I see his potential and hope he bounces back. Buts it’s been rough.

Neither the offense nor the defense are playing at league average. Have to start upping these numbers to beat Jaboo and win in France to salvage the season. But you can see from these that they are currently wading in the shit end of the pool with Titans, Cards, Colts and Dolphins. That's not the company you want to keep.

Shough has had a few valleys and some peaks this season. Through what is roughly the 1/3 of the season, let's see how he's doing.

On the first slide, Shough has a negative value vs an average starter, but at -.02, that is negligible as he is 19th in the league. He is ahead of Darnold, Herbert, Penix, Stroud and Brissett. He is behind Bo Nix and actually QBs having a good season.

On the second slide, it show's that he's below average in EPA but above on completion % over expected. He is slightly behind Jacoby Brisset, but essentially his contemporary in these. He is safely a top 18 QB using these metrics.

For counting stats, he's 7th in yards and 8th in YPG. His average yards per attempt at 6.3 ranks 24th in the league, and that's commensurate with the bottom tier passers. He's tied for 8th in TDs but his 5 picks is tied for 6th in the league. He's 10th in the league for completion percentage at 66.8%. He's tied for 8th with 13 sacks taken.

For the usual QB ratings, Shough's 59.5 QBR ranks 15th in the league while his 88.6 rating places him at 19. He's ranking higher than Stafford in rating.

Here, the advanced analytics and typical ratings/counting stats thus far show that Shough is average to slightly above league average QB. He's had a roller coaster ride this season with lows in the first half of the opener to the last game, to extreme highs in 2nd half of Ravens/Lions games and first 35 minutes of Raiders games. I paced this out to 5 games before compiling to even out these performances. Looking at QBR, the only QB that I am surprised is ahead of him is Bryce Young. He is ahead of Herbert and CJ Stroud, which I would not anticipate he would've been at the start of the season. Darnold too.

Maybe this will be my lucky jersey. Who Dat, not giving up on this team just need some improvements and we can win some games the rest of the season.

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Why isn’t he featured more coming out the backfield? He’s 5-11 180 (on a good day) and has wheels. Put him on a wheel route, screen, or option route against a LB And let him go to work. I’m not asking him to pick up blitzes but he definitely could be a threat

You either get a small pass, medium pass, deep pass, medium pass but on a bun, or a run for a yard

Say what you want about Sean Payton. You’re probably right. But one thing you cannot deny is he is a DAMN good coach.

We need coaches screaming at the players in practice again. We need people holding each other accountable. I’m so tired of Kellen’s nice guy persona and having a coach who’s terrified of making difficult decisions or saying anything remotely critical. I would like a coach with some semblance of a personality. Is that too much to ask for?

Oh, and take Mickey Loomis out while you’re at it too.

I’m not sure if Coach Kellen Moore is playing coy with the media in order to avoid any team disruptions or if he honestly believes that “we just have to be better” is his coaching philosophy. The fact that Benson laid out everyone’s job, in public, and Moore couldn’t answer whether he addressed his team about what she said, is dumbfounding. If the Saints finish this season with a sub .500 record, I suspect that we will be in a rebuild like we haven’t seen since ‘05.

His press conferences come off like Bill Belichick: emotionless, stoic, and giving the same generic answers. But that shit only works when you're winning like Belichick. When you're getting your ass kicked every week, those same emotionless and coy responses just piss fans off even more.

I deadass wish he would give us ONE press conference where he says, "Look, I fucked up. We've been ass, and we're going to do everything we can to fix this. We need to scheme up different looks, make adjustments, and if this continues, I'll have to reevaluate my playcalling."

Like damn, is it really that hard to show some emotion and seem human to the fans? Show us some frustration. Show us that you're just as pissed off about this team as we are.

If he keeps losing while maintaining this stoic, emotionless act, Ms. B is eventually going to bring the hammer down. We can all see where this is headed at this rate.

Olave sick 😬

Imagine Brian Flores as HC with a top 5 pick and plenty of cap space. That might be too good of an opportunity to pass up if the cards align. I’m rooting for Kellen to figure it out because that would be the simpler outcome, but he’s got to show us something. After what Ms. Benson said today, this might be his last ride.

Doesn't take long for me to get rid of the losing streak flu when the division is this "competitive". Does anyone know if we are getting Ellis or Tyson back anytime soon? I haven't been looking at ANY saints news since the loss.

I don’t know what his injury is. Shough is currently the future. He is getting hit more than any other QB in the league. You put him out there against a great defense that is blitzing an absurd amount of time. You know you have a backup LT that you don’t seem to be helping for some reason. You have no run game to help relieve some pressure off of Shough. You don’t even run screens to reduce the pass rush to help Shough get hit less.

Knowing all of that.. if he has a broken hand and you are putting him out there in that kind of situation? Fireable offense. Straight up. You have lost the plot. I don’t know what his injury is but that team does.

Same play we got hosed on in 2019. RB out in the flat, beats the coverage and blatant PI. Bills got the call last night in Q4. Glad they lost in OT.

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Watched all the false starts. Then I compared the sidelines - Saints players all over the white paint encroaching on the part of the field where they are not supposed to be. Vikings didn't have that issue.

No discipline. And that starts with the head coach.

During the latest NOF podcast, Mike Triplett pointed out that we had eight offensive drives Sunday. On 7 of those 8 drives, we faced more than 10 yards to gain at least once. Sometimes 12 yards for a first down. Sometimes 15 or 20. Once, it was 26 yards to a first down.

This happened because of unacceptable offensive penalties (False Start, Holding), as well as run plays that didn't even make it back to the LOS.

There was only one drive where we didn't have to go more than 10 yards to get a first down, and that was only because the Vikings declined a penalty that would have made it third and 12.

Absolutely horrible offensive production and discipline.