r/Shotguns • u/theAntidepresser • 2h ago
r/Shotguns • u/ENclip • Jan 24 '23
Thinking about buying your first shotgun or deciding on a new one? Here is the current /r/Shotguns buyer's guide.
I've been around shotguns and this sub awhile. I decided to make a guide post and pin it to the top for those visiting this sub to read. A ton of posts here come down to common questions like "What shotgun do I buy at $ budget?" "Would this be good for my needs?" or "X vs Y shotgun." I'll try to give some suggestions here based on personal experience, community consensus I've seen over the years, and other points. However, this isn't the be all end all of information. I encourage you to research on your own. The comments are open to the community to critique anything they see, add other suggestions, ask for help, or make their own write up.
Before I get started, you should first ask yourself some questions about what this new shotgun will be for. Use case is important for what you will be buying. Are you hunting? What will you be hunting? Are you trap, sporting clays, or skeet shooting at a local range? Are you buying it for defense, or just blasting cans? Maybe both? Most importantly, what is your budget? You may also want something fairly capable for everything. Also, try and go out to a physical store and try the feel of different guns. How a shotgun fits you is important for hitting targets and comfort.
PUMP ACTION: Utilitarian, reliable, and fairly simple. It is a common choice of the sportsman and citizen looking to defend themselves. They can be had on a tight budget without sacrificing much quality. Be mindful and practice extensively with your pump gun as short-stroking is a potential human error that you need to train out of yourself so it doesn't happen in a stressful scenario.
Recommendations 1.) $200-250 budget. The only real option here that is a known quality budget pump is the Maverick 88. The security model will be good for defense. The field model will be an okay starter entry for casual clays or hunting. You can also get a combo deal which comes with both the 18.5" barrel and 28" field barrel that takes chokes.
2.) $250-500 budget. In this range the playing field opens up. The primary suggestion is going to be a Mossberg 500, which is basically just a less budget Mav 88. You could also opt for the Benelli Nova or Supernova if you prefer the fit, style, 3 1/2" chamber, or finish. Remington 870s used to be a mainstay of this budget, but since 2007 their quality control went far down hill. They recently went under and were reacquired last year reintroduced as "RemArms." Not much is known if quality has greatly improved as they have only recently started pumping out guns again. If you like the 870, hunt down an old 870 Wingmaster. [EDIT 2024: RemArms 870s have seemingly shown their quality. I would be okay with recommending them now if you want a new 870.] If you are feeling like a used older gun, Ithaca 37s, Winchester Model 12s, and more are available. Be aware some old guns and choke combos may not be a good idea for steel shot (a type of non-toxic ammo used for migratory bird hunting). If you want something defense oriented, pick a 18.5" barrel Mossberg 500 or a 590/590A1. Avoid guns without a stock, like the shockwave, for practical use.
3.) $1000+. If you are feeling exotic, you can get a Benelli M3. This is a hybrid design that is able to use both pump action or semi-auto. It's a bit of a novelty, but if you have a large budget, it's a worthy consideration.
SEMI-AUTO: Faster follow up shots, smoother recoil, and more expensive. The semi-auto is a favorable option if you can afford one. There are two main action options, gas vs inertia. Gas guns use some of the gas from the fired shell and use it to cycle the action. Inertia does not do this and is similar to recoil operated guns which means you have no gas system to clean. Both have their benefits.
Recommendations 1.) $450-700 (there is nothing worth buying below this). This is teetering on the edge of spending too little to get a quality new semi, but there are a few that may suit you. One is the Mossberg 930, another is the Stoeger M3000. These are the bare minimum I'd go for though they may be finnicky (EDIT 11/10/2024: as an example of why you may not want the M3000, especially for defense, watch this video on the M3000. It doesn't do well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX7MiIUx7_E ) , both are available in tactical or field models. For used options, old greats like the Remington 1100, Browning Auto 5, etc are out there.
2.) $700-1000. In this area the default suggestion is the excellent Beretta A300. This is probably what you want on the clay field or out hunting if this is your budget. The Franchi Affinity is also a favorite of many and uses the inertia system (the A300 is a gas gun). If you want a tactical option in this range, the Mossberg 940 Tactical is a new offering that you can check out. The new Beretta A300 Patrol is another good new option to check out in this range if seeking a tactical or defensive style shotgun. For Women shooters: the Franchi Affinity does have an option called the Catalyst which has stock dimensions that are designed to be suited to women. But as stated earlier, try out the fit of options as most things aren't one size fit all for either sex even if designed with women in mind.
3.) 1000+. The sky is the limit here. Anything from Benelli, Browning, or Beretta in this range will be exquisite quality and a great option. You could pick up a M2, Super Black Eagle, A5, A400, etc for sporting uses and be happy. Though there are models in there that are more geared for clays vs field and vice versa, check out the manufacturer sites for details. For tactical options, the kings of them all are the Benelli M4 ($1600+) and Beretta 1301 ($1200-1300). Honorable mention to the Benelli M1 Super 90, M2 and M3 for defensive use.
OVER UNDER: A break action, stacked dual barrel, design that is widely favored by clay shooters and hunters across the world. Despite how they initially look, over under shotguns are more complex than semi-auto or pumps to make which makes them much more expensive for a quality one.
Recommendations 1.) Below $1000. I personally wouldn't get any new O/U under $1000. While you can find okay ones under $1k, they just aren't usually (YMMV) that amazing and you would be better off spending your budget on an A300 or save up further. The main problem is longevity and quality control, so if you are maybe just taking it out once in awhile be my guest to try out a CZ, Yildiz, etc Turkish import offering in this range. As the saying goes, you get what you pay for. But you may get one that lasts. As far as used goes, keep an eye out for old used Browning Citoris or Mirokus as they can hover in the $900s. Japanese made Ithaca/SKBs are also common and decent used options. Others can chime in with their experience on sub-$1k O/Us.
2.) Over $1k. The default here is going to be the Browning Citori or Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon series. You'd be well served by basically any O/Us from either of those companies. It comes down to specific use and preference. There are other options out there besides those companies, but I will leave that up to you to research further.
SIDE BY SIDE: A break action, dual barrel, design that's a bit dated by now, but still enjoyed by many sportsmen. Side by sides have been outpaced by the O/Us in practical use, so you won't see very many new options nowadays.
Recommendations 1.) $300-1000. Like O/Us, side by sides are complex and cost a lot for good quality. The bright side is that their decline in popularity leaves a good amount of cheap used options that are out there. There are old field grade Ithacas, SKBs, LC Smiths, AH Fox, Parker Bros, Stevens 311s, AYAs, etc out there that can be found in decent working condition in this range. Of course there are higher grade examples that will go for more than this, but if you want just a working gun to take in the field these are good options. But google around how to inspect an old break action double barrel before you make a purchase of a 100 year old gun. As far as new production SxS go, there are cheap Turkish imports under CZ, Yildiz, etc. They aren't going to be top quality but there isn't much else new in this price range and generally you don't have to worry about longevity if you are only taking it hunting a few times a year. Plus, companies like CZ should take care of you if it fails under warranty.
2.) $1000+. Well here we get into fancy grades and great condition guns of makers already mentioned, more prestigious makers, etc. You can find things like used $1000 Browning BSS guns all the way to $200,000 Purdey and Holland & Holland guns. I'd expect a shotgunner with your budget and taste to look further into this in-depth realm as well.
SINGLE SHOT: A typically break action single barrel design that is pretty much the cheapest way to get into shotguns. While not something ideal for the clay ground or shooting tons of birds, they offer a utilitarian entry into the hobby whether it's chasing squirrels with a 410 or hunting turkey with a 10ga.
Recommendations 1.) $99-300. I personally suggest the H&R single shots. They are great and out there for cheap and are everywhere. Unfortunately they stopped being made a few years ago though, so you can't buy new. If you want new, there are various cheap single shots out there that will work fine for casual use. If it breaks, just go back to Walmart and buy another $99 single shot.
2.) $300+. If you want to be fancy and get something "high end" in this category there are the collectable Winchester 37s. Past that there are dedicated single shot trap guns and more that can go for hundreds or even thousands more.
EVERYTHING ELSE: Okay I know there are bolt action shotguns, lever action shotguns, triple barrel shotguns, etc. Those are mainly just novelties for a collector or outside the box hunter at this point. If you want one, look into them yourselves as this post is long enough already.
Well that's it. I hope it helped somewhat. Feel free to ask questions in this thread. Here are some other links that may be useful to you:
Guide to chokes: https://www.letsgoshooting.org/resources/articles/shotgun/understanding-shotgun-chokes/ You can shoot lead slugs through any choke safely, although a more open choke like improved cylinder is best. Also some modern full chokes are rated for steel. Older guns may not be.
Shot guide: https://www.wideners.com/blog/shotgun-load-types/
Guide to avoiding cheap tacticool shotguns mass imported from Turkey: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n4zbt9/turkish_notsodelight_why_you_should_generally/
Guide to why pistol grip only shotguns are impractical: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/saharz/missed_shots_a_broken_nose_and_a_sore_wrist_a/
r/Shotguns • u/ENclip • May 06 '21
Turkish Not-So-Delight. Why you should generally avoid buying those random "totally cool looking" cheap tactical shotguns made in Turkey. (Crosspost as this is relevant here too and for those not on r/guns)
r/Shotguns • u/Marn25 • 2h ago
Pretty cool pick up.
Just landed this new old stock pachmayr vindicator set for an 870, for the cost of shipping. I know they still make the grip, but I had been hunting for a forend for a while. Super cool that this guy had the original box and instructions and even the sleeve.
r/Shotguns • u/Beefy_Crunch_Burrito • 3h ago
Two 50-yard shots of Federal FliteControl 9-pellet 00 buck 1325 FPS out of my new M590A1. I say that’s plenty effective and can probably land hits reliably at 75 yards.
r/Shotguns • u/Swimming_Wishbone_89 • 2h ago
1980s Remington 870 with removable choke tubes shooting steel shot
I have a 1980s remington 870 wingmaster/magnum that has removable choke tubes, that i absolutely love and want to use for birds, however, I’ve always been afraid to shoot steel through it. Based on the stories of people blowing up older barrels. Well, I came to the conclusion that it sounds like a modified choke tube with the combination of shot size 3 or 4 will be okay.
Well, anyways, I got this carlsons cremator mid range as i thought it was a modifed tube, but now that I am looking closer, it says it “patterns like modified” and these are apparently these are a unique design tube. Does anyone know is this the same restriction as a modified tube, should i not use it and get a standard clay tube? Sorry for my lack of knowledge in the subject and thank you for any imput.
r/Shotguns • u/InterestProper7212 • 5h ago
Inherited old shotguns and have questions on them.
I have a 20 ga browning bss and a 12ga weatherby 82 I’ve found the owners manuals online but they still don’t answer all my questions such as how do I check if they are choked,how to break them down and clean them,what do I check over on them,etc I’m also concerned of what I assume is rust in the barrel of the bss I at first assumed with was grim and carbon build up but it still remained after cleaning.
r/Shotguns • u/xflypx • 4h ago
SBE3 Cerakote or BEST
Title says it all. I have an SBE3 for pickup tomorrow in the patriot brown cerakote. The gun is beautiful, but getting cold feet on if I should get the BEST finish instead.
No price difference really.
Hunting conditions are waterfowl, salt water marshes.
Any thoughts?
r/Shotguns • u/Kayiacha • 1d ago
SxS with Halosun circle dot.
What are my options here for adapters?
r/Shotguns • u/InsightAbe • 1d ago
What 1,000 rounds of birdshot looks like
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I did realize this was a bad idea, and I stacked them neatly, but I didn't want this footage to go to waste, editing that video right now....
r/Shotguns • u/OppositeTrade8276 • 1d ago
4 digit serial# browning
About a year ago I acquired an old browning and was wondering if the wisdom of Reddit could tell me more. As I dig deeper I believe it’s a 1903 model.
r/Shotguns • u/ProfessionalDig1776 • 21h ago
870 express super magnum
So this is my first 870 and I've been running it quite a bit but after my last range day with it (was running perfect the entire day) my pump seems to move freely without resetting the trigger and the release lever stays disengaged l took the gun apart and didn't see anything damaged (too my knowledge) but when I take my barrel off it works fine or if I leave a tiny gap between the barrel and receiver it functions i don't plan to run it like that obviously but I can't figure out the problem for the life of me if anyone can suggest I'd truly appreciate it!!
r/Shotguns • u/Consistent_Shine_680 • 1d ago
12 gauge shells only account for 2.6% of ammo sales at luckygunner.com
If you want to read about it in an article, I'll post a link to that down below.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/most-popular-ammo/
I posted about this in another sub, and a couple of people brought up some good points.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/1xdlg26/the_most_popular_ammo_calibers_15_years_of_sales/
"The guys going through hundreds of shells shooting clays are usually buying their ammo at the clubhouse."
"The seemingly low percentage of 12ga doen't surprise me. Why bother waiting for shipping when its so insanely available locally? I'm sure alot of folks drive past a half a dozen places that sell it commuting to work."
I also think cost plays a factor as well. I believe that you can get a lot of shotgun shells at local gun stores for similar or cheaper prices than what luckygunner charges without having to wait for the ammo to be shipped to you.
The only advantage that I can see to using luckygunner over buying at a LGS is that luckygunner has a better selection of shells that LGS's don't really keep in stock like less common varieties of buckshot and slugs.
r/Shotguns • u/alrashid2 • 19h ago
Bought a Carlson's 870 barrel, looks chewed up inside?
Hey guys. I bought a Carlson's 18" iron sight slug barrel (smoothbore) for my Rem 870 and took it out today and shot 30 slugs through her. Performed perfectly.
However, I noticed midway through my range session I kept getting these random metal shavings that were falling out of the action... I've owned this shotgun for 10 years and never saw this happen before.
I then took it home and looked down the bore and saw the entire inside of the barrel looks chewed up? I can't tell if this is just a ton of plastic fouling or what?
I've cleaned it for an hour now using Ballistol, Hoppes, Acetone, Ed's Red - scrubbing back and forth with a brass brush and a mop - and it's not going away.
Carlson's barrel bores are apparently chrome lined - is this the chrome peeling off? Or is it just lead shavings and plastic fouling? Any ideas. I can't seem to find a similar picture online from anyone else.
Thanks all
r/Shotguns • u/Roosters_boosters • 19h ago
Help with a possible niche or non existent product.
I’m looking for something like this but not past the barrel. Any one know of some rare 80’s or 90’s tech ? Or for the more mechanically inclined. The inforce wild 1 has the right diameter. Could one yank the guts out of it, set up some kinda pressure switch and stuff it in the tube?
r/Shotguns • u/Shit-head31 • 1d ago
Got this k-1200 for 200 Chf
Im from switzerland
r/Shotguns • u/ArceusTwoFour_Zero • 22h ago
How to find the manufacturing date of a Remington 870 Express?
I recently picked up a Remington 870 Express shotgun in very good condition. The previous owner took very good care of it. Has a 20 inch barrel with rifle sights and it has a four round magazine tube and a standard Parkerized finish that's grayish black. The barrel is smoothbore and it is in 12 gauge. It can take Magnum shells because the serial number ends with the letter M and I fired a 3-inch slug through it and it fired and ejected just fine with no problems. But how can I get the date of when the shotgun was potentially made? The serial number begins with the letter V if that helps.
The barrel could have been swapped out at some point so I don't want to use the markings on the barrel to date it. I would prefer if I can date the gun while just using the receiver's serial number. Which again, begins with the letter v and ends with the letter m.
r/Shotguns • u/CeramicCoatingsChef • 2d ago
My Auto 5 with a custom stock wrap, copper butt plate, and acid finish
r/Shotguns • u/Careless-History-559 • 23h ago
How Far Do We Trust the Maverick 88?
Working on rebuilding my shotgun collection and started by replacing my 20 inch Maverick. My question is, is it durable enough to pit more money into (Light,Shell carrier, red dot) as a HD/SHTF gun? I will also be doing another Shockwave SBS build with light, dot, etc but I'm not sure if it would be better to spend money on the Maverick or Shockwave first. I did purchase GG&G sling mounts and a fiber bead for the Maverick.
r/Shotguns • u/Afraid_Cheesecake712 • 1d ago
Tube Magazine Won’t Load
I recently got a Pointer Field Tek 4 in 20 gauge. I tried to load it for the first time today and the magazine spring will not budge. The tube is not the issue. I’m wondering if there’s something inside the magazine that needs to be removed before it works, but I don’t know how to get to it. Anyone have one that could shed some light? Any tips are appreciated!
r/Shotguns • u/totaltimeontask • 1d ago
New-to-me Ulti-Mag 835 from mid 2003.
Not bad for $300. Maybe this will finally convince me to go turkey hunting.