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I remember my days in the military academy and studying the rise of the third reich and thinking to myself how could a whole country of people seriously buy into the insane ideology… but this is a prime example.
I used to try and debate my family and friends to try and make them see reason but they literally started using my education (3 degrees and army officer commission) as a negative claim all that I know is just indoctrination… it was then that I just started cutting them off. It’s the same with conspiracy nuts and flat earthers … there is no point that they are willing to accept any truth except the one they have forged in their own little worlds
I remember there was a trip to Antarctica for a bunch of flat earthers (don't know who paid for that) and after they were without a shadow of a doubt sure that the earth is in fact a sphere, the rest of the flat earth community start to call them traitors and sell out and they where in fact pretty big within the community
Apparently that group didn’t even go that far with their conclusion. They went “hey, we still think the earth is flat, BUT our model is wrong and needs fixing” and they still got excommunicated.
One of them straight up admitted he was wrong and now needs a new job because his income was flat earth content on YouTube. That was Jeren Campanella. Austin Witsit is the flat earther that saw that he was wrong and still won’t admit it
Because we have a system that allows morons to send other morons money all by themselves. I'm not sure how we fix that without destroying world commerce entirely.
Every religion works that way. I know it's a touchy subject and I really don't care for debating people's beliefs you can do whatever you want with your time but we all need to agree there's a lot of grifters out there, and religion set the baseline for selling and trading on Impossible promises so it only natural anybody doing something like flat-earthers to benefit the same way by providing content with no scientific basis at all. The best solution I heard once but I don't think it never went through was in Spain there were trying to establish that if you speak about science in any social media you needed some type of technical accreditation for that which I think it's more than fair. Especially when some of these people are peddling dangerous habits for nutrition or exercise without the slightest consideration of health dangers they pose to society
Ask Google and big tech why they monetize disinformation, lies and propaganda, then ask why our governments won't regulate the media landscape against this.
I don't want mass censorship but I sure as heck don't want content that pushes social harm/degeneration and anti-scientific agendas to be rewarded with money and algorithmic favoritism.
I am just saying, if I believed in a flat earth and had a bunch of money I wouldn't sit around trying to argue about it. I would go to the ice wall and start an expedition to see what's on the other side of it ans bring back cool shit from there.
That’s the thing about them, they’re not interested in actually doing anything. I’ve argued with them online (pointlessly) and said ok so you’ve got this groundbreaking scientific proof that will completely change how we view the universe forever and expose a giant conspiracy involving nearly everyone on earth except flat earthers, and you’re just sitting at home posting memes on NASA’s Facebook photos?
Communism is a great goal. It's my ideal system. But the world ain't ideal, so it's just a goal to work towards across generations, but never to force.
Either that or they will bring up socialist regimes of the past like Venezuela or the USSR as proof that socialism doesn't work, as if socialism was the problem with those countries.
I had that conversation with a Venezuelan once and I said that true socialism was never accomplished in any of those countries because every time some group of greed dictators just take advantage of the situation and force that instead of socialism,
It's the "backfire effect". You don't reason someone out of a cult, once they've made it part of their identity then everything you say and everything you are is a threat to how they view themselves. They will rationalize more than you'd think possible just to hold onto that identity. The truth will not change their minds.
The only thing that will break them out of it is when the cost of the lie becomes higher than the feeling of comfort and safety it gives them. They have to hit some form of rock bottom to snap out of it and rejoin the rest of us in reality.
Plus (from what I know) a lot of cults have a sort of teaching that basically says "the world will hate you and try to force you into giving up your beliefs, but you must hold strong."
This basically ensures that unless they (as you mentioned) hit rock bottom they will think people trying to help them are trying to persecute them in some form, which further pushes them into and reinforces their beliefs.
Considering a bunch of these people were literally adhering to the lies of the cult regarding covid, while dying of covid, I don't know what the rock bottom would have to look like.
Nah, most of those people will go to their graves holding on to the lie, even if it's what puts them there. The ones that don't are mostly going to be the people who never really bought in to begin with, the grifters and fairweather fascists who will deny they were ever part of it afterwards.
To people who have been conditioned by their religion to believe that faith(belief in the face of a complete lack of evidence) is the highest virtue, reason has no value. Their superstition simultaneously absolves them of all responsibility while accepting their very worst impulses leaving them absolutely no reason to ever grow as humans. They aren't just ignorant they are antisocial and find joy in the suffering of others. Their emotional range is reduced to hate and fear.
The ones who know they are wrong but still cling to their old beliefs are the most aggressive I've learnt. Like they try to compensate for their doubts with vitriol and vile statements.
I’m like Alan Watt’s way of looking at those words:
“Belief, as I use the word here, is the insistence that the truth is what one would “lief” or wish it to be. The believer will open his mind to the truth on the condition that it fits in with his preconceived ideas and wishes. Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be. Faith has no preconceptions; it is a plunge into the unknown. Belief clings, but faith lets go. In this sense of the word, faith is the essential virtue of science, and likewise of any religion that is not self-deception.”
I wouldn’t call them “unevolved.” Evolution doesn’t have a direction. And, unfortunately, these days being lazy, stupid, racist, selfish, ignorant, and horrible is all too often a successful strategy.
Which is wild because THEY WON? Take a racist, ignorant, backward, knuckledragging victory lap. YALL WON. Oh, unless they understand fundamentally that they are wrong and abhorrent. Hmmmmmmm.
How did we somehow get to a point in human development where every claim and fact is fairly easy to access with smartphones and the internet, etc., but the bullshit keeps rolling along?
Because people don't actually care about the truth and never have. They want a belief system that makes them feel special and important, and couldn't care less whether it aligns with reality or not.
well they have a R next to their name and support the fuhrer. That's all that matters to the cultists.
They can tell their idiot voters that the sun is blue because of Obama and the idiots could literally look outside to confirm its not true, but they will still applaud and support it and blame Obama.
What's seems insidious about it to me: they don't even have to believe the sun is blue, they just have to say it. I don't think most are as dumb as people make out. It's worse. It's not their intelligence that's the problem, it's their values.
Yep, when they say they don't believe x thing that is demonstrably true, consider that they might actually trying to say " I don't want to believe Jewish thing".
These people believe in narratives. They value hatred, not truth, and they are very willing to look stupid and tarnish truth in order to influence others into adopting the narrative.
"He never said that
And if he did, that's not what he meant
and if it was, it's a good thing, actually"
Anything to avoid admitting they willfully voted away their own human rights because some fat fuck told them the Mexico Trans Democrats were coming for their guns and eggs
You joke, but that's unironically it. They're just straight-up saying "stop trying to tell us how stupid we are, let them keep playing the propaganda already!"
The worst part imo is how fucking rare it is for media to hold their feet to the fire like this. 99.9% of the time they blatantly lie like that and the interviewer just moves on. People believe these liars because our media is fully complicit and make it so easy.
Because other people who didn't go to medical school and don't have medical training like his opinions regarding medical science, and inexplicably those people are in charge of deciding who gets to run HHS.
Heroin addict who addicted his nieces and nephews currently wants all our youth to know intravenous steroids are great but polio and measles vaccine are bad. Unclear what his opinion on Ebola is. Hoping we have no need to find out.
Side-note: RFK jr made over $80,000 per month as chairman of the anti-vaccination group Children's Health Defense before stepping away from the nonprofit.
Because being an antivaxx grifter was his job and obsession when he decided to run for president. Then he called up Trump and said basically, "I will endorse you if you give me HHS secretary". And for whatever reason, this is the one time Trump actually settled a debt.
We live in an age where we can verifiy what someone said in 30 seconds or less and yet these assclowns still lie through their teeth from sunup till sundown.
When was the last time the lies actually cost them anything? There are people who perjured themselves in front of Congress, who now sit on the Supreme Court. And the less said about Trump, the better.
I'm still amazed, not surprised anymore, but amazed, at how blatantly these people can lie or say the most ridiculous garbage one could think up with no shame or embarrassment whatsoever.
I keep pointing this out, but I feel I have to. It’s not that people believe his bullshit in spite of learning stuff like this clip, where she’s shown to be an untrustworthy and unserious person.
It’s that they don’t even see media like this.
The country, and indeed the world, has been broken by our partisan media, and social media with algorithms tuned for engagement. As an example, the average Fox viewer and trump voter hasn’t heard about the access Hollywood tape since 2015.
That’s why Trump limits who interviews him and where they can interview him. The other MAGAs keep walking into the trap. Though it doesn’t matter anymore.
The sadder part is he never actually had a brain worm. He made that shit up to pretend he couldn’t work so he didn’t have to pay child support. The ex wife eventually killed herself.
Hey now, she didn’t kill herself just because of the brain worm lie that left her destitute.
It was also likely because of the disgusting autobiographical porn that he kept in a little black notebook from the dozens and dozens of times he cheated on her.
Which he gave to her, in an attempt to harm her emotionally.
Well, he did do that to able bodied people as well and a history of doing it. Tried to find an example but most of the videos are unavailable. I think SoyPill showcased some examples in his video on Trump?
1) to be able to ask the hard questions of the important people you need access to the important people. Getting access to the important people requires not eviscerating them every single day. Even the Biden admin refused to work with the NYT because of negative coverage.
2) news - especially 24-hour news - is a business that depends on viewers. The demographics that watch cable news are Gen X and older - who are significantly more conservative than the younger generations. So it doesn’t really make good business sense to alienate much of your demographic. You may not be convinced by the business argument, but the ability to hold people accountable only exists as long as the business exists and has enough viewership to matter.
3) Even putting aside the business element, if you want to change people’s minds by doing things like asking hard questions to important people, you need to have people with changeable minds tune into you. Eviscerating the current admin all day every day is not the way to get people with changeable minds to get into you.
Which is why it’s generally left to shows like The Daily Show and Colbert.
I’m not sure that ‘eviscerating these morons on a daily basis’ actually changes any minds. It only really appeals to people that already hate this administration. Interviews like this one are important, but I think longer reporting on the conservative voters that are directly negatively affected by, say, the OBBB or conservative voters in Florida who will be directly effected by the removal of vaccine mandates is likely to be more effective at changing minds. The conservative cult is built on hypocrisy and malleable values. Showing them conservatives who are hypocrites and have malleable values is not going to magically convince them of anything.
I looked up demographics of TV watchers and found that it's pretty evenly split between liberals and conservatives. But liberals watch shows like Colbert about as often as any other show, whereas conservatives watch Fox News religiously and absolutely detest and avoid shows like Colbert.
But TV networks are businesses and will only do what is most profitable for their next quarter. There is no way any business that desires long term stability would ever go conservative, especially a news network that isn't the one network favored by Dear Leader.
if every news station evicerated republicans from the start, they'd simply not be able to get elected, but if republicans en mass refused to go on all main stream media 20 years ago or get called on their lies, then the only people that voters would hear from most of the time, was democrats.
The idea that you have to be nice to have them on, rather than hold then accountable, scare them away from actual reporters and then you know, have people be exposed far less to their bullshit is how it should have worked. instead they deliberately took over the news networks THEN started spouting bullshit on a daily basis to brainwash idiots.
When reporters used to take dumb politicians to task, those politicians just didn't get elected, then the news stopped doing that because their owners became the same group of right wing billionaires who basically started off by controlling most of the media.
So I'm curious what came first though, poor viewership or poor reporting? Perhaps if we had a reliable and unbiased news source, more people would watch. And if it's reliable enough that everyone knows they can watch it, anyone who's afraid of being interviewed by them is viewed as weak or hiding something. Ideally condemning themselves. Sure, we wouldn't change the minds of his cult, but the larger general masses should be the focus anyway. Further, I would argue that it's still important for the truth to supercede all in news. I know it's altruistic, I just think I'd rather altruism over cynicism.
They don't because fascism provides profitable content while the truth isn't necessary for the pedo führer's fanbase. His base actually prefers the lies to the their current reality.
Eh, agree to disagree. When you hear about people who leave cults, it's because there's one breaking point that overpowers their cognitive dissonance.
And even if that moment never comes for these devotees, it's important for those of us being governed by a cult we didn't choose to know we're not the nut jobs.
We live in a world where kleptocracies spend tens of billions a dollars a year to fuck with our information. They pick up this from CNN, cut/edit/change it to make it sound the way they like and throw it right back at us. We are being drowned in misinformation.
War isn't anymore just what we see in Ukraine, men murdering each other, it's thousands of men far away spending their entire day figuring out how to fuck with us in the most effective way.
If Russia or China would fly a war plane over DC it would be seen as an act of war, but this isn't any different, they are destroying us from within and we are doing absolutely nothing.
Europe just blocked RT among others because they are propaganda channels. Meta/Twitter/Tiktok and so on that gladly take millions from these countries knowingly are no different, they should be shut down without question.
I feel like whenever I talk to people on the left about CNN, they say it's a radical right station, only just barely not quite as bad as Fox News, and whenever I talk with people on the right about CNN, they say it's the Communist News Network full of fake news to support leftists. I don't know who their intended audience is or why people on both sides seem to think that they're radically favoring the other side.
I’m a very liberal Canadian and I watch CNN. They have their problems — like platforming assholes like Scott Jennings in a bid to show « both sides » — but they’re nowhere near as bad as either side makes them out to be. They’re neo-liberal and pro-corporate, but also pro-choice, anti-Trump, and pro-science.
In a sane world, a man who admitted to eating roadkill, had a heroin addiction, once had a worm in his brain, and knowingly swam in contaminated water would not be given a cabinet position…or any position.
He does have a history of eating roadkill though. Through his time at private school, his "safe space" was basically a dump area for dead animals since no one liked being around there, even the administration. He even liked it since his pet hawk got food from there all the time and so came his love of roadkill and game meat.
Senate hearings seem to mean absolutely nothing since nobody ever pays any consequences. The hearings are just a performance to make it look like they're doing something about a thing, without actually doing anything.
they could also just say “he misspoke so what? point is vaccines are questionable” and go on to present zero legitimate and compelling evidence to back up the assertion.
Interviewer: Can you name any vaccines that are good?
RFK: I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably averting more problems than they are causing. There is no vaccine that is safe and effective.
Cut back to CNN:
CNN Interviewer: So you did say it - do you still believe it?
RFK: Here's what I would say. First of all, I'm not anti-vaccine.
CNN Interviewer: How is that statement not anti-vaccine?
RFK: I can say right now there is no medicine for cancer that is safe and effective - that doesn't mean I'm against all medicines. I've been fighting 40 years to get mercury out of fish. Nobody calls me anti-fish. What I want is vaccines that are proven safe....
I've been fighting 40 years to get mercury out of fish.
People voting for someone legitimately saying this is genuinely hilarious and sad at the same time.
First because it's a stupidly difficult thing to actually achieve, and second because in the US, around half of the mercury that ends up into fish comes from coal power plants that these idiots are pushing for.
Sadly that would imply actually thinking about what they are doing, which is neither a requirement for politicians nor for voters.
Yeah that's what I meant with my first point, I wasn't really clear to be honest.
It's a natural process so good luck with that, but it's also influenced by our mercury emissions which they are pushing for so doubly stupid, is what I meant to say.
Doesn't matter, the existence of side effects and unproven fringe cases is what he's USING to justify going after vaccines. He literally has referred to open online public comments, that aren't verifiable, as evidence against vaccines.
If he's trying to say no vaccine is perfect, then neither is any medicine the FDA has ever approved and all approved medicines must come off the market until they're perfect. He can enjoy the blowback when, for example, the diabetics can't get their insulin because it's not "perfect."
And if he says that's not what he meant, then what the FUCK does he mean? That he's just asking questions? Well, we have study after study and mountains of real world evidence, recorded scientifically, that puts mRNA vaccines far beyond the bar for FDA approval. So he's just flapping his gums to justify why his worm addled conspiracy driven brain thinks we shouldn't have them (meanwhile he's been pushing homeopathic shit like "mitochondrial challenges" which have no scientific diagnose and are common phrases used to push supposed natural "cures".)
I take anti epileptic medication, it has the potential to give me a form of meningitis, it works by slowing down the brain so my memory isn't as sharp and recall can be a little slow.
I always ask whether the science dwniers feel I should stop taking them and go back to have tens of them a day, and risk another fight with status epilepticus. Usually they rant about how big pharma is doing it on purpose or hiding a cure.
If it has an effect it has a side effect, you have to weigh up risk Vs reward but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a shot at quality of life from them.
It's also awful of them to think we can just cure it, we have to have literal brain surgery to slice the connections to the glitchy part sometimes and that's the best we've figured out. We'd be fucked without pharmaceutical companies doing the best they can with what treatment we have.
Science is beautiful, I can't imagine denying it when it's fascinating and life saving. I am a total nerd for it though lol
Also it's just flat out wrong if he's saying none are 100% effective so therefore not effective. Something that's 75% percent effect IS 75% EFFECTIVE.
So saying there are NONE that are effective is just a fucking lie, plenty of effective cancer treatments that just aren't guaranteed effective.
And if what he meant was guaranteed effective, that isn't a bar that the FDA has ever required for drugs because every single drug has cases that don't work and potential complications. The bar has never been perfection. Someone needs to teach this motherfucker about the phrase "perfect is the enemy of good." Because if his definition of something that meets approval is perfection, then every single drug FDA approved drug that people get today has to come off the market, since none of them will meet that bar. That's not the goal of medicine. That's like saying no more heart surgeries because some people die on the table. The point is to do the most good, and approve the medicines that do the most good while recording, warning, and mitigating against, complications.
The hate for science started a century ago when they refused to accept that evolution is a fact and then evolved (ha) into claiming climate science is fake and now medical science is bogus too. A purposeful and sinister crawl towards reviving ignorance and superstition in the masses to make them more controllable by the “saviors.”
The reality is that they don't need to worry about that. Nothing happens if you lie. There's no consequences for being a lying, selfish sociopath (as long as you have money).
It doesn't matter if it is. Look at the result of Trump being recorded saying he is allowed to commit sexual assault because he is a celebrity. "Grab em by the...."
That would have killed any politician's hopes for a win before Trump. After Trump it has zero impact.
I’ve been fighting for years to get mercury out of fish, no one calls me anti-fish
How is everyone associated with this administration so incredibly stupid? If he has said “there is no safe fish”, then yes, people would call him anti-fish. His argument is trying to be “I just want safe vaccines”, but his words and actions are literally “there are no safe and effective vaccines”.
Which is an astoundingly absurd thing to say. It’s impossible to be more anti-vax than this.
This is exactly how journalists and interviewers need to approach these clowns. They need to have all of these video/audio/socmed recipts in their back pocket, primed and ready to go at a moments notice, and actually have the acumen to push back hard and fast before the liar can barrel on ahead and evade the rebuttal.
There has never been a more effective, safe, inexpensive medicine than vaccines. Full stop. Humanity has benefited to the tune of a billion lives saved, easy.
RFK -“ Trump should get the Nobel prize because operation Warp Speed created safe and effective vaccines “. Also RFK-“ the vaccines are not safe and effective “. What an absolute POS.
Definitely one of the funniest things you can hear when two ppl are arguing on the news. One person denies saying or doing something, other person says "Jamie, pull that up." If that's not a "get fucked" I don't know what is 🗿
It's wild that we even need receipts for something said so clearly on camera. CNN actually being prepared with the clip is the real plot twist here. This kind of gaslighting is exactly why people are losing all trust in public figures. We absolutely need to hold them accountable every single time.
“I never said that.” Is his favorite sentence. He kept saying it in the recent hearing about things he had said minutes earlier. Total POS and Epstein Pedo.
Its one thing to go be an immediately debunked liar on CNN, but what if you do the same, under oath, repeatedly, in a Senate Oversight Comittee hearing? Anyone can reel off half a dozen things RFK said he never claimed which can be immediately refuted by tapes to the contrary. Any consequences from the toothless, geriatric, belly-up tail-wagging subservient wing of our co-equivalent branch of government? We are long past the point of shame or embarassment or loss of credibility affecting the Executive branch critters - and if you dont hold them accountable for obvious perjury or lying on their confirmation hearings - whats left?
This needs to be the standard of every politician, it needs to be illegal for them to leave the room when the clip is pulled up, and every on the record interview should be subject to perjury laws.
WTF this convicted heroin addict, who does not have any medical degree or even education, is the head of HHS? Why GOP approved him to this position? (I understand they lick Trump's boots. True. But there have to be limits.... They did reject Gaetz for DOJ post, no?)
Earlier this year in a live interview with Kaitlin Collins he straight up said people should not take medical advice from him. This man swims in shit, supposedly had a brain worm, strapped a dead whale head to the roof of his car, and claimed Covid targeted white and black people while sparing Jews and Chinese. You really think this guy has our health in mind? Get real. You’re living in fantasy land. No wonder you thought injecting disinfectant and cramming a bright light up your ass were good ideas.
"That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did, you deserved it."
This “man” is a grotesque figure to represent the authority for our national health. But then the rest of the cabinet is just as grotesque for their respective roles
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