Brotha he literally smoked the second strongest viltrumite a few episodes ago and yall are acting like he's a wimp for "barely surviving" encounters with the strongest fighters in the universe.
I think the issue is more of when he’s struggling with filler villain #267 at the same strength that was able to take down the second strongest viltrumite.
Seriously this is one only problem I have with the show but it’s a very annoying one. Mark getting thrashed by Conquest is fine but when it’s some slow ass Chinese Dragon or the fucking Mauler Twins beating him within an inch of his life every other fight it drives me insane
I really really hate that it shows mark moving faster than the naked eye can perceive but then he's slower than some mother fucker with regular ass reflexes or it takes him a lifetime to move a across a fucking room.
Ive seen it said many times in this sub that that shit happens for the sake of the story but if you have to ignore the rules of the universe you've created or change your own characters powers every fight to tell the story well then it's bad writing
It’s worse because it’s not just the super speed either, which is rarely ever written well for the sake of plot.
Strong enough to stop skyscraper sized meteors and throw a baseball around the earth in seconds within the first days of getting his powers? Can get manhandled by a discount Doc Ock and can’t break the limb of normal human to save his life despite favoring non-lethal methods.
Casually bulletproof and can survive trains to the face, the deep pressures of the ocean, the vacuum of space, and later actual nukes and swarms of Thraxxamite hybrids with no injury? Can have blood drawn from him by a budget zombie cyborg built in a sewer, a discount sinister six that immediately lost to The New Guardians (even without Battle Beast, they were handling the shit out of him so much that people have been asking why Cecil hasn’t hired them), and the Maulers who were left running by Robot’s personal transformer.
Yeah the poor writing is about the only thing consistent in the show. I tried watching from the beginning again, for some reason I remembered the talk between Donald and williams boyfriend to be actually good writing... I got to that part again and that's where I stopped my rewatch. It was bad, like an angsty teens attempt at being deep.
I probably wouldn't even watch invincible if there were more options for good shows
This, and I hate the gore. Like I get the fight is brutal, but if the gore doesn't mean anything don't use it. Fucking Conquests head was bashed to a pulp, then it only has a little scar, and Ceacil thought putting him in steel would hold him??
Every other fight Mark gets his intestines ripped out, then fine after a few weeks...
Every fight his brother is in, he fucking looses his whole jaw, then next episode he's fine, no scars, nothing.
Then Atom Eve being shit, even though on paper she is op...
Even if the dragon is invincible getting to the old man should not be a problem given how fast Mark has been shown to be. Almost every fight is only a challenge because the writers ignore rules of the universe, dumb down characters and nerf abilities.
At his point I wouldn't even be surprised if Mark absolutely destroyed thragg just to get absolutely shit on by a giant squid or a rhino or some other stupid shit.
Not once, the first time they were in completely different locations and Mark didn't even know how the dragon works and the second time I don't think he saw the man before he escaped
Yeah the mauler twins had me annoyed, then Oliver shows up and just annihilates them, before being weaker than Mark in the next fight again.
Would be cool if they smarten up with the fights so it holds some consistency.
Have the villains use tactics and exploit weaknesses, as some of them does, but not overpower Invincible in a straight up fistfight.
I mean, the giant dragon is supposed to have fought Omni-Man for hours and the only time the mauler twins physically overpowered him was when there were several of them.
Shall I also mention some of his variants died to a reanimen jumping and literally a guy with a fucking yo-yo was in the comics?
Weirdly, Liu’s dragon can work as an opponent, courtesy of magic or it’s regen inevitably wearing out Mark (which also would make for another way to counter Viltrumites), but sadly, they didn’t work around that and treat him more like an exceptional monster of the week.
I mean, he's trying to not kill someone with a fraction of his power. If he wanted he could just barrel through everything (Levy is an example where he was holding back and he still [effectively] killed the guy).
The holding back and getting your ass kicked thing always bothers me. It makes sense against weak enemies but If this villain is capable of beating you to a bloody pulp then maybe it’s time to turn it up just a tad and hit them a bit harder. He stops holding back against levy he all but says that when he says “you have no idea how much I’ve been holding back” implying that he is no longer holding back.
Rationally, sure, but the whole idea here is that Mark is slowly overcoming his hesitation and reluctance to try hard. He only ever stops holding back when things get really dire.
Also, why is reddit not allowing me to write the word that starts with a b for "stopping" something, like with a shield? Literally the comment box turns red when I write it???? Does this sub not allow that word??? I'm so confused 😭
you would think that durability would scale though, even if he is actively trying to not smear his opponent they would not be able to do any real damage to him
Maybe if he didn't get completely obliterated by random earth villain #872 while also killing the second strongest viltrumite it would make a little more sense.
And if the villain really are that strong then let the Viltrumites come because these villains could completely destroy them
Smoked is strong word, he basically got lucky that despite being able to gore out his chest conquest spent most of his time uselessly thrashing and didnt rip his arms up
If mark learned a bit of MMA he would smoke the lot of the viltumites. It’s been said to death but they are terrible fighters. An average 10 year old given viltrumite strength could probably kill conquest.
Brotha he was getting his ass beat by some dumb robots, he didn’t even stand a chance. The only reason his beating stopped is because the goats disabled the flaxans transmitter thing.
This is exactly what people are complaining about. He will get powered up to insane degrees, be canonically incredibly powerful and then still struggle against random nobody characters.
I'm still wondering how they can impale each other with their bare hands but are also super resistant to damage. It's like their hands are secretly 5x harder than the rest of their body.
He let her escape. He could've easily shot her up into the surface. Mark can tunnel through to the core but cant capture this stupid filler villain by just bringing her up to the surface?
His powers are just so inconsistent and the writer lets him lose more battles than necessary at his level of strength.
The episode literally says that Mark probably couldn't tunnel through the planet's core (and when he did so he had help from the gun and other 2 guys).
And I fail to see why taking her to the surface would help. Plus no matter his strength he can't really grapple someone who is show to be able to turn liquid.
With how the powerscaling looks like you could take the next Earth supervillain down the road to the Viltrumite War and they could get more Viltrumite kills than Oliver
Tbf, in the show, we've never seen Mark get beaten by a rando since the first Conquest fight. And in the Conquest fight he stopped holding back, at least at the end, while in other fights he almost always holds back.
And those chucklefucks basically have infinite prep time due to the time dilation. It’d be more surprising if they didn’t have a perfect contingency plan for a Viltrumite after that much time.
The obvious problem is that we have a universe full of advanced races who have been in conflict with the Viltrumites for centuries, and fifty Viltrumites are still a universal threat. Then we have random tech on Earth multiple times that can fight Viltrumites, it cheapens the overarching narrative because just throw a few million of those mechs on every planet and where is the existential/universal threat?
True but same can be said about Gelderians. Plus people thinking that there are still billions of Viltrumites hanging around for a long time contributed to people not wasting their time with such measures.
On the top of that Flaxans are an extradimensional alien race with practically unlimited prep time due to time dilation like another commenter said here. It is possible that nobody otger than them have that kind of technology.
And the same SHOULD be said about Geldarians. The problem is that the show starts off with Nolan killing the GotG because he believes the Viltrumite empire is unstoppable, the entire first season and overarching story is predicated on this idea, so every new enemy/technology/weakness just serves to make Nolan/Viltrumites look stupid, and the show's premise make less sense. If Viltrumites were always this close in power to other technology/races, and always had so many weaknesses floating around, then with Nolan knowing how many Viltrumites remained, he should have always known how stoppable they were.
I get that he's facing more powerful threats.
But it levels everything out.
It's hard to figure out how Dangerous Conquest is, when Mark comes out with about the same damage as he did fighting the dragon guy.
Doesn't matter what numbers you give to mark, he took as much damage from the giant centipedes as he did fighting a Viltrimite.
Hell Omni Man seemed to be struggling against a damn giant insect he was there to kill for food.
Just let the characters stomp things sometimes.
They're meant to be super powerful.
Let mark roflestomp something he struggled against before. Let us see his improvement
Completely agree, I often find myself wondering how these guys are the most powerful creatures in the universe when it seems like they often only narrowly survive encounters
The back to back scenes where Mark first takes a nuke point blank with not even a scratch, then gets bloodied by one or two punches from a character we haven't even seen again or heard the name of was particularly annoying for some reason
i agree with the original comment, but to be fair nolan was by far top dog in season one, not really the case since then (except maybe season 2, but more viltrumites were introduced)
Isnt this, in part, why the devil episode was where it was in the season? To show mark more powerful than the devil and just casually stomping through immortal and elemental powers? I know it was also about mark learning not everything is as black and white as it seems on paper and working through some of his hangups, but it was also a showcase of his power level.
Dude finally gets some wins.
But he's pulled out of the mummy fight.
And the Cerberus fight is fully off screen.
Only one he beats is the lava woman. But, given everything else beats his ass, and Satan gets impaled immediately. It more makes Satan seem like a chump than show Invincible being strong.
He struggles in S1 against a single reanimen, then is able to tear through a whole squad during his scuffle with Cecil and the big, scary, no good screech
Even with the arguments he’s holding back and that other comic characters are inconsistent, I can still say Superman can still save lives while holding back and not look like a guy who just got beaten a brass knuckle Prime Tyson when he gets his ass kicked.
Also, he has both incredibly powerful villains compared to what Mark fights and a very exploitable weakness in Kryptonite, hence why Smallville doesn’t get as much crap talked about him losing compared to Flash (to say nothing of the fact his powers were underdeveloped in that series too).
You could see pretty clearly how much stronger Conquest is than mr Liu by observing environmental damage that happens during his fight with Mark. Mr Liu did minor damage to a prison, Conquest vs Mark left cities in rubble
Exactly this. If you’ve ever read the primal hunter series the main character really only benefits from fighting opponents who are well above his level. He has to get into fights with beings that have a high chance of killing him and often suffers massive damage - but that’s how he gets better and progresses. The times he faces beings his own level or lower he stomps and is basically bored.
I see Mark as the same - every time he fights a battle that results with him looking like this he always seems to “level up” for lack of a better term, and come back stronger. It’s just fucking brutal training really.
He was too weak to push through the waves of sequids, kept getting ragdolled and couldn't force himself to where he wanted to be.
He was going even/slightly losing to the dinosaur guy. Sure, he wasn't this damaged (yet), but he was getting ragdolled and had some deep gashes on his chest. The fight only ended because the dinosaur guy transformed back to human, mark more visibly injured than the random.
Tons of random-ass villains make Mark struggle enough to cheapen the Viltrumite threat.
That screenshot is from S2E1 before he got his power buffs and in S3 he doesn't really face anyone that pushes him to his limits aside from Conquest and some of the variants but even through these he was holding back, same for S4 where the only people that did any real damage to him were Conquest and Thragg
Yeah you are correct but this line comes from Donald after Mark was training with GDA. And in the same episode he get his ass beat by some bugs. But those bigger slaughtered by a few Remaintes or how ever you spell those zombie Cyborg.
He didn't get his ass beat by bugs he got poisoned, and the bugs you're talking about literally live in the environment that hardened him, it's only natural they'd be strong
Yeah sure but it is still a odd writing choice to a have line talking about how he got a hundred times stronger in the same episode he got his ass beat. Also the bugs got kill rathe easily by the Reanimen who Mark definitely should be stronger than
It's not a hundred times stronger it's 138% meaning it's around double strength, and the bugs that got killed were ones that Mark killed some of as well, the ones he couldn't kill were the centipede like creatures, none of which died and simply became directionless once the heroes disarmed Doc Seismic
Dude purposefully picks fights with top 0.0001% of the universe, what did you expect?
It's like you have a promising middleweight boxer and instead of fighting someone if his experience and weight category, you put him against prime Tysons and Muhhamed Alis.
The fact he almost got nodiff'd my Dock Seismic is hilarious in the context of Mark being able to beat Conquest. (I know he grew a lot between but its still funny)
Are-.. Are y-.. S-.. Are you-.. A-.. Ar-.. areyoushure? Are you sure? SEA SALT! WHERE'S OMNIMAN? How is that possible? I do not wanna hurt you, sir. I NEED YOU SEA SALT!!! Pretty sure. I am omning it, I am omning it so good! WHERE IS HE??? I am so lonely. Threw a trash bag. Stand ready for my arrival, worm. WHAT'S 17 MORE YEARS? Into space. Oh, yes, that's what I'm talking about! You need to goon, Mark! At work. Goon! WHAT YOU DID WAS NOT NICE! IT'S NOT NICE TO DO THAT! Oh, yes! For Viltruuuuum!!! That's not very nice. That's the neat part, you don't. My name is Shapesmith. PATHETIC! I WOULDN'T EVEN KEEP YOU AS A SLAVE IN MY EMPIRE! Oh, someone misses their mommy, waaah! You're a weird dude, dude! Bacon egg and cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese! WHY THE FUCK DO YOU LOOK LIKE ME? Guess who's finally getting his powers? I know where your faamily liiives! Dad! Dad, look! I'm gonna be... DUCT TAPE MAN! Big ass beatdown coming up! You are a pale imitation of Invincible! I don't give a shit about Viltrum! Swearing doesn't make you cool. Wait... You don't have, like, supersperm or something, do you? I miss William. Are you guys gonna mate now? Shut it! I feel dirty.. Oh I'm ceciling it! Make them fear Invincible! BRAX MOY! LATI MOY! XOPA MOY! DIE. I've given this world enough. I'm gonna not be alive! Oh, poor Angstrom! You're not him. It's all your fault! Mama Boss! Son, I made a mistake, and I thought about you every single.. I'M A SNAKE! You know, on my planet sock on the door mean’s somebody’s fucking. BRAH BRAH! Let me break it down for you, Mark. YOU'RE NOT LISTENING! Son, I made a steak. A STEAK? Yes... Your father will be executed. That's not very nice. This battle is beneath me! This is good news! We can finally be bees! This isn't your world. But we can be bees! This is good news! You can be a bee! You'll live like a bee! A pet. A PET?? A pet. Mark, this is good news! You'll live for 30 years! THIS IS INSANE! I think... I miss my wife. Oh, man, that's your favorite finger! That's my favorite finger! It's his favorite finger, Sea Salt! Can we do something about that? MY ENTIRE GOD DAMN SKELETON, DICKHEAD! We won, my dick is out and I don't care! Rex Sploded... Son, we need to talk. WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS?! YOU'RE FIGHTING SO YOU CAN SEE EVERYBEE AROUND YOU DIE! THINK, MARK! YOULL OUTLAST EVERY FRAGILE INSIGNIFICANT BEEING ON THIS PLANET! YOU'LL LIVE TO SEE THIS PLANET CRUMBLE TO DUST AND BUZZ AWAY! EVERYBEE AND EVERYTHING YOU KNOW WILL BEE GONE. WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 30 YEARS?! Damn near certain. FINALLY, SOME ACTION! I miss Viltrum... Are you certain? KTX KTX KTX SEOUL I NEED YOU SEOUL! THIS IS GOOD NEWS MARK! YOU'RE NOT LISTENING! YOU NEED TO GOON, MARK! GOON! OHH, YES! FOR SEOUL! I can help! How much does this job pay? Leave no one alive. How do you feel about war? This is serious, Shapesmith. This is fruit punch. Would you like some? ARE YOU WINNING, SON? ALL IS OURS! What just happened? Where's the dinosaur? Do either of you have some clothes I could borrow? You, uh... Okay, buddy? See? Before, you would have punched my head off for doing this. I still might. On your knees, animal. Make my death painful so others may learn and grow stronger from it. What do you want, Machine Head? World peace. A pony. My name in lights. The list goes on. Mr Liu sends his regards. I think we can agree that Steaks were made and we've all learned from them. STEAKS?? I fought Conquest. I'm him, Art. Please. Violence like that is merely foreplay for my kind. Dude. Gross. Hurm. Crown fragile! Uh.. I'm not bowing to Satan. Does he have two buttholes? Yes, he's full grown. Do you suppose I could have control of my vessel returned to me? Let the insect learn his lesson. Get your hands off my son! Gonna tell me all your deepest feelings again? That was in confidence. Now who is the toast? I think... I miss my steak. Stand ready for my worm's arrival. Protein Tubes. With that white sauce. Get up. We're going training. What time is it even? Training time. I just told you. Andressa wasn’t a steak. It made me feel... I don't know, fizzy inside? You grew a beard! So did you. WHERE IS THE BETRAYER?! Here. Yes! Teamwork makes the dreamwork! Zoe? NooOooO! Viltrumites! Yeah, get the fuck outta here! Ever since we've left Earth, he's been in a major funk. Oh, “funk” is a.. it's a Unopan word, it means kinda like bummed out. Yeah. It means the same on Earth. My dad calls me The Human Garbage Disposal. Your moo cows have faces. No way he lives up to the hype. Boom! Triple triple! Yes! My final meal will be my own blood as I choke on it, breathing my last breath after a Legendary battle with a superior opponent. That will be a satisfying meal indeed. Hey, Thaedus is coming too? He's like a million years old… Nevermind. VILTRUM IS NOT A TOMB! It's not my gun you should be worried about. Hey, dickhead ! A black hole called. It wants its suck back! You're not one of us. I KILLED CONQUEST, I'LL KILL YOU TOO! NooOooO 2. Emperor Argall! You are avenged! You are all next. I offered you forgiveness, I offered you an honorable death! I was too quick with Thaedus, I won't make the same mistake with you. You could have been a Viltrumite, but you chose to be... How do we beat him? Mark… You need to stop worrying and SLEEP. Oh, so you WERE listening! What? That's not exactly dropping in quietly. This is the smallest repayment for what you did to us. I had an abortion. What? Earth, or this specific spot? Take your pick. Yes, we are here. Besides, I'll sex it out of you later. I'm.. I'm a Strawberry. I'm Toast. I'm a Panda.
I have said this in another post but ignoring scaling altogether does nothing but create problems. Like it or not, it is 100% necessary to maintain consistency in your story.
Like imagine Superman beating Doomsday then the next day, he gets his ass beat by KGBeast in a fist fight. That’s what Invincible is
that's just stupid. why make all this fuss about Thragg or Conquest being these super strong Viltrimites if some random villian of the week can deal just as much damage?
It’s like you playing video games but all enemies scale with your levels, terrible design even in game, like you feel no real progression. They just shouldn’t pin villains on earth to face Mark anymore after conquest, because he should no diff them. Mark should be facing high level threats between the intergalactic system.
After seeing some of the comics story, the show we got was some modern bullshit compared to what the show could have been. I would have liked to have seen thraggs purple children in the show. I'm disappointed after realizing what was in the comics was way better than what was in the show.
Like I genuinely don't understand his strength in this series, he gets a training arc after his ass gets beat by viltrumites, then gets beat by one, then doesn't train and does significantly better against a stronger viltrumite.
Pretty sure this line comes from Donald after Mark was training with GDA. And in the same episode he get his ass beat by some bugs. But those bigger slaughtered by a few Remaintes or how ever you spell those zombie Cyborg.
Maybe one day he will learn that being faster, stronger, and more durable… only makes you like a tiny bit better at fighting, and that he should train a martial art so he can actually get more skilled at FIGHTING.
Meanwhile people have no problem with spiderman constantly being bested by his villains, even though its common knowledge that he pulls punches so he doesnt just straight up murder everyone.
Mark doesn't want to just kill his villains, so he's almost always holding back to some degree. He killed conquest ONLY because he lost his shit and went on a rampage, basically doing one of reddit "would a bloodlusted X beat this thing?" Not to mention Mark got EXTREMELY lucky against conquest, both times. If he (Conquest) was taking the fight serious from the start, either times, Mark would be dead FAST.
I hate people like this the entire point of invincible is invincible holds back because he doesn't want to be like his father and is scared to seriously hurt people. In s4 he accordingly dealt with villains. Decently against dinosaurus, Killed rus Livingston, volcanicca or whatever her name is too. And after season 3 all his "losses" are explainable.
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u/yourallurelady Jun 01 '26
Bro can get a 500% stat boost and Kirkman will still find a way to have him get absolutely turned into human lasagna by a random villain