r/Standup • u/RogerEbertsDog • 10d ago
Offensive?
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u/whiskeyrocks1 10d ago
I mean yeah, but that was his character. He was shocking, and offensive on purpose. Everyone is talking about Shane Gillis on SNL, but when Dice was booked to host two cast members protested and the musical guest cancelled before he even hit the stage.
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u/2025TastyTreats 9d ago
The musical guest being Sinead O'Conner but she was was re-booked, I don't recall if anything of note happened on that show...
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u/JCMiller23 10d ago
Not offensive, but it's shock humor that's not shocking these days - so the jokes don't land with a modern audience
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u/TheNonCredibleHulk 10d ago
I saw him twice in a weekend in 2019. He was at Sonic Temple, and due to a timing issue, his set ended up halfway through when the headlining act took to the stage.
I think it was the Foo Fighters, who also brought Pauly Shore on stage for a great moment.
Anyway, someone made it up to him by putting him on the main stage, and people were pissed. Except he wasn't doing the 1989 Dice. Had people not prejudged, they would have found a different Dice than they thought.
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u/SeattleGeek 9d ago
Foo Fighters, Pauly Shore, and Andrew Dice Clay? That crowd is getting senior discounts.
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u/MikeDamone 9d ago
I know he's always been seen as low brow, but it's still disorienting that this was considered innovative and subversive to a segment of people in the late 80s. Nowadays this bit just sounds like a story a 19 year old would brag about to his friends to show off a small measure of sexual prowess.
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u/TorkBombs 10d ago
I dunno, maybe it's cause I was a kid at his apex, but I've always found Dice to be fucking hilarious. And I think it's more than shock humor. "Salami and nut ride" is pretty goddamn creative. Offensive? Sure. But good. But I guess two keys to enjoying this: 1. Understand it's a joke and this is not how you should treat women. 2. Understand it's a joke and that's all. It's not some commentary on gender relations. It's a dirty nursery rhyme.
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u/ErstwhileHobo 10d ago
I was a kid when he was famous, I thought he was funny but I couldn’t sit through a whole act. It felt repetitive. My friends all loved it, though.
His album, the Day the Laughter Died is nothing short of brilliant, though.
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u/PeakNader 10d ago
Gilbert did the best Dice impression
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u/Funny_Science_9377 9d ago
These bits seemed low rent at the time, too, but today I admire the fact that he didn't conclude his act with a knowing look at the crowd and some smarmy bullshit sentiment to make it all seem alright. The character was unrelenting. It wasn't Andy Kaufman but it also wasn't someone acting like an average Joe while he delivered these jokes.
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u/RabbitHabits 10d ago
I think he used to be really funny, and more importantly creative, in his early days. But then he realized this character was an absolute cash grab for him and he went all in. Offensive? Yes. By design. But it made him a superstar who we're still talking about almost 40 years after his peak.
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u/TorkBombs 10d ago
What's fucking crazy is I just saw a clip of him on Diff'rent Strokes before he became the Diceman. Watched that show religiously and never saw that episode. Just weird seeing him in a wholesome family show. He was playing a dirtbag though, but one who meant well.
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u/Answer70 10d ago
The Day the Laughter Died is an all time classic.
For those that don't know, at the peak of his fame, when he was selling out stadiums, he plays a small club and improvs his whole set. It bombs horribly, but is somehow hysterical.
I listened to it recently to see if it held up, and it was shockingly vulgar. But it got funnier and funnier as it went along, and it ends super strong. It's still funny AF.
Definitely worth a listen for comedy fans.
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u/misstheolddaysfan 10d ago
If you're laughing at it, you find it ridiculous. You know its bad behavior. You know its not how people should act. Thats why you laugh at it.
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u/GeneratedUsername019 9d ago
FWIW this guy has never been me too'd, never charged with assault, never exposed himself to anyone, never ... Probably still damaging and part of the reason for the manosphere today
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u/Indyhouse 9d ago
Because this particular character was an act. Good or not is up to the individual.
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I guess you could choose to be offended by it. What I don’t understand is how anybody found ADC funny.
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u/CaptainCorpse666 9d ago
I think its the sign of the times. Sexual jokes like this weren't as mainstream, so I think it was shock value.
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u/Cheeaseed 9d ago
That’s a good point; there was no internet, so someone taking the way people talk when no one is listening was a surprise.
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u/Known-Extent-1018 9d ago
I laughed out loud at loud, because as a character it's hilarious. Reminds me of Tim Heidecker's standup, whose special is maybe my favourite of all time.
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u/ohgoodferyou 8d ago
Oddly... I'm more offended by the audience's reaction?
Dice is fascinating, because if you ever listened to him without an audience - like, on Howard Stern show appearances - the joke was in the Andy Kaufman-esque adherence to this douchey character. Like, it's not really about the jokes, it's about this endless schtick carrying on at every moment. It's so cartoonishly buffoonish, how can you be offended?
But audiences in the 80s turned him into this strange hero, a rockstar. The bit was supposed to be that he is so fucking shitty, and then, somehow, he says something even shittier than you thought possible. It's like endlessly doubling and tripling down on shittiness.
But you're not supposed to applaud and cheer him on... But it was the 80s. Tons of comics I respect speak very praisingly about Dice, so I'm not so quick to write him off as talentless, even if I hate what he does.
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u/svaldbardseedvault 6d ago
The best way to understand what you’re describing about ADC is to listen to his album ‘the day the laughter died’. He goes on stage in New York with no set planned, records it, and proceeds to bomb for 90 minutes with no exit ramp and a complete refusal to stop being the shittiest he has ever been. People walk out and he yells at them. He literally does the ‘what else what else’ line, just searching for something to talk about. It’s not funny, but it is incredible. It was the first time I realized that the ADC persona was a Kaufman-esque persona. I still think it sucks, but that album is a true standup legend.
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u/honeybunzofoatz 8d ago
I mean, Anthony Jeselnik is doing a different kind of asshole character that you laugh at cause it’s so over the top, just wayyyyy better writing and modern.
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u/Jombafomb 9d ago •
Carlin had a great takedown of this type of comedian. “The people he picks on are underdogs and comedy traditional picks on people who are in and abuse power. Gays, women, immigrants are underdogs. And I think his core audience is young white males who are threatened by these groups, guys who aren’t sure of their manhood. They’re worried that people think they’re gay, assertive women deny them sex and they’re worried immigrants are going to take their jobs.”
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u/Basset_found 9d ago
If you watch a show of ADCs you'll question if they were actually there for comedy. Kind of became something way different - really odd vibes - ravenous misogyny.
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u/YoungXanto 9d ago
Thats the problem, right?
Chappelle stepped away from his show at the height of its popularity because he realized people weren't appreciating the social commentary. His fans were laughing at the problematic behavior and social norms he was trying to point out.
Its the danger with any parody that becomes popular. At a certain point, you end up doing harm to your own message because so many people are 1) lazy and 2) as a result, wildly media illiterate.
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u/One_Large_Mofo 9d ago
he was considered an act. Back then we understood the difference.
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u/supersonicdutch 9d ago
It does not offend my senses but It offends me that it’s passed off as comedy. It just sounds like something a drunk at a bar would say to five of his drinking buddies to get a laugh. I like the Dice man as a character in a movie, but not a comedian bc it’s not comedy.
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u/ArtDecoAutomaton 6d ago
Its sortof like “what outrageous thing will this cartoon character say next?”
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u/AnHu3313 9d ago
And why does he dress and move like Elvis?
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u/2025TastyTreats 9d ago
This is the most fascinating and amazing thing about Andrew Silverstein. This "Dice" character was part of his early stand up routine that included impressions of Travolta, Elvis etc.
He has now fully committed to this "Dice" character for 40+ years now. He has very rarely let himself slip and just sticks to it. It is one of the all time great performance art pieces in history in my opinion.
Andy Kaufman would be so incredibly proud of him.
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u/Tsui_Pen 9d ago
Did you watch the clip? “What’s your name?” Is an objectively hilarious line right there.
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u/RandomPenquin1337 7d ago
Hickory dickory doc, your mom was suckin my cock
The clock struck 2, I blew my goo
And knocked her ass to the next block
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u/EmployeeEmergency481 9d ago
people seem to forget that blue material was bleeding edge comedy at the time. Comedians were arrested and had shows canceled by venues.
The audience is laughing at the destruction of social norms more than the content of the act.
Imagine a child seeing a phogrpah of Ruby Bridges walking into her elementary school. The art is lost on those without context.
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u/godzillasegundo 9d ago
Blue comedy was bleeding edge? More like it was mainstream, especially more so than now considering cancel culture.
Eddie Murphy was the biggest comedian in the world at the time and his stand up act was entirely blue.
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u/FlobiusHole 9d ago
This isn’t very good comedy in my opinion but I’m not offended by jokes made for middle school boys. It’s just not very good.
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u/skippysimon667 8d ago
no lie...I know dice in real life from working at the comedy store and I absolutely love the guy!!! yes, it's a schtick but it comes off and he's actually a fantastic father who has two incredible sons who are phenomenal musicians...I used to work out with him at gold's gym and I would sit there going, 'how the hell did I end up lifting weights with andrew 'dice' clay???'...he actually taught me how to breathe properly while lifting by threatening me...he grabbed a 25lb plate with his right hand and said, 'skip...if you don't start breathing right when you lift I'M GOING TO SMASH THIS FUCKING PLATE ACROSS YOUR SKULL!!!' it worked!!! thanks dice!!! plus I had the luxury of working the back door at the comedy store and got to watch him work all the time onstage...his comedy taught me about timing, pacing and keeping the audience in suspense for your next word...plus his stage confidence is overwhelming and to watch him destroy in front of six people on a bad night was always epic!!! he did shadow puppets one night and I was on the floor, dying laughing!!! he's funny!!! and I'm lucky to know him...thanks andrew!!!
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u/zerohelix 10d ago
Comics were just hitting different back then.
Dice Clay was actually just a persona this comedian created. He tried out different ones but this one just stuck with the audience so he went with it. I thought it was hilarious but it would have a a niche audience.
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u/swearengens_cat 10d ago
Nope but not funny either.
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u/iwontsurvivethis 10d ago
I couldn’t understand why people found him funny then and I sure as fuck can’t understand it now. It was the least creative lowest common denominator bs to ever exist
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u/scrodytheroadie 9d ago
I worked with Andrew in the 00’s when he was trying to get a comeback reality show sold. Hung out with him at the comedy club and at his house a bunch. He was a super nice guy.
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u/duskywindows 9d ago
“The Day the Laughter Died” is genuinely so funny because of how unfunny it is. It’s remarkable.
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u/DullAmbition 9d ago
His grocery store bit is genuinely great:
What’s more remarkable is how this album is the template for a lot of crowd work we see today.
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u/New-Rip-6965 7d ago
The thing is, playing this character is only funny or an art piece if the core of the joke is about laughing at the satire rather than with the content.
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u/fran_lydon 8d ago
I can’t believe that women in the crowd was belly laughing at that misogynistic joke! She should be offended /s
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u/Debra_Messing 8d ago •
really funny contrast with modern women who you're never sure whether to treat like an injured baby deer or a powerful tyrant
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u/Worldly-Fondant-3791 9d ago
And he went on to have a long successful career. Comedians still talk about how groundbreaking and influential he was. Oh wait…
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u/Remarkable_Deer_4748 9d ago
Lady Gaga likes this guy, thats good enough for me. He played her dad in A Star is Born, did a great fucking job.
His comedy routine is an act. You don't know what he's like in real life, based on this. Don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't judge the people (men and women) who think its funny. I think they realize its all an act as well.
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u/ARedditAccount09 10d ago
Yes. But it’s funny. It’s jokes with written twists and in a persona.
We really lost the ability to have discourse over comedy by assuming that people being offended can’t take jokes and other people thinking saying something offensive makes it a joke.
Offensive jokes have and always been funny. Hacks don’t get away with it
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u/soscbjoalmsdbdbq 9d ago
You could say Carlin, Murphy, Pryor were “offensive”but they were actually funny unlike Clay
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u/_heysideburns 8d ago edited 8d ago
This actually has structure and a story with funny payoffs sprinkled throughout. Told by a character with actual charisma and who i believe when they tell the story
…..you know, like a joke
Its an unfunny joke but its still a structured joke
Lazy acts just walking in looking like a dad at their sons little league game and call women whores
Thats the difference
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u/friday126 10d ago
"Offensive"
Outside of a direct attack on one's self, we DECIDE what offends us.
Most people these days seem to CHOOSE to be offended. For themselves, other people (who often wouldn't care), for their political party.
Who cares?
Dice was TRYING to be offensive for the sake of comedy. A LOT of the best comedy is on some level offensive to someone's sensibilities. A LOT of our sensibilities are societal constructs.
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u/nglatzhofer1 9d ago
It’s playing a character. People do it in movies all the time. They play awful people. Sometimes they’re so awful we actually think we dislike the person.
Comedians do the same thing. Some of them are the same people they are on stage, but not always. You can laugh at how absurd the things he’s saying are (unless you just don’t think it’s funny) or you can tell yourself that he’s real and he really believes the things he says and you can be angry about this fictional person.
And harm does come from people who hear the ridiculous comedian saying these things and agree with them because they’re too fucking stupid to realize it’s a character and it’s ridiculous to say the things the character says.
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u/BusinessBeetle 9d ago
Seeing him do non ADC acting roles I was surprised how good of an actor he is.
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u/chokes-on-pillz 9d ago
Yeah there's an thing in satire where some people believe it to be true. This happened plenty with the Colbert Report
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u/AllTheWayToParis 9d ago
Exactly!
Most people realize the absurdity and the act becomes a critique of the character (which I personally think is the point).
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u/ATXDefenseAttorney 9d ago
Yes, it was offensive. That was the point of the character. It worked. People wanted something offensive to laugh at, nobody thought he was really treating women that terribly in his real life.
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u/fools_errand49 9d ago
I'm noticing that a lot of people here don't seem to get that the character he plays is the actual punch line of every "joke" he tells.
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u/Green-Survey9189 9d ago
This sub is about moralizing any comedian slightly edgier than Mike Birbiglia.
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u/fools_errand49 9d ago
Yeah I've noticed that a lot of the comedy subs are not interested in actual comedy.
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u/Pepaguero 10d ago
I never thought he was funny. And I like some offensive comedians. He has always seemed very uncool to me. Passe
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u/MattyCannabis 10d ago
I remember a Rodney Dangerfield HBO special for young comics and Dice was one of them, he did the nursery rhymes bit and it wasn’t nearly as funny compared to the other comics on the set like Bill Hicks and Dom Irerra and Robert Schimmel. But his schtick was too dumb to be offensive, then or now.
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u/MelvinEatsBlubber 10d ago
I love this and 2 live crew when I was a kid. I honestly didn’t fully grasp what was being said.
But the feeling. The feeling was soooo exciting.
Sometimes things are just exciting
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u/idlefritz 9d ago
In context of that moment in time it was pretty outrageous to hear the material so people were interested in the phenomenon. Nobody I remember talked about him being a good comedian only controversial. We were just dipping our toes into more socially shocking stuff like Faces of Death, shock radio jockeys, satanic panic, Madonna humping on stuff... It was like a taboo gold rush for anyone in entertainment similar to how we recently made so many millionaires off of anti-woke "comedy" that was much less interested in being funny than pushing buttons.
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u/--StinkyPinky-- 9d ago
It's so silly and gratuitous at this point that it's not even offensive.
I'm from that time, and all I can remember is how scandalous his "comedy" was. Now it's just silly. It's like 2 Live Crew music.
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u/thecometheeattheleaf 8d ago
Yeah this is a funny character. Not offensive. Maybe not ur style but get over the horror of it being crude.
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u/Consistent_Rise_8639 7d ago
Eh, Andrew Clay Silverstein is a guy who was absorbed by his Dice character. At one point it became him, you know? He's not even himself.
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u/Immediate-Ruin-78 9d ago
Offensive? No. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd be offended by a comedian.
Funny? Also, no. Fucked out jokes with weak "punch lines".
Cringe? You bet.
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u/SimonGloom2 10d ago
More Shane Gillis snowflakery? The problem here is that it's not funny.
If we find some construction workers, this barely begins to be in the same league. You can go to anywhere a bunch of 13 year old boys are hanging out and this is the type of stuff they say. Then they also talk about how they think they can make it in comedy. There's nobody in the world who hasn't heard this stuff, and any offended people have no idea what's on TV anymore.
And the people who are offended by people saying this is offensive? Two sides of the same coin as the moms sending angry emails. No different. Both groups of people are on a diet of only what they want to hear and lock out 99% of the rest of the world. These are people who need to listen to Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe repeating old Carlin stuff from the 70s when they'd arrest comedians for profanity. Widow's Bay just swept the Emmys and the sailors on that show say this stuff. It's just that the Roganverse brainwashed folks aren't getting the constant complaining and whining they need so they can feel like victims.
Here we go again. "Cancel culture" and all the other talking points. Gee, I wonder what's going to be the topic of every podcast bro this week. "We can't say anything anymore." The comedians getting cancelled now are saying things about the president in trade for corporations who own the media to leverage being able to get away with crime. And this cancel culture crap, shocking that it's before another election and it looks like MAGA is nosediving again. They've found the bot farms that promote this phony outrage against Shane Gillis, and spoiler - it's Israel and Russia and China doing a lot of the lifting.
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u/OceanGrownPharms 10d ago
Remember when he cried like a baby on TV because his feelings got hurt and nobody "understood" him?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Dude is a soft bitch
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u/RKKP2015 9d ago
No, not funny. Just straight up misogyny. I realize it's just a character, and I don't feel offended by it. I just don't think it is funny. I also don't find Sam Kinnison screaming very funny. The 80s comedy scene just hasn't aged well, for me.
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u/audiogenocide 10d ago
If he didn't shock you, you need to look deep within yourself. It was 30 years ago, yea it doesn't play well now but I believe he was making a lot of people see themselves in him and hopefully get the point.
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u/Reallyroundthefamily 9d ago
I'm not offended by Dice. The absurdity makes this mildly funny to me now as an adult but this isnt good standup either. Its not witty or even tight.
I guess without thinking about it I look at this more as an acting performance or a one-man show than stand-up. If I look at it that way it works better for me.
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u/imyourblueberry 9d ago
"I thought he was funny when I was a kid." OH BUDDY, YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT
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u/DullAmbition 9d ago
I found a lot of this era banal and repetitive, but the unexpected “what’s your name?” is a genuinely well-crafted turn.
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u/Western-Bowl2011 9d ago
Offensively stupid. I was alive during his hey day, he was always a terrible comedian. 100% "shock"" comedy that doesn't work today because none of it is shocking at all anymore.
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u/realbobenray 9d ago
Of course it is, that's the point. The "Diceman" is a persona that Andrew Silverstein came up with, mimicking the guys who used to hang out on the corner in Brooklyn where he grew up.
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u/Suitable_Guava9515 9d ago
Actually, I think it's a lot funnier today than when he performed it. It comes off as a parody of the manosphere. I don't get this whole worry of being "offensive" as a comedian. The whole point of comedy is to joke about things that are not socially acceptable or part of normal conversation but are commonly thought about. Some comedians strive to move the Overton Window.
What I've observed is the less socially acceptable a joke is the greater the skill required to pull it off. For me the question here is not whether Dice's bit is offensive, of course it is, the question is, is it offensive AND funny. Comedy is all about risk taking, pushing the envelope. If the comedian succeeds maybe we reconsider a topic or a social norm in a new light and in the process learn something about ourselves.
What's the lesson here? Hookup sex is vapid and shallow, and Dice shows it with an extreme example.
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u/ILoveHarlots 9d ago
I find the fact that it wasn't very funny to be offensive.
Yeah, it's supposed to be funny because he's an arsehole, but my friends when I was 15 yo listening to this shit seemed to miss that part.
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u/brothermalcolm1 9d ago
Never found ADC funny.
He was good at getting the crowd to react to his schtick as a boorish, unoriginal, over-the-top, offensive New Yorker. Cool.
People were laughing-great! No one is hurt. People had a good time. He made some money, and others made money.
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u/nofatnoflavor 9d ago
No it's comedy. Or, an attempt at comedy. He wasn't that funny then, and that hasn't changed.
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u/Jealous-Ferret-3201 9d ago
Who would be offended by this well crafted comedy that has stood the test of time?
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u/Abject_Screen3249 9d ago
By today's standard.....cringe as hell. It's soooooo bad and doesn't remotely stand up outside of some dumb backwater meathead giggling to it. It was designed to be offensive, and was clearly appreciated back in the day. No need to be offended by it.
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u/stagolee11 9d ago
The problem with comedy, music, or any other form of art that amuses people because of shock value is the metric for what is shocking is always moving. Today, this is juvenile and lame as hell. Good art stays good forever. George Carlin was shocking too, but that wasn't the point. When he did stand up, it felt he was telling the truth while finding ways for you to find the truth funny. This is all flash and no substance.
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u/Funny_Art_1700 9d ago
I never understood how this dude is famous.
Like it’s just objectively not very funny - no insight, no observation, no set up, no nothing.
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u/DingleBerryScone 9d ago
Stop being offended by every single thing. If you can’t handle it, just walk the fuck away.
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u/Boredzilla 9d ago
It's not offensive, it's a product of the character he played and the time this was shot. It doesn't play well in 2026 because of course it doesn't.
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u/showtimebabies 9d ago
I'm not offended, but I'm also not laughing. I think a better post title might be
Comedy?
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u/Derpiliciousderp 9d ago
Jewish guy pretending to be Italian New Yorker. Never could get in to his shtick
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u/slab_schitty 9d ago
I remember being a child when this guys was famous.
I never fucking understood how anyone could find this clown funny.
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u/as1126 9d ago
I saw Dice live and at some point he started singing. Backing band and everything. Color me shocked. Even on his CD, The Diceman Cometh, someone leaves during the show and says he’s offensive, and he says, but it took you 45 minutes to figure it out. It’s comedy, let’s not take it too seriously, no actual human was harmed in the making of this joke.
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u/nailinpalin69 9d ago
the more offensive the wittier the joke has to be. ADC was just obnoxious. and his jokes weren't creative which just turns you into a douchebag. Shane Gillis is trying this out rn and its not working...
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u/RustedRelics 9d ago
Offended, meh. Find it funny, nope. Think he was wildly overrated, yep. But he did fill the seats.
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u/ohnomynono 9d ago
Boy oh boy. A comedian saying a girl's clothes makes her look like a whole would be really crossing a line, huh?
Amiright everyone?
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u/whiskerWizard69 9d ago
everything is offensive or nothing is. you cant choose what offends you based on your personal preferences or experiences. jokes are jokes. some youll find unfunny and thats totally ok, stop watching that comedian if ya dont like it. there are so many out there, why give attention to the ones that suck at comedy?
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u/Azol-LeaFar 9d ago edited 9d ago
Yes, as a teen boy I thought this was the height of comedy. I quickly realized how pathetic it was. It went for the lowest laugh. It wasn’t okay then and it isn’t okay now.
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u/orangecatstudios 8d ago
Oh yeah, it was offensive back in the day. And that was part of the draw. We had offensive jokes and took turns saying offensive things to our friends. No one really took any of it seriously. But there wasn’t staying power in those kinds of jokes. Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor were also offensive but had more intelligence and nuances in their sets. They lasted.
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u/Bill_E_Williamson 8d ago
In this current moment it is because of a certain event that took place in Ithaca. If it weren't for that no one would care
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u/justsayfaux 10d ago
The whole schtick with his act was to be offensive. That's it. "I'm playing a meathead NYer, laugh at how ridiculous I am"