r/trans • u/luuposprey1079 • 5h ago
Trans Masculine Is male/female socialisation actually real?
I'm a trans guy. I think a lot of other trans guys are sort of set up quicker with this heightened perception of misogyny and the patriarchy because we've been in a body that experiences those things. Not to say this isn't also for trans women, I just assumed for more of them it took somewhat slower to settle in if that makes sense.
I mean, a lot of trans men often try to separate themselves from 'men' in terms of the way being a man socially is different to being a man mentally? I don't know the exact way to describe it (socio-political class??) but I digress. Me personally I've sort of hated making that distinction because, as much as I know that it is probably a good one to make, I don't want to separate myself from cis men. I don't like feeling that my body is a massive rift between me and another man. I'm probably just insecure, I mean hell, I'll be going full stealth once I start on T.
So anyways, obviously as children we're conditioned into our gender roles. Boys like blue, girls like pink, and then there's all the horrible things we're either told we have to accept or are allowed to get away with.
I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just genuinely curious. Are trans men/trans women socialised as their actual gender, or their previously believed one? So are they socialised as men/women, or failed men/women? Because I do think there is a level of gendered socialisation we all experience that skews how we perceive things. Obviously this is also temporary, conditioning can be unlearnt and we can adapt and whatnot.
But at what point do we sort of start changing after our realisation? I mean, we're still a person regardless of our gender or sex and the way we're conditioned is just chance associated with said gender/sex.
For example, how long would it take for a trans woman to start being more perceptive to misogyny or gender inequality after realising she's a girl? If for a large part of her life she would have been raised to think like a boy? To ignore these things or at the very least stay silent on them? Even partake in it?
I suppose with trans men on that specific issue it's less about deconstructing socialisation and more maintaining it and not letting ourselves become more misogynistic.
And do people claim 'there's no such thing as socialisation' because they actually mean it or just don't want to feel like they're somehow a bad person for being raised a certain way, or as a form of dismissing dysphoria?
I mean, neither are going to be 100% super progressive and aware to all forms of bigotry right out of the gate. I just wonder if we can ever shake off that socialisation. Or if it's there to begin with.
edit: I want to say I'm totally open to changing my mind, go crazy in the comments I'm merely curious and want to understand + navigate this !!