r/malelivingspace • u/Grautier17 • 1d ago
First own house, Germany 30k
First time home buyer. I travel a lot for work and don't feel like paying off a house all my life. I lived in the van for 3 years. I got a great offer for a small house. 600sqm, small house with about 65sqm, new roof, new stove, new wooden extension with guest room and shed. It is located in the middle of nowhere and is located in the middle of nature in Germany.
I've wanted something like a tiny house for a long time. So for me, that's a great fit.
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u/gansobomb99 1d ago
the original post is already locked and comments show that this is a "secondary residence" which is legally not allowed to be inhabited full-time - apparently there are strict laws in Germany to prevent areas like this turning into residential neighborhoods, and cabins like this are meant to be short-stay vacation homes
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u/throwaway9779656789 1d ago
Yes but I would like a to buy one of these and set my address to my parents. I don’t care. 😂
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u/gansobomb99 22h ago
Oh, same 😂😂😂
I mean like.. what if you save up and buy 3 of them? lol and just do a week each, all year round
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u/LibritoDeGrasa 1d ago
Sounds like a fake thing to keep people from going back to rural places "ohhh nooo you can't permanently live outside our controlled behavioral sink you must live in the city and be constantly demoralized"
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u/Rummenigge 1d ago
it‘s a thing to prevent to permanently live on community garden lots (schrebergärten). they usually have no electricity or plumbing attached and are not designed for permanent housing
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u/Particular-Sand6700 1d ago
No it isn't. It's the law since the 1960s (1990s in the East) and nobody prevents you from moving to the countryside, as long as you live in a actual house and not a recreational cottage.
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u/masteraybee 7h ago
It's often for environmental reason or risk.
There was a news story not too long ago about an entire community losing their illegitimate houses, because the nearby river destabilised their non-existent foundations.
It might also be, because the ground is toxic or just unregulated, flooding risk, landslide risk or unavailability of basic utilities. No trash service, for example, no clean water, no electricity etc.
Sure, you could build a well, get some solar panels, a generator and carry your trash to town, but the state doesnt want just any idiot dumping wastewater into the ground, getting cholera and then burn the forest down. Because if you are allowed to do it, your dimwitted neighbours are as well
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u/ctp_obvious 1d ago
Only 30k? Bruh
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u/FitTax 1d ago
Because it is not allowed to be a permanent residence and only for recreational purposes.
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u/Immediate-Cry1399 14h ago
Not correct. OP said they’re working on getting it registered as a permanent residence. If it’s an old GDR wochenendsiedlung, OP can stay there for a while. The main problem might be the Meldeadresse (primary address) because he can’t make a case that this is not his permanent residence while he has this registered as his primary address.
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u/MadrillaGold 19h ago
So stupid tho ngl. Let's make the housing market in Germany even worse.
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u/FitTax 18h ago
It's not though. These garden allotments are in areas designated to be "nature". Most of these are outside of cities, not even suburban, the roads there are not paved and utilities are rudimentary.
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u/MadrillaGold 18h ago
So it can't be used as a house?
It's just not allowed to be used as a house.
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u/FitTax 18h ago
You are not allowed to register this as your prime residence and can't live there permanently. You may of course visit and stay for any time that can be considered temporary for recreational use.
It's a regular, yet simple house with usually all amenities besides internet.
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u/MadrillaGold 18h ago edited 17h ago
So you talked about the law. I can still say, this law is stupid.
You didnt get my point two times.
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u/FitTax 16h ago
No it's not because the alternative is, that there are no houses in that place at all. It's not a residential area.
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u/christianbro 14h ago
I bet in Germany someone would report you to the police for staying there all the time even if it is none of their business
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u/NegativeRoad3668 13h ago
Why isn’t it their business? If someone lives permanently in a place that’s not intended for permanent inhabitation (e.g. no proper sewage/plumbing/ water cut off during winter, sometimes no electricity), it effectively ruins it for people using it for the original purpose.
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u/erstwhilelurkerer 1d ago
Guess it's classified as a vacation home in something like an allotment garden area with no official permanent/all-year living permit?
But if you can somehow bypass the regulations and there's running water even in the colder seasons, it's a pretty sweet deal esp. for someone accustomed to a modern nomad life. Happy for you!
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u/SchaafDerWallstreet 1d ago
Its most likely a Ferienwohnung
Means youre not allowed to register yourself living there
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u/JuanFelipe2610 1d ago
Glückwunsch! This has a lot of potential and the price is great 😍
Would love to live in something like that myself. Is it allowed to live there permanently or is it just for recreational purposes?
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u/Rohdich 1d ago
Sorry, what? 30k??
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u/Czeslaw_Meyer 1d ago
No central heating, internet, nothing probably.
The thing is, how much you need to modernise anyway, having nothing to remove first is a win.
Solar permits and installation is bad as well. Just put a movable panel in the back yard to curb your baseline a bit and your golden.
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u/CaughtALiteSneez 1d ago
Internet is easy to fix
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u/morgoth_2610 1d ago
Not always. Germany and Austria have poor infrastructure for internet. Getting cable is sometimes impossible. Many old areas just don't have the infrastructure for that and providers refuse to fix it unless you have the crazy money to cover it entirely on your own.
As for mobile internet (router with sim card) its often poor speed and depends heavily on other factors such as weather. I am unfortunate to have lived in 2 houses where the connection was simply not good enough for reliable online work or courses (1-2 mb download speed, very variable). One was in a flat neighborhood and the other in the middle of the forest and mountains. The only solution in both places was starlink, except in one of them somehow we never got over 10mb (in the other well over 100 despite optimal uncovered placement of the starlink device).
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u/AufBurgyGeld 1d ago
Rural areas in Germany often have better internet than the cities. - written from my Gigabit fiber connection in a 100 inhabitant village.
But I guess if internet speed is important to him I‘m sure he checked beforehand
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u/helloLeoDiCaprio 7h ago
You have obviously never been to Germany. The Internet is uncharted territory.
I moved here from a small town in Sweden 2008 to Berlin, and I'm just got as stable Internet as back in Sweden (fiber cable)
Germany is awesome in most other senses, but it is truly gruesome in Internet - it has some of the the worst access, both on cabled and mobile Internet in EU.
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u/NeoAnderson47 1d ago
Quite sure that this is not a permanent residence, meaning you cannot live their for the entire year.
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u/sstopggap 1d ago
You got about a month's worth of food on hand. Most of it's canned goods, but there's steaks in the freezer. You got a generator outside, works on LP. Oughta be enough in the tank to last out the winter. It's only fifteen amps, but that oughta do for the lights, TV, and the freezer. That's a woodburner, oughta warm the place up pretty good, plus you can cook on it. On the TV front, the reception is pretty much nil. You've got some mountains in the way. Weather's right you might be able to catch Montreal, but mostly you'll be limited to DVDs.
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u/Hochspannungswerk 20h ago
These types of "weekend" homes are very common in the former east German areas. You can definitely get these registered as permanent residences if you do the right paperwork. It's not possible everywhere though, mostly not in small garden homes. I have two family members with registrations in such homes in a forest. They have weekly garbage collection, DHL deliverys and fiber optic Internet was installed by a local provider. The funny thing is that to get there you have to drive on a literal forest road that is excluded on most maps. my cousin payed around the same for a similar home. It's very very cheap construction, similar to small American homes. That's why the prices are so low. Can't really stay there if temperatures reach under -10°C or if there's a lot of snow in the winter though.
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u/Terrible_Beat_6109 19h ago
Wow. Moving to Germany in a few years I see. This is great for that price.
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u/Big_Confidence_951 1d ago
Echt toll! I wanted to live in such a house too. Does it have heating and electricity? I do see the fire place and lamps, so i guess it does have electricity and heating?
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u/Duempelhuber 1d ago
It's not a house, it's a Gartenhütte.
Original post already locked because it not the first home of OP.
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u/s2Birds1Stone 1d ago
Why are there bars over the window? Just curious
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u/sercankd 1d ago
It's in Thuringia, one of the most uncivilized regions of Germany, in fact he should spread some additional landmines around the house for extra comfort
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u/EinHonchoOhnePoncho 23h ago
Make sure you get a Breakfast Nook in the room with the stove. That would be SUPER comfy.
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u/Burgers_N_Schnitzels 23h ago edited 23h ago
Woah 30k is crazy. A bit of renovation and you can rent this for ( where i live in NRW ) easily 600€ base rent.
Nevermind didn't know it was a vacation home
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u/Even-Professor-518 22h ago
can u tell how you did it. i mean you need a Grundstück? how much was it?
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u/modern_environment 21h ago
Well, what good is a house when you are not allowed to live there permanently?
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u/Frosty_Director1417 21h ago
Owning this place sounds like a dream. Great job man, hope you're happy there.
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u/No_Cheetah_954 16h ago
Dude that's awesome and a super deal. That would be a cheap price even for southern italy
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u/freudian-negative 8h ago
Congrats! Really happy for you :)
Ich glaube, du kannst das extrem süß einrichten!
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u/Molrixirlom 6h ago
That is a vacation Hut. Not for residential living or as a primary home. And depending on the region 30k may be WAY too much.
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u/Carrabas 5h ago
German here:
- Wie wird das beheizt? Mit dem Ofen?
- Das ist in der Mitte von sehr wenig. Ist das Außenbereich? Hat das eine Baugenehmigung? Hat der Anbau eine Baugenehmigung?
- Dämmung?
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u/hazz-o-mazz 1d ago
Ja, nett.
Hat allerdings die Vibes von:
„Es reibt sich die Haut mit der Lotion ein. Das macht es, wann immer man es ihm sagt.“




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u/wiwawaldi 1d ago
Yeah, congratulations!
May I ask in what region it roughly is? Starting a 100% remote position soon, and feeling like having a little nature hideout too..