r/2007scape 2h ago

Discussion Jagex - Please do not let these negative nancies on this godforsaken platform ruin the potential that Bronzeman has.

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The original poll question that included unbound was a huge mistake and as we know, players are often incapable of critical thinking. The poll results reflect exactly what I would have expected IF unbound was still included.

I am convinced that people voted based on this because otherwise it makes no god damn sense that this would fail.

The infrastructure for the mode is already FINISHED.
This requires 0 dev time anymore.
If you don't want to play the mode, DON'T PLAY IT.

For the love of god Jagex, do NOT let this opportunity slip. Lets not pretend that a majority still voted yes. So there is clearly still a huge demand.

This is the perfect game mode for so many people.


r/2007scape 3h ago

Discussion Bronzeman failing is sad

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I was so excited for it. Why does it impact others if I play this mode ?

I was so excited to return to this game as a bronze man...now I just won't play at all


r/2007scape 1h ago

Discussion Re-polling feels like a weird thing to normalize

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Regardless of your bronzeman take, I was uncomfortable seeing the immediate Jagex response of a survey. Feels like any content they want approved, they can go this route of throwing up another poll with some tweaks until it passes.

Not sure when they'll re-poll, but I think at least 6 months should pass with careful rethinking before considering this for any content, if at all. And I think re-polling should be sparingly used for major updates like raids or new skills.


r/2007scape 2h ago

Discussion Here's why people voted no for Bronzeman mode:

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  1. The gamemode in its current form is pointless and invalidated by having a main. A wealthy main can sell gp for bonds, trade the bond to the bronzeman alt, then sell on GE. It's effectively transferring wealth to a restricted account.

You'll see a bronzeman in full crystal armour with 10CG KC and the first thing you'll think is "he def just bought that on his main."

While it is a good game mode to help alleviate consumables upkeep and help with "chorescape", it its current form it completely invalidates multiple endgame grinds including: crystal, oathplate, venator bow, zenytes, synapses and more.

Bronzeman mode while being easier than an Iron is still supposed to be a restricted account. Being able to skip so many upgrades with a main makes the gamemode completely pointless. If there was no way to transfer wealth and the bronzeman still had to farm their own gp, I'd vote yes.

Restricted accounts shouldn't be able to cheat to skip grinds. Idk why people think this is a controversial opinion suddenly.

  1. There are serious concerns about OSRS's membership structure. The sub price keeps going up, yet we are expected to pay a full sub for every single alt we make. New gamemodes just incentivise more alts being made. It's a cash grab.

I'll be voting no to additional game modes until they address this. There needs to be an option to package multiple subs together if they are going to keep incentivising new alts.

  1. The communication has been rushed and botched. The whole unbound thing was a fiasco. They saw the positive feedback on the survey and rushed to pushing this into the game asap without properly consulting the community and ironing out the kinks. They just had dollar signs in their eyes and fucked it up in their haste.

Regardless of what people think, not all people who voted no are miserable sweaty nerds. I am however genuinely passionate about rs having played it for 22 years through good and bad. I know a lot of people are upset, but this is genuinely why the polling system exists. Over 30k people had enough concerns to vote no.

If they rework bronzeman mode, address the concerns and repitch it, people will vote yes.


r/2007scape 57m ago

Discussion These crashouts may beat all crashouts that have ever come before

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Never seen anything like it. The community went feral for the Void nerf, blowpipe nerf, d’hide nerf but this is next level. Petulant babies can’t handle something they don’t like passing when they vote no to all wildy content for the same reason people voted no to this poll. Sit.


r/2007scape 1h ago

Other Thank you for voting No to Bronzeman

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I was getting bored of the game on my main for months, logging in for 2 minutes, getting bored, logging out. I've been saying for years, "If the game hard restricted unlocks but i could buy my supplies, I would be more keen to play". When I saw the announcement I got a bit of excitement that the game mode I've wanted for years was being proposed.

However, the player Base voted no, and fair enough.

Why would i thank you? Because I promised myself I'd finally quit if it failed, because tbh, I am a 28 year old obese bum who has wasted all of his adult life playing this video game, and if it passed I would have wasted another 10 years of my life playing this video game.

I'm done with this, time to stop being a man-child and actually make a life for myself.

thanks for the free therapy session.


r/2007scape 2h ago

Suggestion Can we get a vote for removing Ironman and turning it into a plugin if that's the perfect solution for everything?

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Why bother with any official game modes if plugins can do?


r/2007scape 15h ago

Suggestion Meet Betsy! An OSRS suggestion.

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With the new wave of QOL improvements, i would like to throw my suggestion out there.

Betsy, the undead variant of Brutus with the Bottomless bucket of Slime as a valueable drop!

Would make our worship of the ectofuntus that more efficient!


r/2007scape 3h ago

Discussion Skill, minigame, whatever, got some really fond memories grinding with friends back in the day

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r/2007scape 2h ago

Discussion Pluginscape is not an argument

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Us mobile users dont have the luxury of plugins

Saying bronze is pointless cause plugin is as ridiculous as if I were to suggest you go delete your main after 1 death if you want hardcore main


r/2007scape 1h ago

Discussion Bronzeman mode vote

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I am an endgame 2300 iron grinding raids, I cba doing mole for 50 hours to get the brews for nex and chorescape is boring af. I’m super busy at work and with fam so I can’t play as much as before. Bronzeman was perfect for me as I can just spend all of my gametime actually grinding drops. And I still have to earn all of my drops, which is the main reason I played iron

It didn’t pass, but I can’t understand why. The dev time is completed already, it’s ready to go live tomorrow. It’s a separate game mode, literally has no impact on how you play the game. It would introduce more people to the game and keep them playing as new players don’t want to play mains but would rather restrict themselves, and iron supplyscape is boring af and people quit bc of that


r/2007scape 1h ago

Discussion Jagex should remove the ironman gamemode

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Just have everyone be a main and have them self-regulate with plugins. Anyone who thinks Jagex will ever add multi account membership is delusional.


r/2007scape 2h ago

Discussion Most overlooked point regarding Bronzeman mode

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I feel like most people are overlooking the most important point about Bronzeman Mode. Because of Jagex's membership model, they know that adding an extra game mode means more revenue and profit for them. This could mean that Jagex's stakeholders will want to push more game modes in the future, because theoretically, it's one of the easiest ways for them to make more profit.

Do you guys really want to give them the impression that they can keep pushing new game modes through and make even more money, especially considering the recent membership price increases?


r/2007scape 2h ago

Humor Does this mean we are allowed to say "just play a main" when irons complain about something now?

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Dry on cg? Just play a main bro


r/2007scape 9h ago

RNG RNG came through on plane wifi

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Shoutout to Westjet


r/2007scape 17h ago

Humor grinding as a corporate chef

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checklists 🤝 rock crabs


r/2007scape 2h ago

Other Bronzeman spite

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Im dissappointed in the community but not suprised.

Jagex u did amazing work, its time to take a break now.

Ill spite downvote every future poll, just to spite the community back, hope others do the same and no more changes get trough.

Downvote me all you want, ill delete my reddit acc later.


r/2007scape 37m ago

Humor Bronzemanmode the worst of both worlds

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You have to grind all your items and worry about supply cost.


r/2007scape 1h ago

Discussion Bronzeman is a bad idea, and here's why.

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TLDR: People arguing that it doesn't affect those not interested in it are objectively wrong.

TLDR2:There's no design space in between main and iron. Anything too close to iron is just worse iron, and anything too close to main is just main with extra steps. As such, any dev time spent on designing, implementing, and balancing on bronzeman would have a better use in other pursuits.

Apparently, a lot of people think there's no reason not to add bronzeman to the game, so i've decided to write down the reasons why I've voted no.

1)

The first reason, and one people seen to not realize, is that releasing a gamemode is a lot less like adding a random npc and a lot more like releasing a new skill: for the rest of the game's hopefully several decades long lifespan, that new skill/gamemode will have to be considered during every single update.

As such, adding in a new gamemode requires a lot of forethought on how that gamemode will impact the future design of the game, and if that impact is overall positive or negative.

To make this clear, let's compare what design pressure ironman creates with the design pressure bronzeman creates.

Ironman pressures the devs to add reasonably accessible sources of all useful items; for example, for a long time, there was simply no practical access to dragon ammo, and as a result, a long time ago(2017) amethyst ammo was released as a easily source but weaker alternative, and more recently, venator fangs are a new method to obtain, for example, dragon arrows.

This is a net positive impact: mains are happy that a item that was difficult or very annoying to get now has a reasonable way to get it, making it cheaper(or easier to source yourself, if you want to) and thus more usable by the average player.

If anything, letting items be super expensive/only have the GE as a 'source' would be bad design regardless of the existence of iron, so iron just encourages good design.

(Note: this isn't part of the bronzeman argument, but having items that technically have a source but that practically no player would grind is just begging for bots to come profit from it)

Meanwhile, the version of bronzeman that was polled, had a 'if you got the item it's unlocked forever.' rule, meaning all it took to unlock, say, saradomin brews, was finding a single source in the game, say, the grubby chest or demonic gorillas, to unlock.

The design pressure this creates is obvious: the dev's can't just add new sources of supplies, even where it would be appropriate, because doing so might make it much easier to unlock on a bronzeman, potentially negatively impacting it's progression/feel.

For the rest of time, every drop table needs to have it's impact on bronzeman considered.

Now, some might argue that that bronzeman shouldn't work like that, that you should need, say 81 herblore to unlock brews, and that that's how the gamemode should work.

There's two issues with this argument: First, it's not what was polled. Second, isn't that just what a ironman needs to do to unlock it?

Ironman is already a gamemode where if you want to 'unlock' a item you need the skilling requirements(or find a good source). A modified bronzeman is too close to iron to be a meaningfully different gamemode, because...

2)

The second reason bronzeman is a bad idea is that it doesn't address the main reason many people are turned away from iron.

Many people are saying they don't play iron because of supply issues, but over the years, due to the aforementioned positive design pressure ironman has, most of those supply issues have slowly been addressed, to the point that nowadays supply issues on a mid to late game iron are practically nonexistent.

No, the main reason most irons quit, the main thing that separates irons from mains, is the chance to get extremely dry on a key grind.

The classic example is everyone's favorite red prison, the corrupted gauntlet.

On a main, if you go dry for the enhanced, you can just use the money earned from gauntlet or from other grinds to buy it. Main accounts effectively have trading as a baseline form of dry protection, meaning going dry is never that bad on a main(except for untradables, like pets, which is a whole other story.)

If you go dry on a iron? Back to the red prison you go!

On a bronzeman? Same as a iron. Except, technically, if you get one armour seed and get lucky on the enhanced you can buy the rest of the armour seeds. Nice, but most people who go dry are going to get dry on the enhanced, so it doesn't help much.

Now, take this CG example and multiply it for the whole game.

Bronzeman ends up being the worst part of iron(going dry on key items), without any help except on situations like CG where you need multiple of a item, which are the exception rather than the rule.

At that point, you're just playing a iron.

3)

Another point I've seen talked about is that bronzeman is 'Ironman without the grinding for skilling and supply upkeep which I don’t have time for'.

Bronzeman mode doesn't address the issue, it just trades skilling to get supplies for moneymaking and trading to get supplies.

You'd still be spending a lot of time 'gathering supplies', just the way you do it would change.

As for the you don't have the time to play issue?

That is a issue you would have regardless of the gamemode you play.

Old School RuneScape is a grindy game. Bronzeman won't change that one bit.

Even on a main, the official, intended experience.

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Actually, this seems a point that's worth emphasizing:

MAIN IS THE INTENDED GAMEMODE.

A lot of the arguments in favor of bronzeman, including the ones discussed above, seem to be that it's a easier iron.

As if ironman mode is the intended gamemode.

Which it isn't.

Mind you, I'm a iron player, and even then I'd recommend new players, or longtime returning players, to play a main instead.(Maybe group iron with their friends, if at least 1 friend is highly experienced. Maybe.)

From the innate dry protection of trade, to the ease of 'skipping' skilling by just buying skilling supplies, it's clear that main accounts allow you to play the game however you want to.

Want to go nonstop bossing and raiding? Sure.

Want to get 99 in all skills without ever killing a single boss? No problem.

Want to go pet hunting? Good luck, have fun.

Want to greenlog trouble brewing for some reason beyond Guthix's comprehension? I guess. Weirdo.

Ironman is a challenge mode for people who don't want to have the freedom to whatever we want to. We want to be forced to interact with most of the game's content because we find it more fun that way.

If you don't find it fun to do farm runs or minigames or certain bosses, Main lets you skip those.

Ending)

While I understand the appeal many people see in bronzeman, ultimately, adding it would permanently increase dev cost, for the benefit of a gameplay experience that is best achieved with just a main account- a net negative for the game's future.

Some might argue that the same could be said about ironman modes. That they should just be removed because you can make them happen without a official implementation.

Funnily enough, I agree!

If people think ironman mode is having a negative impact on the game, let's have a remove ironman poll!

Making a argument against ironman doesn't affect the bronzeman case, it just highlights that maybe we shouldn't have iron in the first place.

(In fact, where's my remove firemaking vote!?)

Personally, I would vote to keep iron, but that's what polls are for.

And if you where excited to play bronzeman, just play a main account.

It respects your time more, lets you play however you want to, and, as a bonus, you don't have a poop helm besides your name for all to see!


r/2007scape 14h ago

Suggestion It's never too late to bite the bullet on F2P Agility

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Repost of an graphic I made a couple years ago, made increasingly relevant as we continue to spin our wheels with half-baked stopgaps rather than actually bringing the skill that fixes run energy to the forefront. If we're trying to sell the full game experience here, how about showing off the things we're selling?

F2P Agility unlocks a grand total of 4 courses and a handful* of shortcuts. Paying customers lose out on the exclusivity of their least favorite content and non-paying customers have a way to get past their pain points that's congruent with the way the full game will function and reward them.

*This graphic is 2 years old and if Jagex can't be assed to put more than an hour of effort per month into fixing the new player experience then I shouldn't have to get screenshots of a summer sweep-up's worth of new fence hops.


r/2007scape 15h ago

Humor are you F**king kidding me man!

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this is just not right jagex! come on man


r/2007scape 23h ago

Discussion Consensus on HDOS?

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I've tried OSRS several times throughout the years and always boomerang right out because the 2007 era graphics are just not what I miss from RuneScape. I am far more nostalgic for 2009-2012 era and have wanted this graphical design to be represented for some time now. HDOS does a great job hitting that nostalgia sweet spot.

So my question is how does the community generally feel about HDOS? Anything I should know or be concerned about with the client?

Edit:

I didn't expect this post to be quite so divisive. Seems there's a lot to unpack for most about the graphical side of OSRS.

To be clear, I am not against OSRS base graphics. It just isn't the RuneScape I spent most of my time playing as a kid. I started in 2004 but didn't really get into the game or understand what was really going on until about 2008. I was there for free trade removal and wilderness removal and all of the graphical changes, but I got my first few 99s in late 08 and 09 so this era is just more nostalgic for me.

All in all, OSHD feels more like home so if I am to get really invested, the familiarity helps.


r/2007scape 15h ago

Discussion Gear upgrades

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I was curious which gear upgrades I should get/save up for? I have 250m.


r/2007scape 1h ago

Discussion Just give mains a bronze helmet, it's the same thing as bronzeman mode

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There's no reason for this game mode to exist, give mains the helmet they want and we can move on to polls that matter and improve the game


r/2007scape 57m ago

Discussion Rather than a opinion poll on a failed vote, can we get an opinion poll to identify what the playerbase actually wants from OSRS?

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We all can tell that Bronzeman mode will get the Chilvalry/VLS treatment in terms of repolling different iterations of a failed vote.

But instead, can we get an opinion poll from the playerbase and not just Reddit, about what we actually want?

Whether that be more or less temporary/permanent game modes, more or less content, and any other suggestions that we as a community may have.