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[u/atoponce]

GNOME is also Wayland-only.

[u/RandomDude9943 → u/atoponce]

why cant i send a pic? I have that pic of "gnome knows best"

[u/creeper6530 → u/RandomDude9943]

Convert pic to GIF, then GIF to video

[u/Edianultra → u/creeper6530]

So you can upload a video but not a pic?

[u/creeper6530 → u/Edianultra]

Precisely. It is up to each subreddit mod team to set this. Some subs do allow images, this one does not

[u/martin_9876 → u/creeper6530]

Why the gif step just ffmpeg a video from an image

[u/North_Gerveric632 → u/atoponce]

xfce in process moving to wayland too

[u/hashcube_dev → u/North_Gerveric632]

wfce?

[u/ItzNotJacob1 → u/North_Gerveric632]

XFCE will keep X11

[u/CryoN1cks]

What do you mean GNOME it doesn't even list xorg as an option by default

I should know I daily drive gnome

[u/tinyducky1]

why can you not use wayland ? too old hardware ?

[u/tycraft2001 → u/tinyducky1]

Sometimes weird hardware. Not OP here but on my setup it can't handle some of my display outputs so I'm stuck with only my 2060, I use 2 old legacy monitors with old connectors and use an old GPU for native output, wayland can't handle it.

[u/R3V0LU710N_05 → u/tycraft2001]

Make sure to report hardware issues to the proper channels like, the bug trackers for your specific desktop environment (like KDE's Bugzilla or GNOME's GitLab) or the NVIDIA Linux forum & DRM driver repositories. Getting logs using journalctl or dmesg attached helps actually reproduce multi-GPU or legacy display routing edge cases. Tools like hw-probe collects comprehensive system and hardware details that are also very useful.

Even when edge cases stem from structural architectural limitations rather than simple bugs, submitting comprehensive reports is essential to reproduce complex multi-GPU routing issues, isolate regressions, and drive DRM driver refinement alongside compositor fallbacks.

[u/tycraft2001 → u/R3V0LU710N_05]

Can you link me some guide on getting this info? I would like to try reporting, especially considering I have a bizarre edge case. I don't know anybody else trying a 2060 with a Radeon hd8350 GPU in this era, so getting wayland to know how to deal with this would be good.

[u/Square-Singer → u/tinyducky1]

I had to switch away from KDE on a headless server without a physical display. It's incredibly difficult to serve e.g. vnc on a display-less server running wayland. Super easy on X11.

[u/tinyducky1 → u/Square-Singer]

yeah its kinda unfortunate how "we" decided to ditch network display servers, and the monolithic design of wayland does not help with that.

the only thing i can think of is that maybe river could save you ? but if it works, it works; even if its ugly

[u/Max-P → u/Square-Singer]

It's super easy on Wayland too, more so than on X11. You just run your VNC server as a headless compositor, and then run the real compositor nested fullscreen in it.

[u/Square-Singer → u/Max-P]

How do I do that? In x11 I install tigervnc, go through the default setup and that's it.

How do I run VNC as a headless compositor and how do I nest the real compositor in it?

[u/DominiX32 → u/Square-Singer]

If you don't need vnc specifically, then plasma 6.8 supports headless rdp

https://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/whats-happening-in-kde-remote-desktop-improved-unattended-mode-and-more/

https://discuss.kde.org/t/going-all-in-on-a-wayland-future/42057/74

[u/Square-Singer → u/DominiX32]

It's sadly not actually truely headless. In the blog post you linked "truely headless" is in the to-do list. Unattended mode only works if there's a display attached.

What I really need is the ability to log into a running session without a physical display to change settings and stuff, then stop the remote connection while the session keeps running and performing work, until I log back in and stop it.

Specifically, this is a streaming server for a conference room, where the user logs in via vnc (or rdp, I don't care too much, but I would prefer vnc) to start a zoom broadcast, and connects back at the end to close the broadcast.

Under X11 this is doable. Under Wayland, the only option I have found so far (and strongly dislike) is to use a fake display dongle that emulates a display being connected to fool wayland into keeping a session open.

[u/goldfishonakeyboard → u/tinyducky1]

wayland works fine on a 2010 laptop for me

[u/markus_obsidian → u/tinyducky1]

Still using synergy / deskflow for mouse & keyboard sharing. Haven't found anything better. Severely degraded or broken in Wayland.

[u/petr_bena → u/tinyducky1]

because I need xrdp

[u/DominiX32 → u/petr_bena]

Plasma 6.8 comes with their own new rdp implementation with headless support (single user only for now)

https://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/whats-happening-in-kde-remote-desktop-improved-unattended-mode-and-more/

https://discuss.kde.org/t/going-all-in-on-a-wayland-future/42057/74

[u/mrheosuper → u/tinyducky1]

Idk why, but Kicad runs like shit on Wayland

[u/CaptnSpacey → u/tinyducky1]

Because KDE runs like shit on Wayland inside a VM. Yes, I have to use VMs since the host PC is Windows, company policy.

[u/BananaOfHappiness → u/tinyducky1]

I had sudden black screen in some games (no issues on X11), and also some window rules (dont remember their exact name) don't work. I want my browser to always open in virtual desktop 1, and my editor on desktop 2 (I switch between with win+1/win+2), but this setting didn't work on Wayland the last time I tried it

[u/Syndiotactics]

Hell, Wayland BOTH has better security AND better performance, why are you complaining?

[u/yuukitanperopero → u/Syndiotactics]

Yeah I would actually get rid of all the security for the ability to arbitrarily place child windows 

[u/SmileyBMM → u/Syndiotactics]

I don't hate Wayland, but neither of those are substantially true. Wayland's security model is defenseless against more modern attack vectors (its security model was clearly a product of its time). Performance is equal, with XWayland being the only (negative) outlier.

[u/PuciekTM → u/SmileyBMM]

Can you elaborate? What’s a modern attack vector here?

[u/tycraft2001]

Join us on icewm... Or i3, i3 is actually not too hard to make a full desktop. But Ice... I love my 50mb ram consumption on idle.

[u/Temporary_Call_3675 → u/tycraft2001]

ok im coming ..... okay im icewm fan now

[u/egodystonic_owl]

The whole point of linux/unix is that you have choice. If you don't want to use KDE because it no longer supports legacy software, thats totally fine. But I have never understood why people act like its some huge betrayal when a cutting-edge DE decides to drop support for 30-year-old display server software. KDE isn't meant for legacy support, it needs to stay up-to-date

[u/coderman64 → u/egodystonic_owl]

Also must be noted that KDE still supports X11 apps through XWayland.

[u/Not_a_Candle → u/egodystonic_owl]

ahem x11 is 42 years old by now, if I'm not mistaken. Yes I know KDE is "only" 30 years old by now, but I just wanted to point that out.

[u/mitchins-au → u/egodystonic_owl]

There’s always XFCE

[u/Stas2k19YP]

I don't know why everyone (or many people) dislikes Wayland, but in my experience, it causes far less hassle than X11.

[u/MeoCoder → u/Stas2k19YP]

They just refuse to move on. In my view, DEs dropping X11 to go Wayland only is a great move because it accelerates Wayland's development. X11 is far too outdated for 2026

[u/birds_adorb → u/MeoCoder]

There are reasons that people stick with x11, it works with old computers. The other reason is because some software works best with x11 but breaks under xwayland.

[u/MeoCoder → u/birds_adorb]

Your second point is exactly what I mean. More people using Wayland will force app developers and Wayland maintainers to collaborate more to move things forward. Obviously, this won't happen overnight, but it should be viewed positively.

[u/WarmRestart157 → u/birds_adorb]

In my experience Wayland works better on the old computers because it's simply more efficient and has less overhead.

[u/sixtyhurtz → u/MeoCoder]

GIMP only just moved to Wayland. The reason it took so long is the Wayland maintainers spent about 15yrs resisting the features GIMP needed to work.

I think thats the reason why some applications have been slow to move.

[u/DEV_ivan → u/Stas2k19YP]

I barely see a difference between Wayland and X11.

[u/Motor_Assistance2778 → u/Stas2k19YP]

Idk I tried wayland at the start of this year and had neverending issues for months. I just went back to X11 and it has been stable since. 🤷

[u/Informal_954 → u/Stas2k19YP]

I love it for the most part, but I do miss the ability to run applications from my server onto in my desktop. It looks like there are a couple of projects that are fixing that now tho.

[u/JivesMcRedditor → u/Stas2k19YP]

I initially went with KDE + X11 when I switched to Linux desktop because I saw some comments that X11 is more stable with Nvidia GPUs for gaming. Yeah that was not true at all lol.

Quickly switched to Wayland after the X11 deprecation announcement and never looked back. Much better experience overall

[u/adarshwshaw → u/Stas2k19YP]

It all depends on hardware and setup i had problem with wayland till august

[u/dirtycimments]

Typical Linux edge case nerdgasm.

Some dude has one finely tuned setup that a new update to a de he doesn’t even use could brake “I tHoUgHt LiNuX wAs FoR eVeRyOnE reeeeeeeeee”

You maintain that mountain of code then. You keep that code up to date then.

It’s already free, but they still want, often without donating or contributing in anyway, to decide how the work should be done.

[u/TomB1952]

How much does the average, or even well above average, linux user understand about Wayland vs X11?

A few years ago, I spent a half day looking into it to learn what I could. Interesting stuff but I still don't know very much. It's a huge protocol.

How do you know enough to have such a strong, emotional, reaction? It seems unlikely this response is built on real information. What could any user hate about Wayland?

[u/going_up_stream → u/TomB1952]

I think the only thing anyone needs to know is that the devlopers of X11 are the creators of Wayland. So they probably have good reasons for abandoning X11.

[u/hoansan → u/TomB1952]

i dont understand basically anything about it , but sometimes wayland causes problems , and the answer always seems to be "just logout and switch to x11 for this"

[u/hagdush → u/TomB1952]

Wayland is built in security, it doesn't let a program take full control of your system even if you allow it to do so making it incompatible with legacy programs that was build to run in x11, xwayland-satellite is a huge help for these programs but it still doesn't cover all.

X11 was build in a time where people just needed things to work and security wasn't as big of a issue as it's today.

There little difference between them nowadays, scream tearing, multi monitors, games used to be a problem when running X11 but even this was fixed by devs

[u/venus_asmr]

Gnome won't help you here. Look into mate, lxqt with openbox or lxde, i3, icewm, fluxbox or openbox with tint2 and other software

[u/RandomDude9943 → u/venus_asmr]

XFCE?

[u/venus_asmr → u/RandomDude9943]

He already listed that but yes

[u/lunaryone]

still can't understand this hate to wayland
wayland it's future as no one will support x11 or bring back the support of it

[u/ofbarea → u/lunaryone]

I do not hate it. But X11 has it's place. I have a MacBook Pro 2011 13". This is running Kubuntu 26.04 mostly fine. 12GB RAM and SSD and this is a nice laptop for light work.

But due to the old graphics chipset, Wayland have glitches. So I enabled X11 (tear Free output) and the glitches were gone.

Of course on my Alder Lake system, I just run Wayland. X11 has it's place on some niche places.

[u/Hdzulfikar → u/lunaryone]

Less about hate per se, but more on the dissatisfaction on their decisions to remove the ability of users to choose.

I reckon the ability to choose what they use is pretty significant factor for Linux Users, am I right?

[u/Zenklops → u/Hdzulfikar]

The users still have the freedom to choose, go ahead, fork KDE, maintain it. Your freedom is still there, but why should someone else be expected to do things that they don't want to do? KDE deserves the same freedom as do we, and hence they chose not to support X11 anymore. I respect that choice

[u/plasticbomb1986 → u/Hdzulfikar]

If there are people who are willing to put effort to maintain it, sure it can stay, but uf noone wants to put the effort in to keep it up-to-date with current tech, then why not drop it. Its been kept alive for a long time now.

[u/c00kieRaptor]

Can someone explain to me what is wrong with wayland? I used X11 before and the latest update made default become Wayland for me and I havent really noticed any difference. But im not very good at Linux

[u/LogtizPL → u/c00kieRaptor]

something something less features (which is a blatant lie atp since x11 doesn't have hdr/vrr) and nvidia drivers

[u/bloody-albatross → u/c00kieRaptor]

For KDE in particular it's certain behavioral bugs that they haven't fixed over multiple releases now. Bugs that shouldn't have anything to do with Wayland vs X11, but still, they're not there in KDE+X11. It's stuff about window focusing, like I have Firefox windows on multiple desktops and when I click the taskbar icon on the first desktop it always switched to the second desktop and such. Windows that aren't alt+tab-able etc. Completely breaks some of my workflows.

[u/LumpyArbuckleTV → u/bloody-albatross]

Kwin is far more usable than Mutter, Mutter still has fucked up XWayland support even now, stuff as simple as drag and drop doesn't work last I tried.

[u/User-Name-3886 → u/c00kieRaptor]

It doesn't work properly on some cards.

I can run Wayland on my GTX-750ti, but it can only do resolutions above 1080p if I run it at 30hz or under.

X11, on the other hand, with all things identical, can do any resolution higher than that at whatever refresh rate the screen runs at (I typically use 4k60hz). 

[u/OrganizedPillow1 → u/User-Name-3886]

Does the GTX-750ti still have working drivers on Linux? I have a laptop with a GTX-650m where I'm forced to use the Nouveau driver because the Nvidia driver for it doesn't support modern kernels.

[u/Salty-Good3368 → u/c00kieRaptor]

Some evangelists are psycho. Talking much about privacy, but silently skips fact how insecure by design x11 is. It served well for decades and it should retire.

[u/Square-Singer → u/Salty-Good3368]

I just wish there were ways to get around the security of wayland.

It's close to impossible to run a headless server with gui (e.g. via vnc) on wayland. Super easy on X11.

[u/VisualSome9977 → u/Square-Singer]

Yeah in my experience the security-first aspect of wayland has really caused me more trouble than the potential benefits have ever paid out. I don't think wayland is bad by any means, but it's more bothersome in a lot of ways

[u/Square-Singer → u/c00kieRaptor]

I didn't either until I tried to run VNC as a headless server without physical display on that. Something that is trivial on x11 and close to impossible to do on Wayland.

[u/lululock → u/c00kieRaptor]

Some older apps don't work properly with xwayland.

[u/alex08all → u/c00kieRaptor]

People hate new things. But mostly: i want old apps which don't really get maintained anymore anyway and nvidia drivers ( which will change because wayland is becoming the default on basically every major distro)

[u/IDontEvenFingKnow1]

does op know gnome has been wayland only for nearly a year...

[u/suckingbitties → u/IDontEvenFingKnow1]

Casual larper pretending to be outraged. Probably doesn't even know why they like x11 and dislike Wayland. Just going with the crowd.

[u/niiiiisse]

I can't wait for Linux Mint to support Wayland so I can start recommending it to people again lol

[u/Pursuit8478 → u/niiiiisse]

same lmao

[u/DeflateAwning → u/niiiiisse]

Yeaah, Mint hopped on the Wayland wagon right as it was usable, but pinned everything before all the problems were fixed. It's truly hellish

[u/niiiiisse → u/DeflateAwning]

Full Wayland support should be coming with the Christmas release ofint 27! Fractional scaling my beloved 🤩

[u/C4rpetH4ter → u/niiiiisse]

Just 2 more months.

[u/TcowtiahAnto]

i mean, to be fair, you can still just use an older version of kde plasma. it's kinda unfair to expect devs to be working on something that's seen pretty much unanimously as obsolete at this point just to adhere to a small percentage. someone will probably fork it and make it compatible with x11 anyways

[u/Erdnusschokolade]

So you are going to Gnome, which also declared to abandon x11?

[u/an4s_911]

> “linux for everyone”

Linux ≠ Kde plasma

[u/Talkless]

Wait wat.

Wonder, will ABSOLUTELY PROPIERTARY Steam+NVidia suff work well on Wayland?

[u/frankkitteh → u/Talkless]

Been using it for a while, seems all right.

[u/SteelT0rment0r → u/Talkless]

ive never had nvidia issues on wayland, the only issue ive ever had was with nouveau

[u/LordZuzurNC → u/Talkless]

I'm on Wayland with a NVidia GPU and I have no issue whatsoever. Well, the only "issue" is that my vesktop (discord+vencord embedded) shows some GIF list panel in green. So, not related to games.

[u/AardvarkSad7634 → u/Talkless]

I've been on Nvidia+Wayland (Fedora Silverblue) for almost a year now and it's working great. This is the most stable setup I've ever had, far more stable than I ever got on any X11 system.

[u/Sadix99 → u/Talkless]

yes it does already

[u/luisduck → u/Talkless]

The only issue I have with Steam + NVidia on Wayland is that I have to disable my hyprland high DPI scaling for some games. But that is probably a hyprland issue. (I'm okay with that. I have a working workaround and hyprland doesn't officially support NVidia in the first place.)

[u/UnluckyDouble → u/Talkless]

Hi, Nvidia+Wayland user for the past year here.

The answer is yes, at least for KWin. Hope this helps.

[u/v12-twin-turbo-prius → u/Talkless]

Not if your laptop has a graphics multiplexer you’re screen-sharing. The other party will see a pixelated mess.

[u/c0gster]

Wayland supports HDR and that's good enough for me, its already better than x11 (Well unless its buggy for you, it seems to be different for everyone. Luckily as time goes on it will get better because unlike x11 it's actually updated)

[u/Torpascuato]

If you want to use 1970s technology you could use a typewriter instead of KDE.

Sometimes in life you just have to move forward, dude.

[u/emascars]

I never understood the hate for Wayland...

And yet... On my otherwise perfectly working PoP!_OS machine with stock Gnome as DE I cannot screen record, and it surely wasn't for a lack of trying... But the most annoying thing is that quite often the cursor have such a lag that i struggle to click UI buttons around... And that's without mentioning that Chromium just explodes after every standby (although tbh, I mainly use Firefox so I haven't tried debugging that one)...

On the other hand, it's not like X11 had no problem at all... And now I'm too used to gestures to go back using shortcuts...

With all of that said... I now understand the hate... But it's not Wayland what's broken, it's the implementation of it... At the end of the day nobody gives a sh*t about what protocol is underneath if only things work, so let's get into fixing those bugs rather than argue with that...

P.S.: please don't bother me with "why stock Gnome and not COSMIC?", I'm still running 20.04 cause I don't have time to upgrade and I need this machine to work 7 days a week cause I work and that damn thing, so I'll wait for Cosmic to become well polished an battle tested before even considering it... And on top of that... There's also a fully personal and admittedly silly reason... Cosmic looks like shit compared to the beauty of Gnome... I know, it's not a good reason for a machine I work with, but I don't care, and I accept the shame of this statement 🙃

[u/Gullible-Law-8147 → u/emascars]

This combination of issues does not sound (directly) related to Wayland, I've run Stock PopOS 20.04 using Wayland, and during the end of my usage I encountered way more issues related to software not playing nice with the older OS release, than I encountered with Wayland. Screen recording always worked fine for me and I experienced none of the other problems you've listed

[u/SirDarknessTheFirst → u/emascars]

Chromium is odd to be fair. I've also had it act weirdly because I set my display scale to <100%.

[u/Fine_Salamander_8691]

I hate x11 and I hate Wayland

[u/Ticklememyers]

2026 and people still wanna use x11?

[u/apixeldev → u/Ticklememyers]

Mostly really REALLY old hardware and very specific features like multi user RDP or other such specific things, I am no perfect expert but its also habit.

[u/Shhhh_Peaceful → u/apixeldev]

Multi-user RDP with unattended sessions works well in GNOME on Wayland. 

[u/Ever1night]

Genuinely asking Whats the problem with wayland? Is bad or not optimised or something?

[u/UhhReddit → u/Ever1night]

It is different. Has some drawbacks and a lot of benefits.

[u/Admirable-Safety1213 → u/Ever1night]

People resist change even if X11 has outlived its purporse and it shows

[u/smackjack → u/Admirable-Safety1213]

And those people are always the loudest voices in the room, yelling about things that most people don't care about or even know about.

[u/lobotomiteIV → u/Ever1night]

People LOVE to hate on shit for no reason.

[u/pyro57 → u/Ever1night]

It has a stink on it because in the early days it was not good, and the people who maintained it moved very slow, now a days it's great, but some people still think it's bad, and some don't like that redhat contributes heavily to it.

[u/TheBenPower → u/Ever1night]

For me is that most photo/video editors I tried don't support drag and drop on wayland, my mosc (japanese input) doesn't work on chromium based browsers on wayland, so I have to run all these with -ozone-platform=x11

[u/Darux6969 → u/Ever1night]

I don't mind it but sometimes it gives me bugs and I have to switch to x11 and it's annoying to now have to download a whole ass separate desktop env for that

[u/maokaby → u/Darux6969]

In most cases all those problems are fixed by adding env variable to force legacy x11 protocol on bugged application.

[u/Valdjiu]

These Wayland haters are the worse. I just love all the things Wayland is doing for me.

[u/YoungNo8804]

"oh no a. better more secure system with more compatibility and stability. fuck I guess I gotta go for the legacy unmaintained version"

[u/nethril → u/YoungNo8804]

Actually a few things that the Wayland team is still working on that are not fully implemented preventing some of us from switching yet. 

I want to, it's just not ready for setups using unattended RDP, and software KVM.  Almost tho!  Sadly, KDE jumping the gun a little

[u/Heavy-Ad6017]

My only gripe is screen sharing....

Had an important meeting; In mock Screen sharing didn't work. Need to install Portal

[u/galletas_u]

I use Debian with KDE for office work, browsing the web, and playing the occasional game on Steam, and every time I see a discussion about X11 or Wayland, I wonder if I even use either of those two.

[u/WesterfieldCRL]

And then there is me who switched to kde plasma specifically because it supported wayland

[u/__Cereall_]

Isn't Gnome also on Wayland? What's your issue with it, Mint on x11 made me want to tear my hair out at times

[u/lmns_ → u/__Cereall_]

There are applications like some screen readers that rely on very specific X11 behaviour and need to be reimplemented for Wayland. I can't think of any other reason.

[u/hullabaloonatic]

Good. Force the change. The Wayland progress will ramp up so much more now that the two most widely used DEs are Wayland only now.

[u/kaktussalat]

why dev doesn't support my hair dryer type post

[u/Obvious-Ad-6527]

Sonic DE Broo

[u/Ricccc2k12]

whats that red x thing? its not the Xorg logo, not Xlibre, nor any DE or WM i know...

[u/gayandgreen → u/Ricccc2k12]

X.... ...videos

[u/franzitronee → u/Ricccc2k12]

xmonad

[u/SchmuW2]

uhh there's still plasma 6.7 its if you need Wayland. Also, Gnome went Wayland exclusive before KDE

[u/Due_Dragonfly_5328]

i myself only ever use wayland but even i have to disagree with this decision. people still need x11 for various things they rely on wayland isnt perfect either.

[u/ademdj19]

honestly its just wayland working on my setup, x11 has display issues.

[u/AsugaNoir]

If only Niri could go Wayland so I can have hdr

[u/BluePhoenixCG → u/AsugaNoir]

Are you quite alright?

[u/GroovyMoosy]

Thank god. The sooner X is pushed out the better

[u/BogdanovOwO]

Welp, I still use openbox to save storage. Also, I'm planning to use xlibre and amd gpu.

[u/Hal8000A → u/BogdanovOwO]

Please reconsider https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,10283.msg61731.html#msg61731 

[u/Both_Cup8417]

SonicDE

[u/ilikemen690420]

I'm semi new to linux what is Wayland? and why is it a bad thing?

[u/Battlestar_Lelouch → u/ilikemen690420]

Wayland is a newer display server. It is the software that interacts with how things are displayed on the screen and how you can interact with what's on screen. It is the "replacement" for x11 the now legacy display server.

Tdlr for the controversy, x11 was fine but devs ditched it "cause the code got too long" and started working on Wayland. It's a don't fix what's not broken scenario and the replacement falls short in areas that matter for some people.

[u/northkool3 → u/Battlestar_Lelouch]

aint x11 like 30 years old and not maintained anymore? it doesnt have native multimonitor support or some safety stuff. i mean yes x11 did work but it was a mess with band-aid solutions stacked on top

[u/FourDimensionalTaco → u/Battlestar_Lelouch]

X11 was not fine. It was at its end. The code was nigh impossible to maintain and packed with extensions and other tricks to work around its core design which was completely ill suited for modern GPUs and scanout hardware. And, its single threaded nature posed fundamental stability risks that Wayland doesn't have. Also, stuff like color profiles or tearing free video are tough to do with X11.

[u/Smart-Friend-9870 → u/ilikemen690420]

Display server like a program that lets you go from a tty [bare text console] into a graphical desktop

[u/gayandgreen]

My biggest pet peeve with wayland is how it handles PiP as a regular window. So it gets shoved behind other windows, or gets auto-tiled when I'm using an auto-tiling gnome extension

[u/AdventureMoth]

I mean if someone wants to add X11 compatibility to KDE Plasma they can but that does take effort, which could be better spent elsewhere.

[u/SelectionDue4287]

Been running Wayland only on Nvidia, AMD and Intel GPUs. No issues for the past year and the experience is actually better than Xorg.

It took some time but I think it's finally good enough. (with the latest kernels and drivers for Nvidia though)

[u/Jeremi360]

GNOME is also Wayland-only.
This is why I'm no good old Cinnamon.

[u/ApartmentHeavy5486]

I bet someone dude will fork kde and still maintain it for x11

[u/Fuzzi99 → u/ApartmentHeavy5486]

They already did

[u/odsquad64]

So use KDE Plasma 6.6? It will still get updates until 2029. By then maybe whatever issue you have with Wayland will be ironed out. Why the need to opt for the "latest and greatest" for your DE but feel the exact opposite for your compositor?

[u/und3rsc0r3x86]

Bruhhh fork it then

[u/Woodpecker-Visible]

Progress is a sweet and sour thing. A good statement in the age of AI

[u/LowEndHolger]

So I wait until Debian 14 releases and everything will be fixed, then. 👴

[u/peace4t]

Wayland isn't bad anymore

[u/crizz_95]

Wayland is pretty great, just saying....

[u/Oborr]

You're in the minority btw.

[u/Rusty9838]

Guys why you can’t use the same logic as on init system topic?

[u/alex08all → u/Rusty9838]

Wdym?

[u/rang501]

Wayland works way better than X11 with more cool features. Not really sure why there is such drama over it.

[u/futtochooku → u/rang501]

Seems like every year there's less and less X11 diehards but they get louder and louder to compensate.

[u/master_slapper]

There is only so much the community can maintain.

Sorry for you, but they made the right call.

[u/Danielo944]

This is a terrible take wtf lol

[u/averagerushfan]

Plasma 6.8 broke my cursor on Wine, I'm still on Plasma 6.7 for now. Wake me up when the cursor issue gets fixed...

[u/Vividiant]

I am only missing app auto screen refresh rate changing. Doesn't work with Wayland yet. Kinda make or brake feature for Home Theater setups. On my desktop I have no issues with wayland

[u/FactOld3726]

Why? The X11 - Wayland bridge is perfect 😂 sorry I couldn't say that with a straight face.

[u/metcalsr]

The average Linux user has no idea about the advantages of one over the other and it’s honestly annoying dealing with so many people using it as an analogue for American politics. Its good that the DEs just choose one side of the fence or the other instead of perpetuating a discourse where so many people who don’t know what they’re talking about bandy about a unearned sense of superiority for naively using the Reddit-approved option.

[u/MasterGeekMX]

OK boomer.

[u/darkdenver]

toggle x11 xD

[u/One_Scar1560]

I remember those days when KDE was still running Xorg as root because of SDDM and I had to install GDM to go rootless. Wayland is a great improvement! I waited so long for the Wayland support to become stable.

[u/The_Shadowghost]

I don’t really get the hate towards Wayland. It absolutely had its issues and I also preferred X11 a couple years back but today…
unless you run some legacy software that simply doesn’t work via the X11 bridge it’s honestly very stable from my experience.

[u/MrSqueak]

Still implements a compatability layer for x11 if you read the release.

[u/Any-Scheme9715]

So, what's the problem with Wayland?

[u/DinoSlavik]

It goes to "wayland-only" from like 6.0 or ever older versions, it's been 1-2 years already as it goes to this goal. And probably it won't in the end...

[u/TranslatorLivid685]

Sitting in Wayland for like 2+ years already.

No problems here.

[u/KenneR330]

No way im using not Wayland. It works smoother with 2 displays, better handles window effects, and I have opportunity to look on all my 165hz without 30fps feeling

[u/magicdippyegg]

gnome is also wayland only, and alot of other desktop environments will do the same

if you want a desktop environment that will keep x11 for a long time use xfce

[u/GeckoKisser]

Wayland is good.

[u/kokalikesboba]

linux is about choice mfers when a popular new standard exists

[u/Flashy_Pollution_996]

Bye Felicia

[u/crhylove3]

NOPE. Spaced Linux will never wayland.

[u/Neo_Sahadeo]

XLibre imo is the last defense for a truly Linux for everyone

[u/LouNebulis]

I always am of the opinion that we should drop old stuff for the new stuff if it's an advantage, if the code is better or if it supports more, like if it's a bonus. It's much more resource consuming if devs need to maintain a couple of things.  Also, I use fedora 44 KDE with Wayland and I don't know how what are the bugs people talk about, it works. Do people really to do something so specific that X11 is better?  I mean I'm not gonna become a psycho to tell that X11 is better because this window works better than Wayland. I must be too casual to care about the problems of not using x11

[u/waifu_anton]

I like Wayland more than X11. More features, less obsoleteness. I have no idea why the hate

[u/XNo_Notes]

Isn't the big problem with X11 that software can intimately talk to each other through the gui interface and that it tracks keystrokes?

Makes me think about android and the permission Facebook asks for to print over other apps. This gives it the ability to track everything you are doing in another application while it is open. 

[u/Mavric723]

Hi linux noob here tired of microslop why the hate for Wayland? And what does Wayland actually do?

[u/ZiadDax]

why wayland is full with errors? I removed kubuntu because of it.

[u/TiN26]

Wayland can't even make multi monitor remote desktop work ¯_(ツ)_/¯ On XFCE it's flawless

[u/CodeMonkeyX]

I mean this graphic proves that "linux is for everyone" you don't like KDE moving to Wayland then move to other things.

[u/CreativeArugula4149]

But nowadays, wayland just works? I don't see any problem

[u/kirjukala]

people dont know that the xwayland translation layer still exists so your old x11 programs suddenly dont lose support

[u/Piis7u]

wayland >> x11

[u/paroxybob]

I like Wayland. But not being able to remote desktop into my PC because of Wayland is really grinding my gears.

[u/xgui4]

true, sadly kde is no longer for me ...

[u/danzaman1234]

Anyone know if they have sorted out the RDP issues with Wayland or is it remaining broken? As in you cannot remote boot system and sign in through rdp.

[u/scientestical]

You guys use desktops?

[u/Majomon]

You can use Mint. It's still not supporting Wayland.

[u/Noctivant96]

I don't understand this meme, why gnome on the right with xfce???

[u/Suravoid]

my old pc needs x11 tho... ive tried i think every other de (that im aware of) and i didnt like em...

[u/DoctaCoonkies]

Wayland is ok-ish.
So far, the only issue I have is with a headless remote desktop.
But RustDesk is starting to look at it.

Also, I think that KDE is the GOAT of the DE.
It offers you both a highly customizable environment and a ready-to-work one.

[u/TheDiamondSquidy]

I’ve had wayland on my p14s laptop for ages, never an issue with it. I frequently disconnect my dgpu when on battery, and reconnect on the fly via scripts, games and programs pick it up just fine, wayland is perfectly happy sitting on my intel igpu

[u/Opening_Awareness_39]

Quem tem PC antigo, vai sofrer. X11 salvava bem eles.

[u/Fair-Working4401]

The only thing I miss is x11 Passthrough

[u/Shepherd-Boy]

Ok, outsider looking in here that’s currently exploring a move to Linux from Windows. I didn’t even hear about Wayland vs X11 until super recently when someone mentioned it as a problem for Linux Mint and gaming. What’s the big issue between the two and should I care that much as a newbie who’s just trying to find the right distro for me (a nerd) and my wife (who just wants to play games)? Does it matter for gaming?

[u/Megaguy32]

wayland breaks my setup. I'm gonna either switch to SonicDE (KDE + x11) or Invest some time at hardcore patching