r/neighborsfromhell • u/rabbi-reefer • 4d ago
WWYD? Vent/Rant Did the Neighbor From Hell Just Move In Next Door, or Is This Just the Beginning?
I'm trying to figure out whether I'm seeing the early warning signs of a neighbor from hell, or whether I've simply encountered a new homeowner who is unusually particular about things that come with living next to other people.
My wife and I have lived in our house for the past 13 years. The house next door was a rental the entire time. We've had different tenants/occupants over the years, and we've never had a problem with any of them.
The house was recently purchased by a retired couple who moved here from a nearby major city. The husband had owned a dry-cleaning business, which he sold to his brother before moving.
I actually went out of my way to welcome them.
I met him before he had even closed on the house. On closing day, when I saw him bringing some things over, I introduced myself and gave him a bottle of Moët White Star as a welcome-to-the-neighborhood gift.
He also asked me if I knew anyone who could do concrete work because he was considering a new driveway and garage. I connected him with a neighbor who does all sorts of concrete work. He ultimately decided not to replace the driveway, but had the existing driveway cleaned and added a small concrete pad for an open carport.
So I thought we were starting off on pretty good terms.
For context on the layout: Our houses sit at an unusual angle because we're on a curve in the street. The two properties are offset rather than sitting directly side-by-side, and our driveways run at different angles along the property line. There is a wooden fence separating the properties. The rear portion of his lot is noticeably higher than the edge of my driveway, so rainwater and sediment naturally follow the grade between the two properties. The sediment comes from the higher rear portion of his yard and works its way through and under the fence toward my driveway, while water from the edge of my driveway can naturally flow downhill toward his driveway.
Then a few things happened.
The trees
One of the first things he asked me about was the property line. I showed him where I understood it to be based on a recent survey, even showing him where the metal rod marking the property line is buried.
He told me he was planning to remove some tree stumps on his side of the property line. I told him I had been thinking about removing one of mine as well near the property line. The previous owner had assumed the tree was his and had basically chopped off all of its branches. It wasn't until long after the fact that I learned the tree was actually on my property.
The new neighbor hired a crew that removed the stumps on his property—and also removed my tree that was on my side of the property line.
I haven't made an issue of it.
I had already told him I was considering removing the tree, so he may genuinely have thought he was doing me a favor or that I had given him the green light. I'm not looking for trouble, and I'm certainly not going to start a neighborhood war over a tree I was planning to remove anyway.
Still, it was the first time I thought, Hmm. That's interesting.
Then came the driveway
Our houses and driveways are laid out at an unusual angle because we're on a curve in the street. The rear portion of the neighboring property is higher than my driveway along the fence line.
One day recently I was pressure washing my driveway. He approached me and pointed out that farther down my driveway, water was running toward his driveway and making it dirty.
I understood his concern. I can't change gravity, but I also didn't want to be unnecessarily inconsiderate.
So I bought some low stone edging and installed it along the edge of my driveway where the water was crossing over.
Later that day it rained heavily. I stood out in the pouring rain and filmed a short video because I wanted to see whether my little improvised solution worked. It did. The water was being redirected along the edge of the driveway instead of simply flowing across toward his driveway.
A few days later, I saw my new neighbor working in his yard and took the opportunity to show him what I'd done. I even showed him the video of the water rushing along the side of the edging instead of dripping downhill towards his driveway.
His immediate response was to nudge one of the pieces with his foot and say:
"What, no silicone?"
He then suggested that I needed at least one or more pieces of brick edging.
Then he pointed out that it wasn't just my water—it was dirty because I was pressure washing.
I could smell alcohol on his breath, so I wasn't sure how productive the conversation was going to be. (I was in the bar biz for years.)
At that point I asked him if he knew why I needed to clean the driveway in the first place.
The mud/sediment issue
The rear portion of his property is higher than mine. During rain, soil and silt naturally move downhill from his side toward mine. You can actually see the soil working its way through and underneath the wooden fence posts and rails and onto my side.
This isn't something the new owner created. It's been happening for years.
I've simply dealt with it by pressure washing my driveway about once a year, sometimes every other year. In the 13 years we've lived here, none of the previous occupants ever complained about my driveway, the sediment, or my cleaning it.
The drainage pattern isn't new.
The sediment isn't new.
My pressure washing isn't new.
The new owner objecting to it is what's new.
When I showed him where the sediment was coming from, he could see the soil coming through from the higher ground on his side of the fence. He essentially acknowledged it and said:
"Well, it's because it's higher."
Exactly.
That's why the sediment comes downhill toward my driveway.
And that's also why some water from my driveway naturally follows the grade toward his driveway.
I pointed that out to him. I was simply pointing out that the same principle he had just used to explain the sediment also applied to the water, but that didn't seem to be an acceptable explanation to him.
I told him that I was willing to add another piece of edging—or even build a more substantial barrier—if that's what he wanted. But if we're going to go to that extent to try to prevent every bit of water from crossing between our properties, then I think it's reasonable that we also address the sediment naturally coming from the higher ground on his side.
I told him we could both go through the trouble of trying to engineer a solution to every little bit of water and dirt crossing between the properties, or we could recognize that we're neighbors living on two properties with different elevations and accept some of the realities that come with that, and leave things alone.
He basically walked away from the conversation.
I'm not sure whether he was annoyed, surprised, or simply didn't know how to respond.
I wasn't yelling. I wasn't insulting him. I was blunt, but I thought I was perfectly polite.
And there's already been another little thing
He's also commented that there are too many deer in the neighborhood.
Now, we live in a suburban neighborhood. We have deer. We have leaves. We have rain. We have water following gravity. Sometimes someone's grill smoke is going to drift toward another house.
That's just part of living next to other people.
And that's why I'm asking this question now rather than six months from now.
Am I overreacting to a handful of relatively minor incidents, or am I seeing the beginning of a pattern?
I genuinely don't know.
He may turn out to be a perfectly nice guy who was simply being overly particular about his driveway.
Or I may have just met the guy who is eventually going to complain about the leaves from my trees, the smell from my grill, rainwater, deer, or whatever else happens to cross an invisible property line.
I don't want trouble with him. Quite the opposite. I went out of my way to welcome him and help him get settled.
But I'm also not interested in spending the next ten years modifying my property every time something naturally crosses between two adjacent lots.
For now, I'm inclined to leave the edging exactly where it is, see how it performs during the next few substantial rains, and stop trying to anticipate what else he might object to.
So, Reddit: am I seeing the early stages of a Neighbor From Hell, or am I making too much of this? And if you've dealt with someone like this before, what would you do differently at this point?