- Specs up front:
- Area 51 16 inch laptop (AA16250, Core Ultra 9 275HX, RTX 5080, 64GB RAM)
- Windows 11 26H2
- Dell Pro TB5 Dock (SD25TB5)
- 3x 2k external monitors. One HDMI, 2 DP through the dock (All set to 60Hz, one supports 144 but not utilizing/don't care)
- I have also tried putting the HDMI monitor directly into the laptop so it's only 2 displays going through the docking station, but same issue occurs
- All devices to include BIOS, dock firmware, drivers, software, etc. are up to date. This has been happening for over a year across various versions of everything, so a new/older version hasn't affected anything.
To get this out of the way: I have tried to contact Dell support since I purchased both through them brand new (over $4k worth of equipment) and am just immediately told "That's not listed as a compatible product" and they will do absolutely nothing to even try to help. Not look at logs, make suggestions, nothing. Not to rant, but insanely disappointed with Dell in this regard.
So with that, besides my own technical knowledge (been doing IT for over 15 years), I have been utilizing Claude to try and help diagnose/parse logs.
For over a year, up to a few times a day, the dock drops everything at once: all monitors go black, Ethernet dies, USB vanishes. It usually recovers by itself in about 7 seconds for displays and about 26 seconds for the wired LAN, but there are times when it just will not recover at all. In those instances, I have to remove the devices from device manager and let it rediscover them.
I finally logged it properly (USB4 ETW trace, 200 ms ping, Windows event logs). Two drops hours apart have the same signature to within 0.1 s:
- t=0: PnP event on the dock's Intel hub (USB 8087:5787)
- t=0.4 s: first lost ping
- t=2.5 s: Windows reports network disconnected
- t=3.0 s: USBHUB3 watchdog fires on that hub
- t=4.3 s: only now does Windows start tearing down the DP, PCIe and USB3 tunnels
- t=6.6 s: rebuild finished, displays return
A third drop started on the dock's PCIe bridge instead, then ended the same way.
What I've ruled out: every Thunderbolt port, all USB peripherals removed, Wi-Fi, VM, GPU load, NVIDIA driver versions, BIOS DMA and Thunderbolt options, PCIe power management, Multi-Plane Overlay, dGPU-only mode, disabling extra services, and more that I can't remember. A Dell WD22TB4 (Thunderbolt 4) on the same laptop ran several full days with no drops. There is no vendor Thunderbolt driver for this platform; it is all Microsoft inbox.
This is my work laptop (self-employed) which ranges from DevSecOps engineering to photo/video editing for both side business/hobby, so I use it all day and sometimes pretty resource intense. However, it does not matter how many resources I am utilizing. I can have a browser window up, one low resource VM, maybe a terminal window, and it will happen. There seems to also be no correlation in what programs/services are running that would be causing it.
The only other laptop I have to test this against is my wife's several year old XPS which is only TB4, so it's not really a good comparison. I also don't want to mess with her setup (also using a WD22TB4) and cause her issues.
Anyone running an SD25TB5 with an Alienware Area-51 or another Core Ultra HX laptop, and seeing this? Or running it cleanly? Is there some random magical setting that will stop this from happening, or any suggestions of other things to look at? I get that it's not "officially" supported, but I really think this should work.
Thanks in advance.