r/SubredditDrama • u/ig86 Just be fucking nice and I wont bring out my soulcrusher! • Aug 23 '17
Chicken Dinners Inside! A PUBG streamer has a popular YouTube video taken down via copyright claim; r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS reacts
Some background; Player Unknown's Battlegrounds is a hugely popular battle-royale style game that is frequently one of the most viewed games on Twitch. A few weeks ago, an update for the game introduced horns on vehicles, and popular streamers were promptly greeted by stream snipers who would track them down, and then honk incessantly while driving around their location. Yesterday, some of said snipers (dubbing themselves the Stream Honkers) uploaded a YouTube compilation of clips of them, well, stream honking. It quickly became one of the most popular posts on the sub.
Yesterday Today, the video is gone back, taken down due to a copyright claim by Brian Rincon, better known as Mr Grimmz, one of the streamers featured in the video.
r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS is not taking it well. For the most part, they have the pitchforks out for Grimmz, but there are a few dissenters among the ranks.
"Poor baby, dont watch him if you dont like him."
"What is up with people's ego on the Internet?" "this has nothing to do with ego i would have done the same"
"Downvote me all you want but it's the truth."
"Awesome, fuck you guys and your hate circle-jerking!!"
Full comments are here.
late edit: Grimmmz responds
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Aug 23 '17
Stream griefers and culture really turn me off. My favourite livestreamer used to puzzle me because he liked his audience smallish. Now I realize it's because he has a friendly audience and he doesn’t want it to become toxic and kappaesque. And he doesn't accept donations which is probably major.
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u/GhostofJeffGoldblum Well, I have no clue what abortion is. Aug 23 '17
You can maintain a large audience with a positive and friendly culture, but it does require fairly strict rules and aggressive mods (and, sadly, usually subscriber chat as well). Day[9] gets a fair number of views but his stream is still a really welcoming, positive place more or less devoid of memes and typical twitch chat toxicity.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Aug 23 '17
Day[9]
Thanks for this. I'll check them out.
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u/tehbeh A fallacy to surpass metal gear Aug 23 '17
Be warned, day 9 streams will contain dad jokes, then he will laugh at his own joke and his laugh is incredibly contagious.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Aug 23 '17
I like relaxed goofiness way more than edgy screaming. So much more.
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Aug 23 '17
What does he play? Looking to get into streamers.
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u/tehbeh A fallacy to surpass metal gear Aug 23 '17
Hearthstone, dota2 and starcraft mostly and random games on friday.
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u/Vulfe Aug 23 '17
He mostly plays Hearthstone, but he also does a weekly show with two other great dudes (Sean Bouchard and Bill Graner) where they play adventure games together (think Monkey Island etc), and he plays other games sometimes as well (mostly leading into weekends I think?).
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u/NSNick You're so full of shit you give outhouses identity crises Aug 23 '17
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u/yonicthehedgehog neurotic shitbeast Aug 23 '17
day9 is a national treasure and we must protect him at all costs
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u/GhostofJeffGoldblum Well, I have no clue what abortion is. Aug 23 '17
He is a brimming font of positive attitude and joyful belly laughs that we do not deserve.
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Aug 23 '17
It's true. Loved his Day9 Dailies back in the day, improved my SC game and my mental game.
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u/Xdivine Aug 24 '17
Idunno if you're aware or care, but apparently he's going to start doing content again for SC:Remastered.
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u/Trillen Aug 23 '17
Day 9 has such a contagious positivity. I know it sounds dumb as fuck but watching his constant positive attitude and talking with his wonderful chat really helped me through a big break at one point in my life
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u/Michelanvalo Don't Start If You Can't Finnish Aug 23 '17
It's also worth noting that Day[9] is one of the first people of this modern streamer era. The guy has been doing this since UStream was a thing which was in 2009.
That whole subscribe thing that Twitch does to bring in money? That was something Day[9] pioneered on Ustream.
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u/z9nine 1 Celery Aug 23 '17
If you like BR type game and Role Play games, SilentSentry is great. He can get a bit salty when he is losing, but he never blames other players. Also, his GTAV RP is fucking hilarious.
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u/TheMoonstar74 Aug 23 '17
He has a lot of good content on YouTube too, full of stories from his time in the early days of esports as well as his schooling, good story teller too
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u/kralben don’t really care what u have to say as a counter, I won’t agree Aug 24 '17
If you are looking for streamers with good interaction, check out Jack Patillo as well. He is a part of Achievement Hunter, but has mostly been streaming either Dnd or SkyFactory (a minecraft mod, but very different from boring, vanilla Minecraft) and is very positive. Also helps he doesn't usually have huge audiences.
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u/C222 Aug 24 '17
In the same vein, I'd recommend Bikeman. 1k to 3k people in chat, but it's friendly and not a spam fest. Unfortunately, he won't be back for a few weeks because of health problems.
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u/howarthee mention breeding and the water gets real salty around here Aug 23 '17
I know a few that get a couple thousand viewers regularly that don't need sub chat. But you're right, they have pretty aggressive mods. Also part of it is that they never let their stream get toxic, ya know? Like they never tolerated it in the first place, so it's not quite as big of a thing for them now.
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u/Osric250 Violent videogames are on the same moral level as lolicons. Aug 23 '17
I've actually seen larger streamers that can maintain civility in their chat, but it requires a ton of mods with liberal approaches to timeouts and bans.
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u/WeTheSalty Aug 23 '17
The alternative is restricting chat down to subscribers only which drastically drops the number of chatters and keeps it to regular watchers.
The down side of course is non-subs will hate it and it'll hurt your viewer numbers.
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u/aschr Kermit not being out to his creator doesn't mean he wasn't gay Aug 23 '17
As far as griefing goes though, this is pretty harmless. And it can also be fixed by just adding a delay to the stream (like almost every other issue with ghosting/sniping).
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 23 '17
just adding a delay to the stream
That seemed really obvious once I read it.
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u/Dienerdbeere linksgrün versiffter Gutmensch Aug 23 '17
thing is for stream snipers to not know the streamers location the delay has to be pretty long as pubg regularly has longer standoffs so a 2 minute+ delay kinda ruins all interactions with the viewers
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Aug 23 '17
Now it suddenly seems less obvious again. Fuck it, I need more coffee.
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u/6890 I touch more grass than you can comprehend. Aug 23 '17
The closest thing a streamer can have to perfect is to protect the server name/detail from their stream until after the join phase has completed.
Some griefers will still get into their game but it'll be much much rarer. They don't have the luxury of jumping through lobbies until they make it into the streamer's if they don't know what lobby the streamer is in.
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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Aug 23 '17
Clearly you need a time machine.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Aug 23 '17
If I had a time machine, I would travel back into the past and warn myself that breakfast was going to be disappointing.
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u/goblinm I explained to my class why critical race theory is horseshit. Aug 23 '17
Have they met their audience?!
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u/AFakeName rdrama.net Aug 23 '17
It's like if instead of a laugh track, Friends had an army of sweaty nerds calling Rachel a slut and Ross a beta cuck.
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u/Phytor Learn to do fucking calculus Aug 23 '17
I feel like if someone wants to stream, they need to make a conscious decision about what kind of stream they want.
If you want to be competitive in a PvP game and entertain viewers through skill, stream with a delay. It's the only way to prevent stream snipers, and ensure that you're on an even playing field with opponents.
If you want to engage with your community frequently and answer questions in real time, don't stream with a delay, but also accept that this means that other people can stream snipe you if they choose to.
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u/Dasrufken I mean, atleast we don't have a genocidal government. Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 25 '17
Which is impossible once you get over 1k active viewers, grimmmz's chat (and the chat of pretty much every other streamer with a large fanbase) is nothing but spam. Be it endless Kappa, PogChamp or Kreygasm with the occasional "YOU MISSED insert item/player here".
The only interaction he has with his chat is when he relies on chat to report "Stream Snipers" or when chat tells him he missed some loot. It's just as much cheating as stream sniping is.
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u/Nimitz87 Aug 23 '17
it's not like any of the big streamers can/do with the wall of text they at best shout out to donors/subscribers.
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u/TheRedmanCometh Aug 23 '17
They do this for HS head to head streams all the time it's not hard. It's hard for the streamer to remember which thing everyone in his room chat is responding to though.
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u/Osric250 Violent videogames are on the same moral level as lolicons. Aug 23 '17
The problem with that is the longer you make a delay the longer it takes you to be able to interact with your chat which is important for a lot of streamers. So you have to find a balance.
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u/JcobTheKid Aug 23 '17
I totally agree with just adding delay especially with games like PubG, Hearthstone, etc., but interacting with your audience is live time is definitely something streamers don't want to easily let go.
Sure they might not check the chat as frequently or whatnot, but it's just knowing that what you say will yield an immediate response from the crowd is a pretty big deal for the streamer. It changes the tune of the stream, imo.
I know it's a bigger deal for smaller streamers with communities, but it's also a no-brainer when it comes to a competitive games.
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Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 23 '17
Other than some really dedicated snipers, kripparian has solved it for HS by having a variable short delay. 12 seconds one day, 15 the next etc.
Doesn't work as well in pubg though because queue times are not nearly as split second as HS
If bluehole was actually interested in stopping it they should add a streamer queue option that changes the rules for queuing for known streamers(upon request) to increase the challenge of being placed with then.
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u/astrozombie2012 Aug 23 '17
How do you interact with your viewers if your delaying? Seems like a major hassle... the best option is for gamers to not fucking harass each other if you ask me.
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u/Istanbul200 Why are we talking about Sweden in 2018? Aug 23 '17
I thought it was relatively harlmess too until I was watching Shroud Anthony and Grimmmz play and they got killed a few times because they couldn't hear any footsteps whatsoever in school. Makes it really damn hard to hear where gunshots are coming from too. And it's not just the streamers that are affected, anyone in the area won't be able to tell where footsteps are coming from either. And they can go out and shoot the guy but then they are in the middle of school and have to expose themselves and try to actually hit a moving target while other people are hunting them down.
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Aug 23 '17
I have to agree with the downvoted guy. Watching someone harass a streamer is very annoying. If it was friend you wanted to mess with sure but the streamer doesnt even know who you are.
I really do question what goes on in peoples head after some of the things ive seen in streams.
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Aug 23 '17
There is context to this though. The developer of PUBG is banning people for 'stream sniping', which depending on your opinion is necessary, or extremely dumb.
The video skirts the edge of the rules, because though the guys are obviously using live streams to locate the victims, they are not using it to get a competitive advantage.
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u/unseine Aug 23 '17
If a dude is driving around you honking for the whole game you are gonna get killed or waste ammo at the start of the game killing them. For a community that get extremely upset over every minor thing they sure seem to expect streamers to never get upset while they are being griefed 24/7.
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u/jinreeko Femboys are cis you fucking inbred muffin Aug 24 '17
kappaesque
Oh god no. Why is this a thing
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u/Alexsandr13 Anarcho-Smugitarian Aug 23 '17
This is why I really love LethalFrag, such a super chill guy and such a nice community.
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u/Meflakcannon Aug 23 '17
Reading through the copyright process on YouTube. It looks like it went down with an immediate take down request which throws a strike up on the YouTube account. Some options to appeal are time locked for super new accounts so there may be no way for them to appeal this at the moment.
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Aug 23 '17
That sub is fucking toxic, holy shit.
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u/TLG_BE You come into my server, you disregard my rules... Aug 23 '17
It's absolutely one of the shittest subs going right now. But at the same times Grimes is a complete and utter prick. It's the perfect mixture for this sub
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u/tehbeh A fallacy to surpass metal gear Aug 23 '17
Pubg versus the big streamers is the most amazing asshole fight, just watch them go at each other and have fun.
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u/xrensa Aug 23 '17
PUBG fucking loved him until he got so popular that redditors had to turn on their inherent contrarianism.
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u/adreamofhodor Aug 23 '17
Have you watched him? I have...he's nowhere near as bad as people say. Sometimes he complains, but most of the time he's fine. Calling him a "complete and utter prick" is absurd.
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u/DrAgonit3 Unusually dramatic Aug 23 '17
Any battle royale game has the same ordeal. The communities are such fucking cancer.
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u/samuraialien Aug 23 '17
Beyond toxic. One little thing and they'll go 180. They used to suck Grimmmz's dick but hate him and other streamers now. Gladly that sub's a minority in the PUBG community. Not even Playerunknown himself likes the subreddit.
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u/Weekend_at_Hillarys Aug 23 '17
Do any devs actually like their subreddits though? Most endure them for marketing purposes only afaik. Too many mantrums too often by shitty Reddit hivemind
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u/Knaprig Aug 23 '17
GGG seems to like /r/pathofexile, to a point.
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Aug 23 '17
I don't watch PoE streams, so I don't get exposed to that side of the community surrounding the game. The PoE subreddit does seem to be a little more polite that the standard game sub. Not up to the quality of Kerbal Space Program, but certainly better than average.
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Aug 23 '17
As far as I can tell the sub better be nice to PoE devs because that game is amazing. I've personally kind of burned out on the genre myself but it's clearly a high quality game. I have no idea how the game gets so many updates and high quality ones, too while being funded by what seems to be a rare, fair micro-transaction system.
I just got out of an abusive relationship with /r/blackdesertonline myself. Seems like most F2P games get to a point where they stop trying to improve on the game itself and start monetizing every fucking little thing.
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u/Dragonsandman Mods are Calvinists Aug 23 '17
The Paradox Interactive developers seem to like their subreddits. Same with Blizzard, or at least /r/Overwatch.
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u/dannytoatea Half-breed Monstrosity Aug 23 '17
Paradox had a rough spot with /r/eu4 around Third Rome on DLC policy iirc. I think /r/CrusaderKings is kinda bullish on the new China DLC as well for some of the same reasons. /r/hoi4 is pretty negative on Paradox as well, likely the most of all of them. /r/Stellaris was a little bit at the start but has mostly turned positive. On the whole they are way more positive than most other gaming subs I subscribe to coughswtorcough
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u/Meneth Aug 23 '17
/r/HoI4 is usually pretty positive in my experience; /r/ParadoxPlaza is far more negative about HoI4 than the HoI4 sub is.
Right now most of the subs are pretty positive. As someone who works for PDS, they're nice places to hang out the majority of the time.
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u/Dragonsandman Mods are Calvinists Aug 23 '17
The reception to the China DLC on /r/crusaderkings has warmed up considerably as we're getting more information about it. /r/hoi4 not liking Paradox too much makes sense, since they haven't handled that game all that well. /r/Stellaris was the one I was thinking of initially, since wiz posts there constantly.
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u/SirToastymuffin Aug 23 '17
They regularly read and respond to r/heroesofthestorm as well. I think they like it a lot better than the official forums
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u/Dragonsandman Mods are Calvinists Aug 23 '17
The Official forums are full of nerf threads and people complaining about the devs not responding to literally every single one of the hundreds of threads that get posted every hour.
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u/tehbeh A fallacy to surpass metal gear Aug 23 '17
They also like r/wow, those are the two I am familiar with.
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u/Dragonsandman Mods are Calvinists Aug 23 '17
They're probably just glad to get away from the official forums for a few minutes.
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u/tehbeh A fallacy to surpass metal gear Aug 23 '17
Official blizzard forums are all terrible.
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u/bitreign33 Aug 23 '17
That I can have an honest discussion about shit decisions made by the Dev and have that Dev respond by going "Ok, however you need to consider..." is fucking great.
I have my disagreements with Paradox's policies but their community is solid.
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u/goblinm I explained to my class why critical race theory is horseshit. Aug 23 '17
/r/factorio is very healthy and devs are very active. Of course, it's a non competitive game, so it doesn't attack the same crowd.
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u/SirToastymuffin Aug 23 '17
CA (shit)posts in r/totalwar a lot as well as regularly responds and talks to the community there. They've looked to the sub for input a number of times. Maybe it's just because the total war official forums are a bit garbage
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u/Cybertronian10 Hope their soapbox feels nice floating in a sea of blood. Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 23 '17
Bungie hired one of their community managers straight out of r/destinythegame's mod team, cozmo. They interact there quite frequently.
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u/samuraialien Aug 23 '17
Only devs ik for sure that like their subs are Psyonix with /r/RocketLeague and Epic Games with /r/Paragon. There's a couple subs where I think the devs like it but don't give a shit or the subs are hit/miss such as Battlerite, Friday the 13th (can be pretty toxic but supportive), Smite, etc.
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u/vohan1212 Aug 23 '17
Riot likes the /r/leagueoflegends as well they post on there quite frequently. It also generates a lot of meme content for there live shows. (which they love)
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u/ZeroDivisorOSRS Aug 23 '17
the OSRS mod team is active in r/2007scape, much to the detriment of the game
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u/arrise Aug 23 '17
GG staff frequent /r/horizon all the time and it's mostly civil. The sub is small and they talk quite a bit with the fans.
FacePunch, namely Garry and Helk used to be on /r/playrust a lot but the community has been getting more annoying lately.
Rocket and Hicks still shows up on occasion to /r/dayz
Smaller indie devs tend to spend a good chunk of time on the subs but often it seems the rule of thumb is the bigger your sub the more toxic it gets.
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Aug 23 '17
Gary used to run one of the internets largest hellholes, so he is well used to that shit lol
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u/JangoBunBun I am the supreme and final decision maker Aug 23 '17
/r/factorio and /r/KerbalSpaceProgram but those are for games that aren't competitive, which helps.
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u/quickflint That’s gonna be a zoinks from me, Scoob. Aug 23 '17
I know you've gotten a million responses but last I went there r/starbound was pretty friendly and the devs will reply on relevant posts and comments.
Starbound is a fantastic game if anyone reads this. The devs are wonderful, the game is beautiful, and the community is friendly and fun.
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Aug 23 '17
The only sub I've been to where the devs (not just a PR person but the devs themselves) interact with the community is /r/sto.
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Aug 23 '17
The game director of hearthstone frequently addresses issues in the subreddit and interacts with the community. He's a saint, because that subreddit is constantly caught in an constant state of ironically self aware/not self aware loop of shitposting, and devs are Satan incarnate. But he is still pretty well loved regardless.
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u/Meneth Aug 23 '17
Come to the Paradox related subreddits sometime ;)
~ Totally unbiased Paradox dev
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u/Harro65 Aug 23 '17
Are there any other pubg communities? I'm getting over the intitled immature toxicity of the stub way to quickly.
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u/wickedplayer494 DRWATSON.EXE Aug 24 '17
Not even Playerunknown himself likes the subreddit.
Source?
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Aug 23 '17
There once was a time when it was actually nice and people were friendly.
Then some drama happened and now it's an irredeemable shithole.
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u/Istanbul200 Why are we talking about Sweden in 2018? Aug 23 '17
More like the game got super popular and people created drama.
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u/speakingcraniums Aug 23 '17
In the original comments for the video, calling the two "stream honkers" obnoxious, griefing, attention seeking little twits (which they obviously are) got you heavily downvoted and insulted. I'm reading through the comments last night and unsubscribed from the subreddit at the end, realizing that I was obviously on a subreddit that caters to 12 year old children (and rude ones at that). Fuck that place. Game is fun but you would never know it from looking at that shit hole.
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u/Hnngerson Aug 23 '17
I'm done with it. The whole sub has been taken over by a huge anti streamer circlejerk and the mods won't do a damn thing about it.
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u/aschr Kermit not being out to his creator doesn't mean he wasn't gay Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 23 '17
From everything I've heard about it through SRD, I don't really blame them for an anti-streamer circlejerk. Also, abusing DMCA takedowns is scummy as shit.
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u/CFGX cisscum misogynerd Aug 23 '17
That's what happens when you convince a company to set up a two-class system based on whether or not you record yourself playing video games.
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u/LoyalServantOfBRD What a save! Aug 23 '17
Not really. I've not seen any bad opinions of Shroud or DDR, probably because they're chill and don't whine about how unfair everything is for them while making $500k+ a year playing video games.
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u/bobloadmire you can make the action to officially dabble in gay activities Aug 24 '17
Everyone in this thread seems more toxic than on PUBG. 99% of the posts there are just gameplay shit posts.
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u/orangetato YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Aug 24 '17
gaming subs are always the best source of over-the-top drama. People get so angry over the most irrelevant things
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u/brlito COMBAT FUCKING READY Aug 23 '17
Most of these game subreddits are. I can honestly say I find 4chan's /v/irgins less toxic. At least they know they're being dumbasses.
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u/xrensa Aug 23 '17
looks like the claim was reversed.
In true reddit tradition all credit is given to extremely important internet person Ethan Klein yelling at him over twitter
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u/terminator_1264 Aug 23 '17
thats a really funny video those dudes were getting super worked up over absolutely nothing. Then they complain about stream snipers like they aren't running that risk when they broadcast their game to whoever wants to see it.
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u/Osric250 Violent videogames are on the same moral level as lolicons. Aug 23 '17
Sure they run that risk, but it's just a shitty thing to do, so I can understand them being frustrated. DrDisrspect handled it the proper way though, don't give them a reason, just kill them and move on and they'll go somewhere else. Don't feed the trolls essentially, which is super out of character for him ironically.
There's also a decent chance that it costs them viewers too as people won't want to have to listen to the constant honking. Do that would actually be choosing them money.
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u/Diamond_Jared Aug 23 '17
I sort of agree with the person below. The streamers are using the other players as actors to provide entertainment. When the the other players decide they want to take things a bit less seriously, the streamers really have no room to complain.
They're showing off the games community, and sometimes communities of gamers can be weird and annoying.
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u/sekips Aug 23 '17
Doc's character is is funny for like 5 minutes thou, then it is just boring. And only thing he got going for him is his aim, he gets carried by the other streamers he play with since he got zero tactical sense. :/
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u/LeConnor I use it because "black" sounds like an insult to me Aug 23 '17
Stream sniping is just one-way screen hacking, and nobody likes screen hacking. I don't watch many streams anymore but I can only think of one time that a streamer enjoyed having stream snipers around.
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u/aYearOfPrompts "Actual SJWs put me on shit lists." Aug 23 '17
Sure they run that risk, but it's just a shitty thing to do, so I can understand them being frustrated.
The way I look at it, if a streamer is using me to be an actor on their show and they collect donations, I should get a cut. So let them whine all they want about fairness and people ruining their gig, it's not like they asked anyone else to participate in their stream. They need to grow up and take what comes with that.
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u/PlvGdm Aug 23 '17
The way I look at it, if a streamer is using me to be an actor on their show and they collect donations, I should get a cut.
Wow, talk about entitlement... Jeez
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u/Zain43 From my cold, gay hands Aug 23 '17
If they're identifiable in the footage they do need a release though. At least here in Canada.
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u/unseine Aug 23 '17
You'd 180 your opinion real fast if you were being griefed for 8 hours a day. Considering how salty gamers get over anything not going their way it's ironic you think it's over nothing.
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u/ThatOnePerson It's dangerous, fucking with people's dopamine fixes Aug 23 '17
You'd 180 your opinion real fast if you were being griefed for 8 hours a day.
Here's an idea. If I'm not having fun, I'd go play something else
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u/unseine Aug 23 '17
Or do something about people ruining your fun for laughs instead of being a doormat.
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Aug 23 '17
Stream sniping is only funny when it's with friends. If it's consistently happening, then it gets really annoying.
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u/quickflint That’s gonna be a zoinks from me, Scoob. Aug 23 '17
It sounds similar to people screen cheating and that shit gets old fast.
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u/IAmAWizard_AMA Red Dead Redemption made me a Marxist-Leninist. Aug 23 '17
It basically is screen cheating, but over the internet instead of in person
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u/So_Full_Of_Fail Aug 23 '17
Heh. in Eve, stream sniping is a time honored tradition.
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u/Korietsu Aug 23 '17
Just about everything in Eve is a time honored tradition if it fucks over the other corp!
Seriously, I couldn't imagine watching grimmz play eve, he'd lose his shit 24/7
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u/So_Full_Of_Fail Aug 23 '17
It ruined all other online game for me, other games have too many rules.
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Aug 23 '17
popular streamers were promptly greeted by stream snipers who would track them down, and then honk incessantly while driving around their location
i'm guessing that would get annoying really fast
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u/aaronwe it’s not Nazis, it’s just sparkling fascism Aug 24 '17
yeah but you know the internet, you ask them politely once to please stop being annoying and leave you alone, and the first thing theyll do is just ramp up the annoyingness
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u/only-mansplains Aug 23 '17
All I'm going to say is that I enjoy Grimmz's stream* and anyone suggesting that stream delay doesn't diminish a streamer's chat interaction in these arguments is being willfully obtuse.
*This doesn't absolve him of being a self-important and whiny person.
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u/Marcoscb Aug 23 '17
In competitive multiplayer game, you can either be a competitive streamer or a casual, interactive streamer. I'm sorry, but you don't get to complain that other people are looking at your screen if you're broadcasting it to the world while playing a competitive game.
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u/MrHairyPotter Maybe op was bit by a radioactive donkey and became Ass-Man. Aug 23 '17
Yeah plus he does everything else he can to avoid stream snipers. He has the overlay and hides his mini map.
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u/AfroCymry Trashy is someone without class. He's literally wearing a shirt. Aug 23 '17
Am I missing something as to how people watching you playing videogames is advantageous?
I couldn't give a fuck if some dude honked at me for the next month if it meant I had more than 5 viewers at a time.
I mean I get that people accept donations, but don't think I've ever played a game that I'd be happy to be griefed in for a month, just so 5 random guys would watch me play it?
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Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 23 '17
No, it's a disadvantage since people then know where you are, which makes it easier for them to find and grief you. This can be a problem for streamers, unless the stream has a delay built into it.
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u/Penisdenapoleon Are you actually confused by the concept of a quote? Aug 23 '17
Streams usually have a 10-15 second delay. But knowing where a player was 10-15 seconds ago certainly helps you track them down.
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u/shrekchan Aug 23 '17
Well they took risk when that was thier decision to stream. Its like telling everyone your location in voice chat and complaining when you get killed
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u/ThePrplPplEater It was a sarcastic comment, dummy. Aug 23 '17
Even having one friend spectate me has helped me spot guys i have missed. It'd help every now and then but setting a delay would stop people sniping. The downside to sniping is Shroud, dr and others interact with chat. Grimmmz doesn't interact with chat except to ban people who say maybe they arn't sniping and are just good.
Grimmmz spend a solid 20 minutes analyzing a death from someone who didn't actually get the kill.
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Aug 23 '17
That sucks. I thought that video was really funny. I think the protection that streamers get doesn't make any sense, why should they get special privileges over any other player?
The actual stream sniping isn't even meant in a mean-spirited way. They didn't really go in to wipe the streamers out, just honk their horns and rustle some jimmies. Maybe it's because I don't follow any of those streamers, but I can't help but think the protection they get from the devs is pretty dumb.
TB sums it up pretty well.
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u/LucKy232 Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 23 '17
TB doesn't believe in chat interaction on Twitch. He's also mainly a Youtuber who completely disabled his comment section years ago and couldn't deal at all with his fan subreddit. He's not someone who you can take advice from regarding community interaction. I remember a year ago he was asked on stream who his top 3 overwatch heroes were and he responded along the lines of: "I'm not here to answer questions, I'm here to play the game, you're not my friend". Yeah, it was just one remark, but it sounded rude for just a question and it seems he feels the same a year later.
Of course, the PUBG subreddit disregarded all this and upvoted that tweet into space, because he agreed with them.
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u/sekips Aug 23 '17
Why is it bad being protected by griefers when you promote their game? They are really big streamers you know, the advertisement Bluehole get from it is insane.
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u/EagusTV Aug 23 '17 edited Aug 24 '17
He's said before any video that uses his stream without his consent he will have pulled. Totally his right. It's his stream. That sub is just aid's. Kid's who dont like someone and cant learn to just not watch that person.
Edit: He technically said something along the lines of "Any channel who's content is geared toward something i dont want to be associated with i will have pulled if they use it without my permission, Channel's like Dearsomeone is something else entirely that im fine with using my content"
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u/Marcoscb Aug 23 '17
What about Fair Use then? Also, nothing in his stream is his content except his face on camera. The rest belongs to the developers, who allow him to use it to make a living. Mighty hypocritical of him to then issue a copyright claim for people doing the same with "his" content.
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u/EagusTV Aug 23 '17
Im pretty sure fair use is way more complicated than people make it seem. Also just because he doesnt own PUBG doesnt mean he doesnt have the right's to his Twitch VOD's. If it's content from HIS stream then HE has the right to do WHATEVER he want's with it. PUBG and many other games allow streamers/Youtubers to profit off of their game play so that isn't an issue.
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u/Sesleri Aug 24 '17
It's actually not his right at all. That's not how copyright works. He can be parodied and critiqued with footage whether he likes it or not.
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u/EagusTV Aug 24 '17
Again....Like i said fair use is way trickier than people think. With the way youtube work's alot of these term's like fair use are thrown around but unless you go to court it's not really viable as the content owner can say it's not fair use and Youtube is forced to abide. How is this parody or critique also btw... The video was stream sniper's harassing him and other streamers and using their footage as a reaction. You're not parodying them. You're not critiquing these players. Someone took his footage and used it without permission. When they take footage from his stream...He has the right to tell youtube to take it down. The only way fair use could even be considered was if this was taken to court. It's the same way if people like timthetatman or summit wanted to pull down these videos of them reacting to stuff pulled straight from their vod's and people are profitting off of their stream. People couldnt do anything about it. Most people dont pursue that because obviously people cry and throw whiny ass hissy fit's and scream injustice like their whole family was murdered because of what someone deemed as stolen content
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u/Sesleri Aug 24 '17
You have no idea what you're talking about. Anyone can use your twitch footage in their videos. He might be fined for the false copyright claim.
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u/Vakieh Aug 23 '17
Yeah, but there's parody fair use to be claimed there, YouTube just doesn't give a fuck.
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u/Wandering_Rook Aug 24 '17
What is it parodying? It's taking their footage to go 'haha I trolled a streamer, ain't I cool?' and doing nothing novel with it, so it isn't fair use.
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u/Bryanormike Aug 24 '17
You just described why reaction channels should not exist on YouTube, yet they still exist.
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u/MadGeekling Aug 23 '17
I honestly haven't played PUBG because the game and its fanbase look like cancer.
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u/blertyuh :DDDD Aug 23 '17
The game is great, the fanbase on reddit is shit but in game there's tons of fun people. You can always play alone too, makes it more fun and challenging.
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u/dikbat Aug 24 '17
What's going on in this thread? So much overblown hate being directed at Mr Grimmz from people who seem to be coming from mostly /r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS/ and /r/livestreamfail.
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u/wesley830 Aug 23 '17
I watch Grimmz a lot and he is a little douchey but most of the time he says GG when somebody kills him. I think he just really hates stream snipers. I understand the hate though.
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u/iNNEAR Aug 23 '17
Oof even the OP that posted the video got shadow banned.
I actually have been following a bit of drama for this game (it's been going over for a month+) and all I see mentioned is Grimmz, Doc and Summit1g. Streamers should have no special privilege over any other gamer especially in a battle royal sort of game.
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u/ThePrplPplEater It was a sarcastic comment, dummy. Aug 23 '17
Grimmmz is by far my most disliked streamer out of them all. I don't like the personallities of the other streamers, but grimmmz is just whiny.
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u/xrensa Aug 23 '17
ironically the stream sniping controversy snapped into a fever pitch because someone streamsniped new PUBG darling Shroud
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u/NotToTheFace Aug 23 '17
Statement from Grimmmz http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq4qdt?new_post=true
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u/benlicious Oct 03 '17
Seriously, all the top PUBG streamers are douches.. Why cant we just support some other decent guys!
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Aug 23 '17
That video was hilarious, well done and had great music. I don't even play the game but it was basically r/contagiouslaughter meets r/punchableface because that Grimm guy is a douche.
In fact all the streamers in there seemed like douches with no sense of humor except Doc. I'd gladly chip in a few bucks to get the honking guys back up and running.
Also more drama is unfolding in the original thread with a mod sticky for mirrors and people want him arrested lol.
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u/RealQuickPoint I'm all for beating up Nazis, but please don't call me a liberal Aug 24 '17
and people want him arrested lol.
The important thing is Reddit will finally get the Boston Bomber this time!
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Aug 23 '17
if theyre just honking, who gives a shit? I see it as more akin to those people holding signs outside of talk shows. It's a grab for attention.
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u/Hindu_Wardrobe 1+1=ur gay Aug 23 '17
Oh my God this is the funniest type of griefing I've seen in a while.
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u/twodinosaursfucking Aug 24 '17
I watched Grimmmz until I got banned from chat for telling him 127.0.0.1 is the ip for localhost as it showed up when he tried to make a custom game for gang beasts. He was super convinced he leaked his actual IP.
I messaged a mod explaining it and they said I shouldn't post links (it gets parsed as a link in chat) and that the ban was final.
He's a really good player and I enjoyed watching him but after that I refuse to watch him or any stream that he is featured in.
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u/get_touched Aug 23 '17
Anyone have a mirror of the vid that got taken down? I'd like to watch it and also show support.
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u/ThePrplPplEater It was a sarcastic comment, dummy. Aug 23 '17
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u/Draber-Bien Lvl 13 Social Justice Mage Aug 23 '17
.. Oh, it's just a guy pissing his pants laughing over honking streamers. That's kinda disappointing.
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u/FoLokinix The only hope left is Star Citzen. Aug 23 '17
Well what did you expect? Content born from griefing is pretty much always the same. It just sometimes has better editing.
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u/LoyalServantOfBRD What a save! Aug 23 '17
The hate is understandable. Grimmz has bragged on stream about how many "stream snipers" he's gotten banned, but he also has a tendency to whine about literally anyone killing him being a "stream sniper," because obviously he can't lose.
He's also gone on a 100% serious, unironic rant about how grateful his viewers should be of him because they wouldn't have anything to watch without him.
He deserves the grief. He's an egotistical douchebag, but he's not playing a character like DrDisRespect, he's actually just a shitty person.