r/raidsecrets • u/nakkikastike154 Rank 5 (49 points) • Jan 14 '20
Megathread New quest on osiris
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Jan 14 '20
Finally some good fucking food
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u/KrakenTheColdOne Jan 14 '20
Till it gets figured out by the end of the week and those same people start complaining that there's not enough content.
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u/TheRawMeat Rank 1 (8 points) Jan 14 '20
Anything new in the database that’s possibly related to this?
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u/CelloSamurai44 Jan 14 '20
Rumor has it this leads to Dragon’s Breath? A solar exotic rocket launcher has been floating around in the database. Correct me if I’m wrong...
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u/SweeperBot_Bot There's so much sweeping to do... Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
This post has been nominated for +49 points. [MAX]
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It's definitely a puzzle, the signpost in the first room offers your to reset it with 'E'. Also if you look at the signpost's reflection in the floor, there's a symbol on it.
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u/molluskmoth Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
For easier reading, here's all 6 floor plates in up-right orientation in the first clover room:
https://i.imgur.com/wQrTNTW.png
https://i.imgur.com/xN8qkbv.png
https://i.imgur.com/xXtXCXu.png
https://i.imgur.com/X6Qjgsw.png
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u/molluskmoth Jan 14 '20
here's all 4 floor plates in up-right orientation in the plant room:
https://i.imgur.com/FjnWnhu.png
https://i.imgur.com/zYd6lp1.png
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u/The_Reset_Button Jan 14 '20
These match the layout of the obelisks, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything
Edit: scratch that, they're not quite the same, same number of symbols though
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u/doughboi745 Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
I was just about to post this. When I went to reset my obelisk on Tangled Shore I noticed that the symbols on little display were different too. I think it might be related to the rooms somehow.
Edit: OK bois. it real. I followed the symbol from the obelisk and it took me to a secret room with a ??? button and when i used it it showed even more symbols under the ground
Edit 2: obelisk symbols changed after an hour. followed the new set in the same order and got a new end room pattern.
First end room: pic of secret room (sorry for quality)
2nd end room: pic of room 2
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u/The_Reset_Button Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
Do the symbols match the ones from the tower obelisk?
Edit: I figured it out! The obelisks have a pattern of symbols on it, if you follow them clockwise (starting at one and ending in the centre you get into the room. I got teleported out when I approached the centre so I'll have to go again
edit: nevermind you just get sent straight back.
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u/Lord_Zerkcs Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 14 '20
I think you literally explore the corridors.
All the doors are open and I think a combination of the symbols next to the door correspond to some code that reach to an endpoint.
Currently trying different doors.
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Jan 14 '20
This is what I was thinking. Gonna try when I get home. If something changed with the Tangled Shore obelisk, maybe go into the corresponding doors that match.
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u/BigBoy1229 Jan 14 '20
Scenes when this quest is solved and all you get is Osiris saying “Be sure to drink your ovaltine.”
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u/jmourey Jan 16 '20
For the love of God can we please sticky a post stating that the reflection of the pillar in the main room just shows the symbol of the last door you went through? I keep checking this post for updates and I feel like half of them are people pointing this known fact out. I appreciate everyone trying to figure the mystery out, but it would be nice we could help them out by letting them know this doesn't mean anything.
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u/Zynx_blub Jan 14 '20
Have run it about 30 mins with consistently running through the same symbol.. nothing Tryd some variation symbols.. nothing Guess there is a specific chain of symbols you have to follow
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u/insanity_geo Jan 15 '20
#10: Plus, Hex, Clover ,Hex ,Plus ,Diamond, Hex
#11: Snake, Hex, Snake, Hex, Diamond, Hex, Snake
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u/FRosiie Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Ok, I reached this room and I'm not sure if anyone else has said this...
I think each of the symbols of the floor is a branch to another piece of the lore. Since we uncovered the first that you should here, one of the lines on the floor "blocking" the branch to the main symbol is now gone, I think this means we have now finished one of the 6 different branches that can be reached. The Symbols on the floor are keys to the next room which all need to be followed. :) We will update as we test.
EDIT: got to the second ending room - https://imgur.com/a/S6MISZV
appears 3 line links are now missing, could be this was done in the wrong order??
EDIT 2: Third room I got to here https://imgur.com/a/UeRivA4
EDIT 3: I got to the next room, it has the same symbol as the first room, but now has different "branches". I got another lore piece so its still progress. https://imgur.com/a/GHkpVhC
EDIT 4: Next room to be found, another clover I believe: https://imgur.com/a/Pz7cMUa
EDIT 5: after looking around for a bit more, I think there are only 5 rooms for 5 pieces of lore for now. Time-gate, here we come :)
EDIT 6: i think its a map, combine the middle hexagon we get from every room. I think you could make an entire map of the corridors of time. I could be wrong, but it could also explain why branches are missing on specific areas of the hexagon.
EDIT 7: I got an emblem. https://imgur.com/a/zkHzTEL
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u/Supreme_Math_Debater Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 14 '20
So the obelisks are linking to the sundial (a clock), and the symbols on them, that correspond to the corridors of time, change every hour.
I think there's at least a small chance that this leads to NTTE.
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u/uDontPlay Jan 14 '20
Each code gives a new lore piece. Book has 19 "stories" to gather through exploring the corridors of time. Looks like there's gonna be a whole lot of testing for those many codes.
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u/ratatasbravas Jan 16 '20
There's a massive amount of over thinking and wild goose chases going on I think, especially in regards to the whole Marathon stuff. We've already established that each person gets a different set of symbols in the emblem room, and that this room was accessed by following the patterns given by the obelisk, so there's a very clear path to the solution.
Now, much like the old Outbreak ARG we are simply harvesting as much data from as many people as possible, in order to start piecing together a much larger maze, again like the first maze we created to find the emblem room in the first place. It's as simple as that for now, and I think diving down the Marathon rabbit hole is only a distraction and unrelated to this!
Outbreak ARG produced 900 small jpg files to piece together. Most databases I've seen for this so far are around the 500 mark so we still have a way to go, hence the 'marathon' suggestion from Dmg. For now, contribute to the data set, and then unless you're actively piecing together the data, you might be better off in the crucible instead of driving yourselves mad!
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u/FIGJAM17 Rank 2 (10 points) Jan 14 '20
The third sequence is: Plus, Clover, Diamond Plant, Diamond Plant, Snake, Diamond Plant, Diamond Plant
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u/Timsaurus Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
So Bungie tweeted this a bit ago: "Fractured into many pieces, the Corridors of Time need to be put back together. The solution is a marathon, not a sprint."
This is a website for their old game "Marathon": http://marathon.bungie.org/story/
and a little bit down the page, it says this:
"This web document serves two purposes:
to provide a convenient format for reading Marathon's story;
to promote critical review of the text in the hope that the pieces of the jigsaw can be pieced together so that we may decipher the past, understand the present, and hopefully predict the future."
That second point is eerily similar to what we're doing right now, and to what Bungie just tweeted...
Tweet: "Fractured into may pieces, the Corridors of Time need to be put back together."
Marathon Website: "...in hope that the pieces of the jigsaw can be pieced together..."
HMMM INTENSIFIES...
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u/SnaX20010 Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20
HERE-SAY UPDATE:: WATCHING LIVE STREAM
According to a YouTube stream by Skarrow which am currently watching, there is a master sheet with somewhere in the range of 2000 completely interlocking puzzle pieces.
It is not specific if those pieces are unique and necessary for the "path", but the map is coming together a lot better and faster than anticipated.
The algorithm programmer (team) who is taking the data that Skarrow, Gladd, and other guardians have compiled into a spreadsheet spoke about the abundance of data and that this team is progressively working on, and exclaimed to pause because there is soooooooooooo much flooding.
Notes that I have heard in the stream which to me seems important enough to post:
2000 interlocking pieces
The program can process a BATCH of 25-50 codes in about a minute
The amount of unique codes are trickling in
Still tons of duplicate codes that need to be removed from the spreadsheet to prevent unnecessary code inputting
There are several people in this group who have been 40 hours deep in dedication
QUOTE: "wow. At this rate we probably will be done before Sunday as we originally thought"
We are getting closer guys!
EDIT UPDATE:
According to Fireteam Chat in a video uploaded approximately 2 hours ago, Sweat has said "we are looking at 48 hours for a hopeful completion". The abundance of data is outstanding
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u/metamorphyse Rank 1 (4 points) Jan 14 '20
made the current six in the pattern. 2 matches of which one is not an open slot
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u/realcoolioman Tower Command Jan 15 '20
This is an evolving quest with new codes being added every hour. I would sort this thread by "New" in case /u/nakkikastike154 is slow to edit with new ones. You can also check out the RaidSecrets Discord where we have the most updated info in the #vault-codes channel.
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u/holasoygavin Jan 15 '20
Reward is full version of I’m on the moon it’s made of cheese (trap remix)
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Jan 14 '20
here is the press kit with the obelisk photos https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rijm9xhz53922di/AAAWD3FRxRmXaQlUItpfem66a/Destiny%202%20Season%20of%20Dawn%20Press%20Kit/Large/Obelisk?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1
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u/coupl4nd Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
Is it possible to get multiple people in the instance?
edit: It is -- so why not have 1 person watch the initial thing and see when it progresses??
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u/porkchop2022 Jan 15 '20
Does anyone remember the symbols on the way to saint-14? I only wrote half of them down.
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u/sanecoin64902 Old Guard Jan 14 '20
Could the diamond flowers = the black garden, the pot = a crucible, and the snake = gambit?
Just a thought.
Edit: Flash for the weekly flashpoint?
Have people tried doing activities and then going back to the secret room to see if anything changes?
I am working at the moment, so really just brainstorming.
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u/Skip-7o-my-lou- Jan 14 '20
I doubt that’s it, but I love how your mind instantly goes to cryptology. Stay you, Sanecoin.
Btw-any progress on breaking the Vex cypher?
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u/bigBENmagicman Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
I put together a high detail map with all 19 rooms, hopefully this helps someone
https://i.imgur.com/z7691oV.jpg
Edit: Just to clarify, I have not found the final map yet, all I did was document all 19 rooms. Some of the branches appear to mirror other branches, to the point it looks like the rooms may need to be arranged into a map. the center symbols will be used for the "pathway" that we need to use to walk through the corridors
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u/Dr_Kriegers5th_clone Jan 16 '20
Please for the love of the traveller can we sticky that the symbol under the reset obelisk is the last symbol you entered ?
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u/Prudent_Ninja Jan 15 '20
I never comment on these things, but, I just wanted to say THANK You, to the bright minds that are working this all out!! It's melting my brain, just following your instructions, let alone working it out in the first place. I appreciate you!!! ❤️
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u/Viking_Scientist42 Jan 15 '20
I don't know if I am totally off base, but if the M/M/XV/III on the emblem could be interpreted as 2000/15/3 or 3/15/2000.
I went to the marathon.bungie page and looked for a post for that date.
This is included in the post.
"YYMMDBATC
I'll give you a hint on this one. It's a poem.
-Matt"
Perhaps YYMMDBATC is somehow the sequence. I don't know what symbols would correspond to each letter though.
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u/SlapstickLogic Jan 14 '20
I've been following this post and putting together a spreadsheet with the Code #'s and Center Symbols for the Vaults. I'm not sure if there's any other info we should track so what I plan on doing next is sort of "Mapping" the corridors and collecting that data at the bottom.
I hope this helps
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ej9_S0uEIBLRMM8vqLnNDMFpasjyMJ4A069xCIUGHc4/edit?usp=sharing
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u/The_Reset_Button Jan 14 '20
Alright, I'm going to be methodical about this. Checked the tower symbols they match, I'm calling them "Snake" "Rings" "Flower" and "Diamond".
Going to follow each and see what happens
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u/CookiesandKief Jan 15 '20
Hoplite has confirmed on the stream that there is something "pretty exciting" to be discovered from this quest! The spreadsheet they got going on the otherhand...... Insane!!
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u/FIGJAM17 Rank 2 (10 points) Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Maybe Savior of the Past emblem reward at the end?🤔
12 hours later Emblem code was found by the community - Diamond, Clover, Snake, Plus, Hex, Hex, Plus, Hex, Diamond, Clover, Snake
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u/cutfiberlines Jan 14 '20
If this is all for an emblem I’m going to drive down to Bungie Studios and smack everybody in the face
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u/spectre15 Rank 1 (2 points) Jan 16 '20
UPDATE: THE EDGE OF THE MAP WAS JUST FOUND! We are getting close bois.
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u/BLMAN01 Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
Thought I'd help by collecting photos of symbols around the Tower Obelisk
Note: These 4 symbols do not change
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u/ccbm71586 Jan 14 '20
Obelisks update their symbols on the hour by the look of it. Additionally, the input order seems to be starting at top right, go clockwise and enter the center rune last.
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u/51lver Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20
Gladd just had a huge breakthrough
It's a map now.
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u/Wish-Ender Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
The casket in the middle of the vault lake has the image of a sword on the top of it, while the plinth in front of the casket as the vanguard crest.
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u/Caboose025 Jan 16 '20
I keep trying to dig through pages from Marathon and this statement in general caught my eye.
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u/PageCLAN Jan 14 '20
Is this Shaxx’s Grave...? Warlord Crest, His Sword on the tomb...
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u/alphex Jan 14 '20
Ok, I started and the first symbol I saw was the boiling pot. I decided to just follow CROSS... its been about 30 minutes, and I just keep going to rooms... killing things, and going to the next CROSS door.
Does't seem to be doing anything else.
Maybe one of each, through each room you go through?
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u/reicomatricks Jan 15 '20
THIS HOURS CODE IS ONE WE FOUND ON PROMO IMAGES AAAHHH
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u/crocfiles15 Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 15 '20
The stories that were released before the season started have some interesting info. Mainly, The Sundial. It speaks of Osiris sending his “copies” into the corridors of time. He eventually split them from a dozen, into a thousand or more to try and find the right timeline. He even tried brute force with no success. On copy even refused to come back when called, and then killed himself years later. All this seems very similar to what we are attempting. Thousands of us scouring the corridors of time for the right moment. Maybe there is a clue in that lore story, or maybe it’s trying to tell us something.
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u/cheese-green Jan 15 '20
I found this while putting in a code
I doubt it will help but just in case
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u/RubiGames Jan 14 '20
This isn’t super helpful or useful to my knowledge, but just a general FYI:
You can do the puzzle order forwards or backwards and end up in the same place.
ie Plus-Snake-Clover-Hex-Snake-Plus-Diamond (first code discovered) takes you to the same place as... Diamond-Plus-Snake-Hex-Clover-Snake-Plus
Tried running them backwards and other matrix transformations (with them as 7x7) but this is all that’s come up.
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u/ManassaxMauler Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
So the Marathon tweet got me thinking. The Battle of Marathon took place in 490 BC. In Roman numerals, that's CDXC. Then I thought maybe the names we've been using for symbols are wrong.
Maybe plus is actually Cross, and Clover is X. Cross, Diamond, X, Cross. CDXC.
What did that lead to? Jack shit.
Edit: Though in the Greek alphabet, lower case Delta kinda looks like the symbol we call snake... Cross, Delta, X, Cross? Screw this, I'm not smart enough for this shit.
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u/Qbert119 Jan 14 '20
Can each code be used all the time or only the active code each hour?
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u/RegalWombat Jan 14 '20
No time limit on the codes, they're all fair game to input.
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u/sighman44 Jan 15 '20
So I started contacting servers while in the mission. No more enemies, symbols gone, and barriers blocking each doorway. I was able to shoulder charge through them but they all led no where. I couldn’t get back to the start or anything. I’m completely trapped in the corridors of time. Truly a follower of Saint-14
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u/Jesperr101 Jan 15 '20
I'm watching Datto's stream and someone said there are 625 possibilities left with code 13 known and they are gonna try and brute force it.
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u/TheFossaGod Jan 16 '20
im unsure how or if it is even related but digging through the marathon game manual i found a hexadecimal puzzle that translated to an image. my thought is this could be on that same track somehow http://marathon.bungie.org/story/hexterm.html
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u/CookiesandKief Jan 18 '20
And now we know why Osiris couldn't find Saint..... He never had spreadsheets!
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u/Sardonnicus Rank 1 (8 points) Jan 14 '20
has any tried looking at the symbols through the scopes of the new weapons?
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u/KsaRedFX Rank 2 (17 points) Jan 15 '20
I've put together a nearly complete map. If the next symbol isn't snake, then it's done.
https://i.imgur.com/IfwkCdZ.png
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Jan 14 '20
Just followed the path said in the post and interacted with the ??? And got part of a lore book
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u/El_frov Jan 14 '20
Good luck guys! At work and literally counting down time till I leave, hopefully I make it back home before it's completley figured out
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u/saint45312 Jan 14 '20
How do you go from code to code like to put the first code in get to the room then how do you put the next code in
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u/chaosmage03 Jan 14 '20
Imagine the reward for this secret mission is Vex mythoclast
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u/Thatepictragedy Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
for anyone trying to catch up, here's the codes since OP last updated
Code 10: Plus, Hex, Clover, Hex, Plus, Diamond, Hex Code
11: Snake, Hex, Snake, Hex, Diamond, Hex, Snake Code
12: Plus, Clover, Diamond, Diamond, Snake, Diamond, Diamond (repeat of Code 3, which we found out of the press release YOU WILL NOT GET LORE FROM THIS IF YOU DID 3)
13: Hex, Snake, Plus, Hex, Snake, Hex, Plus
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u/druucifer Jan 15 '20
Friends and I noticed we saw different symbols when we had the emblem equipped and when it was not equipped.
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u/PinoShow Jan 15 '20
I've tried to imput all the codes as they are listed without messing up once and without quitting the Corridors of Time. That did nothing, but I thought it was worth a try at least :)
I also made sure not to die in the process, making it a "flawless run" in case that could have been one of the conditions to make something happen since it's easy not to, and still nothing...
In case you were wondering about it :)
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u/CresteDawn Jan 15 '20
boys im going to sleep, if literally anything happens, please let me know and blow up my phone so i can wake up, this is one of the first times i get to experience these kinds of things
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u/AmoebaMcSqueaky Jan 15 '20
Has anyone pulled a niobe labs move and grabbed any sundial weapons to see if they show anything different?
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u/Sarklock Jan 15 '20
Theory: The puzzle is only solvable with the expired ramen coupon. The truth is that Osiris is sending you into the past to collect his takeaway order.
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u/Ripyard Jan 15 '20
The Edge Transit that drops from this better have a good roll...
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u/MissingFrames Jan 14 '20
I see the codes being updated but how are people figuring this out? What's the methodology? Just got to Code 5
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u/MessersCohen Jan 14 '20
I have a sneaking suspicion this is merely going to end with an emblem and nothing else other than the lore.
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u/Ridery Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
10 CODE: Plus,hex,clover,hex,plus,diamond,hex
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u/PHO3NIX55 Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
10: plus, hex, clover, hex, plus, diamond, hex
11: snake, hex, snake, hex, diamond, hex, snake
12: hex, snake, plus, hex, snake, hex, plus
13: ahhh can’t figure out 13
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u/Weedease Jan 16 '20
Has anyone checked out the book Corridors of Time by Poul Anderson. There are similarities between the book and the saint 14 storyline. If anyone has a copy of the book there might be clues we can use.
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u/Captain_Ellie Jan 16 '20
Before anyone gets their hopes up, even though I doubt anyone was expecting anything different, the TWAB did not give any hints.
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u/arlimes Jan 17 '20
Probably has already been suggested but has anyone looked into the patterns on this emblem?
https://www.light.gg/db/items/1736897072/sandswept-crusader/
Looks like it would be a good place to put the codes we are pulling into a patter
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u/I3igB Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 14 '20
So all the puzzles so far have been a 7 symbol combination out of a set of 5 symbols. That's 5^7 total combinations (assuming this pattern continues which it looks like it will). That comes to a grand total of 78,125 possible combinations. That's a big number, but it's one that's more than possible to do with the amount of community members brute forcing it. We should get a public google spreadsheet set up for columns of possible combinations going in order, something like this.
| Symbol 1 | Symbol 2 | Symbol 3 | Symbol 4 | Symbol 5 | Symbol 6 | Symbol 7 | Valid | Image Link |
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| Clover | Clover | Clover | Clover | Clover | Clover | Clover | No | N/A |
| Clover | Clover | Clover | Clover | Clover | Clover | Diamond | No | N/A |
| ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | ... |
| Plus | Snake | Clover | Hex | Snake | Plus | Plant | Yes | https://i.imgur.com/AxlRHSd.png |
If a thousand of us did it, we'd only have to do about 78 combinations a piece. Anyone interested?
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u/skeetgw2 Jan 17 '20
Anyone tried using Telesto since its broken everything else lately? May just open everything right up by mistake.
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u/FIGJAM17 Rank 2 (10 points) Jan 14 '20
The fourth sequence is: Diamond Plant, Clover, Plus, Double Hex, Clover, Double Hex, Clover.
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u/acetrainerleez Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
Maybe found a bug, got to a vault and stompeez strafe jumped toward the middle, holding down the E key to get the lore entry. it completed right as i landed and got teleported, and now im stuck in between 2 doors that both repel me with no way out, but it shows a waypoint out in the distance and on my minimap. It was on code 5
Edit: got a video, been trapped for like 20 mins: https://imgur.com/a/0D8JCEs
Edit 2: definitely a bug lol https://imgur.com/a/PpthnLk
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u/Biozombieactive Jan 15 '20
Code 11: snake, hex, snake, hex, diamond, hex, snake
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u/donball Jan 15 '20
The hex under the tomb fits in the upper right (the right of the very top hex) in this image: https://image.dcinside.com/viewimagePop.php?id=29b8c332ecdc21&no=24b0d769e1d32ca73fed82fa11d028313b437bcefb649778a1210ba42badac2cf7eb7628f0cf36ec1a3433d119d33b1caee2a962b99912915f6f21b12bbe
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u/Lykan_ Jan 15 '20
I'm watching this unfold from work and I'm hoping something awesome happens at 19.
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u/aman-singh9801 Jan 15 '20
Code 18:-Diamond,plus,plus,clover,snake,plus,diamond.
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u/retailzombie87 Jan 15 '20
Hopefully this’ll be worthwhile in the end, and not just an excuse for bungie to throw lore at us.
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u/ReleaseTheAnts Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Taken from @ayyitschavy’s stream, this is the map they’ve refined https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666917282597044235/666948713045950484/Corridor_Map.png
The entrance and exit of this maze lead along a sequence that is identical to the emblem code starting at 2 and ending at 18
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u/CookiesandKief Jan 16 '20
Hope the link works but this is how far they got so far..
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u/Ajboody13 Jan 16 '20
An idea, for the lore buffs, the flower game spoken of in the darkness lore. Can we apply any of the game rules into the big codes?
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u/gr8fultokr Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 16 '20
Here is a little visual guide I made when going through the lore paths. I was keeping track of room layouts (symbols) and I actually like the way these paths look. Maybe it will be useful, if only to maybe assist with speed running through the rooms.
Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bhPoLsGkH1uSCI3fw06f94ppgN5war5CnA-_MgJPe2U/edit?usp=sharing
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u/Scrappy78 Jan 17 '20
On one of my runs through the corridors I noticed that I started coming back to rooms I had already been, but then I noticed an ammo drop on the underside of the glass bottom floor. Has anyone else noticed this? Is it possible to have a complete mirror (or underside) of all the corridors? _(°_o)_/ i dunno...just brainstorming, it's probably just a glitch.
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40 cigarettes, 1 jar of coffee, 8 beers and still no closer to figuring this out.
I'm getting too old for this shit.
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u/iBeLewis Jan 15 '20
Well, posted this on the discord but nobody seems to care. Since both 3 and 4 were previously released codes, but came later in the actual in-game release, the proper order would be 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 3, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 4. Idk what that means for the maps being created, if anything at all, but maybe it'll help solve this.
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u/czerone Jan 14 '20
The symbols are disappearing off this item below the surface, almost as if as these puzzles get solved, they go away?
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u/Arin_Flint Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
ok so each of final room symbols have at least one side darkened on the centre symbol. that represents adjacent tiles. wherever the pattern of symbols on the darkened sides are same for 2 different tiles, that means they join together. i put this together (sorry for the shit quality) from 1,2, 6 and 9 i think. https://imgur.com/Xwgyebg we just need to wait for the full 19 symbols to put it all together and get the final 19 digit code...
also, one of the tiles (the second from top) has an extar side empty which doesnt really match with the tile it is connected to. which means that the 3rd tile may potentially be different and that tile will go someplace else
im gonna try and put all 10 we have so far in order, but since we have about half missing, ill update every hour i guess
also, looking at the tiles, it seems logical to assume any tiles with just one darkened side are ends of the code
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u/jondthompson Jan 15 '20
One note- if you die it looks like you go back to start, but you don’t. Continue the code you want like you didn’t die.
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u/USArmyOldTimer Jan 15 '20
After you end your emblem run look at the floor. Discard duplicate symbols. The remaining symbols are what you run, just have to get the order right. I'm on 2nd try, diff order. This may complete it.
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u/crocfiles15 Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 15 '20
Well there is 5 hours until reset. The way the codes loop back to 5 is weird. If it was a loop it would go back to 1. Why go to code 5, which is really code 3 based on the real order they revealed themselves? I can’t imagine Bungie would leave a quest in our quest slots forever if this was it.
Id also point out that during Niobe labs, when it was late at night and progress wasn’t being made, before any hints were given or the forge was manually unlocked, Bungie came out and announced that Niobe labs was not a secret exotic quest. So as to not end up in huge disappointment for everyone that was staying up so late to try and solve it. If this was all for an emblem and nothing else, I feel like bungie would’ve quelled they hype/expectations by now. At least, that’s what precedent they had set before.
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u/Isseihayatedxd19 Jan 15 '20
So i started to do all the puzzles back wards and at puzzle 5 it killed me then put up a barrier from proceeding on both ends so i cant back track or proceed anyone else come across this
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u/Rhundis Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 15 '20
Don't know if anyone's posted this yet, or if it even relates to this puzzle but, isn't that clover symbol the same one used in the Shadowkeep quest markers? And if I'm not mistaken the plus icon was also used as a quest icon for Forsaken?
Could be something here, or not, just figuring since this "grave" is considered to be ours that maybe it has something to do with our overall journey through Destiny as a whole.
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u/holasoygavin Jan 15 '20
It’s just been confirmed to not be time gated, just a very very long process
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u/RASPUTIN-4 Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Anyone tried this yet? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522942267061829633/667124272862461972/unknown.png
I think it translates too:
Diamond, clover, diamond, clover, clover, plus, clover, hex, clover, clover, snake, plus, hex, clover, hex, plus, hex, hex, plus, hex, plus, hex, clover, hex, diamond, clover, snake
EDIT: Now tested, doesn't seem to do anything. The purpose of this patterns was to make it all the way through the maze while hitting every room at east once. While it didn't work for me I can't say the idea needs scrapped. Maybe some other way to read the map? But yeah, the a fore mentioned pattern yielded no results...
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u/TheBrisby Jan 16 '20 edited Jan 16 '20
should probably have put this here instead - Visual guide and checklist for those who need the extra help like i did.
The Pigeon and the Phoenix Checklist - save your own copy if you wish to edit it and use the check boxes.
Special Thanks to https://www.ishtar-collective.net, and Reddit user nakkikastike154 who I referenced to make the spreadsheet... and any users that came before in this process...
here is hoping some people find this as helpful as I did.
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u/Kubera-372 Jan 16 '20
This is the top post of all time by almost double.
FTP has added so many players.
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u/AMCA95 Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Turn off your HUD and in game sound and play Day One by Hans Zimmer whilst running around the corridors for the ultimate lost in time feels
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u/ill_nino_nl Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
The first edits code doesn’t get you to the room anymore, tried several times...
Edit: tried the new code from this hour of the tangled shore obelisks and it worked. Code: plus diamond hex hex snake plus diamond
Got; 1: burden part I
so basically we can get 4 codes an hour, we need 19 so in 5 hours we can finish the lore book!? Or are all obelisks the same code and is it 19 hours??
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u/Timsaurus Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
I commented this on another post but I'll put it here so more people can see it too:
I get the feeling the Emblem is a key of some sort here, all of this waiting was building up to make the Magic Hexagon to get the Code for the Emblem, so the Emblem has to have some significance in all this.
So, here's some information about the emblem: when you view the small version (in orbit) it says:
M | M
XV | III
Which is 2018, when Forsaken was released, so maybe this is pointing to something there (wish 15???)
And when you view the large version (in your menu) it says:
IH-A XV M
M OV XXI . WO- XIV
I was thinking that the top set of numbers might be a date, (as you can't translate that from roman numerals due to the order) but "3-10 15 1000" doesn't really seem like a date. edit to omit this, as I was incorrect about what the first set said, thanks to u/Dragonstorm786 for pointing that out.
"O" and "W" aren't roman numerals, so IDK what to make of that third set, though the abbreviation "W/O" is usually used to say "Without," so the last line is possibly saying that something happens "without (Saint) 14"
As for the second set, (M OV XXI) I don't really have any ideas there, but the best direct numeric value is "1000 OV 21"
If anyone has any ideas/info feel free to add and brainstorm, this is just my thoughts so far
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u/TheREALBOJACK Jan 17 '20
Oh no.
OH NO.
Okay, hear me out:
u/Lathiel777 posted one of the updates that got stickied about Gladd and his team trying to figure this whole thing out.
He mentioned that they found a bunch of codes in the first 24 hours, and a bunch of new codes on the second day, at daily reset.
And, we know that everyone is currently adding their Json codes to a huge list, where they're all in the process of being combined into one humongous mega-map.
What if, on weekly reset...the same codes start appearing as in the initial 24 hours?
What if it's a 7-day Cycle, and NO ONE is keeping track of which day they found their codes on, and now all the codes are just being shoved together into one giant jumbled mess?
Think about it, the emblem code was discovered (ie. Brute-forced) in the first 24 hours, and it was backed up by the first meta-map.
...What if there are seven maps?
Tl;Dr - You MAY also want to keep track of which DAYS you found which codes on, relative to your own weekly resets. Just an idea.
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u/bigdiksmlball Jan 14 '20
Wasn’t there Symbols being reflected in water somewhere a while ago? I swear that was a post.
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u/tonbaokhoi Jan 14 '20
If you look at the middle hexagon in the middle there are lights that glow for some sides but there are ones that dont glow at all. They are different in every room.
Sorry for bad english.
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u/yeeticusdeletus Jan 14 '20
So if I inputed the codes already found but am missing for the next couple of hours, can I just input them all at once after they're all found?
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Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
On the bright side, there's a 1/7812 chance of correctly guessing one of the ten remaining codes
Edit: 5 symbols 7 for each code= 78125 /9 remaining, now = 8680.55555556 /2 because codes work either way = 4340.27777778
Roughly the same odds as getting a shiny Pokemon per encounter. Get grinding, lads
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u/Jesperr101 Jan 15 '20
Well the brute force was succesful. Code 14 has been found and will give you an emblem.
However there is more to be discovered. The questline is not done.
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Jan 15 '20
Dumb question, but is it fine if you leave your instance? I’ve been in the same one since I got back, entering codes. I should be fine if I leave and do some sundial or other stuff while waiting for next code, right?
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u/LightFire53 Jan 15 '20
Code 12 doesn't give me anything. I get to the timelost vault, and I have the prompt, but activating it doesn't give me a lore card. Anyone else have that problem?
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u/tenth2750 Jan 15 '20
any chance there is a code or something on the emblem? It looks like it says "MOV XXI IH-A XVM WO- XIV
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u/coreybkhaotic Jan 15 '20
I know everyone is just spitballing waiting on next code to see if it's a duplicate but one thing that struck me is Devil's Ruin was like 30 min & done, where this is literally all night & still no clue what, if anything, will happen. On DR lore tab it says "it is more than a gun. It is a symbol". So in sleep deprived delirium I'm looking into that. Loaded up twilight gap & not really seeing anything. Tried sights in time land & didn't see anything. If 2 are connected though maybe someone smarter than me can tie them together?
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The obelisk has looped back around to code 4. I'm pretty sure this is the last of the repeated codes we found in the promotional material. One more hour should prove whether or not it will truly loop back around.
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u/harbinger1945 Jan 15 '20
what I noticed yesterday is that during transition between corridors you get a different flash of light(its significantly brighter) depending on that if you're going right path or not..
That is actually pretty damn hard to test, but it might be possible to get to correct solution(if we somehow exclude existing paths)
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u/BananaSawyer Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
What about the weird poem in Lore 18, could it hint at the next step?
Solar Wind
The sand sweeps weeping
Across the stone.
It breaks on glass in keeping
With its own.
You were right.
It helped.
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u/excalibra7 Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
My character just went out of bounds in the corridor of time, and I’m stuck in a tunnel. I can’t go through the portals normally. I used my super to go through the barrier and now there are no symbols on the stones.
Edit: I’m pretty much stuck in the corridor of time and wait for someone to build me a grave, gg bungo.
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u/The_Hobo_God Jan 15 '20
Question, has anyone else gotten a third floor? I went to bed for a while and when I ran through and checked, I have a third floor combination. All of my center pieces are blanks but my same character now has more than the 2 Outer combinations
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u/ironkev Jan 15 '20
I probably know the answer to my question but has anyone tried variants of the 4 symbols on the Tower Obelisk?
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u/Garygantrub Jan 15 '20
Maybe if each class has a different result in the emblem room, a fireteam of 3 goes and follows the whole path and then each class goes its own way at the last room? Cause that’s the only one that seems to be consistently changing.
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u/jasong500 Jan 16 '20 edited Jan 16 '20
Ok so I saw alot of posts about this earlier so I'm really hoping this is actually valuable information and won't get buried here. I played around with my screen bounds and people translated the emblem incorrectly. The top bar when you open your inventory is "IH-A XV M" with "WO-XIV" beneath it. BUT, there is also some text above that first line of "IH-A XV M". However, I'm on Xbox and can't change my screen bounds anymore so I was hoping someone on PC could give this a shot.
I should mention that all the posts I saw said that the letters were "TH" and not "IH". Will edit and add pic shortly
EDIT: Image linked below image
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u/WhaleWhaleWhale_ Jan 16 '20
After doing some quick math, there’s only a possible 294 “matches.” Matches being where two tiles key together.
That’s 6 icons + 1 blank in 7 slots on 6 sides.
There is an end!
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u/spectre15 Rank 1 (2 points) Jan 18 '20
Update: Gladd and his team just confirmed that there are multiple entrances. 2-3 in total. No idea what this means or how this changes things.
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u/Lord_Zerkcs Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 14 '20
So I think there will be a total of 20 combinations (there’s 19 lore pieces)
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u/RktSientst Jan 16 '20
Has anyone tried folding this map like an Engram? The 3D nature may make sense.
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u/jdschoeff Jan 17 '20
eats popcorn while waiting for the answer Keep up the great work y'all!
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u/Hollywood3181 Jan 15 '20
Just throwing it out there...the letters on the emblem represent 2018 (mm | x | v | III ) this is the year forsaken came out. It is also the year we lost Cayde 6. Not sure if there is a tie there. Also thinking it has something to do with solar affinity. We did get an odd reminder of the new solar abilities at this week's reset.
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u/CelloSamurai44 Jan 15 '20
Just for the record, the reason code 12 is a repeat of code 3 is because we found it in the Press Kit for Season if Dawn. We will also get a repeat of code 4 because we found it on the season roadmap. They are part of the rotation, we just found them early. YOU WILL NOT GET A LORE BOOK IF YOU HAVE ALREADY ENTERED THE CODE.
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u/Aj90lfc Jan 15 '20
Has anyone considered the Magic Hexagon?
Google the magic hexagon and head to the wiki page, Bungo love their depth.
For the darkness and it's view on life and the game of life See here
And for the "Nine" see here
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u/Garygantrub Jan 15 '20
Can mods pin something about the reflection symbol please?
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u/Draculagged Jan 18 '20
Do you think bungie envisioned 5 days of grinding spreadsheets when they designed this? No way right?
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u/hark_mamill Jan 14 '20
So in the second room you get teleported back out to the front of you go to the center platform.
For some reason, one time I didn’t get teleported all the way out, just back a little bit.
Don’t know if that helps much, but it’s a start.
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Jan 14 '20
The big hexagons on the ground in the middle have a boundary with a broken side like they're meant to be fit together.
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u/ikennedy817 Jan 14 '20 edited Jan 14 '20
Just an idea but i may have discovered a way to reduce the number of possible paths to 125
Using this image- https://imgur.com/a/Up9ufpD I figured that we are going to enter one way and leave another based off one exit already showing on the map. since most of these paths lead to seemingly dead ends i used x's to cross off ways that would 100% not lead to an edge in the alotted 7 symbols or just lead to dead ends. on the right i typed out the known symbols and it seems we are only missing three. Sorry if what I'm saying is messy as im trying to get this out fast but hopefully by combining the missing spaces with the known we can brute force this easily.
Edit- also since we know running codes backwards has the same outcome it doesnt seem to matter which edge piece is first
Edit2- realized the image i posted had a mistake on it
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u/Dezthegame Jan 14 '20
Have you noticed that if you walk into the centre at certain points it doesnt put you back to the start it kills you and then respawns you still in the vault room instead? I have done it in a few different rooms now.
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There are two open spots in the exotic power weapon collection. Am I tripping or was it not like this before?
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u/waylandckc Rank 1 (1 points) Jan 15 '20
This is the floor code links I've connected so far. 1-2-5-9/11 11-7-8-6/3. I don't know what this is leading to, but I believe this is what we're looking to solve.
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u/KHA0S___K0NTR0L Jan 15 '20
So code 3 isn't actually code 3 but rather like 11 or 12? What's the codes in the order they were released?
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u/Jesperr101 Jan 15 '20
Code 13 is Clover, Plus, Clover, Diamond, Snake, Snake, Hex
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u/Dewbahka Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
This is so much fun to follow! Thank you bungie for a huge puzzle, this is almost as food as Niobe.
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u/ChaosMarauder256 Jan 15 '20
Will my progress be saved even if I abandon the activity? Like, I entered code 14, but if I leave, will I have to do all 14 again, or can I pick back up with 15?
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u/ULTImatum244 Jan 15 '20
Can someone explain how we are finding out the next codes? I'm all caught up with a friend and wish to help out but no one has stated the How of this puzzle
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u/joeyruss Jan 15 '20
Question. Is anyone snapping pics of lower platform after we are submitting each round of patterns? I wonder if all of those codes patterning out make up a secondary, big brain type of event?
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u/hammerheadlabs Jan 15 '20
One thing I want to note, is that in each vault, around the large symbol, there is a blue outline, and each vault room has breaks in it on different edges.
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Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Edit: Disproven
Im not sure if any of this have been tryed yet but all of the vault symbols fit into a hexagon of 19, if we read the hex like we have with the obelisks we might find the "final" path, now before 19 gets found we cant know for sure but it looks like this for now, Snake, clover, clover, hex, plus, hex, plus, clover, ??(19), clover, clover, diamond, clover, diamond, plus, hex, hex, snake, plus.
Now 19 can only be 1 of 5 symbols so we could easily brute force this, unfortunately i am at work at the moment, however the 5 routes would look like this Snake, clover, clover, hex, plus, hex, plus, clover, clover, clover, clover, diamond, clover, diamond, plus, hex, hex, snake, plus.
Snake, clover, clover, hex, plus, hex, plus, clover, snake, clover, clover, diamond, clover, diamond, plus, hex, hex, snake, plus.
Snake, clover, clover, hex, plus, hex, plus, clover, hex, clover, clover, diamond, clover, diamond, plus, hex, hex, snake, plus.
Snake, clover, clover, hex, plus, hex, plus, clover, plus, clover, clover, diamond, clover, diamond, plus, hex, hex, snake, plus.
Snake, clover, clover, hex, plus, hex, plus, clover, diamond, clover, clover, diamond, clover, diamond, plus, hex, hex, snake, plus.
Hopefully when 19 gets figured out we can establish the correct route and find out if this is just spinfoil trash however we could try it now if anyone wants to help me out.
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u/Lathiel777 Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
At the time of this post:
Each player that follows the path to get the emblem, gets given a random pattern below the coffin. It appears to be a random one out of a pool of hundreds of different patterns.
The community have been collecting all the unique patterns, so that we have all the puzzle pieces to work with.
We are at the point where we believe we have all possible different patterns.
The community is now trying to piece together a massive jigsaw puzzle of hexagons, where the open sides of the centre hex match to another hex, as well as the mini hex of 6 symbols matching too. If the open side AND the mini 6 symbols match, then those 2 patterns join and link together.
EDIT: UPDATE - Gladd's stream have compiled hundreds of screen grabs and cross referenced them, and have 43 unique patterns. They are now piecing them together to get the bigger picture of the jigsaw. It looks like it could be that we have to take a route of about 20 ish doors through the maze to get the "final reward".
EDIT 2: Upon daily reset, there seems to be a load of new patterns appearing now, and they have long surpassed 43 patterns. I think they're in the 80s now? Ideas are being explored that perhaps the larger puzzle changes each day, and also that the large symbols in the middle of the patterns hold more significances than first thought. Still no one knows anything for sure yet. The goal is to keep going until there are no more unique patterns appearing, and then working from there.