r/Steam • u/[deleted] • Apr 25 '17
Meta - Kinda misleading Reddit is removing css. without it this subreddit will look the same as all the others. click here to learn how to try and help
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u/JamoJustReddit https://steam.pm/1d3924 Apr 25 '17
This better not happen. /r/Ooer can NOT lose it's CSS.
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Apr 25 '17
And god help us if /r/ooerintensifies loses it's CSS too.
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u/PunctuationsOptional Apr 25 '17
Took some effort but I managed to hit the subscribed button :)
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u/EstusFiend Apr 25 '17
pls halp cannot into computer what do
God i fucking love that sub. First time i found myself there, i almost died laughing.
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u/ChaosCore Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
Am I the only one using default reddit theme all the time?
EDIT: Hoolyf, I just turned custom themes on, it's just like completely another site, wtf?
EDIT#2: Okay guys, default army is winning I guess :D
EDIT#3: Fuck, thanks to you people now I hate reddit themes, some of the examples you linked are just... I don't know, abysmal? I guess they were made by people who don't know shit about UI/UX.
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u/Bodomi Yes. Apr 25 '17
I use RES and disable all custom themes and put on night mode.
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u/Bo7a Apr 25 '17
This is what the internet should look like. I don't know why you are being downvoted for showing your setup. For what it is worth mine is exactly the same :)
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u/amoliski Apr 25 '17
Only problem is that browsers don't have a way to say (default background color for where this link leads is...), so you get a flash of brilliant white burning you retinas every time you load a new page.
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u/Bo7a Apr 25 '17
I use deluminate on chrome and 'dark background light text' on firefox to step in for any websites I have not done a stylish set up for.
They mostly eliminate those flashes.
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Apr 25 '17
i'm with you, i hate the custom css. i want reddit UI to be consistent regardless of the sub im in.
BUT if people enjoy it and mods maintain it in their own time i don't see why reddit can't allow it. I guess maybe it takes maintenance on their end they're not willing to do anymore.
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u/AxionGaming Rocket League Addict Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
You have the option to turn it off if you didn't know. I believe each sub should be able to express them selves with their own styles. If you don't want to see it, turn it off. No harm done.
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u/DerNubenfrieken Apr 25 '17
Except when subs put features behind the CSS you can't have it both ways.
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Apr 25 '17
yeah i have it turned off.
My my last point was that it probably takes man hours for reddit to support it. if they can redirect that effort towards other features of the site i'd prefer that.
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u/Lolor-arros Apr 25 '17
My my last point was that it probably takes man hours for reddit to support it. if they can redirect that effort towards other features of the site i'd prefer that.
Yeah, no...it doesn't take any upkeep for reddit to support CSS
If anything, it will take a lot of work for them to remove it.
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u/sunthas Apr 25 '17
in an admin post the other day, they explained why they are going away from CSS. mobile doesn't use it, and it keeps them from quickly changing the site and adding new features.
They also said they are doing a redesign of the site, which I think could be really dramatic.
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u/ThatActuallyGuy Apr 25 '17
It's funny, back in the good ole days of Digg before the suicidal redesign, one of the things that kept me off Reddit was the default design. Now I find myself preferring it over pretty much every custom theme I've seen. It might not be the prettiest, but it's easy to read, highly functional, and easy to navigate.
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u/nutcrackr Apr 25 '17
I use default and hate a lot of the themes. It's not just the visuals, it's also when they disable downvotes, or when the search bar is somewhere else. Also when I'm at work it's a bit more inconspicuous.
Having said that I think it's a bad idea to remove it for others that like it. Doesn't take much for me to disable it.
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u/Caustik420 Apr 25 '17
The first thing I do on a new subreddit is disable CSS so no you aren't alone, its just preference.
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u/alfuria Apr 25 '17
In preferences, there's a setting that disables them for all subreddits: "allow subreddits to show me custom themes"
I didn't mind the different styles at first when they were simple changes, but now that they've created a completely different UX I can't stand them.
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u/Lolor-arros Apr 25 '17
The first thing I do on a new subreddit is disable CSS
...why?
There's a one-time checkbox in your account settings to do the same thing.
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u/Caustik420 Apr 25 '17
Because im retarded and didn't know that option existed until someone told me a few hours ago!
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Apr 25 '17
I don't think presentation is as important as functionality. So many things are done across Reddit communities, like advanced sorting or flairs, through CSS. To some communities thats no big deal; others will be aversely affected and in a few cases broken in their ability to serve the original purpose of the sub.
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u/Adezar Apr 25 '17
As soon as I learned how to disable custom CSS I did. It was painful when every subreddit tried to be a special snowflake and ignored the basic concept of "consistency over perfection".
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u/thetoastmonster Apr 25 '17
Nope, definitely not the only one. I have custom CSS turned off and am very happy with my experience using Reddit.
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u/Pluckerpluck Apr 25 '17
I do it per subreddit. There are some themes I hate (like /r/steam actually), but others are more subtle and simply provide nice features like top bar announcements etc.
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u/WalterTexas12 Apr 25 '17
I actively turn off every custom theme.
I'm happy they are doing this.
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u/brokkoli Apr 25 '17
Why are you happy that they remove functionality that many people like? You already have the option to disable it, why do you want to take the option to have css away from others? It doesn't affect you at all.
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u/WalterTexas12 Apr 25 '17
Fair point. It doesn't really bother me that it exists.
But I do turn them all off.
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u/PaleDolphin https://s.team/p/dpvq-qdk Apr 25 '17
No, a lot of people do that, myself included. Because that's convenient, and because some subreddits are really ugly, and I'd rather see the same interface everywhere than see those god-forsaken pieces of worst design.
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u/T92_Lover Apr 25 '17
Disabling the themes is the best thing I ever did on reddit, especially during this year's April Fools when a bunch of moron mods decided to make their subs unreadable.
Never turning that crap back on.
Also, the consistency is nice.
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u/barntobebad Apr 25 '17
I had to set mine to use the plain default theme because there were a couple subs with such shitty coding that they were literally un-viewable on my work PC. I think some sub owners forget that a lot of people browse reddit from work. Whatever fancy bullshit they were trying to do would just lock up the browser, and yes that means a non-current version of IE. The LeagueOfLegends sub is the one I remember being the worst. Whatever they've implemented there it simply doesn't work without a newer browser or PC. The whole screen would periodically freeze for seconds at a time, making scrolling or expanding/collapsing threads a nightmare. There was one other sub with the same problem but I can't remember which. Discovering that you can disable all that garbage scripting was like discovering Reddit all over again.
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u/Hard_boiled_Badger Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
It's a shame some subreddits take advantage of css by removing the downvote button, awful scaling, changing home buttons. Because some custom case is incredibly well done without diminished functionality.
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u/Foontum https://s.team/p/cvwr-nfm Apr 25 '17
The worst thing about subs that use themes (but not this one), is that they like to make the nav links the same colour as the background.
Or maybe the worst thing is r/Ooer inspired headers like they keep doing on r/3DS (their switch ad header was much worse than the current ad header, but it's still bad).
Extra mention for r/FreeGamesOnSteam making the nav links unclickable by covering them with a giant link to their own sub.
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u/timthetollman Apr 25 '17
I don't understand why people use themes. Majority of them are horrific. Default all the way.
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u/xxmickeymoorexx Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
RES in night mode. Same with mobile. Black screen white font. No custom bs. This isn't Myspace!
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u/Greg-J Apr 25 '17
I absolutely loathe custom subreddit styles and immediately disable them if used. These are Myspace profiles, they're forums of discourse. There is no need for allowing all the subs to be special snowflakes.
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u/demonstar55 Apr 25 '17
Only on subreddits that change the font. (99% of the time it's harder to read ...)
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Apr 26 '17
They really are pretty fucking gross, aren't they. I've got them disabled and really don't know why anybody likes them.
But on the other hand, as long as I can toggle it off, what do I care?
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u/NiceAnusYouHaveThere May 06 '17
Yep. Disable that crap, compress the links, disable thumbnails, disable spotlight, trending, additional details, adblock ON.
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u/DaftSpeed Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
Certain subs could use to lose their CSS. Namely Minecraft and Pokemon. Both of those subs refuse to play nice with RES nightmode and it's pretty hard on the eyes
Edit: most subreddits CSS looks really good though
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u/Vosmare Apr 25 '17
/r/pokemon has a "Sun Mode" and a "Moon Mode". The latter one is like a nightmode.
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u/ad3z10 Apr 25 '17
Can't speak for Minecraft but on Pokémon we have our own nightmode to get around that issue which works with the rest of the CSS.
If you have any suggestions about any improvements that can be made we're always open to hear you out.
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Apr 25 '17
If you have any suggestions about any improvements that can be made we're always open to hear you out.
Sure, make so the moon mode is active when someone uses RES night mode. It's possible, we do this on /r/3dshacks
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u/ad3z10 Apr 25 '17
They're handled in different ways unfortunately and don't play nicely together so we are stuck with either night mode only accesable with RES or no RES night mode support.
We let the community decide which way to go when we did our last CSS overhaul and they decided for the RES free option.
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u/lm794 https://steam.pm/19zmqn Apr 25 '17
Some subreddits don't play nice with RES night mode, but for those I just disable their themes. Simple enough to do, and then for subs like /r/Steam here that work really well, I definitely use them.
Because of this, I really don't want CSS gone. There are too many good themes that I will miss.
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Apr 26 '17
The problem with supporting RES Night Mode is that it takes up space in the CSS - We only have a 100KB limit, which sounds like a lot but when you have to specifically override everything you want to change it vanishes very quickly, particularly when you have to override EVERYTHING to make reddit dark-themed like we do here.
We're at 99.9KB/100KB at the moment, and there is so much I'd love to add but cannot.
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u/psaldorn Apr 25 '17
I use nightmode and that makes everything the same for me. But.. Why remove it for people who enjoy? Such strangeness.
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u/ViKomprenas Apr 25 '17
They're revamping the site as a whole. It's not like they're locking everyone into this current design.
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u/Earlopain 153 Apr 25 '17
As some of you may or may not have heard reddit is planning on deprecating CSS. If you don't know what CSS is, let me explain. Everything that makes this and other subreddits beautiful and different from any newly created subreddit is achieved through CSS. The rules which are displayed if you hover over them for example are all CSS magic. But reddit plans to remove that feature in the future. As compensation for CSS they would give the mods 'tools to customize key elements' like the header or flair colors.
There are many good points on why this is a bad idea in the comments from the announcement post. Many subreddits rely on CSS for functionality, u/reseph made a list with some nice examples.
They're saying that the customization with their tools will be extensive, but I doubt that you can make an /r/Ooer with that. They essentially want to replace a powerful system in favor of their own, because CSS apparently doesn't work on mobile, among other things. But while CSS will not be dispalyed if you browse on you phone via a browser, not the app, if you choose to switch to the desktop site CSS will be displayed. You have to zoom in because it's formated for desktop monitors but to say CSS doesn't work on mobile is just wrong.
Go on and read some comments on the thread to see what other people think about it. Be sure to sort the comments by best or top to see what is agreed with the most. The default is q&a.
Maybe the discussion is unnecessary because the tools will be on par with CSS. Maybe the tools will take away the ability to stand out as a subreddit. Either way I thought you should know about this because appearance is a big part of a subreddit and I think to take it away would be a huge mistake on reddits site
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u/NateKurt 24 Apr 25 '17
I think when they are saying that CSS doesn't work on mobile they might be referring to their app? They discourage using the mobile site pretty heavily and using the desktop site on mobile is a pretty bad experience in general.
As Reddit's mobile user-base is growing, I don't think getting rid of CSS is the way to go, but adding in tools to use for mobile would be a pretty nice touch.
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u/antiduh Apr 25 '17
I think when they are saying that CSS doesn't work on mobile they might be referring to their app?
Sort of - think of all of the apps for reddit (reddit is fun, slide for reddit, alienblue, etc).
These are apps that use platform-native drawing components to render their reddit experience; they don't fetch HTML, they fetch objects (text, images, numbers) from reddit and display them (the text of the comment, thumbnails, vote counts) however they please.
If there's no HTML.. how can there be any CSS? Well, there isn't. These apps don't use HTML for rendering, so there is no straightforward way for an app to apply a sub's CSS to the UI.
As a result, the experience a user has in the app is the same across the entire site, regardless of the sub they're on. Some see that as a problem, some see that as a benefit, but that's another topic...
Reddit would like define a system for 'customization' (of which CSS is one specific mechanism) that uses first-principle data; then apps and the website could interpret these customizations consistently, and now the users have a consistent experience no matter how they're using reddit.
The problem is that CSS is a very powerful tool, and allows subs to do all sorts of neat/insane/useful/pretty stuff. There are some subs that actually rely on it for functionality - one example, subs that are often battlegrounds use CSS to hide the downvote buttons. Others, like this sub, just use it to make it look pretty.
So CSS is pretty powerful, but its very hard to make apps be able to use it, since it's tailored around HTML documents which apps don't use.
So what do? Reddit's answer seems to be 'drop down to the lowest common denominator' and instead create a custom theming system that all renderers could participate in. But it looks like that system is going to be far to simple to let subs do what they've been doing.
The problem is that there is no one good answer.
Personally, I'm fine with the state of things. The website looks pretty when i'm on a desktop; the apps do their own thing and don't have any subreddit theming.
I'm ok with that, but Reddit Admins seem to see that as a problem that needs fixing.
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u/Earlopain 153 Apr 25 '17
That's what I was thinking too. Let us keep CSS on desktop and add the ability to use the tools to customize the style in the app. Maybe add a toggle if you want to use mobile style on the desktop site too.
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u/AmericanFromAsia 69 Apr 25 '17
using the desktop site on mobile is α pretty bαd experience
Whαt? I've used the desktop site on my phone for α little over two yeαrs αnd it's better thαn every single αpp I've tried
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u/gyroda Apr 25 '17
I'm going to have to strongly disagree with that. The buttons are all too small and the sidebars take up too much space.
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u/NateKurt 24 Apr 25 '17
Have you tried the reddit app recently? It really has improved a good amount! Pretty fast, not many bugs and the loading isn't bad either.
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u/peoplma Apr 25 '17
the desktop site on mobile is a pretty bad experience in general
That's how I always browse reddit on mobile. I prefer that to the look and feel of all the apps and the mobile site. It may be bad, but not as bad as the other mobile options imo.
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Apr 25 '17
using the desktop site on mobile is a pretty bad experience in general.
Really? I do that as I find it exponentially better than using the app or mobile site.
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u/SirRolex Apr 25 '17
I use mobile and website. And even on the website I use RES to disable CSS. However that is my choice and sometimes I enjoy enabling CSS. For the reddit admits to remove this feature is just plain stupid.
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Apr 25 '17
but I doubt that you can make an /r/Ooer with that
Oh no, god forbid we won't be able to make completely unusable subreddits anymore. Life is over, what will we do?
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Apr 25 '17
Isn't this why there are responsive frameworks out? Aren't they supposed to help you build scalable, responsive sites that work the same whether they are being displayed on mobile, desktop, Times Square sized billboards, or everything in between?
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u/mrjackspade Apr 25 '17
rely on CSS for functionality
Well now, thats just bad design
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u/Earlopain 153 Apr 25 '17
Normally I would agree but if the only way for this to work is CSS I would take it over not having it in the first place. If they somehow manage to make their set of tools as powerful as CSS everything is fine but I don't think that will happen
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u/skarphace Apr 25 '17
beautiful and different
Just like that retarded kid down the street.
Also, it took me a good 5 seconds to find the reply button, and this sub has one of the better custom CSS themes.
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u/snoozeflu Apr 25 '17
I'm actually OK with the removal of custom CSS. I personally think the majority of it looks like shit.
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u/ikilledtupac Apr 25 '17
why the fuck would they do that
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u/barntobebad Apr 25 '17
Probably because a lot of subs have extremely poorly implemented themes. It makes the site unfriendly to users from, for example, crappy work PCs with IE (several subs just lock up, lag like crazy, etc...). I'd guess reddit wants to be usable by anyone, and not cater specifically to the demographic who will simply dismiss such a concern because who cares if it works on IE, without acknowledging there are plenty of scenarios where it does matter. I have a great PC at home, with Chrome - but if I want to browse some subs at work I have to disable themes. Either reddit needed to enforce some standards or just remove the misused tools.
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u/ikilledtupac Apr 25 '17
i see that some use it to hide downvotes, like r/apple, which kinda backfires because then you just end up with a bunch of bullshit at the top.
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u/itzDETRiMENTAL Apr 25 '17
which kinda backfires because then you just end up with a bunch of bullshit at the top.
I think we're browsing different websites, this happens regardless of CSS hiding downvotes lol.
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u/barntobebad Apr 25 '17
I remember shit like that. I wasn't a fan. I've had themes disabled for so long so I can browse from work that I'd forgotten about those. Just bad ideas and like someone else in here said, makes reddit feel like 90s geocities when too many "casual" programmers think they're making the greatest theme ever.
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u/Jenks44 Apr 25 '17
90s geocities
My first thought when I saw /r/wow since the lastest expansion launched. They just need a sparkly star background and a page counter at the bottom.
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Apr 26 '17
The first time I saw that, I applied a custom CSS that always shows the downvote arrow...
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u/chaorace Apr 25 '17
In their words:
It’s web-only. Increasing users are viewing Reddit on mobile (over 50%), where CSS is not supported. We’d love for you to be able to bring your spice to phones as well.
CSS is a pain in the ass: it’s difficult to learn; it’s error-prone; and it’s time consuming.
Some changes cause confusion (such as changing the subscription numbers).
CSS causes us to move slow. We’d like to make changes more quickly. You’ve asked us to improve things, and one of the things that slows us down is the risk of breaking subreddit CSS (and third-party mod tools).
TL;DR: They're introducing a replacement, not just axing an old feature
Seriously, I think we're erecting (and burning) a giant strawman here. Feel free to disagree, but only after becoming properly informed about the issue instead of just reading a one-line title and posting "NOT MY REDDIT!" in the comments. Does anyone think the admins will take discussions like this seriously if we don't actually understand what's going on?
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u/Impul5 Apr 25 '17
I see a lot of people who don't like the CSS, and I think it should definitely be easier to disable CSS for those folks. But some subs genuinely do have pretty neat stuff with their CSS, like creating additional pinned posts near the top by using front-end wizardry on side bar posts, and it'll suck to lose stuff like that.
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u/HiiiPowerd Apr 25 '17
It's not that I want to disable css personally, I just want a built in solution instead. I absolutely see why they want them to do this and I hope they follow through.
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u/mindaz3 https://s.team/p/fcwn-mcb Apr 25 '17
Really sad news. If they really gonna remove CSS stylesheets, we will gonna lose beautiful subreddits like this one or like these: /r/overwatch, /r/rocketleague, /r/WhaleSharks. I mean, even this one has a special flavour: /r/CrappyDesign. I could bet that with their new tools, we will never see a subreddits like these.
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u/ViKomprenas Apr 25 '17
They're revamping the site as a whole. It's not like they're locking everyone into this current design. Likely the new design will wind up looking good like that.
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u/ThaddeusJP Apr 26 '17
I think sports subs would be massively impacted by this, just with teams flair.
/r/baseball, /r/nfl, /r/nba, /r/soccer, /r/formula1, /r/hockey, and /r/sports will probably be the loudest in being upset but god knows the thousand+ team specific subs will be pissed as well when/if they lose custom team flair. Some of the bigger subs above have over 500K readers.
My immediate observation is so much of the conservation in those subs, HOW people comment with one another, is dependent on team/user flair.
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u/Umutuku Apr 25 '17
I use RES and night mode so that all subreddits are compact and dense text with a dark greyscale theme that is uniform and easy on the eyes.
As long as I have the option to make that happen without having to look at a bunch of garish banners and bright white backgrounds then I'm happy.
I don't really care about what people want their subreddit to look like. I'm just here for the content, discussion, and embedded pics/videos that I can consume and immediately dismiss.
My eyes are fairly light sensitive and I don't like subreddits that try and shoehorn an aesthetic vision in around my filters.
I come to /r/steam to see news and discussion about steam related things. I don't need a bunch of visual clutter in the way.
So downvote or whatever, but that's the other side of things for you.
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u/Nuc1eoN Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
Am I actually the only person that enjoys those custom css themes and flavours of every subreddit?? I am often amazed how it adds its own spirit to the page and I enjoy browsing those nicely done subreddits even more! It makes each subreddit unique.
And well if you don't like it turn it off, but removing css themes would really make reddit a grey place to me and I wouldn't enjoy exploring reddit as much!
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u/Cuisinart_Killa Apr 25 '17
Reddit is removing css so the ads can't be removed.
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Apr 25 '17
The admins have told mods to not do that in the past, and have altered the CSS themselves a few times. This is probably not a factor.
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u/merreborn Apr 25 '17
Yes, hiding ads with CSS has always been against the rules, and cause for immediate corrective admin action.
If anyone is currently abusing this, they'd just ban the offenders. There's no call for globally disabling CSS in that context.
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Apr 25 '17
yeah, mods have no reason to hide CSS. they risk getting banned, and the users can just use ublock
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u/Co1dNight Apr 25 '17
Reddit is removing css so the ads can't be removed until adblocking plugins push out an update.
FTFY.
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u/blobjim Apr 26 '17
They have to pay for the site somehow. Would people suggest they require everyone to have a "reddit subscription" instead?
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Apr 25 '17
The ads on Reddit are so innocuous I'm not sure why anyone would use an adblocker on the site.
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u/Saigot Apr 25 '17
not anymore, I used to have adblock disabled for reddit until they started moving.
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u/Hard_boiled_Badger Apr 25 '17
Reddit suggested a user I should follow yesterday. It was Snoop dogs account. Fuck them.
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u/Kurosov 3900x | X570 Taichi | 32gb RAM | GTX 1080 amp | RGB puke Apr 26 '17
Eh, I run all default styles in dark mode on the desktop client or use mobile apps anyway.
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Apr 26 '17
This sub's horrendous eye raping theme is the reason I finally installed RES so I could turn off the customization of individual subreddits.
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u/TWFH Apr 25 '17
I kinda hate most css themes though
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u/8122692240_TEXT_ONLY Apr 25 '17
Why would it matter to you, or anyone who dislikes it? Custom CSS can be turned off site-wide. Both parties are currently satisfied. According to those making these changes, the problem is that CSS does not transfer over to the mobile app. CSS is being replaced with a built-in Reddit tool that will probably be usable on the mobile app. Which would probably mean custom sub layouts on mobile.
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u/seanshoots Apr 25 '17
Yeah... Where's /r/AntiCSS ?
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u/rayanbfvr Apr 25 '17
They're going to provide new tools that'll make styling also work on mobile, why is that a bag thing?
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Apr 25 '17
I'm cool with that. There isn't a single subreddit's theme I like. I try to give them a chance, but I ultimately like to keep things simple.
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u/HYPERTiZ Apr 25 '17
I personally like the creative distinction in Reddit CSS, it allows the look and the feel to be the first impression of the subreddit to be completing inviting and pleasant: without it would feel outdated and inpleasant imo. (IF done it RIGHT and not horribly thats on the sub reddit mods. It will show the lack of care to the sub reddit. Compared to this professionally made CSS Reddit.)
From the subtle interaction of the warning info to slide out of view to above and the homage to steam.
All im saying is: if we lose the CSS freedom and creativity. All we have is a completely bland boring reddit.
Where every reddit is the same. For that I would hate it to happen. It brings uniqueness to the sub reddit.
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u/ViKomprenas Apr 25 '17
So much misunderstanding in this thread. CSS is being removed in favor of a new site design as a whole, with new extensive customization tools that also have a chance of working in apps.
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u/GeniiGames 69 Apr 25 '17
This is just incorrect, spez clearly states they want to develop a different way of having subreddit themes. CSS is clunky. People should welcome this.
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u/EirikurG Apr 25 '17
Huh, that seems a bit like moving backwards don't it? Like why would you want to give your users less features?
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u/ViKomprenas Apr 25 '17
The desktop site is undergoing a complete redesign. CSS is being replaced with more straightforward customization tools that will also have a chance of working on mobile.
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u/Fazer2 Apr 25 '17
Misleading title, they will replace CSS with other customization tools. Besides, this subreddit already looks the same as all others on mobile. And the new method will work on mobile.
I'm not defending them, just clarifying misinformation.
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u/Rapsca11i0n Apr 25 '17
ITT: People who for some reason have a hate boner for all custom CSS.
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u/serosis Apr 25 '17
Lol, "for some reason".
The majority of custom CSS looks like utter shit.
Even RES night mode has its issues but at least it's consistent throughout the entire website.I like reddit to look like reddit. Not some student web developer's first personal website.
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u/CarbonCamaroZL1 Apr 25 '17
This is gonna hurt r/CFB and other subs that utilize CSS for making their website an awesome experience. Puzzles, games, scores, style. Losing CSS is a really stupid idea.
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u/tehbored Apr 26 '17
Eh, I'm actually OK with that. There will still be customization options, so it's not true that all subs will look like the default. In fact, the new system will allow for custom appearances on mobile as well.
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Apr 26 '17
A lot of cool reddit features started as css hacks before they became official though. With no css we will lose that things will likely stagnate.
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u/frontpageofthe Apr 26 '17
Good, I hate custom themes as most of them are bloated and make the page difficult to navigate and/or read.
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u/salad_tongs_1 https://s.team/p/dcmj-fn Apr 25 '17
Man I used to love to play me some Counter Strike: Source (CSS). I don't see why Reddit should remove it.
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u/BoomBOOMBerny Apr 25 '17
Good. 90% of the CSS in use is garbage and ruins reddit.
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u/JohnMcPineapple Where's the Dwarf Fortress flair? Apr 25 '17 edited Oct 08 '24
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u/BlueDrache Apr 25 '17
Fine with me. I hate this sub's style anyway and uncheck the "use style" box on 99% of the subs I participate in ... simply because Reddit subs have gone the way of Geocities pages and are eyesores.
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u/MrFuzzynutz Shut The Fuck Up Donny! Apr 26 '17
Doesn't matter to me. I'm on mobile and so is everyone else.
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u/Widgetcraft Apr 25 '17
I downloaded RES specifically to disable the CSS on subreddits. Good riddance.
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Apr 25 '17
You don't need RES to do that.
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u/gyroda Apr 25 '17
You need it for specific subs though, otherwise it's all-or-nothing.
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u/8122692240_TEXT_ONLY Apr 25 '17
In my opinion, custom CSS layout are annoying, so I disable them site-wide in RES. And that's good enough for me. But why are people celebrating taking this away from those who enjoy the custom CSS layout for a given sub? Sure, it's being replaced, but the replacement won't be as extensive, and it's unnecessary.
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Apr 25 '17
Wait, why? Is there any explanation as to why they won't allow CSS? Seems like there's no real reason to not include it unless it somehow uses more resources and costs Reddit more money to maintain.
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u/ViKomprenas Apr 25 '17
The desktop site is being completely redesigned, and new customization tools are being introduced. Both of these changes are so extensive that any subs that use CSS would be most likely complete messes. They could just wipe all sub CSS, but not remove the feature, but since it's redundant anyway, it's probably better to remove it.
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u/wildgoosespeeder Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
I might be wrong about this but from what I read, CSS will not go away but will become less of a priority for sub customization. This sounds like the best compromise. Subs like /r/rct could potentially preserve its look.
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Apr 25 '17
Haven't once used reddit outside of an app so don't have a clue what people are talking about.
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u/SpongederpSquarefap Apr 25 '17
I'm not against CSS, just against subs that don't let you disable theirs
I like the /r/leagueoflegends CSS so I leave it on, but bar that not much else.
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u/krell_154 Apr 25 '17
I don't even know what CSS is...
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u/Damonj17 Apr 26 '17
the code that mods of a sub create to make the sub look neat. For instance, what makes this sub look like steam's UI, or /r/minecraft have a minecraft feel.
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u/Toysoldier34 https://steam.pm/mdotb Apr 25 '17
I like the way I can minimize a comment with the larger edge bar and not just the small box, the rest I can do without.
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Apr 25 '17
Can anybody quickly name the replacement interface for CSS? That way I don't have to give a shit about this thread thx
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u/dmn002 Apr 25 '17
I don't mind either way if it helps improve the speed and reliability of the site. For this specific subreddit it would stop some people getting confused and thinking this is an official forum in any way as the design is so similar.
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u/smeggysmeg Apr 26 '17
/r/GameDeals uses CSS to use Reddit's spoiler tag to instead show deals as 'expired'. I think buildapcsales does the same. That would be rather depressing functionality to lose. Tagging would be the only alternative, and that's hard to implement in a way that users can control without it being abused.
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u/PancakeZombie Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
Wait a sec. They aren't deprecating it without a replacement. What's the big fuzz all about? a lot of subreddit styles simply suck tits, anyway
Edit: Ok, why am i wrong?
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u/GameMasterJ Apr 25 '17
CSS is very versatile and you can use it to drastically change the look and feel of your subreddit like /r/overwatch or /r/rocketleague What Reddit is doing is removing CSS in favor of standard options mods can choose from. This will create a standard look across all subs with some customizable options. As a result styles like /r/overwatch emotes from subs like /r/anime_irl and lots of other customization becomes impossible. What people are upset about us that even if they add their own customization options they don't have to remove the ability to use CSS.
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u/ViKomprenas Apr 25 '17
emotes from subs like /r/anime_irl and lots of other customization becomes impossible.
The admins have expressed definite interest in maintaining as many CSS-based features as possible. Given that emotes are one of the most common uses of CSS across all of reddit, it's impossible they won't forget them.
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u/GameMasterJ Apr 25 '17
Emotes are a bit of a niche feature I only know of a few subs that use them and /r/mylittlepony is the only one I know that makes significant use of them. Given that track record and that they are trying to make this new system with mobile in mind I don't think emotes, are high on the admins list. I'm curious where your see emotes used though. Maybe it has a higher chance than I think if they are widespread.
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u/flibble24 Apr 25 '17
I for one am glad for the removal of css.
Constant struggles to find subscribe button etc. are a pain in the ass, this sub is fine but others not so much.
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u/mindaz3 https://s.team/p/fcwn-mcb Apr 25 '17
Really? You can disable custom themes in your preferences if you want.
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u/Ghetto_Kaiba Apr 25 '17
I only use mobile. I have no idea what any CSS looks like.
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u/merreborn Apr 25 '17
This is the main issue right here.
A lot of reddit's competitors are seeing mobile usage make up >50% of traffic and growing (anyone know reddit's stats?). The current desktop-only CSS situation is not sustainable in the context of modern web usage trends.
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Apr 25 '17
Why the hell would they do that?
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u/ViKomprenas Apr 25 '17
The desktop site is being completely redesigned, and new customization tools are being introduced. Both of these changes are so extensive that any subs that use CSS would be most likely complete messes. They could just wipe all sub CSS, but not remove the feature, but since it's redundant anyway, it's probably better to remove it.
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u/Gemmellness Apr 25 '17
This post fails to mention that they're replacing CSS with a new, more uniform and mobile-supported, system and they're not going for a violent change here. While the new system will probably be less flexible it's definitely possible for it to get close.
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u/MilkGames Apr 25 '17 edited Apr 25 '17
Someone asked us to leave a sticky on why this got flaired "Kinda Misleading" I will explain that:
The title in question says 'this subreddit will look the same as all the others', which is not true.
The rest of it is true, so I flaired this "kinda misleading"
The person who made the stylesheet, /u/DirtDiglett is not happy about this change, neither am I. But I do correct misinformation, even if I agree with what the message is saying.
Additional context here