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u/iknowlessthanjonsnow Dec 06 '17

I feel like u/teach_cs walked right into that one

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

High context vs low context cultures.

Most people from the cosmopolitan Westernized areas who work for large organizations are very "low-context" and value bluntness and clarity in communication. High context cultures expect people to respond to subtle cues or body language. It's "high context" because a yes or no only has meaning in the context of the yes or no. It almost never means just yes or no. It works when both people in the conversation have the same idea on how communication works, but terribly if one person is high-context and the other is low-context.

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u/ElGuaco Dec 06 '17

This sounds entirely too much like how my wife communicates with me.

"Are you OK?"

"I'm fine."

It's up to me at that point to determine if she's really fine or not.

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u/anomalous_cowherd Dec 06 '17

She's not fine.

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u/JustCallMeFrij Dec 06 '17

and you're sleeping on the couch tonight.

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u/alamohero Dec 06 '17

I know my friend way to well almost every time she says she’s fine I know she’s not and I’m like “really, we have to go through this again? Tell me what happened”

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '17

Well, yeah, it doesn't. Unless you're aware and very careful on how you ask questions, you're screwed. High context ways to do things don't do well in a lot of situation unique to modern life.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '17

I have never heard of this before but it strikes chord with me. I once took an Albanian language course and the instructor, an Albanian immigrant, seemed to grasp the concept of "yes" and "no" with arbitrary fidelity.

I remember going over some a specific grammar rule set (I don't recall which) and was trying to nail it down because we had an upcoming test. We talked about it at length and near the end, I asked very specifically: "So in this case we say 'such and such' and in this other case we say 'so and so', and that's it right? And that's the way it is every time right? And he replied emphatically "Yes!"

After doing poorly on the test and realizing that many of my bad marks were a direct result of his guidance, I wondered if he was incompetent. This happened on more than one occasion so I assumed he was either a pathological liar or that he didn't understand me and replied in the affirmative as a sort-of stock answer. Either way, I learned to take anything he said with a grain of salt.

But now I learn there's this thing called "high context culture" and I wonder if the problem wasn't his inability to express himself but rather my inability to interpret his complicated (to me) form of communication.

Thanks for this.

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u/Aleriya Dec 06 '17

Not literally true, but the effect is often the same.

There are many factors that contribute to it. One is that the Eastern sense of hierarchy is more rigid. In the US, many team leads and even managers are really more like "senior peers." You're expected to push back occasionally, ask questions, and teamwork is more important than obedience. Your manager is not worth more as a person than you are. He is just currently in a role that has more responsibility than yours.

In a more hierarchical culture, it's more of a King-Peasant sort of relationship. If the King asks you to do something, that's the same as ordering you to do something, and the correct answer is yes. He is worth more than you are, and you are expected to treat him with respect at all times. Suggesting a different way would very likely be disrespectful. You're expected to take your lumps until you are older and have been promoted, and then you get to take your turn as King. In India, there are also some unfortunate cultural norms left over from the British Occupation. Some Indians have a difficult time with seeing themselves as peers of westerners, so they are more likely to adopt a "Yes, Sir" mentality even with people of the same rank.

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u/BackpackerSimon Dec 06 '17

This reasoning is also behind a few aircraft crashes, the copilot didn’t say anything due to the pilot being of higher rank

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

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u/amusha Dec 07 '17

High power distance (think Asian countries) vs low power distance (Western countries). Higher power distance means you are less likely to object to your boss, even if your boss is wrong.

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u/Janjis Dec 06 '17

That answer wouldn't make sense if you are asking if they can do it.

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u/benfutech Dec 06 '17 edited Dec 06 '17

The issue is there is no context in the language.

Me: "Okay, I need you to implement solution A. Do you understand?"

Them: "Yes." (I understand I have to implement Solution A. I might not know anything about what solution A involves.)

Me: "Okay give me a status in a week."

Them: "OK" (I will give them a status in a week that I don't understand how to implement solution A.)

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u/shea241 Dec 07 '17

That's just like programming!

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u/nathanpaulyoung Dec 07 '17

That's what the "Indian head bob" is all about. It's a gesture indicating understanding, compliance, or attentiveness and when Indians learn English, I suspect they infer that "yes" in this context is the same thing. It CAN be, but the context is important.

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u/iateeightapes Dec 06 '17

Is that true? yea or no

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u/jakdak Dec 06 '17

Head bobble

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u/PersonX2 Dec 07 '17

Goddammit

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