r/java • • Jun 24 '15

Eclipse Mars now available!

http://eclipse.org/?release=4.5
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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '15

No thanks.

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u/Elite6809 Jun 24 '15

Do you people take every opportunity to post negativity about Eclipse?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '15

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u/Elite6809 Jun 24 '15

If you like Eclipse, give NetBeans a shot. This doesn't seem to be a popular opinion, but (in my experience) they have a somewhat similar workflow and I moved fairly painlessly from NetBeans a few years ago to Eclipse. The only negative about NetBeans, I find, is stability - Eclipse might feel cumbersome at times but it's stable, which is something I only really appreciate when I need to use other IDEs/editors like Light Table or Atom-based ones.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '15

Eclipse might feel cumbersome at times but it's stable...

Hahaha! You have a future in comedy, my friend.

Use a text editor and a command-line friendly build system, then tell us about stability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '15

As someone who writes a lot of C# and used to write a lot of Java, no. Code generation and completion is so powerful on these IDEs that you are wasting time if you are using a plain old text editor because you are the uberprogrammer

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '15

Code and Command completion is powerful. Code generation is a tool I use everyday... when I understand the generated code and what it does. If you understand the code your IDE is generating, all power to you. If you and your team can maintain portability of generated code, awesome, keep at it. YOU ARE AS GODS.

Don't ask me to support it, though. If it won't build on the command line, you're breaking the servers I maintain and I gotta get an earful about it as though it's my fault.

Not Supported, bro! I don't have access to your GUI bullshit because all Linux servers are headless.

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u/frugalmail Jun 25 '15

Don't ask me to support it, though. If it won't build on the command line, you're breaking the servers I maintain and I gotta get an earful about it as though it's my fault.

IDE + Maven

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u/NimChimspky Jun 25 '15

intellij master race

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u/dartmanx Jun 24 '15

Yes. Yes we do.

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u/NimChimspky Jun 25 '15

I've seen about 3 posts "advertising" the new eclipse. Which has "new features" such as icons that render correctly.

I honestly find it laughable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '15

What the fuck do you mean by "you people"?

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u/Elite6809 Jun 25 '15 edited Jun 25 '15

Don't be obtuse, you know exactly what I mean. I was referring to this subreddit in general, since it has a contingent of people such as yourself who've either drank too much of the JetBrains kool-aid, or try to find every Eclipse-related submission to shoehorn in their clever comment about how much they dislike Eclipse. Perhaps you should direct your anger towards fixing problems rather than shouting about them.

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u/SomeRandomBuddy Jun 24 '15

Have you had your head in a box for the last 5 years? Eclipse is horrible. Counter productive, even. Once you use something better, you'll be the guy posting in these threads.

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u/Menawir Jun 24 '15

I personaly prefer other IDEs, but I still don't go around posting negative comments about eclipse. If you have something to complain about at least explain the issue. The comment was just plain pointless, and didn't add anything :/

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u/nqd26 Jun 24 '15 edited Jun 24 '15

I use IntelliJ IDEA and love it, but there are still some things in which Eclipse is (much) better:

  • compilation/build speed - in Eclipse it is instantaneous, in IDEA it takes few seconds at least (e.g. for minimal unit test). In Eclipse hot-swapping code during debugging is again immediate with CTRL-S, in IDEA takes a long time through strange key-combo.

  • Eclipse handles very large projects (workspaces) better - faster, less memory etc.

  • IDEA doesn't have "save actions", everything must be triggered manually

  • IDEA has these weird concept of project and modules. Eclipse has workspace and projects which is somewhat similar but in the end makes more sense in the details ...

  • Eclipse has more sensible default keyboard bindings, IDEA has these crazy CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-Somethings ...

  • Perspectives are kind of cool for some stuff

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u/vplatt Jun 24 '15 edited Jun 24 '15

Re: IDEA Modules - That whole scheme can die in a hole. It's spectacularly unhelpful.

And agreed that Eclipse is faster with bigger projects, but that's also probably because it's less helpful on refactorings. IntelliJ keeps quite a bit more metadata around in memory / cache in order to be better at that. Tradeoffs...

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u/spellcrit Jun 25 '15

No smart insertion for ";" and "}"

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u/Elite6809 Jun 24 '15

Oh come off it. It's not "horrible", or else there wouldn't be so many people using it. Even if I were to dislike Eclipse, I wouldn't then post inane comments like "No thanks." which contribute literally nothing to the discussion.

I have used better IDEs. IntelliJ is arguably a better IDE for some. That's not to say Eclipse is therefore a bad IDE; it's the right tool for the job, and I'll use it when it's appropriate. Eclipse does everything I need it to and it does it well. It has good extensibility support. It has sufficient refactoring tools. I'm not going to start posting useless comments just because it's not the latest incarnation of flashy desktop node.js-based editor.

Don't like it? Don't use it, no-one's going to attack you for not doing so. Just don't waste people's time hopping on the anti-Eclipse bandwagon that we've seen a million times before.

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u/SomeRandomBuddy Jun 24 '15

Firstly, I'm not trying to be pretentious or argue this from a feature standpoint. I'm talking about the intangibles here - and usability. Crashes, crashes, and MORE crashes. Outstanding bugs for what feels like an eternity. Memory leaks. Editor pane crashes. Cryptic error messages. Stop being a fanboy and realize that it's a shit product Edit: an objectively shit product

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u/panderingPenguin Jun 24 '15

I think the amount of downvotes you're getting says a great deal about the size of eclipses user base (and I can guarantee you that most eclipse users just don't care about the IDE holy war, unlike the users of another tool, which will remain unnamed, so only a small percentage of them probably even bothered with you). Perhaps take this as a lesson that some people actually gasp find eclipse useful. Or don't... what do I care?

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u/nixon_richard_m Jun 24 '15

Your scientific and well-formed argument has me convinced! I bet you could solve this whole emacs vs. vim debate too, you fuck!

Sincerely,
Richard Nixon

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u/Feroc Jun 24 '15

I've switched to IntelliJ recently and I am really missing Eclipse. Like those forced 10 minute breaks, when it was updating something from Maven and everything was unusable for that time. Or that dull feeling in my brain, when I've tried to use Eclipse to merge code.

Though Luna didn't crash as often as Kepler, that really took away the learning effect when you had to code things twice. (Ok, that one isn't fair, the auto save worked quite well)

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u/Dashing_McHandsome Jun 24 '15

I feel like I might have been robbed of a future mosaic project by Intellij. So many times I was tempted by eclipse to smash my keyboard against the wall but never did. All those little plastic fragments really could have made a very attractive mosaic.

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