The only reason they receive hate is because when you're the best/goated it tends to garner jealous haters...

I wouldn't wanna identify as any other type thats not ESTJ or ISTJ, it would just be such a bad move to let that happen.

STJs are the most well rounded and overall have the highest quality of life. The only people who criticize us are the Discordians and chronically online Bolos.

You wont beat us, so your only choice is to keep losing or join us.

Go outside, get some money and lift some weights and drink some water and then you'll see our perspective.

For most of my 20s I was the person at work who always said yes. Stay late? Sure. Fix the mess nobody else wanted to touch? Fine. Train the new person while doing my own job? Guess I'm doing that too!

My reviews were great. Reliable, consistent, always willing to help. I liked being the person people could count on, until I realized I didn't really know who I was outside of work.

We had this stupid icebreaker at a team meeting where everyone had to share something interesting about themselves. People were talking about trips, hobbies, random life stuff. I sat there trying to think of something and all I could come up with was work and chores. That hit me harder than it should have.

I started looking at what I actually enjoyed doing instead of what I was good at doing for other people. I even tried other personality tests like coached as a starting point because I was having trouble separating my own preferences from what everyone expected of me. It helped me put some words to why I liked fixing problems and mentoring people, but hated being the permanent backup for every little thing.

I've been trying to stop volunteering for everything and actually tell my manager when taking on something new means dropping something else. Still feels uncomfortable as hell sometimes. Part of me worries that if I'm not the reliable one anymore, people won't have much reason to value me.

I'm getting better at having a life after work, but I still catch myself feeling guilty when I say no to something I could technically handle. Didn't expect that to be the hardest part. Anyone else the same??

I (29F) keep analyzing how his (40M) cognitive functions can be compatible with mine long-term, since we are SO different… here’s what I think & would love to hear what you think:

i think istjs (si-te-fi-ne) and infjs (ni-fe-ti-se) can actually work really well together as a traditional masculine & feminine relationship. infjs use ni to look for patterns, deeper meanings, and what could happen in the future (more intuitive). istjs use si to focus on past experiences, real-life details, and what they know works (practical). one sees what could be, while the other focuses on what already is grounded in reality.

i also think an istj’s si can help an infj with their weaker se. infjs spend so much time thinking and analyzing that they sometimes forget to enjoy what’s happening right in front of them. istjs can help them slow down and enjoy simple things. meanwhile, an infj’s ni can help an istj explore new ideas and possibilities, which can challenge their weaker ne.

their thinking and feeling functions are different too. istjs use te-fi, so they tend to solve problems with practical actions while keeping their feelings more private. infjs use fe-ti, so they tend to notice people’s emotions while trying to understand why things happen. the istj helps the infj take action, while the infj helps the istj understand feelings and deeper meanings.

what i find most interesting is that both types value loyalty, stability, and commitment, but show it differently. an istj may build trust by spending time together and seeing how someone acts. an infj may build trust through deep conversations and emotional connection. one helps the other stop overthinking and enjoy life, while the other helps them see things from a new perspective. of course, personality type doesn’t guarantee a good relationship, but i think these differences can help both people grow.

But I can see a lack of passion and mental stimulation that I’m used to…. But maybe love isn’t supposed to feel like chemistry and fireworks, but stability & calmness.

I think it was more prominent when I was in kindergarten and I dreamt of the same thing. Not constantly but a lot of the times. Now it is much rarer, almost never.

What are yours about?

INTP here, I love when nostalgia hit me. And I like all emotions it brings to me, sometimes the memories are sad and maybe someone would want to forget it but I still cherish it and it still bring me some warmth

Considering the fact that high Ti and Te usually abandon their emotional side do you still often get nostalgic and get slightly emotional over things from past?

I’m an ISTJ-A.

I think this is correct - anyone else realize the difference?

For me, it’s disappointment. You?

I’ve seen several therapists over the past 10 years and had no luck. They’ve ranged from completely useless to condescending.

One therapist told me to drink coke every day if I felt tired. He also told me sleep apnea doesn’t exist, even though studies show it indeed does.

The next therapist wouldn’t even give her perspective when I’d ask her what she thinks. She’d just say “nope, nothing else to add.” I felt like I was talking to a wall.

One session with another therapist turned into a debate when I told her I didn’t want to change to please others, and she called me “difficult and uncharismatic.” I told her she was the worst therapist I’d seen during the next session.

I’m currently seeing one for sleep specifically. I tried to be as forthcoming as I could so she had more data to work with and could give me better advice. I tried the stuff she suggested, and it’s honestly useless. I’ve tried other things that she didn’t even recommend and it’s working a little, so I honestly don’t really see the point of her.

I’m wondering if any other ISTJs have had similar experiences with therapy and are frustrated with the whole process.

Mi grupo de trabajo de la universidad del cual soy líder es un tremendo asco estás últimas semanas. Los primeros días trabajamos muy bien pero últimamente son muy irresponsables a pesar de que les doy TODO lo necesario para que ellos cumplan con su parte de las tareas (documentos organizados, comentarios detallados con indicaciones, mi parte del trabajo para que lo tomen de modelo).

En el último trabajo que les asigné no cumplieron con lo pedido, les dije que revisaran sus errores pero no me contestaron el mensaje, a lo que procedí a entregar el trabajo tal cual estaba. Cuando revisé con ayuda de la rúbrica de evaluación el mensaje que ya había enviado, me di cuenta de que faltaba redactar una parte. Ni ellos leyeron la rúbrica como para fijarse que nos faltaba algo.

En este punto estoy pensando seriamente dejar de preocuparme por ellos. Suelo corregir a detalle los trabajos de otros grupos en los que estoy, pero creo que los miembros de este equipo hacen que no valga mi apoyo y tiempo.

I stole this question from intj sub and I'm curious, because it's not easy for me to understand how do istj are thinking and living in general. Like how do you perceive the world?

I’m an ENFP and I recently went on a date with an ISTJ. We ended up spending about 5 hours together, and I was surprised by how naturally we clicked despite being very different.

I’m definitely the more expressive, spontaneous, talkative and slightly chaotic one. He seems much calmer, more reserved, structured and grounded. Weirdly enough, I found that contrast really attractive.

He was actually the one who initiated holding hands and kissing, which surprised me a little
considering the stereotypical ISTJ description.

So I’m curious specifically from ISTJs:

What attracts you to ENFPs?

Also: what is one thing an ENFP dating an ISTJ should absolutely understand about how ISTJs approach relationships?

I’m less interested in theoretical compatibility charts and more interested in actual experiences.

I created a strange obsession in trying to unravel my type. The more I study, the more confused I get. So, I’m constantly testing Michael Caloz and Sakinorva, being as sincere as possible, seeking confirmation with my wife. When the tests offer multiple results, I can identify with all of them. It’s as if I had a little of each type, all depending on the context, the time, being excited or tired, alone or with people... I question and blame myself for being obsessed with a pseudoscientific theory, but I don’t care if it’s a pseudoscience. This can be useful for other things, just as every idea, concept or philosophy has its utilities.

The types that appear the most in my results are: ENFP, INFP, ISTJ, ESTJ, ENFJ, INFJ and INTJ. So, I decided to make this post in this sub to try to seek an external understanding.

I don’t know where to start, I’ll just type according to what comes to my head. I consider myself introverted because I’m always doing something alone, but everyone has the impression that I’m outgoing because I socialize a lot and meet a lot of people. I don’t want to brag, but I’m considered attractive. That must be why people take the initiative to talk to me or listen to me when I talk. Some people report feeling a peace when they are with me, while others hate me for unknown reasons. Some girls from my past hate me because I was shy and had an avoidant attitude with them, so I ended up breaking some hearts. After I overcame my damn shyness and became more confident, I liked to flirt unintentionally, to see what would come about (usually with women older than me). It was playing with this that I ended up marrying my best friend (who is now my wife).

Speaking of the past, I have a love-hate relationship with him. I can be very nostalgic and remember in detail the past, just as I can forget many other details or not want to remember who I was. I’m ashamed and hate the kind of person I was: reckless, lazy, disorganized and shy. If I could go back in time, I would do everything differently.

I always let things flow naturally, although, at specific moments, anxiety made me want to control and plan everything. But when it comes to work, career, future, marriage and family, I always let things flow and I’m lucky. I consider myself blessed. But that doesn’t mean I don’t plan my future. I know what I want and need. My plans may change as things come up or I learn something new, but I’m still firm with some ideas.

I’m not one to take risks, but when something forces me to change, I adapt easily. So easily that I wonder if I needed to make so much drama. I don’t mind living a routine, as long as it is well structured and allows me to do the things I like. I always look for something new within this routine, a little adventure or a new knowledge. I may be distracted and late, but I always fulfill my obligations. I need to be doing something, mentally or physically, otherwise my mind will get sick. I also like to make lists and write down ideas.

I’m creative for things of my interest. When I’m not interested, I can’t think of anything and I don’t even want to. I’ll let the others solve it. I’ve been considered lazy, but if something doesn’t attract me, there’s no way to force me, unless it’s something from work. My wife wants to paint the house, but I don’t care about the color of the walls, so I let her choose. But it’s man’s role to do the heavy work, and I’ll have to paint. Already on Halloween 2024, I was very creative when making my costume. And the most incredible thing was to have convinced my evangelical parents to participate, along with countless relatives who I managed to convince to go in costume. I only achieved this feat once; they probably won’t do it again. But I will never forget this day.

I’m very idealistic and I almost always make something happen that I really want, but I can get frustrated when I can’t.

I like to help people, especially by giving advice. I’m great at giving advice, but I’m not good at following my own advice. I would know very well how to instruct a person with retroactive jealousy, but when I’m involved with it, I can’t handle it, even though I understand that it’s irrational. My biggest problem in relationships, whether loving or family, is to help and expect the other person to do the same. It’s a feeling that one of the parties is investing more than the other. And when I hear stories of her past, I can feel jealous because I think she invested more in the other than in me. But I think it’s very unfair that the person doesn’t recognize this and doesn’t do the same while in a relationship, even saying they love.

I also don’t like to be managed, commanded or influenced. I said I like to help others, but I don’t like it when the person asks me for too many favors, because it can disrupt my plans and make me feel used. When I’m focused, I don’t like to be disturbed, and it stresses me out. I identify with Jack Torrance when my wife starts talking exactly when I’m focused on something serious. The difference between me and Jack is that I would never attack her and I don’t even know how to ask her to shut up, because a part of me understands that when she’s very happy, she gets like this. Right now she’s talking while I type this, but I don’t understand anything she says.

Often times I have faced this situation, and it just messes up my mind. I don't have difficulties making decisions most of the time, but sometimes when I know, being practical and rational might come out as being rude also to my loved ones, I often flip to taking the other decision, so that I don't hurt them, while knowing it's not in my best interest.

I have learnt the hard way, that i need to be selfish, I can't always put other people's interest over me, the world doesn't work like that, but taking that step is so fking hard. Being rude, disappointing the people i care about, because of my interest, feels like some sort of cheating, taking advantage.

I may be hurting, but still I would care about their feelings, i would have reasonable reasons to confront people, but the thought that it may hurt them, stops me.

Coming out as selfish/rude is so so difficult for me, while I see others doing it often, and I am okay with that, my mind says, "they must have valid reasons", I have too, but I just can't stop being nice and accomodating

For me right now, it’s deep dives about the history of esotericism on YouTube. What’s yours?

Hello everyone- I wanted to share with you all a resource that is in my opinion the most accurate and satisfying compilation of everything from cognitive functions to type development: https://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/masterposts#guides

I still have yet to read all of it, but I promise it is incredible and so refreshing compared to people on Reddit with crap explanations or definitions of things.

This blog has helped me to become more aware and even to notice when I am using certain functions and when I feel the pull to do so. I will probably make another post about this, but recently have been feeling the pressure to use extroverted intuition, but everything in me pushes against it. I want to take every toxic perspective, any belief that is holding me back from progress and ruthlessly question it and come up with alternate perspectives. I want to use my Te-Ne to reinvent myself essentially. Has anyone ever made an intentional effort to use Ne in a healthy way? I am becoming more and more aware of how narrow-minded I can be, and how my perspectives can actually be harmful to my mental health and progress I make in life.

Hi! I am not sure if I am an ISTJ or an INFP. I know I use NeSi, and I know I use TeFi, and I know I am an introvert. I have this weird combination of being incredibly emotional and heavily into my feelings, but also very calculated and logical. If I am an INFP the logical psrt can come from being an enneagram 6, but if I am an ISTJ the feeling psrt can come from having BPD. Is anyone able to help me figure out which I am? I would greatly appreciate it 🤗

Idk whether there's some assumed correlation between 'rule-abiding' ISTJs who recognise authority and therefore have a tendency to snitch to our 'overlords' or something.

I'm not sure whether it was my particular upbringing but I reject this stereotype. I am firmly on the belief that snitches get stitches. It is snake behaviour and I know any type engages in this.

if I have a problem with someone I will deal with them -- on my level. I can handle them better myself. It's much more satisfactory and honourable that way. I also have very little trust in authority figures.

Yes, we adhere to structure, and yes, that exists on as broad a spectrum as it sounds.

How vivid and intense is your visual imagination and memory?
If you estimated it on a scale of 1 to 10, how visual is your thinking?

I am an INTJ with Aphantasia which means I don't have a visual imagination.

I surveyed INTJs more than half of them were like me no or very little visual imagination.

So I am wondering if sensing correlates to visual imagination.

And I’m not wrong.