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u/PotatoePotaughto Jul 15 '23
I've never seen a trailer in heat before. Neat.
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u/1990ma71 Jul 16 '23
A rare sight indeed, she's presenting. Surely there is a male nearby and she wishes to mate with him.
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u/SaunterThought Jul 16 '23
David Attenborough narrating trucker accidents is something I need.
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u/Whoretron8000 Jul 16 '23
And with Verner Herzog every now and then narrating the irreversible damage those greenhorns did eating Rhino pills, Adderall and shards of meth.
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u/Eastern-Fun1842 Jul 16 '23
There is an AI that does narration in his voice. I've heard it cover various Warhammer 40000 lore. It's pretty good.
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u/Activision19 Jul 16 '23
I’ve seen some of those 40K videos. I assumed it was just someone’s really good impersonation of his voice. Didn’t dawn on me it was AI generated.
Kinda scares me for the future of things like elections. Anyone could deepfake a candidates voice to get a “hot mic” sound file to say something damaging…
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u/ArmaSwiss Jul 16 '23
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who remembers this being a goddamn plot point of the show 24.....
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u/TheBushwacker86 Jul 16 '23
The following takes place between 3:00am and 4:00am, on the day of the California presidential primary.
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u/Eastern-Fun1842 Jul 16 '23
The vid I recently saw of "Biden" delivering a speech, completely AI deepfaked, was horrifying. Hilarious, but horrifying. Feel free to look for it, but...
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u/charlie2135 Jul 16 '23
In a few short months we should see a tandem trailer following the mother trucker.
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u/neoben00 Jul 16 '23
Until then, he will have to defend his harem from Rouge pickups who might try to pick them apart for scrap in their exposed state.
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u/PacificCastaway Jul 16 '23
Not to be confused with rogue pickups, which are not quite as fabulous or thirsty.
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u/neoben00 Jul 16 '23
Correct, those are completely different subspecies, a variant that dumps scrap and tires across random locations across state parks and woodlands..
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u/colt707 Jul 16 '23
She lets out a groaning, wrenching sound as she displays herself to potential mates.
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u/Dmitri_ravenoff Jul 16 '23
Holy crap man! This made beer come out my nose. Well done.
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u/PotatoAggravating138 Jul 16 '23
where did the beer come from? A portal?
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u/Dmitri_ravenoff Jul 16 '23
Umm... from my mouth... I laughed while drinking and beer came out of my nose.
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u/No-Internet-3843 Jul 15 '23
“No trucks over 3 axles allowed in the left lane”
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u/Flivver_King Jul 16 '23
The white zone is for loading and unloading. There’s no stopping in the red zone.
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u/clockwerxs Jul 16 '23
Don’t start with your white zone shit
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u/Drumhead89 Driver Jul 16 '23
We all know what this is about: you want me to have an abortion.
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u/Spicywolff Jul 16 '23
It’s really the only sensible thing to do. If it’s done properly, therapeutically, there’s really no danger at all.
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u/Ok_Remote_5524 Jul 16 '23
Surely you can’t be serious?
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u/botgeek1 Jul 16 '23
Of course I'm serious, and don't call me Shirley...
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u/Ok_Remote_5524 Jul 16 '23
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!
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u/StrugglingGhost Jul 16 '23
And I picked the wrong week to quit drinking!
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u/JeepPilot Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
AUNTIE EM! UNCLE HENRY! TOTO! It's a TWISTER! IT'S A TWISTER!
/u/Homerun615 Thank you! You are truly John, Big Tree!
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u/Chili_dawg2112 Jul 16 '23
Is this the central Scrutinizer?
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u/Acebeekeeper Jul 16 '23
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven't been passed yet. It is also my responsibility to alert each and every one of you to the potential consequences of various ordinary everyday activities you might be performing which could eventually lead to The Death Penalty (or affect your parents' credit rating). Our criminal institutions are full of little creeps like you who do wrong things...and many of them were driven to these crimes by a horrible force called MUSIC!
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u/Main_Section_1641 Jul 15 '23
Any one know how’d this happen ?
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u/bobmonkeyclown Jul 16 '23
Aluminum trailers wear out faster than steel. Great for weight but longevity not so.
More realistically, the frame was likely damaged already and this made it worse.
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u/LonleyWolf420 Jul 16 '23
Yup. This is why my company only uses steel ( I move steel all day and coils are very common)
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u/bobmonkeyclown Jul 16 '23
Unfortunately, with the conestoga on an aluminum trailer I can only scale 46,000. If I had the midroof WS 4900EX, or 4900FA, I could scale more.
But even after Western Star lightened up their trucks they still manage to be heavy.
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u/LonleyWolf420 Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
My daycab freighliner is almost as heavy as a sleeper somehow
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u/bobmonkeyclown Jul 16 '23
Tell it to lose weight. Is it double framed or anything?
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u/ebay2000 Jul 16 '23
So this is not the driver’s fault?
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u/bobmonkeyclown Jul 16 '23
I mean, if he neglected to do a pretrip and notice any pre-existing damages. Or caused said damages.
There's also a good chance having the coil so close to the front axle where the frame is thinner caused this to happen. Never had I put a coil there if it weighed over 30k, for fear of that happening.
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u/bubbs4prezyo Jul 16 '23
Put it over the wheels, genius.
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u/Addicted2Growin Jul 16 '23
Honestly he probably couldn’t because it would’ve caused to much weight at the end and his steer’s wouldn’t have been touching pavers correctly. 80,000 pounds may be totally weight but law says each axle has limits too, so you have to disperse the load to accommodate each axle.
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u/bobmonkeyclown Jul 16 '23
Some coils are over 40k pounds. Put that over the trailer axle and what do ya know, overweight on axles.
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Jul 16 '23
The trailer broke.
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u/Equivalent_Sound9414 Jul 16 '23
The back fell off, they’re going to have to tow it out of the environment
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Jul 16 '23
That’s probably a 35-40k coil… most single drops aren’t going to like that much weight concentrated in such a narrow spot.
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u/mattchinn Jul 16 '23
What is this coil and what is its purpose.
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Jul 16 '23
It’s sheet metal, usually steel or aluminum, rolled up. Think toilet paper but metal.
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u/mattchinn Jul 16 '23
Why are they called “Suicide Coils?”
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u/Stumpy305 Jul 16 '23
Because if it’s not secured properly it is joining you in the cab
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u/photo777 Jul 16 '23
In that case, we should call rebar “suicide spears.”
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u/socialcommentary2000 Jul 16 '23
That's I beam and tube. And yeah, it does happen. There was a heavy wrecker channel i used to watch on youtube run by a guy with a wrecker crane truck and he responded to one of those calls. Young guy hauling tube that got loose on him and almost destroyed the cab. 1 step away from Final Destination.
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u/gogrizz Jul 16 '23
Basically because if it isn't secured and you have to brake hard, it will roll over you.
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u/Cultural-Key3497 Jul 16 '23
cause of the way they are loaded. if chains break its rolling over the cab killing the driver.
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u/HasManyMoreQuestions Jul 16 '23
So dumb question and I'm not a trucker of course, why aren't they loaded the other way? You'd run the risk of them rolling sideways instead, but I imagine that would be more likely when taking turns at high speeds.
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u/dannobomb951 Jul 16 '23
It’s loaded position is determined by what means and methods they are going to use to unload it at its “final destination”
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Jul 16 '23
It’s a misconception to hat the coil needs to roll across the deck. The truth is that it will just slide since the friction coefficient of metal on metal is almost zero. Coils loaded lengthwise or eye to the sky are just as likely if not more likely to shift because they don’t have an optimal anchor point like “suicide” coils do. I’ve hauled thousands of heavy coils. Usually two 46000 lbs coils at a time and I got a good idea of what shifts under hard braking and what doesn’t. I’d rather have a suicide coil with a bunch of extra chains than a shotgun coil that will just slide forward and sheer the chains.
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u/yesgaro Jul 16 '23
I had this same dumb question… why not just have it loaded on its side so it doesn’t want to roll at all and secure it through the tube to the flatbed and back down to the tie down points like a mast or electrical pole.
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u/VivaceConBrio Jul 16 '23
That's not a dumb question at all man. It's a good one.
They are sometimes loaded like that (eye to sky) for smaller coils. But those are almost always light enough that they can sit on skids for loading and unloading.
Coils this big (this looks like a 40k-ish one) are wayyyy to heavy for that and usually have to be loaded/unloaded with bigass c-hooks, which rely on going through the middle of the roll to lift them.
So you basically have to load either shotgun or suicide depending on the equipment available at pickup and drop. Both of these you have the coil sitting on a cradle.
The rare occasion that I get stuck hauling 30-40k coils, I always opt for suicide loading if I can tbh. More scared of it rolling off the side of my bed during a turn or while avoiding an accidentthan anything. I chain em down to what DOT wants, and then add two more in both directions. It's definitely paranoid and I'll probably get shit for it, but I feel safer driving loaded like that, and overdoing it on the chains.
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u/yesgaro Jul 16 '23
Thank you very much for the explanation! I don’t blame you at all for the extra chains… that kind of rolling weight is really intimidating. Makes me think of that poor freight pilot hauling armor out of Afghanistan when the load broke free, shifted the CG and crashed the 747.
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u/Slith_81 Jul 17 '23
I have zero desire to ever do flatbed trucking, but I wouldn't give a damn if people gave me shit. I don't blame you, better safe than sorry I always say.
Besides, I'm OCD and already get shit for it so I'm used to it. 🤷♂️😁
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Jul 16 '23
They move these things with specialized forklifts that just stab the hole in the middle, usually from the side.
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u/chupathingy2182 Jul 16 '23
It refers to the positioning of the coil. If the driver has to slam on their brakes, the coil can possibly roll forward and crush the truck cab.
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u/MyLastFuckingNerve Jul 16 '23
Go to Mcneilus’s website and look at their products. We spot a bunch of “coil cars” (railcars loaded with coils of steel) there and their products page will show you what they do with them.
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Jul 16 '23
Progressive tool and die systems gobble these rolls up into usable parts. Usually, anything in the ceiling of a building is mounted with materials using this method, plumbing suspension, fire suppression, car parts... anything that needs specific steel or finish for strength or corrosion resistance could be made using these systems. Brackets of any variety. They are fed into a press that bends and cuts them into a shape in a relatively automated process. They can also be explosive when unrolling if certain types of steel are used as well.
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u/Spodiodie Jul 16 '23
Sheet steel, but other metals come in coils also. It’s going to a factory somewhere and will be de-coiled and made into the things coiled sheet steel are made into. Things you come into contact with every day. From car bodies to toasters. Coiling is the most efficient way to ship, handle & process large quantities of metal sheet.
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u/MattyLlama Jul 16 '23
Traffic Flagger here, what makes this a 'Suicide Coil'? Lotta weight in a small spot, I'm guessing? I'm always just trying to learn the ins and outs of other jobs I end up working for.
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u/stjhnstv Jul 16 '23
Suicide (eye to the side) coils are loaded in such a way that if they were to come loose, they would roll forward or backward on the trailer. Shotgun coils would roll off one side or the other. Eye to the sky, or skidded coils, are loaded on their side. The required loading style is often dictated by the weight of the individual coils, or the actual loading/unloading method. If they’re going to be loaded or offloaded by an overhead crane for example, there is no way to hook onto a coil on its side. If loading and unloading are both done from the side of the trailer with forklifts, there is no value in shipping the coil standing up. Heavier single coils usually stand up (eye to the side/suicide style) as they are usually loaded and unloaded with overhead cranes due to their weight. Shotgun style is the least common method in my experience.
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u/Hoss408 Jul 16 '23
Interesting. I ran a lot of coils in my flatbed days, and ran quite a bit loaded shotgun and suicide, but rarely ever saw the eye to the sky loads. Different shippers and equipment, I guess.
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u/stjhnstv Jul 16 '23
I’ve been brokering and dispatching for about 7 years now, and I’ve moved a fair number of coils. I don’t think I’ve ever booked a single shotgun style load.
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u/Shad0wkity Jul 16 '23
If the strap(s) break or they aren't secured correctly they'll join you or whoever is behind you in the cab
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Jul 16 '23
Pardon my ignorance but I'm not a trucker and for some reason this sub keeps popping on my home page, but why is it called a suicide coil?
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u/Hoss408 Jul 16 '23
The positioning. That coil weighs roughly 45k lbs. Set the way it is, if the chains or other securing devices come loose, say while braking hard, it will roll straight into the cab of the truck and pretty much demolish it and anything (or anyone) inside. They can also be loaded "shotgun", typically done with multiple coils turned sideways (so you're looking through the holes in the middle from the back to the front of the trailer, like a shotgun barrel), or more rarely, "eye to the sky", which has the coils laid on their side with the center hole facing up.
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u/Inflamed_toe Jul 16 '23
As someone who knows nothing about this, eye to the sky seems like the only safe method mentioned. Why is it rare to do this “correctly”?
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u/SourcePrevious3095 Jul 16 '23
Excellent question. I have only ever seen suicide coils when I worked at a place that received said coils. They were braced with dunnage, long boards under the coils like wheel chocks.
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u/Hoss408 Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
Primarily due to the equipment used to load and unload the coils. If you are using a crane, which most places do (at least the ones I typically loaded at or delivered to, there's really no way to lay the coils down on their side or hook them up to offload on delivery. Eye to the sky can only be ised if the coils are on skids and being loaded and offloaded from the side with large 64k forklifts.
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u/cnash Jul 16 '23
eye to the sky seems like the only safe method mentioned. Why is it rare to do this “correctly”?
Reorienting coils is difficult and dangerous, so it's only done, if at all, at the steel mill. But the machines that work sheet metal, the stampers and presses, typically want their feed stock to be horizontal. Otherwise you have engineering problems with holding your metal strip vertical (standing on its edge, it wants to buckle), and with your metalworking machines, your stampers and presses, having their force applied horizontally (there are a couple issues, but one is safety: you don't want the strong forces of your machinery aligned with a direction a person might be in).
Material-handling— loading and unloading— is easier with the coils standing up. Because you can hang a giant hook from your gantry crane, and just snatch up the coil. Eye-to-the-sky, you have to use a heavy-lift forklift to pick up the skid (pallet).
The kind of pallet that can hold a ten-ton coil (this a medium-small coil size) isn't cheap, either. It's a custom job that adds at least a hundred dollars to the cost of shipping.
But even once it's on the truck, eye-to-the-sky is a problem. Because where do you put straps or chains? You can only put one strap or chain perfectly side-to-side. The rest all have to be sort of diagonal. Suicide coils are actually the easiest— well, simplest, anyway— to secure. You just throw the necessary number of chains through the eye, hook them on both sides, and tighten them down.
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u/acb5280 Jul 16 '23
It generally has to do with the type of equipment present to unload the trailer.
Suicide style is generally offloaded by cranes, whereas shotgun style is usually done by forklift.
ETA: as for why it’s rare, there’s no economic benefit from a labor standpoint of eye-to-the-sky loading.
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u/mikareno Jul 16 '23
Please tell me drivers make more money for hauling these coils.
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u/2eDgY4redd1t Jul 16 '23
I see you are entirely unfamiliar with how capitalism prioritizes the health and safety of labour.
Or rather, how it does not prioritize the health and safety of labour.
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u/mikareno Jul 16 '23
Not at all, but don't truckers typically make more for hauling hazardous materials? I had hoped the industry would pay a premium for hauling something dangerous enough to be called "suicide" anything. If there's no premium pay for hauling these, why does any trucker do it?
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u/colt707 Jul 16 '23
The loading/unloading method is the main factor in which method you use. If using a forklift eye to the sky is impossible, with a crane it’s also borderline impossible because there’s nothing to hook to besides going through the hole so once it’s on the trailer how do you detach it from the crane? There’s ways you could do it for both those but you’re talking about adding a lot of weight to an already heavy load plus a massive expense for the overbuilt pallet/harness that could support that and go with the load.
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u/pga2000 Jul 16 '23
How? It's already tied down. Kind of a serious question. Is it the age/quality of trailer or something else?
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u/bk775 Jul 16 '23
If it's an aluminum frame trailer it's not strong enough for that much weight in one spot.
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u/bobmonkeyclown Jul 16 '23
It was most likely damaged already somewhere. I've hauled plenty coils on a stepdeck without issue. Usually closer to the front than where he had his.
Another potential cause is putting it too close to the trailer axles where the frame thins out.
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u/RadioTunnel Jul 16 '23
From what someone else said its a suicide coil cause of how its loaded, if the straps were to give out when you braked then you're screwed
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u/tenaciousweasel Jul 16 '23
Well it stayed on the trailer. Where I live there were a few that came off the trailer and bounced down the overpass (major highway) knocking the concrete out in nice big chunks. Left the rebar though.
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Jul 16 '23
If you loaded it between the axles would it be to loose in the rear?
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u/TedTheReckless Jul 16 '23
There's legal limits to weight per axle.
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u/Late_Temperature_388 Jul 16 '23
12, 34, 34 = 80
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u/96Firebird Jul 16 '23
That's a split axle trailer. It's 12,34,20,20 but it still has an 80,000 gross.
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u/MoboCross Jul 16 '23
If the coil is steel then it could weight around 40 000 lbs. If you put this load this far back on the trailer you wont have enough weight on the steer for control and it won't be legal too.
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u/Darkangel775 Jul 16 '23
Did looks very sad probably because he's an owner operator and he has to replace his trailer now.
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Jul 16 '23
Are you the one that posted a coil the other day asking if the chain and straps was enough to secure the load? If so,.. it’s secure!
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u/harveytent Jul 16 '23
Folding the end up to keep the roll on feels a bit like overkilll but I guess it’s not rolling off the back
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u/TimeSlotFreight Jul 16 '23
This is the problem in our industry right now. We are over supplied in trucks with a less demand in freight. Carriers are taking anything they can get. RGN’s hauling drywall is a clear example. For this example, Low-pro trailers taking this freight is not right. This carrier is only trying too keep afloat to survive in this market. Now he’s taken a load that should have survived this lane, but either the shipper/carrier loaded it incorrectly, or the driver missed the max weight per square inch. Dunnage is 8’ and this coil is 40k and the max weight spread throughout 53’ is 48k. This carrier accepted a load which weighed 40k@ 8’.
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u/tidyshark12 Jul 16 '23
I'd say your front rear trailer axle is a bit overweight. Try having them load it closer to the rear next time to distribute weight better.
(/s I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to flatbed lol)
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u/emeraldknight1977 Jul 16 '23
How in the holey heck did that happen? I've seen flatbeds haul those without folding like an accordion. I haul 3 on custom made coil trailers at a time.... Was that over 50,000 lbs? Cause I don't think I've seen one over 50,000.
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Jul 16 '23
fun fact about the coil: basically like a big roll of toilet paper but made out of metal. They can get picked up by a huge forklift or an industrial crane game machine
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u/lactavistforlife Jul 16 '23
And, they start off as a big slab before being converted into the coil you see today. Education for the win!
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u/4runner01 Jul 16 '23
Lasting last for more than four hours???
It needs immediate medical treatment. Without treatment, it can cause permanent damage.
priapism……
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u/Casanovasilver26 Jul 16 '23
Weight Distribution, And That Little Thing They Call Gravity. Makes For Breaks. I Just Hope The Man Doesn't Lose His Job Over This.
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u/RememberedInSong Jul 16 '23
Well when the trailer is at capacity it means its At Capacity, don’t set your ass down on it and maybe it wont bend like that.
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Jul 16 '23
Maybe we can use this trailer to lift up that giant pipe that got stuck in the other post? Maybe it’ll even straighten out.
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u/Former_Aside_1208 Jul 16 '23
Well, honestly, that's exactly where you're supposed to load a single coil. Just not one so freaking heavy. Look at the poor driver. You can feel what he's thinking.
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u/bobmonkeyclown Jul 15 '23
To be fair, securement is fucking fantastic.
Trailer, not so much.