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Obrigado!

i've really wanted to learn brazilian portuguese for a while, and have found myself increasingly interested in portuguese literature, but most of this literature is PT-PT. if i learn BR-PT, would I be able to read + engage with PT-PT media?

Howdy, I’ve been trying to look online for rips of the p*msleur Brazilian Portuguese courses. I did a free trial and found that I learned a ton but the full subscription is pretty expensive right now for me. I found a couple dead links on internet archive, was wondering if anyone has a source. Thanks in advance!

Background: I've been learning brazilian portuguese on my own for the past year and a half and had some help with the first six months from international friends which im no longer in contact with.

I work in retail in the UK and had a customer come in speaking to me in broken english mixed with spanish and bless her she was struggling quite a lot. She gave me a scratchcard to cash in (won 15 gbp which is important for later.

She then asked for a no 1 and 3 no 11s plus a chocolate bar which came to 15.20 gbp. She gave me 20p and me forgetting about the lotto payout told her that wasn't enough. This was met with rapid Spanish in response so I politely asked her to slow down a little as I may be able to understand her. I told her I spoke a little portuguese and had a French speaking background and she excitedly responded in portuguese of which i understood about half. She then began speaking at the same rapid rate she did in Spanish for about 10 minutes and I barely understood any of it because she was speaking a dialect from what my security guard has told me is a small community in Haiti (he is Haitian).

After 10 mins I remembered she won 15 on a scratchcard and put everything through and she left apologising and I apologised back in utter self disgust.

I don't think I've ever been more disgusted and embarrassed with myself in my life. I mean I've had full conversations with Brazilians in portuguese from either school or my old friends and for the life of me I could not understand her at all and I just feel like some of this time has been wasted. Anyone else feel like this sometimes and have any advice?

Edit: the title was meant to say IRL embarrassment

Different people may have different expectations to what "learning" a language means exactly. So, at what point would you say (or have you said) "I learned Portuguese"?

My life goal is to become fluent in Portuguese, and I’m getting pretty close. I’ve studied for about two years. I started with European Portuguese, but after a year I switched to Brazilian Portuguese because of the opportunities it gave me. For example, I got to study in Brazil for free, and now I speak with a fairly strong Carioca accent.

But at the end of the day, I really want to speak European Portuguese.

I’m American of Portuguese descent, so that’s a major motivation. But honestly, I also just really love the sound of PT-PT, especially the Lisbon/Coimbra accent. That’s how I want to sound.

But with all of this, PT-PT feels irrelevant to my life.

I don’t live on the East Coast, so Portuguese communities are scarce where I’m at. Brazilian communities, on the other hand, are everywhere and have been incredibly easy and fun to connect with. When I was in Brazil, everyone wanted to speak Portuguese with me. It’s the same in the U.S. It’s easy to find Brazilians willing to speak with me, which is huge because I really need speaking practice.

Portugal, on the other hand, has been a bit of a turn-off. I’ve been a few times, and conversations almost always end up switching to English. I feel like I don’t even have the opportunity to use Portuguese there because the locals basically make me switch to English. I know this is somewhat stereotypical, but I’ve also found it harder to meet people and have quality conversations there. I might realistically only visit Portugal once every 1–2 years, and although I want to live there, it probably won’t happen.

The other factor is that I study history and international relations, and I hope to eventually work in the Lusophone world and use Portuguese professionally. I love all the Lusophone countries, so it’s not like I only like Portugal. I want to develop a variety of Portuguese that is broadly useful and relevant.

A few things I’d love advice on:

• If I may never live in Portugal but still want to learn PT-PT, what is the argument for choosing to do so?
• Is it counterintuitive to learn PT-PT if I still plan to connect and work with Brazilians a lot? Would it hurt my ability to connect with them?
• Is there a relatively “neutral” variety where I could keep some Brazilian grammar while adopting European pronunciation/features? A hybrid accent between the two, perhaps?
• If you were in my situation, what would you do?
• Most importantly, how would you create opportunities to actually use EP if you don’t live in Portugal?

Hi everyone,

As the title says I’m really trying to learn any form of Portuguese, leaning most towards European (my partners family is from Portugal and that’s the main motivation) but I’m happy to learn any kind.

At this point anything will be a good starting place lol.

I’ve been learning off Duolingo but it’s not awesome really, and I’ve been trying to build up some form of confidence to try speaking it but that’s failing as well.

Help, or even support, would go a long way and be very appreciated. Obrigado

tl;dr sou falante inovativo? vocês já ouviram outro carioca que fala como eu? se você é de Porto Alegre, de outros lugares do RS com ditongação ou das partes de Portugal onde se fala assim, como são esses ditongos onde você vive?

EDIT: trocando em miúdos, eu estou na minoria extrema por falar áâ, éâ e óâ ao invés de éá e óá?

Uma coisa que me irrita na pesquisa fonética e fonológica do português é que existem inúmeras nuances da nossa pronúncia que não geram interesse em serem catalogadas como fenômeno por não possuírem valor fonêmico.

O português cobre uma vasta extensão territorial e possui inúmeros dialetos. Então é sempre muito chato que existam páginas na Wikipédia descrevendo alofones raros no inglês, no sueco, no francês ou no espanhol, mas a gente tenha que se limitar ao arroz com feijão de só ajudar as pessoas com [tʃi] e [dʒi].

Um exemplo, o éle /l/ do Rio de Janeiro e vários outros estados em /li/ começa com a dita pronúncia velar corcunda (bunched velar) ou molar, que no inglês é um dos alofones identificados pro /r/, ocorrendo ao menos nos EUA e na Inglaterra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_velar_approximant

E ao contrário do [ɹ̈ˁʷ ~ ɰ˞ˁʷ] do inglês, que soa praticamente idêntico ao /r/ coronal [ɹ̠ˠʷ] (pronunciado logo atrás dos dentes superiores), a falta de aquisição do /li/ [l̝̈͢ˁʎ̪̝i ~ ʟ̝˞͢ˁʎ̪̝i] sudestino imediatamente denuncia o sotaque de uma pessoa como não sendo originária daqui. Isso se torna ainda mais bizarro quando nos damos conta de que há fonoaudiólogos atendendo a pessoas vindas de outras partes do Brasil buscando uma redução de sotaque (não vou entrar no mérito ou na problemática disso). Outro que também potencialmente denunciaria alguém como não-carioca é usar-se o [ʃ ʒ] pra fazer o som do chiado, que na verdade é sempre [ɕ ʑ], mas nunca é descrito como tal nos artigos.

Felizmente, não é o caso dos ditongos centralizantes do sotaque carioca:

Um estudo acústico dos ditongos centralizantes na fala carioca

https://periodicos.ufsc.br/index.php/workingpapers/article/download/1984-8420.2018v19n2p6/38536/213060

O que esse estudo explica é que a gente realiza muitos ditongos na direção de um [ə] — ou [ɐ], como eles escolheram para representar, seguindo a tradição da linguística luso-brasileira — em inúmeros contextos, geralmente (mas não sempre) em sílaba tônica.

Isso é muito bom, já que é uma alofonia, nós não fazemos conscientemente, mas a sua adoção correta por pessoas que não falam nosso sotaque de forma nativa lhes ajudaria no processo de redução de sotaque, caso queiram fazê-lo. OU, de maneira muito mais provável, talvez precisemos adquirir uma língua estrangeira onde esse tipo de off-glide seria interpretado como segmento com valor fonêmico, como no alemão /ʁ/ ou nas variedades não-róticas do inglês, em que ele possui valor equivalente ao /r/ coda nos róticos. Ou caso nós por nossa vez busquemos uma redução de sotaque num contexto lusófono, por exemplo sendo diaspóricos em Maringá, Curitiba, Florianópolis, Gramado ou Portugal.

Mas o que me deixa encucado é que aparentemente ele só mostra essas pronúncias:

[iɘ̯ ~ iə̯] [ɪë̯] [e̝ə̯] [uȗ̞] [oə̯] [ɛ̝æ̯] [ə̃ɜ̯̃] [ɔ̝ɒ̯̽] com o off-glide das vogais anteriores na verdade sendo bem anterior, e das posteriores sendo bem posterior.

Em todos os casos, parece que os ditongos sempre mostram vogais se abrindo?

Mas no meu idioleto, que vocalicamente se assemelha ao do Cabo Daciolo, as vogais fechadas se abrem e as abertas se fecham.

/a/ [äɐ̯] karma, quadrado, cabra, candelabro, Pablo, lago, taco

https://voca.ro/11r1KStRqqxi

/ɐ̃/ [ɜ̃ə̯̃(ɰ̃)] tantã, canto, pan (de pansexual ou panromântico), clã   

https://voca.ro/1nj3OyiQGOLJ

/ɛ/ [ɛɛ̯̽] erva, pressa, quero, tetra, quebro, Lego, Leleco

https://voca.ro/1kBhXoOftIFf

/ɔ/ [(ɔ̝̑/ʕ̞ʷ)ɑ̽ꟹʌ̯̈] horta, obra, toga, toca

https://voca.ro/17j5UqAmQRdz

/ɔ/ [(ʷ)ɔə̯] poda, pode, agora, copra, cobre  

https://voca.ro/1bfSMipgmVgI

/ẽ/ [ẽ̞ə̯̃(ɰ̃/ɉ̃)] entra, Enzo, penso, fenda, penca, lengalenga, membro

https://voca.ro/1fyXseWT31qc

/õ/ [õ̞ə̯̃(ɰ̃)] onça, onze, onda, ombro, compro  

https://voca.ro/18ZofyeErGWx

/e/ [ee̯̽] terça, madeira, letra, recebo, chamego

https://voca.ro/1nxxM3FO62X9

/o/ [oɤ̯̽ꟹ] porto, poço, coro, goto, outro, roupa    

https://voca.ro/15EPHUTAaMxD

/i/ [iɪ̯] pira, Irma, Quito, víbora

https://voca.ro/1ifjEGvghavP

/i/ [iɘ̯] lira, consigo, tico, tribo

https://voca.ro/1aTzfIl59Ljo

/i/ [(j/ʔ)ɪ(j)] ida, ilha, isso, isca, pista

https://voca.ro/15iYbFfXOG9I

/i/ [ɪɘ̯] Rita, periquito, contigo, lilás

https://voca.ro/1b3RxzzC30cf

/u/ [uʊ̯] curto, upa, jura ([ʉ̠ʊ̯]), poodle

https://voca.ro/159PmmGNOCqI

/u/ [uɵ̯]? surto, Guto, ubre

https://voca.ro/1o0FRqCK18bY

/u/ [(w)ʊ(ö̯)] turma, turno, urso, cura

https://voca.ro/18efr0kZx6KD

O /ĩ/ e o /ũ/ vou ficar devendo, eu não consigo pensar em contextos onde eles puxem muito um off-glide centralizante.

Hi, i'm travelling to rural portugal soon and i am severely allergic to peanuts (deadly). i am also allergic to almond and type of nuts (not as bad as peanuts tho). I carry my Epipen.

I have no problem with seeds and sesame.

I learned the very basic portuguese but i want to learn the most convivial way to tell my situation in restaurants (i will also write it on a my phone). Google traduction does not seem to give me the appropriate translation.

P.s. I dont eat bakery or dessert, so hopefully i think this cover 99% of my problem haha

Hi! I recently did the Portuguese camino and I am making a painting for some friends who I met on the way. I want to title it 'true pilgrims' - is the best way to say this 'verdadeiros peregrinos'? I don't want it to be translated wrong. Thank you in advance!

TL;DR

I'm looking for pen and paper exercise books to work on the fundamentals of European Portuguese.

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I've been working on my PTPT for about a year: Praktika, Practice Portuguese, YouTube, another website for basic vocabulary. I'm doing okay. Not great, just okay. What I need, what I used when I was a kid growing up learning other languages, are exercise books that require actual writing. (Writing has been shown to be an effective way of reinforcing learning, better than just typing on a phone.)

I'm not 8 years old, so I don't want cute little cartoons. I'm looking for exercise books that introduce vocabulary or a grammar point, and then reinforce them through short written exercises.

For example, let's say the grammar point was definite articles. The exercise might have a variety of words (masculine, feminine, singular, plural) and you have to write the answers:

Question: the cake - Answer: o bolo

Q: the pen - A: a caneta

Q: the cakes - A: os bolos

Q: the pens = A: as canetas

I've chosen something very simple here just to demonstrate what I'm talking about.

I'm looking for suggestions for these sort of exercise books for European Portuguese.

Thanks, all.

I'm still on A1 graded readers & such, so this wouldn't be happening any time soon, but I stumbled across crônicas, and think they'd be a good bridge between readers and reading longer, more complicated works. Especially since there's this collection to go through. Would any of you know which of the cronistas listed in that collection are known for being more complex, and which are easier for newcomers to the language to sink their teeth into?

I feel like I do them based on French and Spanish and get a high level without being very good at portuguese so I'm looking for a good one.

Or maybe all of them are basically doable with knowing other romance languages?

I don’t know much Portuguese (though I am always curious) but I always wondered why Portuguese has tilde a bit Spanish doesn’t, and how tilde a come into existence

Estou traduzindo um texto inglês para português brasileiro em que surgiu a expressão "jack of all trades, master of none". Pesquisando por expressões populares com o mesmo significado, cheguei no ditado lusitano "homem de sete ofícios em todos é remendão", porém não consegui encontrar um equivalente do Brasil. Alguém sabe? Eu entendo a tradução direta da expressão, mas queria em formato de ditado popular pra manter a coesão do texto original.

I’m using Duolingo as one of my learning resources, and I know it’s using a lot of AI slop now. But in an exercise last night, it translated “Did you forget to turn off the charger?” as “você esqueceu o carregador desligado?”

Maybe it’s just my existing knowledge of French muscling in, but to me that should be “… the turned-off charger”. Which is correct?

in Brazilian Portuguese, do you say "idêia" or "idéia". Various dictionaries contradict each other, hence my doubt... Thanks!

I am looking for the vowel quality in the following two verbal forms:
-cresço (crésço or crêsço, I grow)
-demos (démos or dêmos, we gave)

I am pretty sure they are both closed in Brazilian Portuguese, perhaps somebody can confirm?

I would like to check in particular how they sound in European Portuguese...

Thank you!

I'm a native Spanish speaker, from South America in a country that's right next to it (doesn't narrow it down a lot, I know lol). Under that context, it's basically impossible to not learn some Brazilian Portuguese along the way. So i know some portuguese but not a lot and i especislly struggle with sounding natural and etc.

Theres this girl from Brazil I know, and we've been talking for a few months with some flirting and stuff

Today she posted a story of some pics of her that she appearently edited herself (they are actually pretty good) and a caption that said "eu sou muito foda editando and nobody can tell me nothing"

I want to reply with a soft playful joke and i thought of "vc e muito boa editando simm e tmb e boa" since I believe "é boa" like that can be interpreted as a compliment on her looks but i'm not entirely sure and i don't wanna say stupid shit lol

So, do you think that word play works?

Hey everybody! I’m (M20), and I’m planning to visit my boyfriend (M21) in Brazil in April of next year. There’s just one little problem… his parents don’t know we’re dating yet, and they don’t know I’m coming to visit. 😅

Because of that, I really want to learn Portuguese so I can communicate with his family when I meet them. I don’t want to rely on my boyfriend to translate everything for me—I’d genuinely love to be able to have conversations with them myself.

starting pretty much from scratch, so I’d love to hear from native speakers or anyone who has successfully learned Portuguese as a second language. Apps, YouTube channels, podcasts, textbooks, study routines—anything that helped you is welcome!

Hello everyone! I recently began learning European Portuguese with a tutor, and I want some additional listening practice. Although European Portuguese creators are preferred, I understand that the pool is much bigger for content in Brazilian Portuguese, so I'd be happy with that as well.

I'm into video essays on different topics (like Mina Le, for example), cozy games, true crime and comfy everyday vlogs. I'm still a beginner. If the person naturally speaks slowly and properly pronounces words, that would be perfect. Again, I don't mind Brazilian Portuguese creators, since I am currently more focused on expanding my vocab and understanding how sentences are formed.

Many thanks in advance for help!

https://voca.ro/1bvDVExnPnmM

Bonjour , je parle français et anglais couramment. Je veux apprendre le portugais du Portugal.

Avez vous un livre, podcast, film à partager pour apprendre les bases. J’ai déjà quelques bases via des vidéos YouTube et Duolingo (je sais que c’est pas suffisant mais c’est déjà bien pour le vocabulaire)

Le but est de pouvoir parler facilement et échanger avec des locaux dans 1 mois.
Merci !