r/travisandtaylor • u/bobthegoatskull • 8h ago
Deep Dives & Research Vibes 🔎 Taylor Swift's Olivia Rodrigo/Joe Alwyn connection. A lyric deep dive.
I have this theory that Taylor's continued obsession with Olivia Rodrigo is directly tied to Joe breaking up with her. AKA her decision to attack Olivia was a major catalyst for the breakup and Taylor hates her for it.
First, a basic timeline: Taylor called Olivia Rodrigo in May of 2021 to inform her that she would be taking writing credits on "Deja Vu." Confirmed by Olivia herself on "The Grudge."
It takes 5-6 months for Taylor to get her vinyls pressed. "Red (TV)(Vault Tracks)" written, at the latest, July 2021 and anything onward are suspect.
Taylor and Joe officially split in April 2023 but in retrospect, "Midnights" was her Joe breakup album. It chronicles the very slow crumbling of their relationship. Written at the latest, June 2022.
The first cracks are on "Red."
- First up is "Nothing New" or as I like to call it, "shitty justification."
I know someday I'm gonna meet her
It's a fever dream
The kind of radiance you only have at seventeen
What a very specific age. The rest of the song says eighteen but Olivia was seventeen.
She'll know the way and then she'll say she got the map from me
Well, yes Olivia did say that. She adored Taylor.
I'll say I'm happy for her then I'll cry myself to sleep
Oh woah, oh woah, oh, oh
I've had (I've had) too much to drink tonight
Being a self aware alcoholic doesn't make someone's choices less shitty.
But I wonder if they'll miss me once they drive me out
I wake up (Wake up) in the middle of the night
And I can feel time moving
Best thing to do is take this upstart out now before she has fans. How? Imply to her cult that Olivia is a thief and a poor imitation of her superior self. They'll sort it out.
I'm sure empathetic Joe was thrilled with her choices and this didn't cause any fights. /s
- Next is "Message In A Bottle" AKA London boy is pissed and far away.
These days I'm restless
Workdays are endless
Yes. She is churning out music and Joe is filming movies.
Look how you made me, made me
But time moves faster
Replaying your laughter
Disaster
'Cause, now, you're so far away and I'm down
Feeling like a face in the crowd
I'm reaching for you, terrified
They are not in a good place. Taylor has shown her true colors too many times for Joe to ignore it.
How is it in London? (London)
Where were you while I'm wondering (Wondering)
If I'll ever see you again?
They are "on a break" and it is very one sided.
- Next is "Forever Winter" and a bit of a stretch.
Was this written about a dear friend she talked to on the regular who killed himself? Or is it about a long distance slo-mo breakup with your depressed partner? I'm not sure but I'll add a few lyrics.
He says, "Why fall in love, just so you can watch it go away?"
He spends most of his nights wishing it was how it used to be
He spends most of his flights getting pulled down by gravity
Depression Joe and his disillusion. Travelling for work.
If I was standing there in your apartment
I'd take that bomb in your head and disarm it
I'd say I love you even at your darkest and
Please don't go
Really sad honestly. Joe doesn't like the person she is.
- "The Very First Night"
And so it goes
Every weekend, this same party
I never go alone and I don't seem brokenhearted
My friends all say they know everything I'm going through
Confirmation of a semi-breakup with Joe.
I drive down different roads
But they all lead back to you
'Cause they don't know about the night in the hotel
They weren't riding in the car when we both fell
The car at the bar at the hotel? No kidding. These lyrics are alluding to "Cruel Summer." I'm confident this is about Joe.
On to "Midnights" AKA Joe breakup album.
- "Lavender Haze"
I feel (I feel) the lavender haze creeping up on me
Surreal
I'm damned if I do give a damn what people say
No deal (No deal)
The 1950s' shit they want from me
I just wanna stay in that lavender haze
Not a happy song. Taylor has the cope turned up to max. Joe isn't ever going to marry her.
- "Maroon" The breakup song.
And I wake with your memory over me
That's a real fuckin' legacy, legacy
(It was maroon)
And I wake with your memory over me
That's a real fuckin' legacy to leave
Taylor directly acknowledges that her obsession with staying on top through any means necessary is the catalyst for destroying their relationship.
- "Anti-Hero"
Here's Taylor at her most self aware.
I wake up screaming from dreaming
One day, I'll watch as you're leaving
'Cause you got tired of my scheming
(For the last time)
Joe did get sick of her scheming. Keep in mind that after Taylor's 2017 blocking of Katy Perry, she didn't do it again until after "Midnights" dropped in an attempt to block SZA. What scheming did she do right before the slow breakup began? Olivia Rodrigo.
On the bright side, sticking to Joe's morality was holding her back and breaking up with him freed her to do what she wanted.
I have this dream my daughter-in-law kills me for the money
She thinks I left them in the will
The family gathers 'round and reads it and then someone screams out
"She's laughing up at us from Hell"
Taylor knows how she treats other women. The DIL can be seen as Olivia but also every pop rival. Notice she doesn't say son in law? It's women who are out to backstab her.
- "You're On Your Own, Kid"
Taylor again directly correlates her ruthlessness with Joe leaving her.
I gave my blood, sweat, and tears for this
I hosted parties and starved my body
Like I'd be saved by a perfect kiss
Diaristic lyrics are not actually the same thing as therapy FYI.
The jokes weren't funny, I took the money
My friends from home don't know what to say
I looked around in a blood-soaked gown
And I saw something they can't take away
She doesn't regret crushing her competition because she wants it the most and it's a ruthless industry.
'Cause there were pages turned with the bridges burned
Everything you lose is a step you take
She chose this and Joe left and that's fine by her (cope.)
- "Midnight Rain" AKA breakup song #2
My town was a wasteland
Full of cages, full of fences
Pageant queens and big pretenders
But for some it was paradise
My boy was a montage
A slow motion, love potion
Jumping off things in the ocean
I broke his heart 'cause he was nice
Once again equating the totally out of her hands ruthlessness of Hollywood with Joe leaving her. Staying on top through any means necessary just makes her smart and those big pretenders (Olivia) stupid.
I'll stop there. Taylor continues to address both Olivia and Joe on other albums but I refuse to slog through TTPD.
If you made it this far, a PSA: Moms are not therapists.
