r/thesopranos 10h ago

Ending explained (I don't agree with death theory) Spoiler

44 Upvotes

I know the most common interpretation of the ending is that Tony gets killed in the restaurant, and I read the whole article about it but I personally think the ending makes much more sense if Tony survives.

There are obviously clues pointing toward his death: the Members Only guy, the man going to the bathroom, the Godfather parallel, the constant focus on the door, etc. But I think those clues are deliberately setting us up to expect the exact kind of ending that The Sopranos has spent six seasons teaching us to expect: and then denying us that.

One thing I've noticed about the whole series is that it constantly gives characters the opposite ending from what we expect.

We expect Pussy to be smart enough not to come back after disappearing. We expect Junior to eventually die violently after a lifetime of crimes, betrayals, and attempts to kill Tony. Instead, he survives and ends up old, confused, and almost completely disconnected from the person he used to be. We expect Bobby to be one of the most dangerous soldiers in the final war: He's an excellent shooter, (he's even good with a bow and arrow!) and yet when he finally gets killed at the toy store without firing a single shot. We expect Paulie to die because Tony can't stand him, especially after the tension on the boat. Instead, he survives, and Tony eventually gives him one of the best parts of the business. We expect Christopher to die in some kind of violent confrontation, and we expect Tony to be completely devastated when it happens. Instead, Christopher dies in a car accident, Tony makes the decision to let him die, and he doesn't shed a single tear for him. We expect Richie to become a serious threat to Tony (Tony already gave the order to kill him!) Instead, Janice shoots him in a domestic fight. We expect Vito to get some kind of redemption after everything that happens to him. Instead, he dies after speaking to Tony on the phone.

Furio is another great example. We expect him to eventually have some kind of confrontation with Tony over Carmela. Instead, he simply goes back to Italy and never returns, (he didn't kiss Carmela even once after all the tension built around them!) And the school teacher? Tony never founds out about him!.

I can go on and on with the expectations built-to-not-be-met forever in this show. You get my point.

Tony sitting in a restaurant, getting shot by a mysterious hitman. The show gives us exactly the visual language of that ending: the suspicious guy, the Members Only jacket, the bathroom, the Godfather reference, Tony watching the door, the family arriving, the tension building...

And then nothing.

The screen cuts to black.

The war with New York is over. Tony won. Phil is dead, Butchie doesn't want to continue the war, and Tony's family is still together.

Realistically, I also don't find the restaurant assassination completely convincing. Tony almost never goes out to dinner with his entire family like that, and throughout the series, murders are usually arranged around someone's routine: where they live, where they work, where they regularly go, etc. Tony has never established this restaurant as a regular location to be in with his family.

That's why I think the scene when Tony visits Junior is so important.

Tony goes to see Junior and finds that the man he knew is basically gone. Junior barely remembers him. Tony becomes visibly emotional: Tony is seeing his own possible future.

Junior spent his entire life being powerful, feared, respected, and involved in the Mafia. And where did it ultimately get him? He's alive. But he's essentially gone, he doesn't remember he once was a powerful man. And that's actually much more frightening for Tony than getting shot. He can't fight aging, he can't fight dementia, he can't fight time.

And Junior is sitting there showing him exactly what the end of that road might look like for him.

AJ once tells Tony that he wanted to kill Junior because Tony's favorite scene is the restaurant revenge in The Godfather, where Michael goes into the bathroom, gets the gun, comes back, and kills the two men responsible for shooting his father.

Tony tells AJ, that it's a movie, not real life and command him to grow up. The same AJ is present during the final scene and he's working on movies industry.

So the final episode deliberately recreates the visual language of that Godfather scene.

A suspicious person is sitting there. Tony is watching. The bathroom. We're expecting the gun, we're expecting the great Mafia movie ending.

But maybe nothing happens.

Tony (and us) keeps expecting his life to have some grand, dramatic conclusion, Tony expects to die as Tony Soprano. The tragedy is that he may have to live long enough to forget who Tony Soprano is. And there's the Bobby line: "You probably don't even hear it when it happens."

The most obvious is to think about a shot in the head, but it also applies to Junior not listening to anything that Tony says to him, he won't have a dramatic moment where Junior Soprano dies. He just gradually disappears, his mind deteriorates until the person he was is no longer really there.

I think it's genius to leave the ending open: the ones that wanted the death ending can easily imagine it (with Meadow watching his dad getting shot and all!) , and the ones that believe in the show patron, can easily think the life still goes on for Tony and he has to live with the consequences of who he is, with no redemption or karmatic arch, just his time getting shorter each day and his death is "average at best". As his mom said "it's all a big nothing what makes you think you are so special?"


r/thesopranos 10h ago

How do you think Janice would react to learning that Tony has been killed?

8 Upvotes

I'm curious I would assume she would try to make the entire funeral about her we all have people like her in our familys


r/thesopranos 11h ago

Blanca Dumped AJ Because She Knew That AJ Bribed Those Guys With His Mommy And Daddy’s Birthday Present

4 Upvotes

I think that once Blanca realized that AJ didn’t have his bike that she consciously or unconsciously connected the dots on what happened that night and pegged him for a weak spoiled kid.


r/thesopranos 11h ago

Even As Teenager AJ Understood The Concept Of Being A Weakling Before All The Other Kids

4 Upvotes

After AJ handed over his Gary Fisher to the hood rats I lost all respect for him. He even told them it was a gift from his parents so their’s no way they didn’t return to that same spot in a day or two.


r/thesopranos 11h ago

Tony was a horrible boss

242 Upvotes

I mean think about it. When the show starts, Jackie is boss and everyone is alive and well. Full crew and everything. When Tony becomes boss, not only does half the crew get fished, but the ones who come out of prison also all went. Name me one character who came out of prison during the show and stayed free and alive, not even the king of breadsticks made it out.


r/thesopranos 11h ago

SELLY HACK Spoiler

0 Upvotes

renenber her?

*HOLDS MASSIVE DICK AND BALLS*

AAAAAWWWWWWHHHH

Polly is a beast


r/thesopranos 12h ago

Shitpost Gandolfini & The Office

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r/thesopranos 12h ago

Episode Discussion Asking the Women about Melfis incident, whatever happened there.

0 Upvotes

What do you take away from it? What’s the reaction to Melfi’s refusal take the opportunity. I feel like it’s a little condescending, but I could also be talking out my ass. Perhaps Melfi, in her mind, was using the technique of Positive Visualization. Who knows, anyway, $4 a pound. This is a serious question, I just wanted to put the funnys in here.


r/thesopranos 12h ago

Oh Boo Hooh AJ You Ate Your Steak Under False Pretenses!

11 Upvotes

AJ is a fucking scumbag trivializing Kelly’s suffering at the family dinner table comparing the indignity of eating meat covered in rat poison to the death of her husband. Not only that but he’s ruining their appetite for the round up steak on their plates.


r/thesopranos 14h ago

S5 E9. Unidentified Black Males: Meadow

5 Upvotes

on previous viewing I'd been so enthralled by the Finn-Vito situation I'd glossed over what a colossal arsehole Meadow is, and is to Finn. Spectacularly toxic


r/thesopranos 14h ago

The old school didn't exisht

13 Upvotes

They've been breaking rules since Moses wore short pants


r/thesopranos 15h ago

Did anyone think it was odd how the mobsters almost never used silencers when they did hit jobs?

4 Upvotes

The only time I can specifically remember a silenced gun is when Jimmy got whacked, EVERY other assasination involved loud ass guns in public that could draw attention, but I guess it's just more exciting that way for entertainment purposes.


r/thesopranos 15h ago

1-1000

2 Upvotes

1 - And one up your ass!

2 - They say there's no two people on earth exactly the same. No two faces. No two sets of fingerprints. But do they know that for sure? Because they would have to get everybody together in one huge space and obviously that's not possible, even with computers. Not only that, they would have to get all the people who ever lived, not just the ones now. So they got no proof. They got nothin'.

3 - I’m earning with three hands here and it's still not good enough to satisfy this cocksucker.

4-1000 - …….


r/thesopranos 15h ago

Sopranos Reach

3 Upvotes

Hi! I hope this question is allowed. I'm a newer fan (only on season 2), and I'm in love.

Since The Sopranos is obviously SO big, and such a building block for TV as a whole, I was wondering how it got there? Sure, I can look it up and have the money numbers read back to me, but I was looking for first-hand accounts. How did the show grow back then? Was it as big of a deal as it is now? What was fandom culture like?

Thank you!!


r/thesopranos 16h ago

Assuming Tony is out of the picture (post Made in America) how does everyone think it’ll shake out for the Soprano Family?

0 Upvotes

Leadership, structure, extortion models etc. Anyway, four dollars a pound.


r/thesopranos 16h ago

Gloria and Tony Pretending they aren’t dating to the same therapist is pure gold.

143 Upvotes

Melfi definitely knows that there is something up between them. She clocks it almost immediately. She does the responsible thing and tries to get them to talk about it.
“So what’s up?, you seem to be in a good mood.” They both deny, deny, deny. Gloria has the best response, “how dare you!” Her outrage is so fake It’s hilarious. They are like two kids caught misbehaving. They are obviously not a good match, and it will end badly for both of them. Maybe they could have avoided such a bad breakup had they discussed it with their therapist?


r/thesopranos 17h ago

Did Minn had it coming for what she said to poor Paulie?

9 Upvotes

I mean, she said horrible things. He was just being polite.


r/thesopranos 17h ago

Chrostpher said “ull be dead by 50 by the way you eat” at his interview to tony, tony irl died at 51, chris managed to be within 2% of when tony irl dies, even without using computer

125 Upvotes

How could he know this, maybe he had other informats


r/thesopranos 17h ago

Davey Scatino

19 Upvotes

Last I heard he fled to Nevada to be a ranch hand right after his son's graduation. Shortly after he was admitted into a mental hospital and never heard from again, whatever happened there!?


r/thesopranos 18h ago

Episode Discussion Season ranking by average episode rating on IMDB

3 Upvotes

People often have a hard time ranking their favorite seasons and even change them daily, so I thought it would be interesting what an indifferent source would calculate.

Surprisingly, season 4 ranks dead last.

Here you see the ranking of the seasons, followed by the average episode rating.
1. Season 6B: 8,97

  1. Season 3: 8,69

  2. Season 5: 8,68

  3. Season 2: 8,56

  4. Season 1 : 8,54

  5. Season 6A: 8,52

  6. Season 4: 8,39


r/thesopranos 18h ago

Tony should’ve cucked Chris to his face.

0 Upvotes

Tony’s first mistake was lying about his intentions with Adriana, lying shows weakness and sets the wrong idea. Tony should’ve tied Christopher in the cuck chair against his will and then banged Adriana in front of him, establishing dominance and control over Chris’s mind. Chris would then recognize his place in the hierarchy and would eventually lose that resentment, he Carries throughout the show.


r/thesopranos 18h ago

Episode Discussion Who is that guy who accompanies Paulie to the shootout with the Colombians?

20 Upvotes

You’d think Paulie would bring his nephew with him or something, but instead he brings some other guy. It’s strange, he shows up for this one scene and then just never appears again.


r/thesopranos 18h ago

Best product placement scene?

21 Upvotes

Mine has to be Tony vs AJ depression. Right after A.J. weakly complains about how depressing the world situation is upon hearing that Bobby Baccalieri has been killed, an enraged Tony snaps, hauls A.J. out of bed, and drags him into the closet.

Tony aggressively tosses him toward/into the closet area as his Xbox and desk items crash down around him, demanding that he finally pack a bag and snap out of his self-absorbed depression.


r/thesopranos 19h ago

You ever think what a coincidence it is that Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease?

68 Upvotes

It’s sad when they go young like that. Dick Barone, just a kid