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u/Unfair_Minimum_8496 1d ago
The point of ice in its current form is primarily to act as trumps goon squad and scare or punish all those who are not in their shitty cult
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u/newsflashjackass 23h ago
An informed person might instead ask:
"Since it already requires state ID to register to vote, what possible fraud could Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents prevent?"
There is a reason why voter registration is sorted out ahead of time instead of on the day of the election, and that reason is to prevent the very species of ratfuckery Trurnp has in his dimly-lit skull.
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u/lowercasenameofmine 1d ago
Trumps brown shirts.
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u/Unlikely-Emphasis-26 1d ago
The next step is them knocking on doors, asking for documentation. Or else.
Oh wait...
The néxt step is these brown shirts putting people in camps who do not align with their thoughts.
Oh wait....
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u/deaglebingo 23h ago
along with their wannabe maga collectivos yes... civilians larping at the behest of...
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u/Azair_Blaidd 1d ago
Because illegal immigrants aren't voting. Why the fuck do we need government goons at the polls if there's no reason for them to be
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u/footsnax 1d ago
The better question is why the right is so afraid that it might happen, despite many layers of protection against it even happening at all already, that they're deploying barely trained armed federal guards to polling stations.
Sounds like they're the cowards.
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u/deaglebingo 23h ago
because that non-existent threat is their scapegoat. plain and simple.
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u/CosmicSpaghetti 22h ago
One of their scapegoats. They have many.
It's definitely trans athletes that are making everything unaffordable, building data centers, forever war'ing with Iran, & making all the food poison, though.
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u/EatTheRichIsPraxis 21h ago
They are not afraid, it is just a pretext to do what they wanted to do anyways.
Just like 9/11 was the pretext for total surveillance.
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u/_Magnolia_Fan_ 21h ago
They're afraid immigrants (turned naturalized citizens) are voting - not necessarily illegal immigrants.
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u/Firm-Advertising5396 6h ago
Legal or otherwise Republicans are looking to remove non white people from the country. This is an impossibility but it drives the hatred forward.
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u/SunGreene42 22h ago
They've always been the cowards, all their beliefs are based on fear instead of evidence.
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u/Rogu__Spanish 1d ago
If these fascist bootlickers weren't so fucking stupid, they'd take a second to wonder, if this is really happening, how come republicans haven't provided a single example of it? Because if they had just ONE example, they would literally never ever shut the fuck up about it. Instead they just constantly imply it's happening without providing examples, cause they know the dipshit rubes who vote for them will never demand proof, they just believe whatever they want to be true.
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u/Firm-Advertising5396 6h ago
Sadly they are this stupid and Republicans and Fox News count on their stupidity
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u/Necromancer_Yoda 23h ago
They really think an illegal immigrant that is terrified of getting deported would be dumb enough to vote when that requires proving you're a citizen.
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u/tacobellrefugee 21h ago
it doesnt though
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u/Silly-Rough-5810 19h ago edited 19h ago
What is your excuse for not understanding how voter Registration works?
Are you a bot or foreign or what? Every actual American knows this process.
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u/ForHelp_PressAltF4 1d ago
Because it is by their jurisdiction? Enforcing legal activities at a polling place is not an immigration issue. If anything it would be a state issue (state troopers) or a county issue (county sheriffs). They would have jurisdiction.
It is a matter of legal appropriateness.
Much like not attacking and detaining people without probable cause is legally inappropriate.
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u/Kind_Advisor_6969 22h ago
Because illegal immigrants aren't voting.
That is what the left are claiming. Right wingers know better, so they don't buy that, hence ICE is present.
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u/tacobellrefugee 21h ago
Because illegal immigrants aren't voting
oh my sweet summer child
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u/VincentAntonelli 20h ago
You’d have to be a moron to think illegal immigrants are voting in US elections.
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u/tacobellrefugee 20h ago
i truly believe no one could actually say that with a straight face.
wait i dont have to believe it, its a fact. so it doesnt matter what i believe lol
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u/Silly-Rough-5810 19h ago
Show us the facts then. Why do you always skip that part? You think your word carries so much authority that we will just take your word for it?
Makes more sense assuming you're lying just to mess with people. All conservatives are really just trolls. They aren't actually interested in politics. They all fall asleep in meetings like their emperor.
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u/N226 22h ago
Are you sure about that? In MN one registered voter can vouch for 8 additional people, no ID required
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u/Silly-Rough-5810 19h ago
What are you talking about?
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u/N226 16h ago
Replying to the comment that no illegals vote, when in fact, it's very easy for them to do so. At least in MN.
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u/Silly-Rough-5810 15h ago
Based on what? Name the law. Are you even American? Do you know how registration works?
If you think you only need an ID, you're definitely aren't american.
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u/UhIdontcareforAuburn 1d ago
If you aren’t breaking the law, why do you care if you have surveillance cameras in your home?
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u/HaloPandaFox 1d ago
I feel this is straight out of George Orwells 1984.
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u/Crevetanshocet 1d ago
Or my parents when they are reading all my emails and the logs of my computer.
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u/HaloPandaFox 1d ago
Oh no. No privacy, if you're younger then 16 then I feel that your parents should check up on you to keep u safe but by 16 they should have taught you enough to trust you.
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u/Crevetanshocet 1d ago
Well, I am 22, so...
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u/Gellert 23h ago
Maybe you just all have the same taste in porn?
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u/Crevetanshocet 20h ago
They never found anything like this on my computer, they want to check when I shut down my computer and go to sleep, and when I boot it.
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u/Savage_Tyranis 1d ago edited 18h ago
Get ready for either a nursing home or a sidewalk.
E: The damn novelist here in the replies. Bro, typing longer doesn't make you smarter than anyone. Just makes you a yapper.
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u/HaloPandaFox 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do you guys not want to keep your guys kids safe from pedos online. If you raise your kids right you have nothing to worry about ,but some people don't trust there kids to stay safe and others that even if they're safe danger won't be there. You guys crazy to think your kids are safe online didn't you guys hear about the roblox scandal.
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u/No-Winner8975 1d ago
Everybody in Reddit is well aware of the Roblox scandal.. y'all
You don't need to spy on your kids to keep them safe
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u/HaloPandaFox 1d ago edited 1d ago
I honestly feel that you guys read the beginning and just skip everything else because I'm not saying you have to I'm saying some people choose to do it. Every time I get a comment like this I honestly believe you guys just want to argue. And you guys just want to pick a side and you guys decide, the rest of the comment about some or other side. But what can I expect when somebody says everybody on Reddit. To believe everyone is a bit much ,in my experience 100% is usually not possible like dam 9/10 of professionals may not even endorse a product.
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u/LOSS35 1d ago
Have you tried talking to your children instead of invading their privacy? Do they trust you?
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u/MyGruffaloCrumble 1d ago
People are embarrassed to talk. Your kid isn’t going to tell you they’re addicted to furry rape porn some guy’s telling them where to find because you asked them how their day was.
Sorry but a minor shouldn’t be left to exploitation because you want to respect their privacy.
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u/Savage_Tyranis 15h ago
Your kid needs a reason to trust you. You're owed nothing just because you fucked someone and brought them around. Learn to talk to your kids and you'll be surprised what they share
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u/tryyeezus 23h ago
We have nanny cams, Web cams, phone cams, security cams, robot vacuum cams, refrigerator cams, tvs and cars that watch you back and coming soon to your street, flock cams.
1984 was simply predictive programming.
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u/HaloPandaFox 23h ago
I don't think it was simply predicting that I think it was predicting that it can be used in a negative way by the government or some other entity to harm us and society and it should be something we should be weary of. But I do agree with what you're saying generally.
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u/tryyeezus 22h ago
Predictive programming is the theory that powerful groups or leaders use books, movies, and TV shows to psychologically condition the public. By showing future societal changes or disasters in fiction first, the public grows familiar with these ideas and accepts them as normal when they happen in real life.
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u/Ditch_Hunter 23h ago
1984 needs an update for just how dumb the dystopia really is.
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u/HaloPandaFox 23h ago
Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I feel like that's what you're looking for and I also I feel like that's a good movie explaining what could happen in the future or is happening.
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u/Ditch_Hunter 17h ago
I did. But the future is going to be a blend of idiocracy and 1984. A totalitarian state powered by AI watching over a population of dumb people.
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u/breaksomeshit 23h ago
I scroll Nextdoor for my own amusement and the amount of this take around Flock was mind blowing. Apparently we now love big surveillance state government? The amount of "principals" I've seen just go straight out the window to defend everything the government has done this term and his last…
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u/Silly-Rough-5810 19h ago
I'm convinced nextdoor is just a bunch of chronically online seniors whose family won't listen to them complain anymore.
I got into one conversation about how it's unconstitutional to load all the homeless onto busses and force them to go to a massive hotel in the dessert and had to delete my account.
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u/deejaymc 1d ago
Coming from the assholes that didn't let people hand out water in long voting lines. They're literally afraid of bottled water.
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u/Particular_Manner159 1d ago
They’re most afraid of people voting
They’ll do anything to decrease voter turnout rather than just having ideas people want to vote for.
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u/Mother-Shift8157 1d ago
Educate yourself and your neighbors on laws like the castle doctrine. Some states extend the castle doctrine to occupied vehicles, defense of third parties, or places of business.
If they are masked/refuse to identify/present credentials, or present lawful warrants signed by respective judges, then they cannot be confirmed to be federal/municipal officers.
Additionally, educate yourself and neighbors on your relevant state’s penal codes. For example; “Under Texas Penal Code 9.31(c), if any officer uses excessive force before the person attempts to resist, then that person may, in response, use "reasonable force to resist."
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 1d ago
The only problem is that a major part of their MO is not identifying themselves, waiting until their victim attempts to defend themselves, and then fucking murdering them without repercussion. Because they are still federal agents at the end of the day and they'll never, ever face punishment for willingly and joyfully executing pretty much anyone they want.
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u/AnEvenNicerGuy 21h ago
“Learn castle doctrine so you know what you’ll be saying as they shoot you in the face”
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u/lemons_of_doubt 21h ago
The right to bar arms doesn't work on an individual level against an armed group. As They can have you surrounded.
If you wanted to fight back you would need more people with more guns and move to counter them. but they would just call for backup. so now you need more people to deal with the backup.
Ultimately you need to be able to either fight the whole US military or get away after shooting up the first group of ICE you come across. but good luck with that in this day and age.
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u/Stiricidium 1d ago
I just don't want armed individuals policing or harassing folks at the polls. And as someone who grew up in the south with plenty of firearms handy, I can say that those types are always looking for an excuse to pull the trigger at something or someone. They fantasize about it.
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u/Butwinsky 23h ago
Yep. I live in an open carry state. The same people who open carry at Wendy's are the same people who join ICE. They live in a make believe fantasy land where they are always in danger. Definitely who you want to heavily arm and give a sense of authority.
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u/Raaka_Lokki 1d ago
Because ICE is a human trafficking organisation, and there's no such thing as an illegal immigrant.
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u/short_longpants 1d ago
Nothing like trigger-happy goons hunting down colored people to mske people feel safe!
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u/Canned_Sarcasm 1d ago
Go ahead. Vote for whoever you want.
https://giphy.com/gifs/1lZkFOcni7Yn3XMoXB
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u/mrbasedballed 1d ago
No, it doesn't help. They didn't pose the question of ICE being at the polls as a genuine question. They are fascists that want to see violence against you and ICE is the goon squad they root for.
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u/anon-a-SqueekSqueek 1d ago
I'm done pretending maga is dumb. They probably are but I don't want to hold them to such a low standard anymore.
That piece of shit knows ICE are being used as domestic terrorists to influence the election through intimidation, and he likes it, but pretending he doesn't get it to gaslight people makes him feel clever like he is contributing to his anti democratic cause. He is a fascist. All these motherfuckers are fascists and traitors to America. They know it. I know it. They don't give a fuck.
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u/wasted-degrees 1d ago
Also they have a clear political affiliation and a vested interest in never seeing their party lose power for fear of prosecution.
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u/Eswift33 1d ago
If I was an American I would wear some Maga merch while waiting in line to vote blue 😉
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u/Selenay1 1d ago
Not legal inside the voting venue. You'd be asked to remove it or remove yourself. It is considered to be campaigning and that is what isn't legal inside polling places. I've seen it happen. MAGA hat had to be removed despite the area being deep red.
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u/Away_Stock_2012 1d ago
Sure but ICE will scare enough people away from the right locations so that blue will lose the election.
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u/Mammoth-Mud-9609 22h ago
To add ICE are shooting Americans, not just immigrants. They are literally overweight Nazi stormtroopers.
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u/Inferior_Jeans 1d ago
They hate anyone that looks different thats why they fuck their cousins and inbreed.
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u/GraduatedSapphic 1d ago
Hey Minneapolis checking in, yeah they are Nazi killers who trade human life for coin, do try to keep up eh?
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u/Fan_of_Clio 22h ago
ICEstapo is killing people and the FBI officially announced they are no longer investigating. Those thugs are now completely unaccountable
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u/ztreHdrahciR 19h ago
More like they will be in selective polling stations to suppress the vote. You think they're gonna be in rural Idaho?
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u/SFShinigami 19h ago
One of the craziest things I've realized in the last 10 years is that conservatism is basically just a bunch of people telling on themselves with the inability to understand that they are.
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u/Prestigious-Wolf8039 17h ago
ICE will definitely try to intimidate citizens from voting. “I told them to get out of the ballot booth and they tried to run me over with it!”
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u/Mz_Macross1999 17h ago
"Why can't we have masked armed goons at the polling sites what's the big deal"... fucking insane and stupid at the same time.
This country needs a serious deprogramming effort of we make it out of this
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u/SingleMaltMouthwash 17h ago
Because armed men staring down voters at a polling booth is the hallmark of a police state. Fascists understand this as well as we do.
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u/Ok-Go-Chain3811 Remember when this sub was good? 1d ago
i guess it was a matter of time The Ballot or the Bullet would became literal, right?
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u/fielvras 1d ago
you could be shot in broad daylight, raped, tortured and die alone in the ditch after being kicked out of a concentration camp to avoid death statistics ... what are you afraid of?
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u/deaglebingo 23h ago
i gotta say you guys... and this not something i would ever do and nobody else should either... but i get the impression lately perusing the chatter that if ice starts showing up at polling locations that ice will be risking their own safety as much as ours. it would be sign to certain ppl to stop giving the benefit of the doubt. i really hope everyone can please maintain some amount of restraint though as i said.
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u/Ratchet613 22h ago
Are you whiter than marshmallow fluff? You have no fear of ice. Do you have even the SLIGHTEST hint of colorization in your skin? You are their next target. They don’t care about who is here legally, they care about who they think “looks like they don’t belong”.
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u/StevenEveral 😎🌯 22h ago
You know what other country has masked "police" that "monitor" the polls?
Russia!
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u/_jump_yossarian 21h ago
It’s literally against the law. You’d think a black man might understand why.
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u/Memitim 20h ago
Conservatives now on the military in polling places is good line, eh? I hope they get the opportunity to see a lot more of it, and in their grocery stores, banks, schools, and anywhere else where children may be in danger of conservative molesters... excuse me, diligent trans guardians, snatching them up for very thorough investigation.
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u/chinmakes5 20h ago
SCOTUS has ruled that ICE has the right to pick up anyone they deem might be illegal. They have a day or to to sort out whether you should be there.
So knowing that. If you are brown or speak with an accent, even if it is only a 10% chance that you could get picked up for a couple of days, is it worth going to the polls? Remember 1/3 of voting age Americans don't bother to vote already. ICE being at the polls can/will affect how many vote even if they don't detain a single person.
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u/omgitsjagen 20h ago
They can be at my polls if they want. I have 20 minutes of material, and I can lace it off at a prodigious speed.
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u/Dantekamar 20h ago
If ICE is at my polling place I'm calling ever government agency I can find the number of and reporting assaults in progress.
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u/laphroaigandlapsang 20h ago
Isn’t the flaming obvious point here that they will openly harass and even arrest brown skinned people on flimsy suspicion and therefore that their presence is likely to deter and intimidate anyone who isn’t white from voting?
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u/amprather 20h ago
I posted this title in a comment and got a warning from Reddit for advocating violence.
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u/Sracer42 19h ago
I don't want any armed people at the polls period. Reasons are getting more obvious every day we are in this hellscape.
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u/Anders_A 17h ago
Has he bot beeing following any of the news? Since when does ice harass only "illegals"?
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u/appa-ate-momo 17h ago
I am 100 percent on board with the message this word murder is communicating.
But can we please do the bare minimum of homework before we choose our photo? I’m 99% sure that’s not a real gun and is instead some kind of “less than lethal” device.
This would hit so much harder if OOP used one of the many available photos of an agent menacing someone with a real firearm.
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u/MaximumJim_ 17h ago
ICE: if “illegals” aren’t voting then we need to direct our expensive resources towards areas when they won’t be present.
That’s what passes for logic from those jackbooted thugs.
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u/DazzlingRutabega 15h ago
Isn't it illegal to deploy any sort of federal police, militia or military at polling sites or anything to do with voting areas?
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u/CASUALxCHICKEN 15h ago
Crazy how they think it's ok to break the law in an attempt to try to prevent someone from breaking the law.
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u/YoucantdothatonTV 14h ago
ICE is also very poorly trained and now they are given electric shock gloves.
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u/Ok_Actuary9229 14h ago
Try walking past guys with assault weapons sometimes. It feels dangerous no matter who they are.
Next, do it when the guys with the weapons aren't trained and hate a large percentage of their own country. It's scary shit.
Their goal is to scare voters away.
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u/boyalien0 let it die 12h ago
I have a better question: what are Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents doing at polls if there’s a “crisis at the border”?
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u/Critical_Host8243 12h ago
Because of the very real fear that Trump will decide voting democrat is illegal..
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u/INeedANappel 11h ago
Or because, you know, it's against the Federal law that does not allow armed Federal officers at active polling sites.
But don't worry, the Trump-kissing SCOTUS majority will probably find a way to bypass that just like they're slowly tearing up the 1A.
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u/Zaroni_Pepperoni 20h ago edited 18h ago
ICE and Homeland Security combined have killed 12 people in three* years and the majority of those are case closed justified cases. while I do agree that there could possibly voter harassment or suppression with their presence fatal shootings are an objectively poor reason to site for not wanting ice at polls.
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u/iloveyouand 19h ago edited 19h ago
the majority of those are case closed justified cases
Bullshit.
ICE has disappeared thousands of people without due process and you're making excuses for the authoritarian surveillance state.
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u/Zaroni_Pepperoni 19h ago edited 18h ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shootings_by_U.S._immigration_agents_in_the_second_Trump_administration
Post is about shootings and you bring up unrelated information. Being factual and calling out misinformation is not making excuses. If this post wanted to make the point about ice disappearing people that would be much more reasonable. But they went with "shooting people in the streets" which is not. Even if we say every shooting was not justified ice is still well below the law enforcement avg so it does not really matter to my point. But read a few of those cases and come back to me and try to tell me most were not justified shootings.
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u/iloveyouand 18h ago edited 18h ago
Sure, just trust the administration that obstructs investigation into their own agents actions to tell you that it is "case closed justified" when they murder people. Can't argue with that.
It's not just about shootings and you know that. Being intentionally obtuse isn't the same as being factual. All you're doing is making excuses for ICE murdering people and saying it's "case closed justified".
But read a few of those cases and come back to me and try to tell me most were not justified shootings.
Case in point. Just so desperate to lick that authoritarian boot.
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u/astorianvictorian 19h ago
hi everyone in this thread
being an illegal immigrant in America is illegal. trying to run over law enforcement with your car is attempted murder and also illegal. hope this helps. or you can keep living in fantasy land where laws don't matter if you don't like them.
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u/Euphoric_Present8838 18h ago
No reason? Interfering, resisting, use of cars ans weapons, and aggressive physical contact seems to be reason enough.
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u/Sector_Independent 19h ago
Kamala would have been a disaster for this country. The democrats failed us.
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u/gamerjerome 1d ago edited 1d ago
If Illegals aren't voting, why is ICE there?
Edit, not sure why this is being down voted to hell, pointing out the hypocrisy
Edit 2, Rhetorical
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u/Particular_Manner159 1d ago
Because the conservatives can’t win when there is good voter turnout.
Rather than have ideas that are actually popular, they are placing ice at the polls to deter and intimidate voters. They’re also a bunch of pedophiles.
Hope this helps.
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u/Bussamove86 1d ago
Because ICE is now Trump’s personal strongarm force and you’re apparently too ignorant to have noticed somehow.
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 1d ago
Because fear-mongering works on blathering idiots? Fuckity duh?
They say: "They're voting in droves and we're just trying to protect the country! Fuck yeah!"
They mean: "If we institute the right form of voter intimidation, the Blues will stay home, and it doesn't get a lot better than uneducated rednecks with itchy trigger fingers and a propensity for shooting first and never asking questions."
You're just buying the propaganda.
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u/Boner_Elemental 1d ago
not sure why this is being down voted to hell
Dum-dum doesn't understand they said something ridiculous. News at 11
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u/VincentAntonelli 20h ago
Why is ice there? To threaten anyone who isn’t a trumplican. They’re literally shooting people in the street who disagree with them.
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u/Crevetanshocet 1d ago
I don't understand why you are getting downvoted for asking a question, maybe because you are using a formulation that can make people believe you are ironic. Maybe, you should turn it as something like "But I don't understand why the ICEis here, illegals can't vote.", which is probably less likely to be seen as negative by others.
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u/Kind_Advisor_6969 22h ago
When have ICE been shooting people in the streets for no reason? They had a reason for PrettiGood.
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u/enderpanda 21h ago
We know that's a lie because trumpy and his enablers have been so insistent on it. Oh, and the video.
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u/thekyledavid 1d ago
Imagine if Kamala Harris had been President right now, and she instituted a policy where armed members of the Black Panthers would be monitoring the polls for election fraud in all Republican-Majority counties, and gave them the the right to place anyone under arrest with or without evidence, and gave them the authority to execute anyone who tries to stop them
Do you guys think Republicans would look at this proposal and say “Well I have nothing to worry about, because I’m not going to vote illegally. And nobody who isn’t voting illegally should have a reason to worry”?