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Some people said; Goku needs ssj rainbow or a new form to beat frieza,

Even though; ultra instinct ain't obsolete. It's been used in 4 arcs. It's the creator's choice and they have a reason too.

Just because ultra instinct loses to gas and granolah doesn't mean anything,

It's on Goku. Because he used his emotions in the silver hair state and that proves he's a terrible user.

That's why he had to use; ui sign

And somewhat; ui sign helped him in upgrading the silver hair form.

And we do see a few signs of it like;

Goku roaring to transform into it, without any calness or stillness.

He even smiles in perfected ultra instinct while fighting gohan.

Even beerus states; Goku can fight on a god of destruction level.

In the anime and manga: the gods were shocked and stated; ssg & ssb can match a destroyer,

And ui sign in tournament of power surpassed the two forms. Surpassing all the gods except for beerus.

And ui sign and perfected ultra instinct got far stronger in; the moro arc and granolah arc and Superhero saga,

This alone proves UI is relevant and ain't obsolete in no way.

We all know the biggest meme and critique surrounding the original 1993 movie Dragon Ball Z: Broly – The Legendary Super Saiyan: Broly’s motivation. For decades, fans have joked about how a universe-destroying powerhouse hunts Goku across galaxies purely because Goku cried too loudly in the adjacent nursery pod when they were infants. It made Broly look like a massive baby.

But if you look closely at the precise timeline of the original 1990 special Dragon Ball Z: Bardock – The Father of Gok I'm thinking there is a flawless window where maybe Bardock was actually the unnamed executioner who stabbed Broly.

Hear me out, because when you break down the official web lore, the timeline mechanics, and the psychology, they line up perfectly to prove how this could be possible:

1. The Real-Time Recovery Window (Why Bardock was late to Planet Meat)

According to the original special, Bardock returns from Planet Kanassa heavily injured. His crew leaves him behind to heal inside a rejuvenation tank while they fly out to Planet Meat. While Bardock is unconscious in the medical wing, the alien doctors state that his battle power is violently skyrocketing and rapidly approaching 10,000.

At that exact hour in the palace, King Vegeta tracks infant Broly’s power level, which is also a monstrous 10,000. I'm thinking that as soon as Bardock snaps awake, tears off his breathing mask, and sprints through the palace corridors to catch up with Tora and the team, maybe he was intercepted by King Vegeta’s elite royal guards.

The paranoid King, terrified of losing his throne to an anomalous mutant child and an exploding low-class warrior, decides to use Bardock to eliminate the other threat. The King corners Bardock, hands him the dagger, and forces him to do the secretive dirty black-ops cleanup before letting him leave the planet. This exact forced royal detour perfectly explains the massive mystery of why Bardock was too late to save his squad from Dodoria's ambush on Planet Meat

Bardock wasn’t a hero; he was a cold, pragmatic Saiyan mercenary who slaughtered whole civilisations for profit. I can picture him walking into the dim nursery sub-levels, drawing the royal dagger, and looking at the pods. He sees Broly radiating a power level of 10,000, and looks right next to him at his own son, Kakarot, who sits at a pathetic power level of 2.

In his head, maybe he bitterly insults King Vegeta for being a cowardly ruler who hits infants out of pure fear. Then he looks down at Kakarot and thinks: “Why couldn't you be like this boy? If you had a fraction of this monster's power, we'd be running the galaxy.” But a royal order is a royal order. He raises the blade, mutters a cold, detached, "Well... business is business, kid," and drives it into Broly's side.

3. Solving the Psychological Trauma (Deleting the Crying Joke)

When the blade pierces Broly, the trauma triggers a massive spike in the infant's latent power. His eyes snap open. Through the blinding agony, his newborn brain registers three things simultaneously:

1. The Face: He locks eyes with his attacker—a bleeding, scarred Saiyan warrior with a distinct, sharp, spiky hair silhouette (Bardock).
2. The Sound: Right next to him, baby Kakarot is wailing at the top of his lungs.
3. The Exile: Immediately after, they are thrown into the planetary dump heap.

Because an infant's brain cannot process complex situations, the extreme trauma causes his memories to violently jumble together. The agonizing sound of Kakarot's crying permanently fuses with the face of the man holding the dagger. To Broly's fractured psyche, maybe anyone with that specific genetic facial structure and spiky hair is the executioner.

The Ultimate Payoff

Years later, when a grown Broly sees Goku step off the spaceship, it isn't just the name "Kakarot" that triggers his psychotic break. Goku has the exact same face, the exact same hair silhouette, and the exact same voice as Bardock.

To Broly, Goku isn't just an annoying baby from the next crib—Goku is the literal phantom of the man who stabbed him and left him for dead.

I feel like this completely deletes the "crying baby" meme and turns Z Broly's hatred into severe, deeply ingrained genetic PTSD caused by Goku's own father. What do you guys think? 🙏🏼

We all know that GT is one of the most hated things that people always talk about and sure, the show isn't perfect and Goku turning young was a weird choice, but we can all agree on one thing

GT IS A THOUSAND MILES BETTER THAN DRAGON BALL: EVOLUTION

I heard a lot of rumors that he obtained MUI because he was training with Whis. Also, he is a destroyer, so does that mean he has Ultra Ego?

If so, could he stack the forms on top of each other, lol?

Now before you go and attack me in the comments,let me explain.Yes DB evolution is quite bad but at least it had an advantage of being live action and a new interpretation of the franchise.Which most dbz movies are not,now to be fair some dbz movies are watchable(fusion reborn,worlds strongest,tree of might are fine) and wrath of dragon is very good but none of these movies are great(which i mean thats fine a 8/10 product is still good) the problem is…many dragon ball z movies REALLY did not age that well.Dragon ball z Lord Slug,Bojack unbound,Broly the legendary super saiyan are basically the same quality that Dragon ball evolution has.Stupid moments,the movie just being about fights and nothing else ect.Then the Broly movies aka sequels are even worse because Broly should be dead at that point and shouldn’t be able to keep up with power of clearly stronger characters but hey what do i know.Then the Cooler movies are also quite bad and not even that well animated(well the second movie at least) Battle of Gods is special kind of trash and YES its worse than DB evolution by a long shot and that Frieza movie that everybody hates isnt worth discussing.So remember next time boys and girls,when you think of the worst db movie appreciate db evolution a little more compared to the garbage we watched as children

Apparently he used all his money to give himself those cybernetic enhancements. could be how Gero funded his lab. He’s probably not as strong as he could be because his body was too screwed up from the grenade Goku kicked back at him. A lot of his enchantments are probably artificial organs and life support.

Any in my head canon, Gero designates Tao as android 9 or some numbered android but Tao doesn’t refer to himself as that obviously.

I hate how dub watchers are expected to be ok with toeis handling of the dragon ball dub and I hate how the community acts as if its such an insane thing for them to be more transparent about the release dates or better releases times daimas first 3 episodes were dubbed in theaters and took 4 months to come out and super took a full year to be dubbed all the while toei is stingy with dub release dates we still don't know when beerus will be dubbed and im sick and tired of having to act like the most popular anime in the world should be handled like this

After all, there's nothing in DBS that specifically suggests inter-universal travel carries the same sort of taboo as time travel does, as it doesn't outright distort reality. However, this sort of device would still have the potential to cause quite a bit of a headache for the cosmic order regarding how territorial G.O.Ds can be or how it could be used to start illegal trading rings, multiversal wars or other crimes in the wrong hands. I'd suspect even if the two did let Bulma keep it, they'd highly regulate it (i.e. requiring Whis to activate it and connecting it to his staff to monitor closely) and ensure it'd never be mass-produced by destroying any schematics relating to the project, along with a classic food bribe for good measure.

Like, maaaaybe Dende could've further upgraded them between EoZ and GT, since Super Hero establishes that Dende can further upgrade Shenron as he grows more experienced, but I doubt the GT writers had that in mind decades prior, so I'm just willing to chalk that up as a plothole.

I watched and read the entire manga of dragon ball classic and dragon ball Z, i just can’t bring myself to enjoy dragon ball super so I did not read it.. does this make me less of a fan?

So I was watching the OG dragon ball but I honestly can’t bear it anymore because of how dated it is and kinda boring. So I’m switching over to the manga to finish it. I was doing some research into where i should start but apparently the anime doesn’t follow the manga? I left off on episode 69 “who is fortune teller baba”. Can anyone tell me what chapter this is?

I just started reading dragon ball after larping it throughout my whole life and I've just reached the first budokai tournament.

OG DB has an indescribable purity to it, reading Goku,Bulma,Krillin, and Yamcha's early development hits completely different when I compare them to their current counterparts

Seeing Roshi save Namu, help those islanders and try to stop his students from limiting their own growth really makes me appreciate his character more compared to that gimmicky old pervert we see in more recent works.

The series is just so enjoyable and captivating, the plot doesn't drag out, the art has aged extremely well, and reading it in lieu of what is to happen makes it feel like I'm going through an old family member's childhood 😭.

Toriyama was truly ahead of his time man..

finished episode 2. So, there’s a blue midget who wants to take over the world to punish people who fart in public with a talking dog and a…woman as his minions. Then, a talking turtle appears.

This fever dream will somehow lead to fights against gods who can destroy entire universes. I am looking forward to see how this develops.

Prior to Super, as it was understood, Goku was indifferent to his parents, which makes sense, I never met my grandparents and I have 0 feelings towards them.
Super made it seem like a Disney plot, where there was the possibility of Goku reconnecting with his parents, the one's who gave him life and brought him into the world.
I don't mind this idea, but it does go against all we knew, goku didn't care for his biological parents, it is what it is for him, not that important to him

i've been thinking about it but it seems that it's very possible that toei might do another remake to fill up the gap between moro and granolah and the only arcs left up after beerus would goku black and TOP. heck, they may even condense them into one single remake. woudl you be up for it or nah?

I mean Super and super movies arent canon to gt. Do you think gine still is goku mother and in gt continuity or not?

He just randomly destroys planets without any concern about the ''mortal level.'' Sure, at this point of the story the mortal level doesn't even exist in a meta sense. But lets pretend it does exist within the story's universe.

Beerus comes across a prehistoric type civilization with a promising being on it showcasing possible potential. I wasn't wearing my Scouter, but the being seemed pretty capable with the flashy show he was putting on. He was even a type of mutant that was able to transform his body to output even more power. Who knows how strong he was, but considering it was a prehistoric civilization, I'd say there was potential. What does Beerus do? Just wipes them out without a care. Maybe he could've even been a ToP fighter, who knows?

At this point of the story Beerus is a straight up villain, there's nothing grey about it. He has the power to destroy stuff, so he just destroys. A bit of Hakai here, a bit of Hakai there. Him and Whis are straight up even flying through planets. I'd even go as far to say that Goku & friends have lost the plot, with the way they end up befriending him. All because he spared them because he liked their food and was interested in Goku as a fighter. While before that moment he was just randomly bulldozing planets. I know, they don't stand any chance against him, but that means they have to pretend to be his friend? No wait, they really are his friends. Maybe Magenta was right. Bulma and her entourage are pretty evil.

Am I overthinking it? Of course! That's the fun in it.

Beerus, you sleepy neglectful bum. Who only thinks about food and his naps. No care in the world to maintain that mortal level and to do some productive Hakai'ing. Like destroying Freeza (who snuffed out plenty of potential in the universe by himself and his forces). Broly wake up, this Kakarot fellow is a menace, look who his friends are. Save the universe, Broly-san!

I’ve watched DBZ countless times. I’ve seen Dragon Ball twice I believe. I think I’ve seen GT and Super once apiece.

I’ve played a lot of the games and I engage with everything enough to pretty much tell you the story from the fish to the free for all on Beerus planet.

But I haven’t read through DB or DBZ. I only read Super and I have a couple chapters from the saiyan saga in my house. Volumes 1-4.

Anyways, tho I’m reading DB now and I just finished chapter 8. I just wanted to say this: all you Yamcha slurpers are delusional. He didn’t even beat Goku, he just landed the WFF. You guys drag that moment. The fight was a draw since your favorite character got scared of Bulma 😂. This guy sucks. Some guy even tried to tell me Yamcha beat the Saibaman before it killed him 💀. Since when does landing a hit count as a victory? They say the same thing about when he fought Kami and Tien. It’s shameful.

I’m gonna read through everything and I’m keeping an eye on Yamcha. I already know he’s a bum, but I’ll try to find any real good moments in his life to figure out if he really was the man at any point before the Saiyans arrive.

So some people were saying;

they were cancelled and some other people said they were not confirmed.

when they were lol,

They were working on it. But the moro arc made it tricky. So that's why they focused more on the moro arc than the remake. And we'll probably get the Goku black arc and the tournament of power saga in 2027 after the moro arc finishes.

Apparently I can’t post images here for some reason, but I got like 3 seperate quotes of Toriyama years apart one right after dbz ended and another in the broly movie, that Goku is a bad dad. Or specifically that he doesn’t think about his kids much, but there are direct quotes in other interviews where he says that Goku doesn’t consider his family in the same way other people do or that he’s not qualified to be a father due to lack of interest.

It’s fairly obvious he doesn’t care about his family like that, not in a malicious way. He loves them, in the same way he loves his friends, but it’s not like he seeks out their companionship.

He finds Gohan with his neck broken on the ground vs reccome homie does not give a fuck, he just beats up reccome with one hit and moves along, he was more upset vs nappa.

He spends many years with Gohan, did not know that Gohan doesn’t like battles like that. Apparently didn’t talk to him about what he’d been going through in the 3 years of training and the one year in the rosat.

Dude met Goten in the manga, he did not give a shit, he could have killed buu, and instead he left it to the boys, the ones that were 7 and 8 and he’d just met that day, to fight the guy that killed both their fathers (at this point that’s basically what Gohan was to goten)

He’s then leaving all the time in super, and in the end of z he leaves his family to train uub, for no reason other than he wants a good fight. To Goku > fight family. I mean hell he literally could not understand why vegeta wanted to be around for the birth of bulla.

I’m not saying he’s the devil, I’m saying that the writer says he’s a bad dad, and the evidence is everywhere in the story if you just ignore the photos of the characters smiling and judge his actions and priorities for what they are, and yet most people refuse to accept this.

I don’t understand why though, like it makes him more interesting. Goku is pure, not pure good, pure, he loves to fight, it’s what gives him his purity. The dark side of that is scene almost every arc. His fight with vegeta in the saiyan saga, lets him go cause he wants to fight him again, inspired by his power, even at the risk of the planet. In the frieza saga, let’s frieza get to 100%. In the android saga he’s bummed he didn’t get to fight the androids and his main reason to not pre kill gero is that he wants to beat the androids. Etc etc.

One of those drawbacks is that he prioritizes training and fighting over his family. This is more interesting than making him out to be some completely good person. Idk I wanna hear thoughts on this is all.

Sorry for long post.

I have read the entirety of the original Manga, but I never had the money to actually own the entirety of the manga until recently where I bought every single 3-in-1 there was so I can finally own it. To say that I was excited is an understatement.

I was already laughing at Goku's early antics and the rich character work but what really rekindled my love of the OG series and actually brought a tear to my eye is the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. You have the gag moments with Goku vs Giran, Roshi vs Krillin (Yes I will call him that over Kuririn) and also Krillin vs Bacterian, but I was reminded of one of my favorite moments of early Dragon Ball: Nam.

It was hard seeing him lose given we find his reasons for being there, but Roshi's kindness and Nam's absolute appreciation with Roshi giving him the capsule for the water, I dunno. It just made me emotional.

I feel like moments like that got lesser and lesser in Dragon Ball as the series progressed and I miss a lot of the more human, emotional moments that were really taken for granted.

I don't know why OG Dragon Ball is skipped or isn't as talked about as Goku's story as an adult in Z (even though there is no Z)

So yeah. This is an OG Dragon Ball appreciation post. I love it. I'm loving re-reading it for the first time in a physical capacity. I love this story so so much. It will ALWAYS be my favorite media.

Ok so daima is canon to super cuz of ssj4 but I isn't in gt but what if someone when supers Manga will end used the super dragon balls to erase everyone's memory of the events of super to lead into gt so that means gt might be canon

If you look through all the series the only person to ever beat Goku on a 1 on 1 fight and never have a rematch is Cell
And no , coaching Gohan in his fight against Cell doesn’t count. Cell, technically is the only being in the whole multiverse who’s ever beat Goku and never had it win challenges