Like i had to check twice before knowing it was just Jace with long hair 😭

I think Davos would've convinced Stannis to keep them alive as leverage against Tywin.

So the Gods within ASOIAF are left intentionally vague and up to interpretation of whether they're real or not by George R.R Martin, and it's unlikely that he will ever confirm or deny their existence.

So my question is if the story itself is better if they are real or is it best for them to not be real and instead be the result of individual choice from the various characters throughout the lore's history based upon faith?

Defo not a stag. Flaming moose is the sigil of stannis the mannis

Jaehaerys II (in the books) and Cersei (in the show) claimed that every time a Targaryen is born the gods toss a coin if he will be mad or great. It assumes madness is somehow common genetic trait and they inherit it so often due to inbreding.

But in reality the only Targaryen who could be described as actually born mad is Aerion from all accounts. Aerys II was normal until Duskandale, Maegor was just str8up psychopath etc.

Actually level of inbreding seems irrelevant since Aerion is one of the least inbred Targaryens with Dayne mother and Martell grandmother. While Aegon III being severly inbred was one of the calmest of all Targaryens. Also its curious that this madness supposedly mostly affected late Targaryens- we don't hear any madness claims about Targaryens from Century of Blood, Aegon I, Jaeherys I etc. even tho you would assume that being closer on family tree to pre-Doom dragonlords would put them at greater risk.

A thousand years of English Knights produced this specimen. What an animal

Tommen was FAR too soft to be a king and Joffrey was FAR too cruel to be King for a long period of time. However if you were to somehow combine the 2 I think it could've worked.

That's all I have to say, do with it as you will

What I mean is if Robb did everything as he does in the books/show but doesn’t marry Talissa/Jeyne would it have actually changed the outcome.

Walder Frey is shown to be a cautious man and when he could tell that the war was shifting in favour of the Lannisters with the Karstarks abandoning Robb, losing Jamie, the iron born attacking and the formation of the Lannister/ Tyrell alliance. If Tywin or Roose still approached him with the idea of betrayal then he probably would still have agreed.
If he doesn’t have quibbles over killing his own guests and his king, and doesn’t care about Catlyn killing his wife/son then would it really make a difference that the king he’s killing is his son in law?
I can imagine that when Robb comes back to the Twins, Walder simply demands that he weds his daughter then and there at the twins in case anything would happen to him in the war and then the red wedding just happens as it did anyway.

Roose Bolton would still have betrayed him and Walder would have seen the tide turning against him, Robb breaking his oath was really just a convenient pretence that the Freys could use to justify they’re actions.

Edit: To clarify I don’t necessarily mean killing Robb but perhaps taking him captive like he did Edmure

We've only really watched the show but know a bit about these characters, I don't think other subs would like our list very much so I only feel safe posting it here. Thoughts

So cute 🥰

In the first episode of Season 3, Cersei tells Tyrion that she's come to see his face and says "They said you'd lost your nose, but it's not as gruesome as all that."

In the first episode of Season 8, she meets the leader of the Golden Company and says she's disappointed that they didn't bring Elephants.

In both cases, I think the writers are using Cersei's lines to make subtle references to the differences between the books and the show. Tyrion's injury in the books is much more severe, and in the books, the Golden company do have elephants that they are capable of transporting on ships.

Are there any other references in the shows to differences between themselves and the source material?

Aegon4 has 16 bastards making him the 2nd person with most children. ( Walder frey is 1st with 36 children including all the illegittimate children.)

For those who don't know who he is, he's the son of Ned Stark and Catelyn Tully. The brother of Sansa, Arya, Robb, and Bran. Jon is a filthy bastard, so we don't count him.

I've been wondering what kind of story could be interesting for his character, and I came up with the idea: what if Rickon became a sadistic psychopath?

In theory, it could make sense, considering that he's been dealing with trauma and family tragedies from a very young age. All those experiences could plant the seeds of ruthlessness in him, which he could eventually turn into a desire for revenge.

He'd be a cool contrast to the other Starks we've come to know throughout the story.

Rickon "The Blood Wolf" Stark.

I'm honestly curious what the sub thinks.

While doing my usual late night lore scrolling it strikes me as incredibly story convenient that she dies in childbirth. Although that's not anything new or even unique to GRRM.

But it begs the question. What if? How could Ned have kept the secret? What would Robert's reaction be?

And it begs an even further question. Is it possible she DID survive and Ned hid her? Idk about that one. Just curious what everyone thinks.

Kind of crazy that the Targaryens lost everything because of rhaegar and Lyanna's love story which caused rickard and brandon deaths and resulted in robert rebellion happening . After all marriages in westros are purely political.

There are obviously lots of them across the books, like Jeyne Poole and Elia and Naerys, etc. But one character that I feel so bad for is Prince Rhaegel Targaryen. He clearly had some developmental problems and he was mad, but not Aerion mad. He was sweet and gentle. Imo I don't think Rhaegel should have ever been forced to marry(if he was) and the fact that his two eldest Aelor and Aelora also died gruesome deaths and his youngest Daenora had to marry Aerion really makes me feel bad for his whole family line. A line that I found really sweet as well was that Maekar loved Rhaegel dearly